"Why do we have to pay to live on a planet that we are born on?"

Remove 'government", insert "King".
Not much has changed in our "modern" society.

Remove even "King" and replace it by many who are looking for a good and secure income.

Remove even "King" and replace it by many who are looking for a good and secure income.

You shouldn't have to, of course. But at least a thread like this brings out the psychopaths who say things like "Get a job, loser!" and "Everyone has to slave for a living!" so that we know who to get rid off and kill off when we create the paradise on this Earth that has been a long time coming.

Not the case in UK. We are trapped in and ireland and nowhere to go.
In UK you pay swage bills even if you live in a forest. If you have a roof over your head and it could be anything, even leaves. The water company claims the water that runs off your roof when raining will be classed as swage water and hence you got to pay.

another info from UK
WE pay direct income tax from 20% to 50%
We pay VAT at 20%
We pay national insurance based on our wages 12%

We pay indirect taxes on Fuel,
We pay tax for cars
We pay tax for TV
We pay Property rates
And many other hidden taxes

If you were to calculate both direct and indirect taxes then it will show that roughly we pay 87% of what we earn in taxes.
That means every 100 pence we earn, government takes 87 pence.

Freedom my ass.

Do you think it's possible to live a productive life without consuming resources? How long do you think those resources will last if we don't have a value/control system in place to manage them?
We shouldn't be required to pay to live on this planet per se but human beings are dynamic not static as is all of creation so we will always find ways of working to raise our personal standards. In doing that we constantly consume resources and a value will have to be placed on these resources commensurate with their available quantities.
In other words, You live, You pay, one way or another.

Some people simply cannot come to grips with the reality that we have every possible resource needed to live among each other free of charge. They refuse to accept it because they are so deep into slavery.

But however, it is time for people like us who understand what is going on in the Universe to ALSO come to grips with the fact that some people WONT accept it. Some people will be left behind, in order to continue living in the hell they have created for themselves. The INTENT you put forth in reality is the OUTCOME you will recieve.

MUCH LOVE AND LIGHT TO ALL!!!

But you fail to mention that those values/control system is being abused.
You come up with a theory that says certain criteria is part of a system and go on thinking that system is providing a service but can't explain as to why people are so unhappy and why the whole system is collapsing.
Well, let me tell you.
The very system you are beating your chest for has been abusing the human beings for years. This is what we don't need and not the system itself.

I never advocated at all for the current exploitative system.
Of course people have been too stupid over the centuries to stand up collectively and demand that their birthright be managed to their benefit. All this thread highlights is the fact that as a group humans up till now have been unable to organize ourselves into cooperatives which will never allow private corporate ownership of the critical resources which we need to function and continue developing.
We have always outnumbered the exploiters. We have just been too unmotivated to assert our ownership and take control. I don't expect that it will remain free of corruption however because there is always an element of the people which will try to use others and gain personal advantage.

Alex is expressing what the Andromedans said to him. To them, just being born on a planet gives you the right to exist. That all your physical needs are met, is a given. They can't fathom our system which makes you indebted the moment you are born. That there are places on our planet of such extreme poverty and starvation and that seems alright with us. That because these poor have nothing to give us, we do nothing for them. The Andromedans can't understand that. No one on their planet would be allowed to suffer like that. There is no expected payment for someone to eat, have medical care or shelter. And no one is treated as 'less than'.

But, we, on the other hand, have not been raised in a world like that. This is all we know. They can't fathom us as we can't fathom them because we have not lived each other's lives. We are use to everything having a price. We are use to classism. We accept that some people live extravagantly, while others suffer. We are taught that some are more deserving than others. We make excuses for our rationnal. "Well if they worked to better their situation, they would have more." etc... We all accept that and see nothing faulty with it because we know no different way.

Alex is presenting a different paradigm to consider. When I first heard that statement years ago, it really made me think.

I have seen all of Alex's information thats available, I know exactly what you mean.

Why not save your amazing reply for someone who doesnt know whats going on? My purpose is to inform people.

The kind israelite people fixed it so and helped to create an extractive capitalist Matrix via the mainly israelite banking system.

We could have built a world based on the amish-like society (everybody works for the best of the society, everything is free) but then it wouldn't make any money if everybody worked together in a sane manner.

Our job is now to make the israelite banker elite limitlessly rich; they have to expand and buy up the whole Universe! lol

The system that Alex is describing is part of a social structure which cannot exist at this time on Earth because too few of the people here are doing the type of non-dogma based spiritual practices which give people over time the sense that the pain of one is the pain of all, and the pleasure of one is the pleasure of all.
Comparing the Andromedans to us here is like comparing us to blueberry bushes. Too much evolutionary separation. However humans are sufficiently empathetic and there is hope as long as we overcome the ridiculous tendency to let our minds be tricked into thinking that some people are somehow better than others.

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On a deeper level I believe that we humans are screwed beyond belief because of alien/demonic interference.

I don't believe in the dogma that we HAVE TO suffer so that we improve our spirit...but unfortunately some powerful negative entities (together with their servants, the fallen ones) decided to (genetically) enslave Humanity (downgrading the DNA) so that Humanity can serve as FREE WORK FORCE and SEXUAL SLAVES while Humanity also act as emotionel battery releasing charge via hard work for nothing and via bestialistic suffering...

Remember that the Elite usualy doesn't have to work or pay for anything because THEY print your money...

I wasn't trying to imply that you didn't know this. I was just adding on to what you said because we are thinking on similar lines. My reply was for anyone reading this thread. Sorry, I won't quote next time.

There were periods in History when humans didn't have to pay...or they could easily get the "money" (beans, shells, stones) that they needed.
When humans lived in tribes it was important that everybody was fit for fight and also they worked and together and shared everything; they were also polygamic and raised the kids together and so on...a long story, really.

Let's continue to feed the bankers...they also have to eat! lol

Oh alright, my apologies. I hope I didnt seem agitated or controlling because that isnt my intention at all.

Yes, indeed, we would have a completely different consciousness if we were able to visit another advanced race of beings and see how they live. Right now, we know no other way to live except for the current paradigm of our 'prisonplanet' existence. We assume this is somehow 'normal' because we know nothing else.

Eridu

THIS


Lions pay 'taxes' by the amount of labor they put in hunting their prey, they pay debts by dying if they refuse to work.

Look at every life form around you, it is 'paying' into the system of life, and if it refuses to pay, there is 'debt' (death).

You both need to realize the full reality of the veils you are casting upon yourselves. The human conditioning that is forced upon us at birth is hard to overcome, but when you realize that you have had lives before the one you are living, it becomes more and more obvious that a monetary system is a complete joke and means of stopping our evolution.

Well said.

As a carnivore, the same should be said of us, our payment to the world is the energy we use hunting our prey.


A message to the establishment...

Fuck You!

Message Ends.


If I want to go kill my own food and eat it, rather than go to work, too earn bits of paper, to buy your food and pay your taxes then I damn well will.

But some, it would seem accept their bondage as if its too be welcomed. Fucking idiots...

Your a shallow dumb ass. You need land and water to provide for yourself and family given to you for free by God. Government forces you to pay for it until death.

As a FEMALE who has studied this issue a lot because females are forced to be slaves, married or trafficked, in ways that are never ending hells, stripped of our defense

where as, in Nature, female animals DO HAVE DEFENSE, IN MOST KINGDOMS,

so it was there [in contrast to the lies of occult-religion] THAT I began to question, a lot...

yes, all things have to output for energy, animals do hunt [and btw, male lions are fucking lazy, it's the Female lions who do most the hunting, FACT--maybe why religious men have always referred to male lions as their 'basis' for creating their JEWEL-MINERAL MINING AKA MA SONS SLAVERY but anyway, animal kingdoms vary, some are matriarchal, some are violent, some are peaceful, some are class [snow monkeys] etc., now as to What they COPY FROM HUMAN BEHAVIOR, such as the primates, hard to say--

bottlenose dolphins rape and are horrid, HOWEVER, is that natural or is that in response to the resources and centuries of dolphin hunting/tuna with dolphins in nets that has somehow CORRUPTED THEM?]

hard to say

but animals, yes work, they hunt, but some DIFFERENCES

1. animals only take what they need, they do not hoard in vast amounts and when they kill, they kill quick [usually, exceptions]

2. animals do not torture and set up prison systems for those animals that don't hunt as well, insects included, etc., nor do they 'tax' other animals, in many animal kingdoms they either take CARE of the weaker ones if they can get well OR they leave them to die, but it's in no way in the cruel and Sadistic way that humans do, esp human men.

3. animals with the exceptions where their environment has been corrupted by HUMANS do not rape and kill their own children, that's a human exceptional behavior

4. animals don't MIND CONTROL through sacrifices, religions and sex slavery

5. animals don't MINE THE EARTH AND LEAVE ONE GIANT MESS like human gov and religions do, animals don't WEAR jewels or use them in sorcery--that's another HUMAN SPECIALITY

6. animals don't enslave half of their kingdom while others just park it...

7. animals operate on magnetics [instinct] including Female animals who WILL FIGHT AND KILL MALES WHO ATTEMPT TO HARM CHILDREN, eg Bears, female lions, they don't 'submit' and worship the phallic like human women WHO HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED, THE FIRST

SLAVES--BY RELIGIONS AND OCCULT [THEY ARE THE SAME, by WHO, that is the question eh?]

8. animals live in their native habitat and don't leave them, for example, Lions don't travel to live in the ocean and take advantage of resources there--to HOARD AND CONTROL THEM, ESPECIALLY FOR 'MINING MINERALS, ELEMENTS AND JEWELS', that's a HUMAN SPECIALITY

9. animals and their habitats and plant foods have all been created to EXACTLY MEET THEIR NEEDS, they do not have to CREATE THEM,

where as, humans have had too-why IS that?

and it's the same with ocean life, air life [birds] and earth life, both above ground and under ground,

not only that, ANIMALS, EARTH ARE ALL LINKED ECOLOGICAL ON A TYPE OF CHAIN, eg., like crochet, mess with one and you mess with all

AND they seem to know this

it's HUMANS, who don't seem to know this--AND WHY IS THAT?

Humans, beginning with the Demonizing and Enslaving of women, in no doubt,

were created or invaded or sent here, to be SLAVES

by beings or by Evil men who had the power to sit and OBSERVE and figure out how to manipulate others--who made themselves 'gods' or what have you

or beings?

but regardless, one thing is obvious

THEY HAD AND STILL HAVE NO LOVE FOR HUMANS, ESP WOMEN-CHILDREN [LOOK AT THE CONGO] THEY BLOOD SACRIFICE

FOR JEWELS AND MINERALS AND ELEMENTS AND ALWAYS HAVE SINCE ZAGROS MOUNTAINS

and STILL ARE

follow the JEWEL TRAIL, which is EL E MEN T S. is T for left/right middle of BRAIN?

Gold, Carbon-Diamonds, Rubies [slave/sex slaves Sri Lanka], Bolivia, Zagros, why Afghanistan, think those underground tunnels are just from hiding--no, MINING, read they are related to guess who

SUMERIANS

no wonder the Brits wanted them and the West and the East,

Animals don't do this shit

nor do insects, plants

but Animals are ALSO VIOLATED, TORTURED, AND USED IN HORRIBLE WAYS

SO THE CREATORS DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THEM EITHER

or this EARTH

or US

"Really think about it, think about what we've done and what our history has been.... we've been to this place so many times before, and we still havent gotten it right.. and we're still not gonna get it right unless we do it as a race and just cut out all the crap. Right now we have an opportuinty, there is a window of time for us to break free.. and we have to wake up, PERIOD."

damn hard to exist without money on this world unless you live in the amazon rain forest. We have to give up money, we will never be free people until we do. this planet has been owned by thugs and it's time to say no. we must also learn to live within the balance of nature. Man is not superior to nature, at all.

But we do NOT NEED MONEY to create a paradise here. And if we went higher in our ways in light, our work in time for maintenance would decrease to 2-3 hours a day, even less is possible.

Stop filing stop paying. If you are an employee go to your HR department and check to box exempt on your w-4 form for your income tax. They will stop withholding. Remember you are only as free as you are willing to be. Good thing take courage but after you finally decouple from their system you will feel freedom like you've never felt before. Being a slave is not fun.