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F-16 Falcon crashed in Nevada desert 6/28...6/30 Update: Pilot did not survive

 
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Boy I thought I had a suspicious mind, you guys bring up some interesting points.

I also find it interesting that this story did not surface until today.
I check all of Nevada's news sites daily and didn't see anything about this yesterday.
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Boy I thought I had a suspicious mind, you guys bring up some interesting points.

I also find it interesting that this story did not surface until today.
I check all of Nevada's news sites daily and didn't see anything about this yesterday.
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Fukushima, Fort Calhoun, Los Alamos....kind of strange "natural" events for 2011.

And a missing 1500mph fighter at the peak of fire and flood near nuclear plant and weapons factory.

Never waste an emergency....isn't that the shock doctrine?

Another thought, with all the fire planes coming and going, all the smoke, ETC....very good cover.
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Sources say all air training at Nellis has been suspended. The base that flies 42,000 training missions a year, so a significant amount of flying will not be done until further notice. The Air Force wants to figure out what went wrong, but most importantly wants to find their pilot.
[link to www.8newsnow.com]


Hope they find him alive and well.
 Quoting: Madigan


Isn't there a signal sent if he ejects?
 Quoting: BRIEF


OH....just read a different article...NO tracking device. Why?

The jet did not have live weaponry and was not equipped with an active locating device, O'Shaughnessy said. He described the exercise that preceded the crash as a "dogfight" between two aircraft.
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The article says, "The Air Force says no active weapons were on-board the plane at the time of the crash, and there is no threat to the surrounding area."

It does not say was not equipped with an active locating device


Or did it? in the past???
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Broken Arrow
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AIN'T IT COOL?!?!?!?
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this was buried with a 1star...but is an extremely odd story so I suggest we bump and 5 star, and PIN!
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I know it may seem insignificant, but I find it additionally strange someone would one star this thread immediately after it was posted.

Anyway, glad its getting attention now.
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Re: F-16 Falcon crashed in Nevada desert 6/28...6/30 Update: Pilot did not survive
Anybody know anything about "falcon" symbols, codenames....

Because at the same time the "falcon" f-16 went missing, Typhoon "Falcon" also known as typhoon Meari was killing people in the Phillipines.

"Falcon" is also the type of jet Qaddafi flys: "BREAKING: Libyan Govt Falcon DA-900 flight tail nr 5A-DCN #Libya #Gadhafi #Famliy

Then there is this from the "National Security Council" regarding UFO documentation release:
Thread: Codename Falcon: Release of the Cooper Material
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Anybody know anything about "falcon" symbols, codenames....

Because at the same time the "falcon" f-16 went missing, Typhoon "Falcon" also known as typhoon Meari was killing people in the Phillipines.

"Falcon" is also the type of jet Qaddafi flys: "BREAKING: Libyan Govt Falcon DA-900 flight tail nr 5A-DCN #Libya #Gadhafi #Famliy

Then there is this from the "National Security Council" regarding UFO documentation release:
Thread: Codename Falcon: Release of the Cooper Material
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Perhaps you should visit my "Synchronicity" thread Humu. weenk
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Re: F-16 Falcon crashed in Nevada desert 6/28...6/30 Update: Pilot did not survive
BY KEITH ROGERS
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posted: Jun. 28, 2011 | 6:45 p.m.
The pilot of a downed F-16C Fighting Falcon remained missing late Tuesday several hours after his jet crashed in a remote area near Caliente during an air-to-air combat exercise, a Nellis Air Force Base official said.

"At this time we are focusing our efforts on the ongoing search-and-rescue mission for the missing pilot," Brig. Gen. T.J. O'Shaughnessy, commander of the 57th Wing at Nellis Air Force Base, said at a news conference shortly before 11 p.m. "What we are looking for now is the parachute and the pilot."

The jet, which went down about 5:30 p.m., did not have live weaponry and was not equipped with an active locating device, O'Shaughnessy said. He described the exercise that preceded the crash as a "dogfight" between two aircraft.

Search-and-rescue teams identified the crash site, which was about 20 miles west of the Lincoln County community on relatively flat land owned by the Bureau of Land Management. Caliente is about 155 miles north of Las Vegas.

O'Shaughnessy did not identify the pilot, who was the only person in the aircraft.

The Nevada Test and Training Range, where the exercise was being conducted, has 12,000 square miles of military operating airspace, but jets such as the F-22 Raptor can cross it in seven minutes, flying at roughly 17 miles per minute.

A trained safety investigation board will collect evidence and try to determine the cause of the crash during the next several weeks, O'Shaughnessy said.

The F-16 Fighting Falcon flies at a maximum speed of about 1,500 mph. It is a fighter jet used by multiple Air Force squadrons, including the Thunderbirds air demonstration team, which is based at Nellis.

More than 4,400 F-16s have been manufactured since 1976. The F-16C and F-16D models cost about $19 million each. The C and D models were built in the 1980s, and there are now about 1,280 in the U.S. inventory, according to an Air Force fact sheet.

The last fatal crash during a combat exercise over the Nellis range complex occurred July 30, 2008, when Lt. Col. Thomas A. Bouley, who commanded the 65th Aggressor Squadron, was killed when his F-15D Eagle fighter jet went down with a Royal Air Force exchange pilot observing from the back seat.

The United Kingdom observer pilot managed to escape the crash by ejecting 740 feet above the high desert terrain of the sprawling training range, 50 miles east of Goldfield.

Air Force investigators determined that pilot error coupled with "aircraft anomalies" sent the two-seat F-15D into a violent spin.

They found that a yaw-roll phenomenon created a spark of uncontrolled flight that resulted in the jet spinning about 20 times in less than 90 seconds. This caused Bouley to become disoriented and misjudge how close the plane was to the ground.
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Re: F-16 Falcon crashed in Nevada desert 6/28...6/30 Update: Pilot did not survive
so he was engaged in a dogfight exercise, with another plane and pilot, ejected via parachute, but the other pilot couldn't locate him? wtf

and more than a day later, still not found or identified?wtf

no locating device?wtf

in a desert area (not a lot of places to hide)???!wtf
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Re: F-16 Falcon crashed in Nevada desert 6/28...6/30 Update: Pilot did not survive
How close is Area 51?
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so he was engaged in a dogfight exercise, with another plane and pilot, ejected via parachute, but the other pilot couldn't locate him? wtf

and more than a day later, still not found or identified?wtf

no locating device?wtf

in a desert area (not a lot of places to hide)???!wtf
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Seriously baffles the mind doesn't it? You make a good point.
How close is Area 51?
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I think they were east of it....maybe less than 100 miles.
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and only local news coverage which rapidly disappeared?wtf
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perhaps this was a real dogfight, and the other dog was armed...might explain why pilot is "missing"
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so he was engaged in a dogfight exercise, with another plane and pilot, ejected via parachute, but the other pilot couldn't locate him? wtf

and more than a day later, still not found or identified?wtf

no locating device?wtf

in a desert area (not a lot of places to hide)???!
wtf
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Have you looked at the satellite imaging of the area? It's quite rugged...

[link to maps.google.com]
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complete bullshit...that fighter had to of had the tracker


Anyone research this pilot? Wonder if the pilot was terminated due to some kind of cover-up and they are just buying time by saying they are looking for him.
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Re: F-16 Falcon crashed in Nevada desert 6/28...6/30 Update: Pilot did not survive
Search-and-rescue teams identified the crash site, which was about 20 miles west of the Lincoln County community on relatively flat land owned by the Bureau of Land Management. Caliente is about 155 miles north of Las Vegas.

Crash site identified, but apparently the chute caught the trade winds to the Carribean, or maybe was Shanghaied by Area 51 aliens...s226
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so he was engaged in a dogfight exercise, with another plane and pilot, ejected via parachute, but the other pilot couldn't locate him? wtf

and more than a day later, still not found or identified?wtf

no locating device?wtf

in a desert area (not a lot of places to hide)???!
wtf
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Have you looked at the satellite imaging of the area? It's quite rugged...

[link to maps.google.com]
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It looks somewhat rugged, but you have a whole air force base at your disposal to help look, the crash site was identified, how far away could a parachute be that they have not found it in over 24 hours, and what is the bs about no tracking device?
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Search-and-rescue teams identified the crash site, which was about 20 miles west of the Lincoln County community on relatively flat land owned by the Bureau of Land Management.
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so he was engaged in a dogfight exercise, with another plane and pilot, ejected via parachute, but the other pilot couldn't locate him? wtf

and more than a day later, still not found or identified?wtf

no locating device?wtf

in a desert area (not a lot of places to hide)???!
wtf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244883


Have you looked at the satellite imaging of the area? It's quite rugged...

[link to maps.google.com]
 Quoting: 008-80


It looks somewhat rugged, but you have a whole air force base at your disposal to help look, the crash site was identified, how far away could a parachute be that they have not found it in over 24 hours, and what is the bs about no tracking device?
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Yea, this situation is bizarre...
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All:

All F-16s have emergency beacons on board which are (normally) set to automatically transmit if an ejection is initiated. If the aircraft hit the ground with the ejection seat (and, therefore, the pilot) still in the aircraft, there would be no beacon signal. Even if an ejection occurred, the battery on the beacon has limited life and would stop transmitting within hours of the crash (if everything went perfectly) if the pilot was incapacitated and could not switch the beacon off.

Jets out of Nellis don't fly with live air-to-air ordnance on board the aircraft for local training sorties. There is zero chance one aircraft was shot down by another.

When a fighter hits the ground at high speeds, the wreckage can be in a very small area (a crater no wider than the wingspan of the aircraft, in this case 33 feet) and virtually vaporize all but the most robust parts of the aircraft. Even if they've found the crash site, the Air Force would still require experts on the ground at the crash site to verify that human remains are present, before declaring the pilot dead, rather than missing. They can't make this call without being 100% sure.

Air Force policy requires a 24 hour delay between notification of next of kin and public release of the deceased. We will hear nothing until late tonight at the earliest.

If the pilot survived and is rescued, you will never know his name and the investigation will remain within Air Force safety channels unless the pilot is accused of misconduct and is charged with some kind of violation of Air Force procedures.

I am astonished at the number of posts by paranoid and clueless people who no nothing about the Air Force, Nellis AFB, flying fighters or DoD policy.

There's a good chance a great American has perished while training to defend all of us. $19 million is nothing compared to the loss of a loved one or fellow fighter pilot.

How about just a little respect?
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All:

All F-16s have emergency beacons on board which are (normally) set to automatically transmit if an ejection is initiated. If the aircraft hit the ground with the ejection seat (and, therefore, the pilot) still in the aircraft, there would be no beacon signal. Even if an ejection occurred, the battery on the beacon has limited life and would stop transmitting within hours of the crash (if everything went perfectly) if the pilot was incapacitated and could not switch the beacon off.

Jets out of Nellis don't fly with live air-to-air ordnance on board the aircraft for local training sorties. There is zero chance one aircraft was shot down by another.

When a fighter hits the ground at high speeds, the wreckage can be in a very small area (a crater no wider than the wingspan of the aircraft, in this case 33 feet) and virtually vaporize all but the most robust parts of the aircraft. Even if they've found the crash site, the Air Force would still require experts on the ground at the crash site to verify that human remains are present, before declaring the pilot dead, rather than missing. They can't make this call without being 100% sure.

Air Force policy requires a 24 hour delay between notification of next of kin and public release of the deceased. We will hear nothing until late tonight at the earliest.

If the pilot survived and is rescued, you will never know his name and the investigation will remain within Air Force safety channels unless the pilot is accused of misconduct and is charged with some kind of violation of Air Force procedures.

I am astonished at the number of posts by paranoid and clueless people who no nothing about the Air Force, Nellis AFB, flying fighters or DoD policy.

There's a good chance a great American has perished while training to defend all of us. $19 million is nothing compared to the loss of a loved one or fellow fighter pilot.

How about just a little respect?
 Quoting: Someone Who Knows 1448722


Thank you "Someone who knows".....well said.

And you're very right....this is more likely to be a tragedy than a conspiracy.

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All:

All F-16s have emergency beacons on board which are (normally) set to automatically transmit if an ejection is initiated. If the aircraft hit the ground with the ejection seat (and, therefore, the pilot) still in the aircraft, there would be no beacon signal. Even if an ejection occurred, the battery on the beacon has limited life and would stop transmitting within hours of the crash (if everything went perfectly) if the pilot was incapacitated and could not switch the beacon off.

Jets out of Nellis don't fly with live air-to-air ordnance on board the aircraft for local training sorties. There is zero chance one aircraft was shot down by another.

When a fighter hits the ground at high speeds, the wreckage can be in a very small area (a crater no wider than the wingspan of the aircraft, in this case 33 feet) and virtually vaporize all but the most robust parts of the aircraft. Even if they've found the crash site, the Air Force would still require experts on the ground at the crash site to verify that human remains are present, before declaring the pilot dead, rather than missing. They can't make this call without being 100% sure.

Air Force policy requires a 24 hour delay between notification of next of kin and public release of the deceased. We will hear nothing until late tonight at the earliest.


HOW ABOUT YOU JUST FUCK OFF? YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT, BUT GOTTEM FOR BRAINS...HERE IS YOUR QUOTE: " Even if they've found the crash site, the Air Force would still require experts on the ground at the crash site to verify that human remains are present, before declaring the pilot dead, rather than missing. They can't make this call without being 100% sure." MILITARY IS COVERING THIS SHIT UP, IT'S ONLY ON LOCAL LAS vEGAS NEWS, AND YOU CLAIM YOU NEED EXPERTS TO TELL YOU A PILOT IS DEAD YOU STUPID FUCK. HERE IS ANOTHER OF YOUR KNOW-NOTHING SHIT FOR BRAINS QUOTES: "Even if an ejection occurred, the battery on the beacon has limited life and would stop transmitting within hours of the crash (if everything went perfectly) if the pilot was incapacitated and could not switch the beacon off." WHAT THE FUCK, ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL US THE BEACON IS EQUIPPED WITH 2 AA BATTERIES? WHY WOULD THE PILOT TRY TO SWITCH THE BEACON OFF?
AND THIS QUOTE I ABSOLUTELY LOVE- YOU MUST BE A PHYSICS MAJOR IN PRE-SCHOOL: "When a fighter hits the ground at high speeds, the wreckage can be in a very small area (a crater no wider than the wingspan of the aircraft, in this case 33 feet) and virtually vaporize all but the most robust parts of the aircraft." SO A 33 FT WINGSPAN JET WOULD ONLY LEAVE A 33FT HOLE IN THE GROUND, AND ALL METAL PARTS WOULD BE VAPORIZED!5as226 DID YOU INVESTIGATE THE TWIN TOWERS TOO, ASSWIPE?!!!s226
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All:

All F-16s have emergency beacons on board which are (normally) set to automatically transmit if an ejection is initiated. If the aircraft hit the ground with the ejection seat (and, therefore, the pilot) still in the aircraft, there would be no beacon signal. Even if an ejection occurred, the battery on the beacon has limited life and would stop transmitting within hours of the crash (if everything went perfectly) if the pilot was incapacitated and could not switch the beacon off.

Jets out of Nellis don't fly with live air-to-air ordnance on board the aircraft for local training sorties. There is zero chance one aircraft was shot down by another.

When a fighter hits the ground at high speeds, the wreckage can be in a very small area (a crater no wider than the wingspan of the aircraft, in this case 33 feet) and virtually vaporize all but the most robust parts of the aircraft. Even if they've found the crash site, the Air Force would still require experts on the ground at the crash site to verify that human remains are present, before declaring the pilot dead, rather than missing. They can't make this call without being 100% sure.

Air Force policy requires a 24 hour delay between notification of next of kin and public release of the deceased. We will hear nothing until late tonight at the earliest.

If the pilot survived and is rescued, you will never know his name and the investigation will remain within Air Force safety channels unless the pilot is accused of misconduct and is charged with some kind of violation of Air Force procedures.

I am astonished at the number of posts by paranoid and clueless people who no nothing about the Air Force, Nellis AFB, flying fighters or DoD policy.

There's a good chance a great American has perished while training to defend all of us. $19 million is nothing compared to the loss of a loved one or fellow fighter pilot.

How about just a little respect?
 Quoting: Someone Who Knows 1448722


Thank you "Someone who knows".....well said.

And you're very right....this is more likely to be a tragedy than a conspiracy.
 Quoting: Madigan


hf
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Thank you "Someone who knows".....well said.

And you're very right....this is more likely to be a tragedy than a conspiracy.


Well Madigan, it only took a moran waving a flag to end your critical thinking process. You couldn't even see past the "just winging it" bullshit he fed you.
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"Air Force policy requires a 24 hour delay between notification of next of kin and public release of the deceased. We will hear nothing until late tonight at the earliest.

If the pilot survived and is rescued, you will never know his name and the investigation will remain within Air Force safety channels unless the pilot is accused of misconduct and is charged with some kind of violation of Air Force procedures."

WE DON'T NEED HIS NAME, WE NEED TO KNOW IF HE WAS FOUND- HOW MANY HOURS DELAY DOES THE AIR FORCE NEED TO TELL US THAT, MORONICA?
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1244883


Thank you "Someone who knows".....well said.

And you're very right....this is more likely to be a tragedy than a conspiracy.


Well Madigan, it only took a moran waving a flag to end your critical thinking process. You couldn't even see past the "just winging it" bullshit he fed you.


No...my critical thinking goes on.

But I want to acknowledge some sensitivity and respect to the family of this pilot.

I will continue to watch....as a Nevadan, I'm concerned and curious.
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Ok, out over the Nevada desert and the pilot is missing...he wasn't in the twisted up metal of the wreck...he would easily be spotted if he he ejected, even though they had no tracking device...therefore I go back to my original statement that he was raptured (abducted), and may be returned if they see fit...

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Ok, out over the Nevada desert and the pilot is missing...he wasn't in the twisted up metal of the wreck...he would be easily be spotted if he he ejected, even though they had no tracking device...therefore I go back to my original statement that he was raptured (abducted), and may be returned if they see fit...
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yellowluv


I love that you show up right when you're needed. Thanks.
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Ok, out over the Nevada desert and the pilot is missing...he wasn't in the twisted up metal of the wreck...he would be easily be spotted if he he ejected, even though they had no tracking device...therefore I go back to my original statement that he was raptured (abducted), and may be returned if they see fit...
 Quoting: BRIEF


yellowluv


I love that you show up right when you're needed. Thanks.
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It's a gift dear, I hope he returns safe or otherwise fulfills his goals in life...
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By the way, "One Who Knows" has never started a thread or posted a reply in at least 2 years except to reply on your thread...(unless he used a different computer)

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