Comet Elenin is a low mass object!

I concur. A causal effect is viable, if not blatantly apparent given the observable patterns. Electrical equilibriums can be negotiated at a scale bigger than someones expectation based on mass.

Example: A grid in a vacuum tube does not have to carry the cathode-plate circuit's current. It can be a 'mostly' isolated system. Therefore an engineer doesn't have to give a grid circuit the physical current carrying capacity. Yet a VERY small voltage fluctuation on that grid can cause a very large electron surge through the cathode-plate circuit (especially if the vacuum is softened - an a plasma is present).

Well, I will say that my boss, who is a very well-respected molecular biologist, says it's probably not a good idea to take them all at once, but the risk when taking many at once is probably mediated by multiple genetic risk factors that have yet to be identified.

I am sorry, but at 56 years old, the amount of 6.0+ quakes are NOT normal, no matter what shills say.

HUH?

Go look up past earthquake stats before claiming it's not normal...

Earthquake stats for 2000-2009 on [link to en.wikipedia.org] based on data on the usgs

Or via the usgs (its a long list)

earthquakes over 6 since 2000-2011
[link to neic.usgs.gov]

nothing out of the ordinary at all...

Go look up past earthquake stats before claiming it's not normal...

Earthquake stats for 2000-2009 on [link to en.wikipedia.org] based on data on the usgs

Or via the usgs (its a long list)

earthquakes over 6 since 2000-2011
[link to neic.usgs.gov]

nothing out of the ordinary at all...

Whatever you got to tell yourself pal. Best of luck

Whatever you got to tell yourself pal. Best of luck

You are only looking at a very small time period in the history of earth.. How do you know if the earthquakes at the end of the triassic period were not far worse and more frequent than what we have now? -- Hint: They actually were - little thing called "Continental Drift.."

You have such a small basis for your judgement on this. There is a HUGE span of time that we don't have a full clean understanding or record of geological activity.

You use your little 56 years to saying well it wasn't this bad when I was 12!! so the world must be ending...Think about that logic... 56 years isn't even a spit ball on the sun compared to the time earth has existed.

All of you dismissing the paradigm altering Earth changes as nothing to see : I PRAY YOU ARE RIGHT.

I have family that are too young to boldly into that great night so early and I do hope and pray daily that we are all singing Kumbya (not spelled correctly, but you get the idea) and kissing Astonut's ass. I will joyously do so.

But I cannot escape what I am seeing on a daily basis:

Gov spending like there is no tomorrow.

I am sorry, but at 56 years old, the amount of 6.0+ quakes are NOT normal, no matter what shills say.

The storms around the planet are frightening to say the least and are not what my generation grew up with. Seeing Tsunamis are something one should see ONCE in a lifetime - not 3 in 6-7 years or whatever.

Venus has never looked like it does now as a kid - it is as bright as anyone my age has ever seen it. Talk with older folks, they'll tell you the same.


Not to mention the wars that don't make any sense, the stealing of resources, the missing 2.7 TRILLION on Sept 10th 2001.

Again, I HOPE AND PRAY THAT WE ARE ALL CRAZY AND THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE. NO ONE HERE WANTS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO SO STOP ASSUMING FOLKS ASKING QUESTIONS ARE ALARMISTS.

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back when this guy was 12 there was no such thing as the internet / news from china etc wouldn't be in real time.

one of the reasons people think there are now more nowadays is due to the above...

None of what you've listed (valid or not) has any logical connection to a run-of-the-mill comet.

I do hang out with more rational people on astronomy forums as well, but believe it or not .

I do hang out with more rational people on astronomy forums as well, but believe it or not I get asked questions about these kinds of things in real life. People who know me know I'm deeply into amateur astronomy, so I end up answering questions about everything from planet x to physical pole shifts.

Participating here familiarizes me with the claims so that I can not only debunk them off the top of my head, but explain the details of the claim as well. Often times the person is asking because they're undecided and only recently heard about the claim and may even be confused about it (mixing magnetic pole shift facts with physical pole shift woo, for instance). If I didn't already know what the conspiracy theory was all about I wouldn't be able to properly answer their questions.

As a side benefit, putting these claims to the test like this allows me to practice astronomy in ways I normally wouldn't have bothered to. I find it immensely enjoyable to crunch the numbers in cases like this and see how what seems like only a small interaction would actually produce noticeable perturbations, and then cross reference that back to actual astrometric analysis and see what the situation is in reality. It provides opportunities to see the elegant way in which the solar system continues to function. To use a cliche, I enjoy watching the dance of the planets, this just gives me a reason however silly to actually measure each movement.

Bringing in a different voice to an otherwise monotonous choir is a huge benefit to the music, too.

I actually agree that its a low mass object. Yet coincidentally, earthquakes are occurring on allignments with it, and that is being done by a group with intent.

Empires have come and gone in earth history. This one has the ability to destroy all life on earth. Its no coincidence that those allignments are taking place, it looks like tptb are planning to hide behind a comet on in October, and put on a show, possibly crashing our system to depopulate.

Its time to wake up, see the world as corrupt, care about everyone, and grab some bullhorns and head to leaders offices, and not leave until this world is a better place.

Dude, WAKEUP! It is already happening. It has happened 4 times in a row now. Everytime we get an alignment, we have a major earthquake. My god! How can you keep on denying what is going on around you? Ugh! Why don't you wake up already?

Highlighted the ones over 7.0, just for you. I still see a pattern, don't you?

6.0 can still equate to a sizable amount of energy released, but I agree it makes it harder to attribute.

Earthquakes happen all the time, so yes they will tend to happen within a few days of each "alignment." Most amusingly, the latest alignment didn't even involve earth in reality, so it really illustrates how well confirmation bias like this works.

Anyone remember this thread?
Thread: Elenin fails to perturb a small asteroid at 0.002 AUs distance
Well it turns out we can use that encounter to establish a strict upper limit for the mass of Elenin. And it turns out that limit is rather low. How low? It's lower than the mass a 4 km wide object would have with the low density of a comet (0.6 g/cm^3).

Leonid Elenin himself also observed that same encounter between 1999 RQ176 and C/2010 X1.
[link to spaceobs.org]
His image is not only very high quality, but it was also taken even closer to the moment of closest approach between the two objects. Astrometric analysis agrees perfectly with my own previous analysis that the asteroid was still right where it should be and not visibly perturbed at all.

Its orbit predicts it should have been at the following coordinates at 3:50 UT on May 21st when his image was taken: 10h 27m 43.65s, +08d 08' 42.1" Astrometry reveals that the asteroid's detected position was 10h 27m 44s, +08d 08' 42"
[link to flickr.com]

So just how perturbed could the asteroid be and still not be "visibly" perturbed? Well, at the 1.8 AU distance Elenin and the asteroid were at that day, a spatial resolution of 2.92 arcseconds per pixel would show any change in the asteroid's position greater than about 3,900 km. That may seem forgiving, but when you actually test and see what various mass numbers for Elenin would do to the asteroid's position you start to realize it's not forgiving at all.

If Elenin had a mass equivalent to an object so much as 4 km wide with a density of an average comet around 0.6 gm/cm^3, it would still have perturbed the asteroid's position by about 100,000 km (0.1 million km), which would have thrown the asteroid's position in the image off significantly:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
I started off with a 5 km wide object with a density of 0.8 g/cm^3 and saw even more massive perturbations than this. Right away I knew I was onto a way to firmly establish an upper bound for Elenin's mass. The example shown above at 4km, 0.6 g/cm^3 starts to approach a very stringent upper-limit of Elenin's mass. We can now say that comet Elenin's mass is less than than that of a 4 km wide comet at a density of 0.6 g/cm^3. Such an object would have noticeably perturbed 1999 RQ176. It's probably even smaller than Leonid himself originally estimated.

Comet Elenin is a low mass object.
So very, very inetesting.
However, if the object has a small mass that is also a short-term orbit.

All of you dismissing the paradigm altering Earth changes as nothing to see : I PRAY YOU ARE RIGHT.

I have family that are too young to boldly into that great night so early and I do hope and pray daily that we are all singing Kumbya (not spelled correctly, but you get the idea) and kissing Astonut's ass. I will joyously do so.

But I cannot escape what I am seeing on a daily basis:

Gov spending like there is no tomorrow.

I am sorry, but at 56 years old, the amount of 6.0+ quakes are NOT normal, no matter what shills say.

The storms around the planet are frightening to say the least and are not what my generation grew up with. Seeing Tsunamis are something one should see ONCE in a lifetime - not 3 in 6-7 years or whatever.

Venus has never looked like it does now as a kid - it is as bright as anyone my age has ever seen it. Talk with older folks, they'll tell you the same.


Not to mention the wars that don't make any sense, the stealing of resources, the missing 2.7 TRILLION on Sept 10th 2001.

Again, I HOPE AND PRAY THAT WE ARE ALL CRAZY AND THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE. NO ONE HERE WANTS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO SO STOP ASSUMING FOLKS ASKING QUESTIONS ARE ALARMISTS.

What exactly is a low mass object? Sorry to be a tard but it's confusing.