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Calling All Amateur Astronomers! How far away are stars? How do we determine this distance? What makes it reliable?

 
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Calling All Amateur Astronomers! How far away are stars? How do we determine this distance? What makes it reliable?
How do we measure how far away stars are from us?

What method of measurement is used?

How do we know its accuracy?


I bring up these questions out of serious curiosity.



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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

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Re: Calling All Amateur Astronomers! How far away are stars? How do we determine this distance? What makes it reliable?
They are light years away.

In other words, just enjoy them, because you will never be able to go to one in this lifetime.
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I am mostly concerned about how do we determine this distance and what makes it reliable.

Not just some random answers.

I am not entirely concerned about going to any Stars either.

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

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he is talking bollocks...dont listen to him.

I dont know the answer to your question.

But I ask you - why do you want to know this?

Is it as I suspect that you doubt the fact that stars are as far away as is stated by science?

I would agree with this statement - stars are much closer than we PERCEIVE - that science is bollox too to a large degree on a number of subjects.

They are light years away.

In other words, just enjoy them, because you will never be able to go to one in this lifetime.
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Actually, here is what I'm really going on about.

[link to astronomyinformation.org]


"In previous chapters we have proven that the ability of telescopes to see distant stars has been greatly exaggerated. Experiments have also proven that the distance at which the sun would be barely visible by the naked eye or a telescope has also been greatly overstated. Here we will explore some of the problems regarding parallaxes and star distances.
Astronomers have tried to determine star distance by a method called trigonometric parallax. The distances that astronomers calculated using this method are in turn used as yard sticks to determine the distances of all other, much farther, objects. Trigonometric parallax is one of the main methods that astronomers use to estimate the distances of remote objects such as galaxies. If this foundation is proven to be doubtful, then, automatically, the whole scale of measurements in astronomy regarding the distances of stars, star clusters, galaxies, etc., like falling dominoes, comes into question.
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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

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Ooops forgot to mention...

have you tried your own research on the subject...via google etc...

you know what they say... if you want somethin done...do it yourself.

or - if you want to know the truth - find YOUR OWN WAY!

he is talking bollocks...dont listen to him.

I dont know the answer to your question.

But I ask you - why do you want to know this?

Is it as I suspect that you doubt the fact that stars are as far away as is stated by science?

I would agree with this statement - stars are much closer than we PERCEIVE - that science is bollox too to a large degree on a number of subjects.

They are light years away.

In other words, just enjoy them, because you will never be able to go to one in this lifetime.
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Google it
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he is talking bollocks...dont listen to him.

I dont know the answer to your question.

But I ask you - why do you want to know this?

Is it as I suspect that you doubt the fact that stars are as far away as is stated by science?

I would agree with this statement - stars are much closer than we PERCEIVE - that science is bollox too to a large degree on a number of subjects.

They are light years away.

In other words, just enjoy them, because you will never be able to go to one in this lifetime.
 Quoting: Whiskey Brother 969666

 Quoting: wee mee 1431228


Hey look at you! Another critical thinker! :D

That is exactly what I was wondering.

Check out this interesting objection toward modern measurements of standard distances.

[link to astronomyinformation.org]
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

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Google it
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I wasn't asking Google. I was asking a person. I know what Google has to say on the subject. This is called a discussion forum, not a "Google it" forum. I am in the process of discussing information with my targeted audience of amateur astronomers.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

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they use a method called Parallax - this a method of trigonometry.

the below link gives you a basic understanding of parallax.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Google it
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I wasn't asking Google. I was asking a person. I know what Google has to say on the subject. This is called a discussion forum, not a "Google it" forum. I am in the process of discussing information with my targeted audience of amateur astronomers.
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Once you understand that the light that you are seeing as stars right now, left each individual star hundreds, or thousands, or even millions of years ago, and they could possibly no longer even exist, you begin to grasp just how large the space between stars really is. Once you have on understanding of that, you can can grasp the concept of "that aint dick compared to the empty space between galaxies.

Add to that the fact that some of those stars are as big as our entire solar system, and that the Sun is relatively tiny compared to some of the big monster stars out there, and knowing the exact distance in miles becomes meaningless.

Some stars that you can see are 8762351442643732813498576430347856478956942837575956584694554​3543856093485769567986572437346754677043956740 miles from Earth, so distances that big are not even easily expressed, which is why we use the phrase "light years" which is the distance that light travels in one year.


Even THINKING that us hairless talking apes can understand distances that great, with any degree of accuracy, is a huge egotistical way to think.
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apparently this "method is valid out to 30,000 light years...only!

even the above seems suspect 30k ly is an awful lot of space using trig type method. I dont think the instruments used can employ such resolution - it starts to get silly.

in fact the guy who was talking bollocks earlier is now making sense... the age of the light coming from these stars and the fact that you are looking at a stationary object... it makes no sense to quantify using distance/time - itself an illusion.

by the way I absolutely know nothing of what I am talking about - I'm only making assumptions on what I have read these last few minutes...

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Actually, here is what I'm really going on about.

[link to astronomyinformation.org]


"In previous chapters we have proven that the ability of telescopes to see distant stars has been greatly exaggerated. Experiments have also proven that the distance at which the sun would be barely visible by the naked eye or a telescope has also been greatly overstated. Here we will explore some of the problems regarding parallaxes and star distances.
Astronomers have tried to determine star distance by a method called trigonometric parallax. The distances that astronomers calculated using this method are in turn used as yard sticks to determine the distances of all other, much farther, objects. Trigonometric parallax is one of the main methods that astronomers use to estimate the distances of remote objects such as galaxies. If this foundation is proven to be doubtful, then, automatically, the whole scale of measurements in astronomy regarding the distances of stars, star clusters, galaxies, etc., like falling dominoes, comes into question.
"

 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


So basically an astronomy organization is saying the methods of determining distance of galactic objects could be all wrong??

This shakes the foundation of everything we think we know don't you think?
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Actually, here is what I'm really going on about.

[link to astronomyinformation.org]


"In previous chapters we have proven that the ability of telescopes to see distant stars has been greatly exaggerated. Experiments have also proven that the distance at which the sun would be barely visible by the naked eye or a telescope has also been greatly overstated. Here we will explore some of the problems regarding parallaxes and star distances.
Astronomers have tried to determine star distance by a method called trigonometric parallax. The distances that astronomers calculated using this method are in turn used as yard sticks to determine the distances of all other, much farther, objects. Trigonometric parallax is one of the main methods that astronomers use to estimate the distances of remote objects such as galaxies. If this foundation is proven to be doubtful, then, automatically, the whole scale of measurements in astronomy regarding the distances of stars, star clusters, galaxies, etc., like falling dominoes, comes into question.
"

 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Quoted for the post below..

they use a method called Parallax - this a method of trigonometry.

the below link gives you a basic understanding of parallax.

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: wee mee 1431228


As you can see I posted information about Parallax. The article that I quoted above this post is what I'm trying to get to.

Parallax is exactly what the paper I posted is about. Could you read it and then respond?

Google it
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I wasn't asking Google. I was asking a person. I know what Google has to say on the subject. This is called a discussion forum, not a "Google it" forum. I am in the process of discussing information with my targeted audience of amateur astronomers.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


Once you understand that the light that you are seeing as stars right now, left each individual star hundreds, or thousands, or even millions of years ago, and they could possibly no longer even exist, you begin to grasp just how large the space between stars really is. Once you have on understanding of that, you can can grasp the concept of "that aint dick compared to the empty space between galaxies.

Add to that the fact that some of those stars are as big as our entire solar system, and that the Sun is relatively tiny compared to some of the big monster stars out there, and knowing the exact distance in miles becomes meaningless.

Some stars that you can see are 8762351442643732813498576430347856478956942837575956584694554​3543856093485769567986572437346754677043956740 miles from Earth, so distances that big are not even easily expressed, which is why we use the phrase "light years" which is the distance that light travels in one year.


Even THINKING that us hairless talking apes can understand distances that great, with any degree of accuracy, is a huge egotistical way to think.
 Quoting: Whiskey Brother 969666


The point I'm trying to make is I'm questioning the very accuracy of the distances that modern astronomy gives us to these objects, based on the article I have first quoted in this post.



apparently this "method is valid out to 30,000 light years...only!

even the above seems suspect 30k ly is an awful lot of space using trig type method. I dont think the instruments used can employ such resolution - it starts to get silly.

in fact the guy who was talking bollocks earlier is now making sense... the age of the light coming from these stars and the fact that you are looking at a stationary object... it makes no sense to quantify using distance/time - itself an illusion.

by the way I absolutely know nothing of what I am talking about - I'm only making assumptions on what I have read these last few minutes...

iamwith
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I'm not clueless on the subject and I have a decent grasp of modern astronomy, but I have yet to see a good argument to prove this man in this paper [link to astronomyinformation.org] is wrong.

He is saying that modern astronomers are possibly wrong on the distances to stars, because the preferred method of measurement is not entirely accurate.

Actually, here is what I'm really going on about.

[link to astronomyinformation.org]


"In previous chapters we have proven that the ability of telescopes to see distant stars has been greatly exaggerated. Experiments have also proven that the distance at which the sun would be barely visible by the naked eye or a telescope has also been greatly overstated. Here we will explore some of the problems regarding parallaxes and star distances.
Astronomers have tried to determine star distance by a method called trigonometric parallax. The distances that astronomers calculated using this method are in turn used as yard sticks to determine the distances of all other, much farther, objects. Trigonometric parallax is one of the main methods that astronomers use to estimate the distances of remote objects such as galaxies. If this foundation is proven to be doubtful, then, automatically, the whole scale of measurements in astronomy regarding the distances of stars, star clusters, galaxies, etc., like falling dominoes, comes into question.
"

 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities


So basically an astronomy organization is saying the methods of determining distance of galactic objects could be all wrong??

This shakes the foundation of everything we think we know don't you think?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1417231


I don't think it's an astronomy organization from Main Stream science. It's just an individual with a great paper explaining what he's possibly discovered in regard to the measuring methods of astronomy.


Please if you are commenting on this topic, please take the time to read this whole paper, it has many pages. At least skim over them.

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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It's a difficult thing to answer since we don't really know what 'time' and 'speed of light'(if such a thing exists) really are.
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If we gave incorrect distances for the Stars and other objects we see in the far off distance, wouldn't that artificially inflate the size of objects that we see?

Are the objects that we say are many times the Sun's mass actually so? Wouldn't that only have to be that way if objects are really that far off? What if they are closer?
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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bump for more learned amateur astronomers opinions. I would seriously like to know how well accepted these methods are?
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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It is my dream to set foot on a planet orbiting a different star from our own sun.
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I just typed in on Google

nikola tesla faster than the speed of light

and I got a ton of results, one of which was this paper found at [link to www.scribd.com]

In this paper Faster than Light, it purts forth a good argument that Nikola Tesla insisted that the speed of light was not 186,000 miles per second, or that it was not a limit at least.



Faster than Light
By HUGO GERNSBACK


It may come as a shock, to most students of science, to learn that there are still in the world some scientists who believe that there are speeds greater than that of light.

Since the advent of Einstein, most scientists and physicists have taken it for granted that
speeds greater than 186,300 miles per second are impossible in the universe. Indeed,
one of the principal tenets of the relativity theory is that the mass of a body increases
with its speed, and would become infinite at the velocity of light. Hence, a greater
velocity is impossible.

Among those who deny that this is true, there is Nikola Tesla, well known for his
hundreds of important inventions. The induction motor and the system of distributing
alternating current are but a few of his great contributions to modern science. In 1892,
he made his historic experiments in Colorado; where he manufactured, for the first time,
artificial lightning bolts 100 feet long, and where he was able, by means of high-
frequency currents, to light electric lamps at a distance of three miles without the use of
any wires whatsoever.

Talking to me about these experiments recently, Dr. Tesla revealed that he had made a
number of surprising discoveries in the high-frequency electric field and that, in the
course of these experiments, he had become convinced that he propagated frequencies
at speeds higher than the speed of light.

In his patent No. 787,412, filed May 16, 1900, Tesla showed that the current of his
transmitter passed over the earth's surface with a speed of 292,830 miles per second,
while radio waves proceed with the velocity of light Tesla holds, however, that our
present "radio" waves are not true Hertzian waves, but really sound waves.

He informs me, further, that he knows of speeds several times greater than that of light, and that he has designed apparatus with which be expects to project so-called electrons with a speed equal to twice that of light.

Coming from so eminent a source, the statement should be given due consideration.
After all, abstract mathematics is one thing, and actual experimentation is another. Not
so many years ago, one of the world's greatest scientists of the time proved.
mathematically that it is impossible to fly a heavier-than-air machine. Yet we are flying
plenty of airplanes today.

Tesla contradicts a part of the relativity theory emphatically, holding that mass is
unalterable; otherwise, energy could be produced from nothing, since the kinetic energy
acquired in the fall of a body would be greater than that necessary to lift it at a small
velocity.

It is within the bounds of possibility that Einstein's mathematics of speeds greater than light may be wrong. Tesla has been right many times during the past, and he may be proven right in the future. In any event, the statement that there are speeds faster than light is a tremendous one, and opens up entirely new vistas to science.

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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I am mostly concerned about how do we determine this distance and what makes it reliable.

Not just some random answers.

I am not entirely concerned about going to any Stars either.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities



form a triangle from the star to two opposite points on the earth's path around the sun

we know the distance from one side of orbit to the other and the angles in the triangle, enough to get the length of the two other sides

simple geometry bro
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You say it's simple geometry but do you have any idea what is involved in measuring the parallax of a star? How many disagreements there have been in the individual measurements between arc seconds and smaller?


Please if you are commenting on this topic, please take the time to read this whole paper, it has many pages. At least skim over them.

[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 1
[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 2
[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 3
[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 4
[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 5
[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 6
[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 7
[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 8
[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 9
[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 10
[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 11
[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 12
[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 13


[link to astronomyinformation.org] Page 3 in particular deals with measurements and the inconsistencies therein.

I'm trying to bring up the question of validity, not ask how it's done. I can obviously figure out how it's done, but whats the point if not everyone agrees?

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

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"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

Transmigration Of The Soul. All you need to know about REINCARNATION

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I am mostly concerned about how do we determine this distance and what makes it reliable.

Not just some random answers.

I am not entirely concerned about going to any Stars either.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities



form a triangle from the star to two opposite points on the earth's path around the sun

we know the distance from one side of orbit to the other and the angles in the triangle, enough to get the length of the two other sides

simple geometry bro
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We think we know the distance......
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I am mostly concerned about how do we determine this distance and what makes it reliable.

Not just some random answers.

I am not entirely concerned about going to any Stars either.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities



form a triangle from the star to two opposite points on the earth's path around the sun

we know the distance from one side of orbit to the other and the angles in the triangle, enough to get the length of the two other sides

simple geometry bro
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We think we know the distance......
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1417231


Indeed.

Some stars we see resolve as Galaxies in our telescopes. What if Galaxies really aren't as far away as we thought?

What if we are seeing other Solar systems? Just other planets??
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

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I suggest posting this in this forum:
[link to www.bautforum.com]
Lots of amateur astronomers there.

As for is it possible to confuse stars and planets... Do you know what "spectroscopy" is?
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I suggest posting this in this forum:
[link to www.bautforum.com]
Lots of amateur astronomers there.

As for is it possible to confuse stars and planets... Do you know what "spectroscopy" is?
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I do, it's the studying of the spectrum of light emitted by the planet.

I understand BAUT Forum and their rules generally do not allow topics such as this. They tend to conform to mainstream scientific view point as much as possible.

I'm looking for new fresh thinkers who use logic and knowledge.
"A sense of common interest can be fostered among individuals, if they know that they are inter-connected, are parts of one Organic System and are the sons and daughters of one Father. Here is the task of all religions; to teach people that all beings of the world are closely inter-related. Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another. Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu propagated the cult of all-embracing Divine Love which brings universal brotherhood on a transcendental plane.

(Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja )


"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

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I suggest posting this in this forum:
[link to www.bautforum.com]
Lots of amateur astronomers there.

As for is it possible to confuse stars and planets... Do you know what "spectroscopy" is?
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I do, it's the studying of the spectrum of light emitted by the planet.

I understand BAUT Forum and their rules generally do not allow topics such as this. They tend to conform to mainstream scientific view point as much as possible.

I'm looking for new fresh thinkers who use logic and knowledge.
 Quoting: SaveTheLivingEntities



Not true. They even have forum sections just for you!


Against the Mainstream forum - [link to www.bautforum.com]

Conspiracy Theories forum - [link to www.bautforum.com]
It is precisely because it is fashionable for Americans to know no science, even though they may be well educated otherwise, that they so easily fall prey to nonsense. They thus become part of the armies of the night, the purveyors of nitwittery, the retailers of intellectual junk food, the feeders on mental cardboard, for their ignorance keeps them from distinguishing nectar from sewage. — Isaac Asimov
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It's called "Parallactic Shift"
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It is an excellent question.
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look up "Cepheid Variable" stars. They are used to measure distances of millions of light years. You may also start a first year astronomy textbook; the internet is so distracting that focusing on a book is the best way to actually get a grip on basic astronomy.

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