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The UK Sovereign Citizen Movement

 
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This thread is a companion thread to the US Sovereign thread.

Thread: TPTB DONT WANT U TO SEE THIS!!!! The CHANGE Your Founders Believed In - MAKE IT GO VIRAL!!!

here are some links for UK folk

The People's United Community

[link to www.tpuc.org]

Freeman On the Land

[link to fmotl.com]

The World Freeman Society Forum

[link to forum.worldfreemansociety.org]

David dIcke Forum - freeman On The Land Section

[link to forum.glp_hater]

A video challenging council tax shows the fun and games trying to establish common law jurisdiction in a magistrates court.

If it's not common law operating in the courts what is it?

Part 1



Part 2

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Thank you France :)
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Thank you France :)
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You're welcome - I'm a Coventry lasscool2
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LOL I've just noticed what this board has done to one of the links. You guys can probably work it out, but just in case

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let's see if that gets past the filter
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. Small bump 'til I can watch.
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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The Mercia Movement was formed on 19th August 1993 by a group of like-minded individuals alarmed at the political, economic, social and environmental situation in England, but inspired by a common vision of a sustainable alternative future. Unlike conventional political bodies, the Mercia Movement does not support the theory of progress from barbarity to paradise through technological development. On the contrary, we believe that this route will ultimately lead to catastrophe through the exhaustion of finite resources by an expanding population far in excess of its food base. The impossible goal of universal happiness through consumerism and materialism is just one of the many false hopes raised by the privileged minorities to secure their hold on power that has lasted for nearly a millennium. It is our view that the golden age in England was in the Anglo-Saxon past and that the following centuries witnessed a descent into the dark ages. Prior to the Norman Conquest, communalism and organic democracy thrived and society flourished in essential harmony with the environment. Since the disastrous events of 1066, a radical political force of English people refusing to accept the finality of the effects of the Conquest has existed and has periodically challenged the power of the Establishment. The Mercia Movement is the most recent expression of this tradition.

We believe that the future is decided by history and that an English renaissance is perfectly possible, but that it can only be achieved by a common understanding that society suffers from a thousand-year old disease and by a common willingness to apply the whole cure. Conventional politics has failed to recognise the existence of the disease, let alone identify its cause, and has dealt with ills in society in a piecemeal fashion, attacking the symptoms as they have appeared. Through the application of this method, the disease is almost certain to be terminal and only a holistic approach to the problem offers real hope of salvation. Fortunately, it is clear that most people in England have a pessimistic view of the future and are disillusioned with or apathetic to the activities of career politicians. We believe that this situation creates much scope for a revival of a common English spirit to heal the wounds and finally complete the circle. We have a cyclical view of history which predicts that the ordinary people will continue to dispute the control of the privileged few until the pattern of failure and despair is finally broken. As a millennium of subjection approaches, a number of indicators, such as the growth of regionalist and environmental movements and an increasing dissatisfaction with the monarchy, suggest that the English people may once again be ready for the challenge.

It is our assertion that the current political system in England is illegal and undemocratic and that the economy is grossly polluting and unsustainable. The Mercia Movement therefore aims to act as a catalyst in the removal of the Establishment and in the re-empowerment of the ordinary people of the country. Mercia remains a legally autonomous region and we intend to re-create its independence in reality. Anglo-Saxon England provides a vital historical model which proves that a society based on community, organic democracy and environmental harmony is not a dream, but an achievable ideal. An immense amount of energy, patience and flexibility will be needed to realise the ideal and we appeal to the people of Mercia to join us in meeting the challenge.

[link to www.independentmercia.org]
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The Mercia Movement was formed... snip...people of Mercia to join us in meeting the challenge.

[link to www.independentmercia.org]
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Isn't it extremely hypocritical to promote your movement through the technology you despise? Do you refuse modern medicines? Do you use modern transport? How do you know the 'golden age' was in the Anglo-Saxon past if you didn't personally experience it?

R)
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The Mercia Movement was formed... snip...people of Mercia to join us in meeting the challenge.

[link to www.independentmercia.org]
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Isn't it extremely hypocritical to promote your movement through the technology you despise? Do you refuse modern medicines? Do you use modern transport? How do you know the 'golden age' was in the Anglo-Saxon past if you didn't personally experience it?

R)
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When today's societal infrastructure collapses, which it is visibly now doing, and we have no technology, pharmaceuticals nor transport, people can either call for an even more controlling government which will undoubtedly not serve people's best interests, or use the pre-1066 Anglo-Saxon model as the default model, one which worked - people were free (not subjects of the Crown), the economy and environment were sustainable (population growth being limited voluntarily to match resources) and community was strong. Compared with post-1066 (which gave the illusion of progress and freedom) we call that a Golden Age.
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The Mercia Movement was formed... snip...people of Mercia to join us in meeting the challenge.

[link to www.independentmercia.org]
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Isn't it extremely hypocritical to promote your movement through the technology you despise? Do you refuse modern medicines? Do you use modern transport? How do you know the 'golden age' was in the Anglo-Saxon past if you didn't personally experience it?

R)
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When today's societal infrastructure collapses, which it is visibly now doing, and we have no technology, pharmaceuticals nor transport, people can either call for an even more controlling government which will undoubtedly not serve people's best interests, or use the pre-1066 Anglo-Saxon model as the default model, one which worked - people were free (not subjects of the Crown), the economy and environment were sustainable (population growth being limited voluntarily to match resources) and community was strong. Compared with post-1066 (which gave the illusion of progress and freedom) we call that a Golden Age.
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You cannot just magically get rid of technology, medicines and transport. They would have to be physically destroyed along with all related books. Do a search for Nazi Book Burning!. Is that a route you want to go down? Even if they were wiped off the face of the earth, the knowledge would still exist and the people that don't want to live like you would start rebuilding. There would have to be an Orwellian style technology police force poking their noses in to people's affairs to clamp down on such behaviour. They'd be just as bad as the organisations you fight against today.
All it would do is create new conflicts. It would be just another 'us' versus 'them' society.

R)
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but inspired by a common vision of a sustainable alternative future.
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sustainable alternatives -- now that is what the English is all about
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The Mercia Movement was formed... snip...people of Mercia to join us in meeting the challenge.

[link to www.independentmercia.org]
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Isn't it extremely hypocritical to promote your movement through the technology you despise? Do you refuse modern medicines? Do you use modern transport? How do you know the 'golden age' was in the Anglo-Saxon past if you didn't personally experience it?

R)
 Quoting: RLKAT


When today's societal infrastructure collapses, which it is visibly now doing, and we have no technology, pharmaceuticals nor transport, people can either call for an even more controlling government which will undoubtedly not serve people's best interests, or use the pre-1066 Anglo-Saxon model as the default model, one which worked - people were free (not subjects of the Crown), the economy and environment were sustainable (population growth being limited voluntarily to match resources) and community was strong. Compared with post-1066 (which gave the illusion of progress and freedom) we call that a Golden Age.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


And how would those that chose to breed and not "voluntarily... match resources" be treated? Allowed to procreate as they see fit or forced to fit within "societal norms"?
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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The Mercia Movement was formed... snip...people of Mercia to join us in meeting the challenge.

[link to www.independentmercia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1449683



Isn't it extremely hypocritical to promote your movement through the technology you despise? Do you refuse modern medicines? Do you use modern transport? How do you know the 'golden age' was in the Anglo-Saxon past if you didn't personally experience it?

R)
 Quoting: RLKAT


When today's societal infrastructure collapses, which it is visibly now doing, and we have no technology, pharmaceuticals nor transport, people can either call for an even more controlling government which will undoubtedly not serve people's best interests, or use the pre-1066 Anglo-Saxon model as the default model, one which worked - people were free (not subjects of the Crown), the economy and environment were sustainable (population growth being limited voluntarily to match resources) and community was strong. Compared with post-1066 (which gave the illusion of progress and freedom) we call that a Golden Age.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


And how would those that chose to breed and not "voluntarily... match resources" be treated? Allowed to procreate as they see fit or forced to fit within "societal norms"?
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They will be destroyed by the peace-loving hippies.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.

R)
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Isn't it extremely hypocritical to promote your movement through the technology you despise? Do you refuse modern medicines? Do you use modern transport? How do you know the 'golden age' was in the Anglo-Saxon past if you didn't personally experience it?

R)
 Quoting: RLKAT


When today's societal infrastructure collapses, which it is visibly now doing, and we have no technology, pharmaceuticals nor transport, people can either call for an even more controlling government which will undoubtedly not serve people's best interests, or use the pre-1066 Anglo-Saxon model as the default model, one which worked - people were free (not subjects of the Crown), the economy and environment were sustainable (population growth being limited voluntarily to match resources) and community was strong. Compared with post-1066 (which gave the illusion of progress and freedom) we call that a Golden Age.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


And how would those that chose to breed and not "voluntarily... match resources" be treated? Allowed to procreate as they see fit or forced to fit within "societal norms"?
 Quoting: Coward, Anonymous


They will be destroyed by the peace-loving hippies.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.

R)
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you will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

borg
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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When today's societal infrastructure collapses, which it is visibly now doing, and we have no technology, pharmaceuticals nor transport, people can either call for an even more controlling government which will undoubtedly not serve people's best interests, or use the pre-1066 Anglo-Saxon model as the default model, one which worked - people were free (not subjects of the Crown), the economy and environment were sustainable (population growth being limited voluntarily to match resources) and community was strong. Compared with post-1066 (which gave the illusion of progress and freedom) we call that a Golden Age.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


And how would those that chose to breed and not "voluntarily... match resources" be treated? Allowed to procreate as they see fit or forced to fit within "societal norms"?
 Quoting: Coward, Anonymous


They will be destroyed by the peace-loving hippies.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.

R)
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you will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

:borg:
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Joke and argue all you like, but things are falling apart right now, no?

When TSHTF and you're looking for options other than TPTB to see you through, whether you live in the U.K., the U.S. or anywhere else in the TPTB-controlled world, take a good look at

[link to www.independentmercia.org]

or other sites promoting people-organised (organic) democracy, cooperative community and ecological sustainability (let me know if you can find any, would you?).

Preferably look around before TSHTF, because the internet may be down by that time. Also, it takes time to prepare for when TSHTF by, e.g. growing food locally.

Or just depend on TPTB.

Your choice, of course.

Just sayin'
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And how would those that chose to breed and not "voluntarily... match resources" be treated? Allowed to procreate as they see fit or forced to fit within "societal norms"?
 Quoting: Coward, Anonymous


They will be destroyed by the peace-loving hippies.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.

R)
 Quoting: RLKAT


you will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

:borg:
 Quoting: Coward, Anonymous


Joke and argue all you like, but things are falling apart right now, no?

When TSHTF and you're looking for options other than TPTB to see you through, whether you live in the U.K., the U.S. or anywhere else in the TPTB-controlled world, take a good look at

[link to www.independentmercia.org]

or other sites promoting people-organised (organic) democracy, cooperative community and ecological sustainability (let me know if you can find any, would you?).

Preferably look around before TSHTF, because the internet may be down by that time. Also, it takes time to prepare for when TSHTF by, e.g. growing food locally.

Or just depend on TPTB.

Your choice, of course.

Just sayin'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


I'll stop joking around when someone offers a viable alternative not based on another 'do as I say' society.

R)
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And how would those that chose to breed and not "voluntarily... match resources" be treated? Allowed to procreate as they see fit or forced to fit within "societal norms"?
 Quoting: Coward, Anonymous


They will be destroyed by the peace-loving hippies.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.
You will comply.

R)
 Quoting: RLKAT


you will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

borg
 Quoting: Coward, Anonymous


Joke and argue all you like, but things are falling apart right now, no?

When TSHTF and you're looking for options other than TPTB to see you through, whether you live in the U.K., the U.S. or anywhere else in the TPTB-controlled world, take a good look at

[link to www.independentmercia.org]

or other sites promoting people-organised (organic) democracy, cooperative community and ecological sustainability (let me know if you can find any, would you?).

Preferably look around before TSHTF, because the internet may be down by that time. Also, it takes time to prepare for when TSHTF by, e.g. growing food locally.

Or just depend on TPTB.

Your choice, of course.

Just sayin'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


If I don't want to live in a society where TPTB are telling me what to do and how to live my life, why would I want to live in a society where you are telling me what to do and how to live my live?

Same slave, different owner?

Nope, not gonna happen.
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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Joke and argue all you like, but things are falling apart right now, no?

When TSHTF and you're looking for options other than TPTB to see you through, whether you live in the U.K., the U.S. or anywhere else in the TPTB-controlled world, take a good look at

[link to www.independentmercia.org]

or other sites promoting people-organised (organic) democracy, cooperative community and ecological sustainability (let me know if you can find any, would you?).

Preferably look around before TSHTF, because the internet may be down by that time. Also, it takes time to prepare for when TSHTF by, e.g. growing food locally.

Or just depend on TPTB.

Your choice, of course.

Just sayin'


If I don't want to live in a society where TPTB are telling me what to do and how to live my life, why would I want to live in a society where you are telling me what to do and how to live my live?

Same slave, different owner?

Nope, not gonna happen.


Not everyone can live entirely independently and self-sufficiently of others. Cooperative community, true democracy organised within the local communities, and community-organised sustainability is for them. Are such people 'owned' in a way they wouldn't want? Maybe, depends on the community, I guess.
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Joke and argue all you like, but things are falling apart right now, no?

When TSHTF and you're looking for options other than TPTB to see you through, whether you live in the U.K., the U.S. or anywhere else in the TPTB-controlled world, take a good look at

[link to www.independentmercia.org]

or other sites promoting people-organised (organic) democracy, cooperative community and ecological sustainability (let me know if you can find any, would you?).

Preferably look around before TSHTF, because the internet may be down by that time. Also, it takes time to prepare for when TSHTF by, e.g. growing food locally.

Or just depend on TPTB.

Your choice, of course.

Just sayin'
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


If I don't want to live in a society where TPTB are telling me what to do and how to live my life, why would I want to live in a society where you are telling me what to do and how to live my live?

Same slave, different owner?

Nope, not gonna happen.
 Quoting: Coward, Anonymous


Not everyone can live entirely independently and self-sufficiently of others. Cooperative community, true democracy organised within the local communities, and community-organised sustainability is for them. Are such people 'owned' in a way they wouldn't want? Maybe, depends on the community, I guess.
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There is no such thing as a "Sovereign Citizen", it's a misnomer means "Free Slave"... Makes no sense....

There are sovereign's however........ The Queen, for one... Check out here Coronation Oath.......

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Not everyone can live entirely independently and self-sufficiently of others. Cooperative community, true democracy organised within the local communities, and community-organised sustainability is for them. Are such people 'owned' in a way they wouldn't want? Maybe, depends on the community, I guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


"True democracy" is oppression where your 51% over rules my 49% so therefore my "minority" must adhere to your "majority".

Granted, all "government" is oppressive to someone, but I want nothing to do with "true democracy". Nothing good from that way comes.
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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Not everyone can live entirely independently and self-sufficiently of others. Cooperative community, true democracy organised within the local communities, and community-organised sustainability is for them. Are such people 'owned' in a way they wouldn't want? Maybe, depends on the community, I guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


"True democracy" is oppression where your 51% over rules my 49% so therefore my "minority" must adhere to your "majority".

Granted, all "government" is oppressive to someone, but I want nothing to do with "true democracy". Nothing good from that way comes.
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Who says democracy means 51% decides?
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Not everyone can live entirely independently and self-sufficiently of others. Cooperative community, true democracy organised within the local communities, and community-organised sustainability is for them. Are such people 'owned' in a way they wouldn't want? Maybe, depends on the community, I guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


"True democracy" is oppression where your 51% over rules my 49% so therefore my "minority" must adhere to your "majority".

Granted, all "government" is oppressive to someone, but I want nothing to do with "true democracy". Nothing good from that way comes.
 Quoting: Coward, Anonymous


Who says democracy means 51% decides?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


sorry, 50.1%. Majority rules. Anything different is not "true democracy".
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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Not everyone can live entirely independently and self-sufficiently of others. Cooperative community, true democracy organised within the local communities, and community-organised sustainability is for them. Are such people 'owned' in a way they wouldn't want? Maybe, depends on the community, I guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


"True democracy" is oppression where your 51% over rules my 49% so therefore my "minority" must adhere to your "majority".

Granted, all "government" is oppressive to someone, but I want nothing to do with "true democracy". Nothing good from that way comes.
 Quoting: Coward, Anonymous


Who says democracy means 51% decides?
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sorry, 50.1%. Majority rules. Anything different is not "true democracy".
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Let the people decide.
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"True democracy" is oppression where your 51% over rules my 49% so therefore my "minority" must adhere to your "majority".

Granted, all "government" is oppressive to someone, but I want nothing to do with "true democracy". Nothing good from that way comes.
 Quoting: Coward, Anonymous


Who says democracy means 51% decides?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


sorry, 50.1%. Majority rules. Anything different is not "true democracy".
 Quoting: Coward, Anonymous


Let the people decide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450479


for themselves......
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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What's the point of posting this. All it shows is a guy arguing with court staff then the judge leaving. What it doesn't show is the judge coming back with his black cap on then the camera pans round to show the guy swinging by the neck from the ceiling.

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There is no such thing as a "Sovereign Citizen", it's a misnomer means "Free Slave"... Makes no sense....

There are sovereign's however........ The Queen, for one... Check out here Coronation Oath.......


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What's the point of posting this. All it shows is a guy arguing with court staff then the judge leaving. What it doesn't show is the judge coming back with his black cap on then the camera pans round to show the guy swinging by the neck from the ceiling.

R)

There is no such thing as a "Sovereign Citizen", it's a misnomer means "Free Slave"... Makes no sense....

There are sovereign's however........ The Queen, for one... Check out here Coronation Oath.......


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'wise student' -- mahcah
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Not everyone can live entirely independently and self-sufficiently of others. Cooperative community, true democracy organised within the local communities, and community-organised sustainability is for them. Are such people 'owned' in a way they wouldn't want? Maybe, depends on the community, I guess.
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"True democracy" is oppression where your 51% over rules my 49% so therefore my "minority" must adhere to your "majority".

Granted, all "government" is oppressive to someone, but I want nothing to do with "true democracy". Nothing good from that way comes.
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^ This

Democracy is the problem we are having right now in this world.
Mob-Rule, where the masses are being dumbed down and programmed by the msm and do the biding of the corrupt elite.

There is your hacked democracy, we need to ditch it but alas so many are being programmed to think democracy is a good thing.

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