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The angel of the Lord (YHWH) is Satan in Numbers 22:22
Numbers 22:22 But God (Elohim) was angry (aph) because he was going, and the angel of the Lord (YHWH) took his stand in the way as an adversary (satan) against him. Now he was riding on his donkey and his two servants were with him.
<0639> @a; aph = anger

Adversary is not the transliteration it is satan.

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Numbers 22:32 The angel of the LORD said to him, "Why have you struck your donkey these three times? Behold, I have come out as an adversary (Satan), because your way was contrary to me.
Satan again.

Anger of the Lord (YHWH) is satan in the above scripture
NAU 2 Samuel 24:1 Now again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and it incited David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."

It is time to re think the idea of satan. It is not what is taught traditionally.

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Im 22:22 guy... I see 22:22 everywhere

in time, street,.......

im obcessed
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Unfortunately your hermeneutical skills need refining. The actual wording in Numbers 22:22 is "... and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary..." Not as the adversary.

The word "Satan" means adversary, and since the angel of the Lord was being an adversary toward Baalam, the only word in the Hebrew language to display that word symbol is the same word used to describe our adversary...THE DEVIL. not "for an adversary. and that particular wording is what distinguishes the act of being an adversary (verb) from the noun of being the adversary.
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Satan is called hasatan in the Hebrew Scriptures ("THE Adversary")...
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Numbers 22:22 But God (Elohim) was angry (aph) because he was going, and the angel of the Lord (YHWH) took his stand in the way as an adversary (satan) against him. Now he was riding on his donkey and his two servants were with him.
<0639> @a; aph = anger

Adversary is not the transliteration it is satan.
 Quoting: nzreva


interesting sumation

aph = anger as well....interesting

fore and aph

pitch fore

ad ver se ree
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I see 222 EVERYWHERE, multiple times per day..
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as far as chapter four specifically of that there bee-eye-bull....it is a log, log of a journey into fore

and the resulting question is what for

what fore is four and what for
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the number of the beast....singular....as always....is fore

the most basic definition of the value of term 'score' is one
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Unfortunately your hermeneutical skills need refining. The actual wording in Numbers 22:22 is "... and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary..." Not as the adversary.

The word "Satan" means adversary, and since the angel of the Lord was being an adversary toward Baalam, the only word in the Hebrew language to display that word symbol is the same word used to describe our adversary...THE DEVIL. not "for an adversary. and that particular wording is what distinguishes the act of being an adversary (verb) from the noun of being the adversary.
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Particle prep lamad is before satan. It can mean to or for

The Angel of YHWH stood in the way to or for satan. Particle prep "lamad" in front is satan
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Abad = enemy so there is a better word in Hebrew that can be used.
ayab
Meaning: to be hostile to
Origin: a prim. root
Usage: enemies(196), enemies'(2), enemy(79), enemy to your enemies(1), enemy's(1), foes(2).

Satan should be translated satan. not adversary.
I will say a satan instead of the satan it is still satan.

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Im 22:22 guy... I see 22:22 everywhere

in time, street,.......

im obcessed
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LOL
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Satan should be translated satan. not adversary.
I will say a satan instead of the satan it is still satan.
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at the time of Moses -- when chapter Four Numbers became law -- where did this 'adversary' reside -- according to Moses ??

was it someone to be 'feared' in the after life -- this particular adversary ??
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Unfortunately your hermeneutical skills need refining. The actual wording in Numbers 22:22 is "... and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary..." Not as the adversary.

The word "Satan" means adversary, and since the angel of the Lord was being an adversary toward Baalam, the only word in the Hebrew language to display that word symbol is the same word used to describe our adversary...THE DEVIL. not "for an adversary. and that particular wording is what distinguishes the act of being an adversary (verb) from the noun of being the adversary.
 Quoting: Wingedlion


I never said the satan. As you said I did.

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Satan should be translated satan. not adversary.
I will say a satan instead of the satan it is still satan.
 Quoting: nzreva


at the time of Moses -- when chapter Four Numbers became law -- where did this 'adversary' reside -- according to Moses ??

was it someone to be 'feared' in the after life -- this particular adversary ??
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What scripture are you referring to?
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Satan is called hasatan in the Hebrew Scriptures ("THE Adversary")...
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Satan = sin tet nun. You may say that is modern Hebrew but satan is written satan and it transliterates satan in English.
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Numbers 22:32 The angel of the LORD said to him, "Why have you struck your donkey these three times? Behold, I have come out as an adversary (Satan), because your way was contrary to me.
Satan again.

Anger of the Lord (YHWH) is satan in the above scripture
NAU 2 Samuel 24:1 Now again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and it incited David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."

It is time to re think the idea of satan. It is not what is taught traditionally.
 Quoting: nzreva


So the anger of YHWH is an satan
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Book of Enoch: Chapter 65

6 ....... concerning those who dwell on the earth that their ruin is accomplished because they have learnt all the secrets of the angels, and all the violence of the Satans, (plural) and all their powers -the most secret ones- and all the power of those who practice sorcery, and the power of witchcraft, and the power of those who make molten images

There was more than one Satan!!

The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. (Ex 15:3)

WAR
2. To be in a state of hostility or rivalry;

for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God (Ex 20:5)

Jealous
2.a. Resentful or bitter in rivalry;

Satans = gods of war. It is only those that are extremely opposite of peace, love and harmony that would be defined as "Satans".

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Numbers 22:22 But God (Elohim) was angry (aph) because he was going, and the angel of the Lord (YHWH) took his stand in the way as an adversary (satan) against him. Now he was riding on his donkey and his two servants were with him.
<0639> @a; aph = anger

Adversary is not the transliteration it is satan.
 Quoting: nzreva


Look at

NAU Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD (YHWH) God (Elohim) formed((yatsar) man of dust from the ground (adamah), and breathed into his nostrils (aph) the breath of life; and man became a living being.

aph
Meaning: a nostril, nose, face, anger

Usage: anger(205), angry(2), angry*(5), before(2), breath(1), countenance(1), double(1), face(15), faces(4), forbearance*(1), ground(1), nose(10), noses(1), nostril(1), nostrils(13), quick-tempered*(1), snout(1), wrath(8), wrath with his anger(1).

Root or Origin: from 599 anaph {aw-naf'}
Meaning: 1) to be angry, to be displeased, to breathe hard 1a) (Qal) to be angry (of God) 1b) (Hithpael) to be angry (always of God)

Genesis 2 Adam was formed (yatsar) out of adamah. Adamah's root is Adam. He breathed into his (anger) nostrils. Which is it anger or nose? What is Adamath, it is not the same as Genesis one Adam who was created (bara)....
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Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath (anger). Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us. (The Apocalypse of Adam, The Nag Hammadi)

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Satan is called hasatan in the Hebrew Scriptures ("THE Adversary")...
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Numbers 22:22 says satan in Hebrew (lamed) sin tat nun
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Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath (anger). Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us. (The Apocalypse of Adam, The Nag Hammadi)

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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


Who are the "us" would that be Genesis 1 Adam. male and female?
Gen 2 Adam is the anger (nostrils) formed (Yatsar)
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Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath (anger). Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us. (The Apocalypse of Adam, The Nag Hammadi)

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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth



Who are the "us" would that be Genesis 1 Adam. male and female?
Gen 2 Adam is the anger (nostrils) formed (Yatsar)
 Quoting: nzreva


Well there would have been more than just the one male/female on first Earth, it would've been a whole race of folks destroyed!!

The us would've been the narrators of the story, the now two entities of the YHVH's Adam and the Eve!!

Is this not in itself a remembrance of a past life, moved from one type of being into another?

Where did all the souls of the first race go?

You do know the Elohim had soul binding technology, yes?

In the Qu'ran there is mention of fearing the ships of the Elohim, called a Naar, for they steal the souls of humans and bind it to their technology as fuel for their ships!!

Then fear the Naar whose fuel is men (souls) and stones. (Quran 2:24)

The christian scriptures have the same reference!!

Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. (Ezek 13:20)


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

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YHVH is the evil one. YhVh is the lord of duality. Seek singularity.
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Satan is called hasatan in the Hebrew Scriptures ("THE Adversary")...
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Numbers 22:22 says satan in Hebrew (lamed) sin tat nun
 Quoting: nzreva


The letter lamed in front of a Hebrew word means "to," "for," "in," etc. Lamed-shin-tet-nun sofeet in Hebrew means "for an adversary."
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Satan is called hasatan in the Hebrew Scriptures ("THE Adversary")...
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Numbers 22:22 says satan in Hebrew (lamed) sin tat nun
 Quoting: nzreva


The letter lamed in front of a Hebrew word means "to," "for," "in," etc. Lamed-shin-tet-nun sofeet in Hebrew means "for an adversary."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1263536


It is satan in Hebrew and should be transliteraed satan in English
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Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath (anger). Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us. (The Apocalypse of Adam, The Nag Hammadi)

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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth



Who are the "us" would that be Genesis 1 Adam. male and female?
Gen 2 Adam is the anger (nostrils) formed (Yatsar)
 Quoting: nzreva


Well there would have been more than just the one male/female on first Earth, it would've been a whole race of folks destroyed!!

The us would've been the narrators of the story, the now two entities of the YHVH's Adam and the Eve!!

Is this not in itself a remembrance of a past life, moved from one type of being into another?

Where did all the souls of the first race go?

You do know the Elohim had soul binding technology, yes?

In the Qu'ran there is mention of fearing the ships of the Elohim, called a Naar, for they steal the souls of humans and bind it to their technology as fuel for their ships!!

Then fear the Naar whose fuel is men (souls) and stones. (Quran 2:24)

The christian scriptures have the same reference!!

Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. (Ezek 13:20)


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


One thing at a time. LOL. I don't see Adam male and female created in Genesis 1 having a Chay Nephesh that is a living soul. That means to me if they sinned they would not die. They took care of chay or life for The Elohim. I don't find them again until Genesis 5 They did not have a Cain and Able as Genesis 2 Eva did Cain an ish from YHWH. Not Adam's child/ is that in any other writing? That you know of.

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Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath (anger). Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us. (The Apocalypse of Adam, The Nag Hammadi)

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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth



Who are the "us" would that be Genesis 1 Adam. male and female?
Gen 2 Adam is the anger (nostrils) formed (Yatsar)
 Quoting: nzreva


Well there would have been more than just the one male/female on first Earth, it would've been a whole race of folks destroyed!!

The us would've been the narrators of the story, the now two entities of the YHVH's Adam and the Eve!!

Is this not in itself a remembrance of a past life, moved from one type of being into another?

Where did all the souls of the first race go?

You do know the Elohim had soul binding technology, yes?

In the Qu'ran there is mention of fearing the ships of the Elohim, called a Naar, for they steal the souls of humans and bind it to their technology as fuel for their ships!!

Then fear the Naar whose fuel is men (souls) and stones. (Quran 2:24)

The christian scriptures have the same reference!!

Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. (Ezek 13:20)


___________

If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


One thing at a time. LOL. I don't see Adam male and female created in Genesis 1 having a Chay Nephesh that is a living soul. That means to me if they sinned they would not die. They took care of chay or life for The Elohim. I don't find them again until Genesis 5 They did not have a Cain and Able as Genesis 2 Eva did Cain an ish from YHWH. Not Adam's child/ is that in any other writing? That you know of.
 Quoting: nzreva


Listen to my words, my son Seth. When God had created me out of the earth, along with Eve, your mother, I went about with her in a glory which she had seen in the aeon from which we had come forth. She taught me a word of knowledge of the eternal God. And we resembled the great eternal angels, for we were higher than the god who had created us and the powers with him, whom we did not know.

And we resembled the great eternal angels

for we were higher than the god (YHVH) who had created us

All living things have Nephesh, even insects!!



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Listen to my words, my son Seth. When God had created me out of the earth
this was written in Coptic, if you go to the Hebrew you know that Adam(2) was formed not created out of adamah not earth (erits) .....
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Numbers 22:22 But God (Elohim) was angry (aph) because he was going, and the angel of the Lord (YHWH) took his stand in the way as an adversary (satan) against him. Now he was riding on his donkey and his two servants were with him.
<0639> @a; aph = anger

Adversary is not the transliteration it is satan.
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Adversary is a Greek word, not a Hebrew word.
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Listen to my words, my son Seth. When God had created me out of the earth, along with Eve, your mother, I went about with her in a glory which she had seen in the aeon from which we had come forth. She taught me a word of knowledge of the eternal God. And we resembled the great eternal angels, for we were higher than the god who had created us and the powers with him, whom we did not know.

And we resembled the great eternal angels

for we were higher than the god (YHVH) who had created us

All living things have Nephesh, even insects!!



Aionion life is knowing the only true Theos and his son...

So Eve. it is saying had a knowing or friendship of the Highest. Eternal should always be translated aion aionion. Aionion angels would have been friends with the Highest. She taught me a word of knowledge from the aionion Theos, or divine,

Every day I have clearer understanding.

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