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Christians, let's get on the same page - Proof from Jesus that Hell is not Eternal

 
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Hello,

Thanks for your reply. What mistake are you referring to?

If you are asking me (a man) to understand the mysteries of God. I am going to come up woefully short neighbor.

Does God speak of place of eternal fire. Scripture does indeed.

Does God make mistakes? I suspect each man will come to his own conclusion.

Does God tell us who's name is written in the book of Life? I cannot find such things in scripture.

Thanks for reading my humble view.

peace,
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No friend; I wasn't clear. A mistake on our part that could lead to the second death. Whether that mistake is not believing in Jesus; or whatever, I'm asking if the punishment fits the crime? Believe me; I had a hard time with this at first because I was raised that most everyone, including other Church's like the one I went too, were missing the mark and all going to burn in Hell.

There is a verse; please help, a verse that talks about man wishing he was never born if he entered the outer darkness? Wouldn't just being in Hell, make one wish that?
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


Thanks for your reply,

It appears that there is a crossroad of 'free will' and 'predestination'. I cannot settle this debate for another sufficiently. But I encourage each man do his own study and come to his own conclusion. IMHO, these topics lead to contention and strife within public circles and even within the body.

But the body is not called to striving. I read that the body is called to proclaim the gospel message. This is the commission given within scripture. That message is encouraged to be publicly spoken of.

peace,
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Agreed. I was led to share. Which is why I did. God Bless you my friend. hf
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


Thank you for sharing your views and for reading mine.

Blessings and prayers for you.

peace,
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It drives me crazy that people think that Hell is Eternal Torture. It makes people not accept Christianity because some folks actually get excited about people burning forever and ever.

I believed the same thing before, but not anymore. If you're willing to invest 15-20 minutes I can prove it yo you through the Bible. Links coming.

" God calls the state of the ungodly the “second death.” But we presume to edit God and tell people they will not really die, but that they will live on in constant agony and torture. Jesus clearly taught us to “not be afraid of those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL” (Matthew 10:28). Jesus uses the word “destroy.” We correct him, as well as God and the Holy Spirit, and substitute the words “live on and on and on.” Whom shall students of God’s word believe? God’s word even makes a distinction between the soul and the body and hints that we need to fear the God who can “destroy” both. He didn’t say to “fear him who can torment and torture the soul and/or body.” He didn’t say to “fear him who can inflict pain to the soul and/or body unendingly without mercy.”
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


There is no "hell" and there is no "heaven"..idiots

hell, the bible and every religion on earth now and in the past were/are nothing more than the creations of men, men that sought power and rule over the dumbest of mankind.

You have to be some kind of "special stupid" to believe a shred of religious BS
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 933188


You got a big surprise coming up someday. You won't have eternal punishment though. Just lights out. Thats the point of this whole thread. You made a mistake, so lights out for you.
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


clappa Now you have the hang of it!! To the point!! No ambiguity, Lights out. No more!!
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Eternal Hell is a lie.. Why would a 'Just God' punish us for the bad we have done in a short lifetime, eternally.

I wouldn't worship such a God.
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I wish more people could wrap their hands around the very simple logic here. Could you really enjoy being in Heaven while you friends, relatives were being tormented, cruellyhf, forever and ever. Good on you brother or sister
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


That is a loaded question

My first thought is--regarding your relatives-- if you have done what God commissioned you to do--spread the "Good News", then they have been presented with a choice to accept or deny. God doesn't send them there, they send themselves there.

They have free will just as the rest of us, they chose not to believe. My friend is going through this very thing right now with her dying father. He is being stubborn and does not want to talk about things of God, as he lies on his death bed, but she continues to find ways to talk to her dad about the prospects of his future. I spoke with her Tuesday and it appears that his heart is softening.

The whole point is everyone is given the choice to believe in what God says is the way to eternal life. When they don't believe, they have sealed their owned destiny.

Many bring up the point of the day of Noah. If you are Christian you believe in that, right? How could a loving God rid the world of all those people, babies and all?
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It drives me crazy that people think that Hell is Eternal Torture. It makes people not accept Christianity because some folks actually get excited about people burning forever and ever.

I believed the same thing before, but not anymore. If you're willing to invest 15-20 minutes I can prove it yo you through the Bible. Links coming.

" God calls the state of the ungodly the “second death.” But we presume to edit God and tell people they will not really die, but that they will live on in constant agony and torture. Jesus clearly taught us to “not be afraid of those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL” (Matthew 10:28). Jesus uses the word “destroy.” We correct him, as well as God and the Holy Spirit, and substitute the words “live on and on and on.” Whom shall students of God’s word believe? God’s word even makes a distinction between the soul and the body and hints that we need to fear the God who can “destroy” both. He didn’t say to “fear him who can torment and torture the soul and/or body.” He didn’t say to “fear him who can inflict pain to the soul and/or body unendingly without mercy.”
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


There is no "hell" and there is no "heaven"..idiots

hell, the bible and every religion on earth now and in the past were/are nothing more than the creations of men, men that sought power and rule over the dumbest of mankind.

You have to be some kind of "special stupid" to believe a shred of religious BS
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 933188


You got a big surprise coming up someday. You won't have eternal punishment though. Just lights out. Thats the point of this whole thread. You made a mistake, so lights out for you.
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


clappa Now you have the hang of it!! To the point!! No ambiguity, Lights out. No more!!
 Quoting: mr2


Really, thanks for your help! peace
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Whatever your celebrating I hope you folks have a great weekend. I'll keep checking on the thread this weekend; but will be away for a while.
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Is there one single Scripture...
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees



10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
...15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20)




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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


MAC, no there is not. There is no lake of fire and brimstone. but the "devil" in each less than perfected soul, must be cast aside as the soul grows. Those of you who push Hell fire, eternal damnation with GLEE, and some of you do, still have a lot of antichrist within you. Those of you who will become written into the BOOK OF LIFE, are those who will FUSE with their FATHER FRAGMENT, which means you will have learned enough and have chosen in reality the eternal journey. Until you FUSE with your FATHEr FRagment, HIS MIND and YOUR MIND come together into ONE, your eternal life is but a promise on faith. AFTER the fusion you are IN FACT an ETERNAL SON of the FATHER. Until then you are a "faith son", and there are those who are going to continue to reject their rehabilitation and who will chose uncreation. There is NO LAKE OF FIRE, that is an old false belief simply added to the New Testament. I seem to recall it's part of the old belief system of those whose history is loosely recorded in the Old testament.

the Old testament records the history of a small people in a small portion of the world at that time, who were very confused about GOD. The world was populated generously on all continents during the times of the old testament. And most of them were not nearly as confused as those peoples about God.

the "american" indians for example were in far better shape. Greece was doing so badly though, it was the Hebrews who were so confused, having lost their knowledge . These ones were a race formed for exactly 3 survivors of a crash landing, from a planet called Hebra. Thus "hebrew." ONE man and Two women who were his wives, begat a new race in that area. They crash landed in western russia, everyone killed but them and they migrated to the warmer territory currently called Israel. Their progeny lost the teachings of their elders. The LORD GOD in parts of the old testament are in fact people from another planet, often also labeled Jehovah because the name of the planet sounds like that. Yep Jehovah God folks, is a PLANET. Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT LIKE TO BE TOLD THAT by the way, believe me I tried it more than once when they have come to visit. Last time they left in a big huff, because I would not call "God" by his real name Jehovah. Yea ones are so small sometimes! SO PETTY. The FATHER Creator, First Source, is called FATHER in whatever language. I believe that is Padre in Spanish and Italian.

"Jesus" came specially to that area to attempt to reteach those peoples, and it failed miserably in many ways. Yea ones are chasing after the book of a confused people begat from one man and two women. Ponder that one. there is truth in it, but there is more falsehood than truth. The lie of the Chosen People simply is a lie. but these descendants were helped by those from Thiaoouba (Jehovah), who lead them out of egypt, and yes they saw the craft, dropped Manna , a very nutritious food using during space travel in particular, and led thru the parted REED sea. These ones also fried Sodom and Gomorrah and gave Moses the commandments which were a total of 20.

There was no "burning bush" beloveds. There was however people on a craft who engraved the tablets and Moses knew who they were. You ones are following the confusion, very nicely, the BLING produced by the blind leading the blind.
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Is there one single Scripture...
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees



10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
...15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20)




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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


MAC, no there is not.
 Quoting: Nobody in Particular




Mac?




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Is there one single Scripture...
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees



10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
...15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20)




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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


MAC, no there is not.
 Quoting: Nobody in Particular




Mac?




?
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


I think NIP is referring to me.
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The argument for noneternal hell is really quite simple. It's all a load of crap.

All religion can be boiled down to:
"Buy our tickets to invisible heaven or go to invisible hell"
How can anyone fall for that obvious a scam?
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The argument for noneternal hell is really quite simple. It's all a load of crap.

All religion can be boiled down to:
"Buy our tickets to invisible heaven or go to invisible hell"
How can anyone fall for that obvious a scam?

 Quoting: Fine Material


Spoken so eloquently, wtf
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For those who think I'm trying to deceive; like the chick track lady who's post I deleted I will say this. I could be wrong; but so could you. This is what feels right in my heart. Could hell be eternal; yes, I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
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From the beginning of time men have worshiped all manner of Idols and Gods..amazingly, as soon as there is no one left to believe, the Gods and idols loose their powers and cease to exist.

Due to the FACT that there are no Gods. PREIOD
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You got the first part exactly right, but not the second part. Joseph Smith didn't write the Book of Mormon all on his own - he got the input from the other side, false as it is.
Mankind has always been influenced by beings from other dimensions and realms, good and bad.
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Is there one single Scripture...
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees



10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
...15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20)




.
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


MAC, no there is not. There is no lake of fire and brimstone. but the "devil" in each less than perfected soul, must be cast aside as the soul grows. Those of you who push Hell fire, eternal damnation with GLEE, and some of you do, still have a lot of antichrist within you. Those of you who will become written into the BOOK OF LIFE, are those who will FUSE with their FATHER FRAGMENT, which means you will have learned enough and have chosen in reality the eternal journey. Until you FUSE with your FATHEr FRagment, HIS MIND and YOUR MIND come together into ONE, your eternal life is but a promise on faith. AFTER the fusion you are IN FACT an ETERNAL SON of the FATHER. Until then you are a "faith son", and there are those who are going to continue to reject their rehabilitation and who will chose uncreation. There is NO LAKE OF FIRE, that is an old false belief simply added to the New Testament. I seem to recall it's part of the old belief system of those whose history is loosely recorded in the Old testament.

the Old testament records the history of a small people in a small portion of the world at that time, who were very confused about GOD. The world was populated generously on all continents during the times of the old testament. And most of them were not nearly as confused as those peoples about God.

the "american" indians for example were in far better shape. Greece was doing so badly though, it was the Hebrews who were so confused, having lost their knowledge . These ones were a race formed for exactly 3 survivors of a crash landing, from a planet called Hebra. Thus "hebrew." ONE man and Two women who were his wives, begat a new race in that area. They crash landed in western russia, everyone killed but them and they migrated to the warmer territory currently called Israel. Their progeny lost the teachings of their elders. The LORD GOD in parts of the old testament are in fact people from another planet, often also labeled Jehovah because the name of the planet sounds like that. Yep Jehovah God folks, is a PLANET. Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT LIKE TO BE TOLD THAT by the way, believe me I tried it more than once when they have come to visit. Last time they left in a big huff, because I would not call "God" by his real name Jehovah. Yea ones are so small sometimes! SO PETTY. The FATHER Creator, First Source, is called FATHER in whatever language. I believe that is Padre in Spanish and Italian.

"Jesus" came specially to that area to attempt to reteach those peoples, and it failed miserably in many ways. Yea ones are chasing after the book of a confused people begat from one man and two women. Ponder that one. there is truth in it, but there is more falsehood than truth. The lie of the Chosen People simply is a lie. but these descendants were helped by those from Thiaoouba (Jehovah), who lead them out of egypt, and yes they saw the craft, dropped Manna , a very nutritious food using during space travel in particular, and led thru the parted REED sea. These ones also fried Sodom and Gomorrah and gave Moses the commandments which were a total of 20.

There was no "burning bush" beloveds. There was however people on a craft who engraved the tablets and Moses knew who they were. You ones are following the confusion, very nicely, the BLING produced by the blind leading the blind.
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Hey OP I rest my casecoffee4. Good night and I look forward to meeting you again in another thread. The fact that I am looking in these threads means I could be saved, but you will have to pray for a miracle(miracles, maybe your next subject?)iwish
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Is there one single Scripture...
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees



10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
...15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20)




.
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


MAC, no there is not. There is no lake of fire and brimstone. but the "devil" in each less than perfected soul, must be cast aside as the soul grows. Those of you who push Hell fire, eternal damnation with GLEE, and some of you do, still have a lot of antichrist within you. Those of you who will become written into the BOOK OF LIFE, are those who will FUSE with their FATHER FRAGMENT, which means you will have learned enough and have chosen in reality the eternal journey. Until you FUSE with your FATHEr FRagment, HIS MIND and YOUR MIND come together into ONE, your eternal life is but a promise on faith. AFTER the fusion you are IN FACT an ETERNAL SON of the FATHER. Until then you are a "faith son", and there are those who are going to continue to reject their rehabilitation and who will chose uncreation. There is NO LAKE OF FIRE, that is an old false belief simply added to the New Testament. I seem to recall it's part of the old belief system of those whose history is loosely recorded in the Old testament.

the Old testament records the history of a small people in a small portion of the world at that time, who were very confused about GOD. The world was populated generously on all continents during the times of the old testament. And most of them were not nearly as confused as those peoples about God.

the "american" indians for example were in far better shape. Greece was doing so badly though, it was the Hebrews who were so confused, having lost their knowledge . These ones were a race formed for exactly 3 survivors of a crash landing, from a planet called Hebra. Thus "hebrew." ONE man and Two women who were his wives, begat a new race in that area. They crash landed in western russia, everyone killed but them and they migrated to the warmer territory currently called Israel. Their progeny lost the teachings of their elders. The LORD GOD in parts of the old testament are in fact people from another planet, often also labeled Jehovah because the name of the planet sounds like that. Yep Jehovah God folks, is a PLANET. Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT LIKE TO BE TOLD THAT by the way, believe me I tried it more than once when they have come to visit. Last time they left in a big huff, because I would not call "God" by his real name Jehovah. Yea ones are so small sometimes! SO PETTY. The FATHER Creator, First Source, is called FATHER in whatever language. I believe that is Padre in Spanish and Italian.

"Jesus" came specially to that area to attempt to reteach those peoples, and it failed miserably in many ways. Yea ones are chasing after the book of a confused people begat from one man and two women. Ponder that one. there is truth in it, but there is more falsehood than truth. The lie of the Chosen People simply is a lie. but these descendants were helped by those from Thiaoouba (Jehovah), who lead them out of egypt, and yes they saw the craft, dropped Manna , a very nutritious food using during space travel in particular, and led thru the parted REED sea. These ones also fried Sodom and Gomorrah and gave Moses the commandments which were a total of 20.

There was no "burning bush" beloveds. There was however people on a craft who engraved the tablets and Moses knew who they were. You ones are following the confusion, very nicely, the BLING produced by the blind leading the blind.
 Quoting: Nobody in Particular


Hey OP I rest my casecoffee4. Good night and I look forward to meeting you again in another thread. The fact that I am looking in these threads means I could be saved, but you will have to pray for a miracle(miracles, maybe your next subject?)iwish
 Quoting: mr2


I'm doing a fast this week. I'll pray for you then, when I'm closer connected. With your permission!
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Hello clan of the clan this is really lopsided on a free decision of other views..it is quits hammering only one nail...

Lets have another little slice of the big pie

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Eternal Hell is a lie.. Why would a 'Just God' punish us for the bad we have done in a short lifetime, eternally.

I wouldn't worship such a God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1450629


I wish more people could wrap their hands around the very simple logic here. Could you really enjoy being in Heaven while you friends, relatives were being tormented, cruellyhf, forever and ever. Good on you brother or sister
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


+1
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Hello clan of the clan this is really lopsided on a free decision of other views..it is quits hammering only one nail...

Lets have another little slice of the big pie


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I've seen this before. I like what he says in the opening. It's very easy to be an Atheist when you're successful. It's very hard to be an Atheist on your death bed.
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10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
...15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20)




.
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


MAC, no there is not. There is no lake of fire and brimstone. but the "devil" in each less than perfected soul, must be cast aside as the soul grows. Those of you who push Hell fire, eternal damnation with GLEE, and some of you do, still have a lot of antichrist within you. Those of you who will become written into the BOOK OF LIFE, are those who will FUSE with their FATHER FRAGMENT, which means you will have learned enough and have chosen in reality the eternal journey. Until you FUSE with your FATHEr FRagment, HIS MIND and YOUR MIND come together into ONE, your eternal life is but a promise on faith. AFTER the fusion you are IN FACT an ETERNAL SON of the FATHER. Until then you are a "faith son", and there are those who are going to continue to reject their rehabilitation and who will chose uncreation. There is NO LAKE OF FIRE, that is an old false belief simply added to the New Testament. I seem to recall it's part of the old belief system of those whose history is loosely recorded in the Old testament.

the Old testament records the history of a small people in a small portion of the world at that time, who were very confused about GOD. The world was populated generously on all continents during the times of the old testament. And most of them were not nearly as confused as those peoples about God.

the "american" indians for example were in far better shape. Greece was doing so badly though, it was the Hebrews who were so confused, having lost their knowledge . These ones were a race formed for exactly 3 survivors of a crash landing, from a planet called Hebra. Thus "hebrew." ONE man and Two women who were his wives, begat a new race in that area. They crash landed in western russia, everyone killed but them and they migrated to the warmer territory currently called Israel. Their progeny lost the teachings of their elders. The LORD GOD in parts of the old testament are in fact people from another planet, often also labeled Jehovah because the name of the planet sounds like that. Yep Jehovah God folks, is a PLANET. Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT LIKE TO BE TOLD THAT by the way, believe me I tried it more than once when they have come to visit. Last time they left in a big huff, because I would not call "God" by his real name Jehovah. Yea ones are so small sometimes! SO PETTY. The FATHER Creator, First Source, is called FATHER in whatever language. I believe that is Padre in Spanish and Italian.

"Jesus" came specially to that area to attempt to reteach those peoples, and it failed miserably in many ways. Yea ones are chasing after the book of a confused people begat from one man and two women. Ponder that one. there is truth in it, but there is more falsehood than truth. The lie of the Chosen People simply is a lie. but these descendants were helped by those from Thiaoouba (Jehovah), who lead them out of egypt, and yes they saw the craft, dropped Manna , a very nutritious food using during space travel in particular, and led thru the parted REED sea. These ones also fried Sodom and Gomorrah and gave Moses the commandments which were a total of 20.

There was no "burning bush" beloveds. There was however people on a craft who engraved the tablets and Moses knew who they were. You ones are following the confusion, very nicely, the BLING produced by the blind leading the blind.
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Hey OP I rest my casecoffee4. Good night and I look forward to meeting you again in another thread. The fact that I am looking in these threads means I could be saved, but you will have to pray for a miracle(miracles, maybe your next subject?)iwish
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I'm doing a fast this week. I'll pray for you then, when I'm closer connected. With your permission!
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


Yes you have my permission, I was a Chef in my own restaurant and will be cooking blueberry pancakes with maple syrup and kiwi fruit with home made strawberry ice-cream for my wifes birthday breakfast. Maybe temptation would be a better topic for your next post?
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what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and loose his soul? even if you gain all people as your happiness what would it profit you if it means loosing your soul by calling God unjust and choosing them over God?


Any man that will not leave his home of family for Christ is not worthy of Christ?

What man would call the judgments of God unjust or for that fact even the law of God or the Word of God?

If he said come out of this city and don't look back while it is being desolated with fire and all burned up in it would look back?

Is it worth it?.....No
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MAC, no there is not. There is no lake of fire and brimstone. but the "devil" in each less than perfected soul, must be cast aside as the soul grows. Those of you who push Hell fire, eternal damnation with GLEE, and some of you do, still have a lot of antichrist within you. Those of you who will become written into the BOOK OF LIFE, are those who will FUSE with their FATHER FRAGMENT, which means you will have learned enough and have chosen in reality the eternal journey. Until you FUSE with your FATHEr FRagment, HIS MIND and YOUR MIND come together into ONE, your eternal life is but a promise on faith. AFTER the fusion you are IN FACT an ETERNAL SON of the FATHER. Until then you are a "faith son", and there are those who are going to continue to reject their rehabilitation and who will chose uncreation. There is NO LAKE OF FIRE, that is an old false belief simply added to the New Testament. I seem to recall it's part of the old belief system of those whose history is loosely recorded in the Old testament.

the Old testament records the history of a small people in a small portion of the world at that time, who were very confused about GOD. The world was populated generously on all continents during the times of the old testament. And most of them were not nearly as confused as those peoples about God.

the "american" indians for example were in far better shape. Greece was doing so badly though, it was the Hebrews who were so confused, having lost their knowledge . These ones were a race formed for exactly 3 survivors of a crash landing, from a planet called Hebra. Thus "hebrew." ONE man and Two women who were his wives, begat a new race in that area. They crash landed in western russia, everyone killed but them and they migrated to the warmer territory currently called Israel. Their progeny lost the teachings of their elders. The LORD GOD in parts of the old testament are in fact people from another planet, often also labeled Jehovah because the name of the planet sounds like that. Yep Jehovah God folks, is a PLANET. Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT LIKE TO BE TOLD THAT by the way, believe me I tried it more than once when they have come to visit. Last time they left in a big huff, because I would not call "God" by his real name Jehovah. Yea ones are so small sometimes! SO PETTY. The FATHER Creator, First Source, is called FATHER in whatever language. I believe that is Padre in Spanish and Italian.

"Jesus" came specially to that area to attempt to reteach those peoples, and it failed miserably in many ways. Yea ones are chasing after the book of a confused people begat from one man and two women. Ponder that one. there is truth in it, but there is more falsehood than truth. The lie of the Chosen People simply is a lie. but these descendants were helped by those from Thiaoouba (Jehovah), who lead them out of egypt, and yes they saw the craft, dropped Manna , a very nutritious food using during space travel in particular, and led thru the parted REED sea. These ones also fried Sodom and Gomorrah and gave Moses the commandments which were a total of 20.

There was no "burning bush" beloveds. There was however people on a craft who engraved the tablets and Moses knew who they were. You ones are following the confusion, very nicely, the BLING produced by the blind leading the blind.
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Hey OP I rest my casecoffee4. Good night and I look forward to meeting you again in another thread. The fact that I am looking in these threads means I could be saved, but you will have to pray for a miracle(miracles, maybe your next subject?)iwish
 Quoting: mr2


I'm doing a fast this week. I'll pray for you then, when I'm closer connected. With your permission!
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


Yes you have my permission, I was a Chef in my own restaurant and will be cooking blueberry pancakes with maple syrup and kiwi fruit with home made strawberry ice-cream for my wifes birthday breakfast. Maybe temptation would be a better topic for your next post?
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My own twin brother is not worth calling God unjust nor removing his Word.....no it is not worth it to me not even for my brother?
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How bout' this to.
"The punishment for sin is DEATH" Not eternal torture, but death.
"For whoever believes shall not PERISH but have ETERNAL life."


God is very literally when he says the punishment for sin, is death. He proved this in the old testament. Hell, may just be our "waiting" place till god judges, who knows. However, God again makes the distinctions between "hell" and the "Lake of fire". The lake of fire IS a torturing place built for satan and his minions. Why would God build 2 laces for torture when satan and his minions are already in one (hell)? Why is it that the lake of fire is opened up only twice if it's just another hell? Whats so special about it?
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My own twin brother is not worth calling God unjust nor removing his Word.....no it is not worth it to me not even for my brother?
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Not sure what you are saying. There is evidence in the book to support both positions. I'm telling you what I think, I do not believe this to be a salvation issue, one way or another. Blessings!
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How bout' this to.
"The punishment for sin is DEATH" Not eternal torture, but death.
"For whoever believes shall not PERISH but have ETERNAL life."


God is very literally when he says the punishment for sin, is death. He proved this in the old testament. Hell, may just be our "waiting" place till god judges, who knows. However, God again makes the distinctions between "hell" and the "Lake of fire". The lake of fire IS a torturing place built for satan and his minions. Why would God build 2 laces for torture when satan and his minions are already in one (hell)? Why is it that the lake of fire is opened up only twice if it's just another hell? Whats so special about it?
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applause2
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It drives me crazy that people think that Hell is Eternal Torture. It makes people not accept Christianity because some folks actually get excited about people burning forever and ever.

I believed the same thing before, but not anymore. If you're willing to invest 15-20 minutes I can prove it yo you through the Bible. Links coming.

" God calls the state of the ungodly the “second death.” But we presume to edit God and tell people they will not really die, but that they will live on in constant agony and torture. Jesus clearly taught us to “not be afraid of those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL” (Matthew 10:28). Jesus uses the word “destroy.” We correct him, as well as God and the Holy Spirit, and substitute the words “live on and on and on.” Whom shall students of God’s word believe? God’s word even makes a distinction between the soul and the body and hints that we need to fear the God who can “destroy” both. He didn’t say to “fear him who can torment and torture the soul and/or body.” He didn’t say to “fear him who can inflict pain to the soul and/or body unendingly without mercy.”
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


The OP is lying to people here. Pay attention OP

Revelation

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Notice ..... the lake of fire burns forever and ever and hell is cast into the lake of fire.

Hell is like the local police dept's holding cell UNTIL a person is transported to the JAIL.

Hell is real, but it is only a temporary holding cell until a person is thrown into the lake of fire.

Pay attention OP, because this is for you

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

When these lying disinfo agents start spewing their garbage, seek the truth in the King James Bible. I recommend this FREE Bible software [link to www.e-sword.net]

The King James Bible is God's Word. Avoid the newer versions.
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MAC, no there is not. There is no lake of fire and brimstone. but the "devil" in each less than perfected soul, must be cast aside as the soul grows. Those of you who push Hell fire, eternal damnation with GLEE, and some of you do, still have a lot of antichrist within you. Those of you who will become written into the BOOK OF LIFE, are those who will FUSE with their FATHER FRAGMENT, which means you will have learned enough and have chosen in reality the eternal journey. Until you FUSE with your FATHEr FRagment, HIS MIND and YOUR MIND come together into ONE, your eternal life is but a promise on faith. AFTER the fusion you are IN FACT an ETERNAL SON of the FATHER. Until then you are a "faith son", and there are those who are going to continue to reject their rehabilitation and who will chose uncreation. There is NO LAKE OF FIRE, that is an old false belief simply added to the New Testament. I seem to recall it's part of the old belief system of those whose history is loosely recorded in the Old testament.

the Old testament records the history of a small people in a small portion of the world at that time, who were very confused about GOD. The world was populated generously on all continents during the times of the old testament. And most of them were not nearly as confused as those peoples about God.

the "american" indians for example were in far better shape. Greece was doing so badly though, it was the Hebrews who were so confused, having lost their knowledge . These ones were a race formed for exactly 3 survivors of a crash landing, from a planet called Hebra. Thus "hebrew." ONE man and Two women who were his wives, begat a new race in that area. They crash landed in western russia, everyone killed but them and they migrated to the warmer territory currently called Israel. Their progeny lost the teachings of their elders. The LORD GOD in parts of the old testament are in fact people from another planet, often also labeled Jehovah because the name of the planet sounds like that. Yep Jehovah God folks, is a PLANET. Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT LIKE TO BE TOLD THAT by the way, believe me I tried it more than once when they have come to visit. Last time they left in a big huff, because I would not call "God" by his real name Jehovah. Yea ones are so small sometimes! SO PETTY. The FATHER Creator, First Source, is called FATHER in whatever language. I believe that is Padre in Spanish and Italian.

"Jesus" came specially to that area to attempt to reteach those peoples, and it failed miserably in many ways. Yea ones are chasing after the book of a confused people begat from one man and two women. Ponder that one. there is truth in it, but there is more falsehood than truth. The lie of the Chosen People simply is a lie. but these descendants were helped by those from Thiaoouba (Jehovah), who lead them out of egypt, and yes they saw the craft, dropped Manna , a very nutritious food using during space travel in particular, and led thru the parted REED sea. These ones also fried Sodom and Gomorrah and gave Moses the commandments which were a total of 20.

There was no "burning bush" beloveds. There was however people on a craft who engraved the tablets and Moses knew who they were. You ones are following the confusion, very nicely, the BLING produced by the blind leading the blind.
 Quoting: Nobody in Particular


Hey OP I rest my casecoffee4. Good night and I look forward to meeting you again in another thread. The fact that I am looking in these threads means I could be saved, but you will have to pray for a miracle(miracles, maybe your next subject?)iwish
 Quoting: mr2


I'm doing a fast this week. I'll pray for you then, when I'm closer connected. With your permission!
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


Yes you have my permission, I was a Chef in my own restaurant and will be cooking blueberry pancakes with maple syrup and kiwi fruit with home made strawberry ice-cream for my wifes birthday breakfast. Maybe temptation would be a better topic for your next post?
 Quoting: mr2


OMG! You ARE a good husband, sir! That sounds scrumptious!
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It drives me crazy that people think that Hell is Eternal Torture. It makes people not accept Christianity because some folks actually get excited about people burning forever and ever.

I believed the same thing before, but not anymore. If you're willing to invest 15-20 minutes I can prove it yo you through the Bible. Links coming.

" God calls the state of the ungodly the “second death.” But we presume to edit God and tell people they will not really die, but that they will live on in constant agony and torture. Jesus clearly taught us to “not be afraid of those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL” (Matthew 10:28). Jesus uses the word “destroy.” We correct him, as well as God and the Holy Spirit, and substitute the words “live on and on and on.” Whom shall students of God’s word believe? God’s word even makes a distinction between the soul and the body and hints that we need to fear the God who can “destroy” both. He didn’t say to “fear him who can torment and torture the soul and/or body.” He didn’t say to “fear him who can inflict pain to the soul and/or body unendingly without mercy.”
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


The OP is lying to people here. Pay attention OP

Revelation

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Notice ..... the lake of fire burns forever and ever and hell is cast into the lake of fire.

Hell is like the local police dept's holding cell UNTIL a person is transported to the JAIL.

Hell is real, but it is only a temporary holding cell until a person is thrown into the lake of fire.

Pay attention OP, because this is for you

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

When these lying disinfo agents start spewing their garbage, seek the truth in the King James Bible. I recommend this FREE Bible software [link to www.e-sword.net]

The King James Bible is God's Word. Avoid the newer versions.
 Quoting: Smith_and_Jones


Nobody is lying. I am giving my opinion on scripture. Again Sir. If you make it to the wedding feast, I'm throwing tomatoes at you. I bet you would volunteer to torture these lost souls in hell for all eternity. Wouldn't ya?
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It drives me crazy that people think that Hell is Eternal Torture. It makes people not accept Christianity because some folks actually get excited about people burning forever and ever.

I believed the same thing before, but not anymore. If you're willing to invest 15-20 minutes I can prove it yo you through the Bible. Links coming.

" God calls the state of the ungodly the “second death.” But we presume to edit God and tell people they will not really die, but that they will live on in constant agony and torture. Jesus clearly taught us to “not be afraid of those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL” (Matthew 10:28). Jesus uses the word “destroy.” We correct him, as well as God and the Holy Spirit, and substitute the words “live on and on and on.” Whom shall students of God’s word believe? God’s word even makes a distinction between the soul and the body and hints that we need to fear the God who can “destroy” both. He didn’t say to “fear him who can torment and torture the soul and/or body.” He didn’t say to “fear him who can inflict pain to the soul and/or body unendingly without mercy.”
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees


The OP is lying to people here. Pay attention OP

Revelation

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Notice ..... the lake of fire burns forever and ever and hell is cast into the lake of fire.

Hell is like the local police dept's holding cell UNTIL a person is transported to the JAIL.

Hell is real, but it is only a temporary holding cell until a person is thrown into the lake of fire.

Pay attention OP, because this is for you

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

When these lying disinfo agents start spewing their garbage, seek the truth in the King James Bible. I recommend this FREE Bible software [link to www.e-sword.net]

The King James Bible is God's Word. Avoid the newer versions.
 Quoting: Smith_and_Jones


You have a little Christian Woody for torture. You're the exact kind of fundamentalist I'm warning people about in this thread.
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I read your long ambiguous dribble, now read this
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Thanks for the link. Not sure how to respond to the perceived insult. We'll just go with God Bless You. hf
 Quoting: Last of the Maccabees

Good job OP ! :)

Mr2 doesn't believe that he is going to be punished for his prideful, hardened heart ! Which, of course, is why he picked his false theory to believe in.

ALl disobedient children will be punished by the Father. The Faithful, will be rewarded. That is fact.

Nothing like following in the footsteps of the Fallen Angel, Mr2. . . the blind leading the blind ! :) The goats all lead each other right off of the cliff.

Have a great day OP !
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What man would call the judgments of God unjust or for that fact even the law of God or the Word of God?


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I think you're confusing some words in a book as the voice of God. The book is fallible, prone to error. Just reading some of it proves that - it violates ones's sense of justice and reason, and I'm sure God wants nothing to do with those fallible words that are portrayed as being his.

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