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Message Subject Jesus Warned Us That Hell is a Real Place and Torment is FOREVER for the Wicked
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Who are you refering to when you say hirelings? If you mean the religious systems, then I agree that there are MANY false preachers, but the King James Bible is pure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1454192


No, it isn't. This is one of the main lies of Religion Inc., that King Jim was some kind of noble, upright man with the common peoples' spiritual growth in mind - it goes hand-in-hand with the claim that his book is the "inerrant Word of God". Can you explain why the good King's linguists translated the word aion, meaning "age", into "ever" 71 times and "world" (?) 38 times, and "age" only twice?! The same fucking word, changed at their whim to suggest completely different things. This is why we have so many christian-nutjobs convinced that there's an End of the World coming, instead of merely the end of an age.


But you did not answer my original questions, so here they are again

Why argue with Scripture?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1454192


Lol. . .you never answered whether Jonah is in hell for ever. Your KJV says he is.

We're *commanded* to analyze scripture. To assess for ourselves whether the claims made by preachers or whoever are really in there. Do you have any idea how many different denominations and even cults there are who claim to believe that the King James Bible is "pure"?

The bible is an approximation of the scriptures, requiring a good deal of digging to grasp what God has for us. I guarantee that taking it at face value is the quickest way to end up believing a bunch of retarded absurdities that God never had in mind.

Are you not aware that Jeremiah 8:8 claims that the scribes have tainted "God's inerrant word" with untruth? The Hebrew word sheqer there ("vain") apparently means "lie". . .

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

If I don't believe that hell exists, does that MAKE IT NOT EXIST?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1454192


The question is illogical - I can offer you the same thing: Just because I don't believe God is a sick, vindictive pyromaniac, does that MEAN HE ISN'T?

Hell is not scriptural. Sure they tossed that word in there dozens of times, but there's absolutely no basis for any afterlife of endless fire. Jesus came to save, not destroy. God uses metaphorical fire to refine and purify, not literal fire to torture and devour. If you have no concept of His ability to bring sinners to repentance, then maybe you never were one yourself, in which case I would submit that you're barking up the wrong tree entirely.

Is it your position that we live forever, but hell is not real?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1454192


My position is that God is the Savior of all, and this truth will be evident "in due time", as Paul told Timothy. Humans are defective and need to repent and abandon the conduct of mere animals who only live to eat, mate, and dominate territory. We're called for something better, and God excels in teaching us each the hard lessons that we personally need to learn in order to come into agreement with His will.
Jesus said we'll each receive due for our deeds, which supports the eye-for-an-eye, tooth-for-a-tooth and burn-for-burn law of Exodus. There is no one-size-fits-all punishment of infinite overkill. We reap what we sow, and as I asked previously: wouldn't you have to burn someone *endlessly* here in this life to earn such a punishment in the afterlife? That's not even possible. Even Hitler doesn't deserve eternal damntion, as he didn't kill an infinite number of people, or torture any of them endlessly. He has a serious ugly reckoning to face, absolutely, but logically speaking, it cannot be infinite. Such a thing would not be Just, and the concept only indulges our corrupt human lust for vengeance.

Do you know what usury is? God forbids it.

Does that mean that we "evolve" in multiple lives, forever?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1454192


No idea. Growth is a kind of evolution, yes? Outgrowing misconceptions, putting away childish things, etc.

If I make the "wrong" decision and believe the Bible in this life, don't I just get to come back and make the "right" decision next time?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1454192


No idea. Whatever wrong decisions, actions, etc. we make here and now, God will address and remedy appropriately. That is the business He's in.

Doesn't it make sense to trust the Bible in this life and if we are wrong, we can know better in out next life if you are correct?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1454192


It makes absolute sense to trust God, yes. His Word consists of Christ, not a book. The book can help, but we have to recognize that it's already been compromised. It fucking says so itself: "Beware the scribes", etc. Who do you think translated it?!

God is not some hardass monster who demands you play ball His way or suck inferno. I used to believe this, but no longer. He's a lot bigger and a lot better than most of us think. When we fail and rebel and defy, He deals with us properly like a Parent who isn't afraid to let his children learn the hard way, with intent that we become a little bit more like Him each day.
 
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