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nzreva (OP) User ID: 1063963 United States 07/01/2011 10:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Numbers 22:32 The angel of the LORD said to him, "Why have you struck your donkey these three times? Behold, I have come out as an adversary (Satan), because your way was contrary to me. Satan again. Anger of the Lord (YHWH) is satan in the above scripture NAU 2 Samuel 24:1 Now again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and it incited David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah." It is time to re think the idea of satan. It is not what is taught traditionally. Last Edited by NZREva on 07/01/2011 10:13 AM |
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Wingedlion User ID: 1444952 United States 07/01/2011 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unfortunately your hermeneutical skills need refining. The actual wording in Numbers 22:22 is "... and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary..." Not as the adversary. The word "Satan" means adversary, and since the angel of the Lord was being an adversary toward Baalam, the only word in the Hebrew language to display that word symbol is the same word used to describe our adversary...THE DEVIL. not "for an adversary. and that particular wording is what distinguishes the act of being an adversary (verb) from the noun of being the adversary. "Glory is what happens when faith overcomes adversity." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 964953 United States 07/01/2011 10:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Numbers 22:22 But God (Elohim) was angry (aph) because he was going, and the angel of the Lord (YHWH) took his stand in the way as an adversary (satan) against him. Now he was riding on his donkey and his two servants were with him. Quoting: nzreva<0639> @a; aph = anger Adversary is not the transliteration it is satan. interesting sumation aph = anger as well....interesting fore and aph pitch fore ad ver se ree |
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nzreva (OP) User ID: 1063963 United States 07/01/2011 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unfortunately your hermeneutical skills need refining. The actual wording in Numbers 22:22 is "... and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary..." Not as the adversary. Quoting: WingedlionThe word "Satan" means adversary, and since the angel of the Lord was being an adversary toward Baalam, the only word in the Hebrew language to display that word symbol is the same word used to describe our adversary...THE DEVIL. not "for an adversary. and that particular wording is what distinguishes the act of being an adversary (verb) from the noun of being the adversary. Particle prep lamad is before satan. It can mean to or for The Angel of YHWH stood in the way to or for satan. Particle prep "lamad" in front is satan [link to en.wikipedia.org] Abad = enemy so there is a better word in Hebrew that can be used. ayab Meaning: to be hostile to Origin: a prim. root Usage: enemies(196), enemies'(2), enemy(79), enemy to your enemies(1), enemy's(1), foes(2). Satan should be translated satan. not adversary. I will say a satan instead of the satan it is still satan. Last Edited by NZREva on 07/01/2011 11:19 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 964953 United States 07/01/2011 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Satan should be translated satan. not adversary. Quoting: nzrevaI will say a satan instead of the satan it is still satan. at the time of Moses -- when chapter Four Numbers became law -- where did this 'adversary' reside -- according to Moses ?? was it someone to be 'feared' in the after life -- this particular adversary ?? |
nzreva (OP) User ID: 1063963 United States 07/01/2011 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unfortunately your hermeneutical skills need refining. The actual wording in Numbers 22:22 is "... and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary..." Not as the adversary. Quoting: WingedlionThe word "Satan" means adversary, and since the angel of the Lord was being an adversary toward Baalam, the only word in the Hebrew language to display that word symbol is the same word used to describe our adversary...THE DEVIL. not "for an adversary. and that particular wording is what distinguishes the act of being an adversary (verb) from the noun of being the adversary. I never said the satan. As you said I did. Last Edited by NZREva on 07/01/2011 11:11 AM |
nzreva (OP) User ID: 1063963 United States 07/01/2011 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Satan should be translated satan. not adversary. Quoting: nzrevaI will say a satan instead of the satan it is still satan. at the time of Moses -- when chapter Four Numbers became law -- where did this 'adversary' reside -- according to Moses ?? was it someone to be 'feared' in the after life -- this particular adversary ?? What scripture are you referring to? |
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nzreva (OP) User ID: 1063963 United States 07/01/2011 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Numbers 22:32 The angel of the LORD said to him, "Why have you struck your donkey these three times? Behold, I have come out as an adversary (Satan), because your way was contrary to me. Quoting: nzrevaSatan again. Anger of the Lord (YHWH) is satan in the above scripture NAU 2 Samuel 24:1 Now again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and it incited David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah." It is time to re think the idea of satan. It is not what is taught traditionally. So the anger of YHWH is an satan |
HardTruth User ID: 871434 United States 07/01/2011 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Book of Enoch: Chapter 65 6 ....... concerning those who dwell on the earth that their ruin is accomplished because they have learnt all the secrets of the angels, and all the violence of the Satans, (plural) and all their powers -the most secret ones- and all the power of those who practice sorcery, and the power of witchcraft, and the power of those who make molten images There was more than one Satan!! The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. (Ex 15:3) WAR 2. To be in a state of hostility or rivalry; for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God (Ex 20:5) Jealous 2.a. Resentful or bitter in rivalry; Satans = gods of war. It is only those that are extremely opposite of peace, love and harmony that would be defined as "Satans". ___________ If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
nzreva (OP) User ID: 1063963 United States 07/01/2011 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Numbers 22:22 But God (Elohim) was angry (aph) because he was going, and the angel of the Lord (YHWH) took his stand in the way as an adversary (satan) against him. Now he was riding on his donkey and his two servants were with him. Quoting: nzreva<0639> @a; aph = anger Adversary is not the transliteration it is satan. Look at NAU Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD (YHWH) God (Elohim) formed((yatsar) man of dust from the ground (adamah), and breathed into his nostrils (aph) the breath of life; and man became a living being. aph Meaning: a nostril, nose, face, anger Usage: anger(205), angry(2), angry*(5), before(2), breath(1), countenance(1), double(1), face(15), faces(4), forbearance*(1), ground(1), nose(10), noses(1), nostril(1), nostrils(13), quick-tempered*(1), snout(1), wrath(8), wrath with his anger(1). Root or Origin: from 599 anaph {aw-naf'} Meaning: 1) to be angry, to be displeased, to breathe hard 1a) (Qal) to be angry (of God) 1b) (Hithpael) to be angry (always of God) Genesis 2 Adam was formed (yatsar) out of adamah. Adamah's root is Adam. He breathed into his (anger) nostrils. Which is it anger or nose? What is Adamath, it is not the same as Genesis one Adam who was created (bara).... |
HardTruth User ID: 871434 United States 07/01/2011 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath (anger). Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us. (The Apocalypse of Adam, The Nag Hammadi) ___________ If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
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nzreva (OP) User ID: 1063963 United States 07/01/2011 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath (anger). Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us. (The Apocalypse of Adam, The Nag Hammadi) Quoting: HardTruth___________ If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!! Who are the "us" would that be Genesis 1 Adam. male and female? Gen 2 Adam is the anger (nostrils) formed (Yatsar) |
HardTruth User ID: 871434 United States 07/01/2011 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath (anger). Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us. (The Apocalypse of Adam, The Nag Hammadi) Quoting: HardTruth___________ If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!! Who are the "us" would that be Genesis 1 Adam. male and female? Gen 2 Adam is the anger (nostrils) formed (Yatsar) Well there would have been more than just the one male/female on first Earth, it would've been a whole race of folks destroyed!! The us would've been the narrators of the story, the now two entities of the YHVH's Adam and the Eve!! Is this not in itself a remembrance of a past life, moved from one type of being into another? Where did all the souls of the first race go? You do know the Elohim had soul binding technology, yes? In the Qu'ran there is mention of fearing the ships of the Elohim, called a Naar, for they steal the souls of humans and bind it to their technology as fuel for their ships!! Then fear the Naar whose fuel is men (souls) and stones. (Quran 2:24) The christian scriptures have the same reference!! Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. (Ezek 13:20) ___________ If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!! Last Edited by HardTruth on 07/01/2011 02:12 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1263536 United States 07/01/2011 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Satan is called hasatan in the Hebrew Scriptures ("THE Adversary")... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1263536Numbers 22:22 says satan in Hebrew (lamed) sin tat nun The letter lamed in front of a Hebrew word means "to," "for," "in," etc. Lamed-shin-tet-nun sofeet in Hebrew means "for an adversary." |
nzreva (OP) User ID: 1063963 United States 07/01/2011 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Satan is called hasatan in the Hebrew Scriptures ("THE Adversary")... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1263536Numbers 22:22 says satan in Hebrew (lamed) sin tat nun The letter lamed in front of a Hebrew word means "to," "for," "in," etc. Lamed-shin-tet-nun sofeet in Hebrew means "for an adversary." It is satan in Hebrew and should be transliteraed satan in English |
nzreva (OP) User ID: 1063963 United States 07/01/2011 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath (anger). Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us. (The Apocalypse of Adam, The Nag Hammadi) Quoting: HardTruth___________ If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!! Who are the "us" would that be Genesis 1 Adam. male and female? Gen 2 Adam is the anger (nostrils) formed (Yatsar) Well there would have been more than just the one male/female on first Earth, it would've been a whole race of folks destroyed!! The us would've been the narrators of the story, the now two entities of the YHVH's Adam and the Eve!! Is this not in itself a remembrance of a past life, moved from one type of being into another? Where did all the souls of the first race go? You do know the Elohim had soul binding technology, yes? In the Qu'ran there is mention of fearing the ships of the Elohim, called a Naar, for they steal the souls of humans and bind it to their technology as fuel for their ships!! Then fear the Naar whose fuel is men (souls) and stones. (Quran 2:24) The christian scriptures have the same reference!! Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. (Ezek 13:20) ___________ If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!! One thing at a time. LOL. I don't see Adam male and female created in Genesis 1 having a Chay Nephesh that is a living soul. That means to me if they sinned they would not die. They took care of chay or life for The Elohim. I don't find them again until Genesis 5 They did not have a Cain and Able as Genesis 2 Eva did Cain an ish from YHWH. Not Adam's child/ is that in any other writing? That you know of. Last Edited by NZREva on 07/01/2011 02:18 PM |
HardTruth User ID: 871434 United States 07/01/2011 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath (anger). Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us. (The Apocalypse of Adam, The Nag Hammadi) Quoting: HardTruth___________ If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!! Who are the "us" would that be Genesis 1 Adam. male and female? Gen 2 Adam is the anger (nostrils) formed (Yatsar) Well there would have been more than just the one male/female on first Earth, it would've been a whole race of folks destroyed!! The us would've been the narrators of the story, the now two entities of the YHVH's Adam and the Eve!! Is this not in itself a remembrance of a past life, moved from one type of being into another? Where did all the souls of the first race go? You do know the Elohim had soul binding technology, yes? In the Qu'ran there is mention of fearing the ships of the Elohim, called a Naar, for they steal the souls of humans and bind it to their technology as fuel for their ships!! Then fear the Naar whose fuel is men (souls) and stones. (Quran 2:24) The christian scriptures have the same reference!! Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. (Ezek 13:20) ___________ If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!! One thing at a time. LOL. I don't see Adam male and female created in Genesis 1 having a Chay Nephesh that is a living soul. That means to me if they sinned they would not die. They took care of chay or life for The Elohim. I don't find them again until Genesis 5 They did not have a Cain and Able as Genesis 2 Eva did Cain an ish from YHWH. Not Adam's child/ is that in any other writing? That you know of. Listen to my words, my son Seth. When God had created me out of the earth, along with Eve, your mother, I went about with her in a glory which she had seen in the aeon from which we had come forth. She taught me a word of knowledge of the eternal God. And we resembled the great eternal angels, for we were higher than the god who had created us and the powers with him, whom we did not know. And we resembled the great eternal angels for we were higher than the god (YHVH) who had created us All living things have Nephesh, even insects!! ___________ If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1203482 United States 07/01/2011 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Numbers 22:22 But God (Elohim) was angry (aph) because he was going, and the angel of the Lord (YHWH) took his stand in the way as an adversary (satan) against him. Now he was riding on his donkey and his two servants were with him. Quoting: nzreva<0639> @a; aph = anger Adversary is not the transliteration it is satan. Adversary is a Greek word, not a Hebrew word. |
nzreva (OP) User ID: 1063963 United States 07/01/2011 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Listen to my words, my son Seth. When God had created me out of the earth, along with Eve, your mother, I went about with her in a glory which she had seen in the aeon from which we had come forth. She taught me a word of knowledge of the eternal God. And we resembled the great eternal angels, for we were higher than the god who had created us and the powers with him, whom we did not know. And we resembled the great eternal angels for we were higher than the god (YHVH) who had created us All living things have Nephesh, even insects!! Aionion life is knowing the only true Theos and his son... So Eve. it is saying had a knowing or friendship of the Highest. Eternal should always be translated aion aionion. Aionion angels would have been friends with the Highest. She taught me a word of knowledge from the aionion Theos, or divine, Every day I have clearer understanding. |