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How much does it cost to go Off the Grid?

 
Brie217
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How much does it cost to go Off the Grid?
There are 10 things that you need to consider when going off grid and living on the land.

water

land

shelter

food

communication

power

warmth

transportation

protection

waste

1. One of the most important items to find when preparing to go off grid is land with running water on it. Everything else can be brought in but water is essential, one must have a good water source. Ideally, it would be nice if you also had a well on the land. It doesn't matter if there is a house on the property because you can build your own house for as little as $1,000 or for as much as you want, but water...running water would be a nice luxury. Not only do you need water for drinking but you also must have it to irrigate plants, support animals and if you have a decent running stream of water you can have all the electricity you want for FREE! However, even if you can't find a tract of land that has a stream or creek on it you can still set up a water catchment system so don't despair if you can't find water on the land...it's still in the sky!

2. Regarding land,

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Everythings free when you steel it..
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Glad I live on a piece of land with irrigation!


People underestimate how crucial that will be.
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I said this in another thread and will repeat myself here.

Humans have only 5 needs. ALL else is a want.

The needs are in no particular order

Food
Shelter
Clothing
Water
Companionship.

Your "power" and medicine that so many think is a need is not. It can be if you live the life which demands it. But humans existed for thousands of years without what we now call power, which I call electricity and we can and will be doing it again soon.

If you want "off the grid" you must learn to exist without electricity or many of the other amenities this world has to offer.

First and foremost you must know what you are leaving and why.
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Re: How much does it cost to go Off the Grid?
There are 10 things that you need to consider when going off grid and living on the land.

water

land

shelter

food

communication

power

warmth

transportation

protection

waste

1. One of the most important items to find when preparing to go off grid is land with running water on it. Everything else can be brought in but water is essential, one must have a good water source. Ideally, it would be nice if you also had a well on the land. It doesn't matter if there is a house on the property because you can build your own house for as little as $1,000 or for as much as you want, but water...running water would be a nice luxury. Not only do you need water for drinking but you also must have it to irrigate plants, support animals and if you have a decent running stream of water you can have all the electricity you want for FREE! However, even if you can't find a tract of land that has a stream or creek on it you can still set up a water catchment system so don't despair if you can't find water on the land...it's still in the sky!

2. Regarding land,

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Stupid expensive, and likely for you not possible.
You never own land, someone always has a superceding claim to it.
The other stuff, to get a decent set of suppies and spares for most any contingency ( dont forget the spares and duplicates, thing break)
You could probably get by if you are thrifty for maybe a million, twice that if you buy retail. Then is the time, the constant maintainance. etc
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Everythings free when you steel it..
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I'd rather iron it
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How much does it cost...hehe...well how much you got??? Boy.
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Re: How much does it cost to go Off the Grid?
There are 10 things that you need to consider when going off grid and living on the land.

water

land

shelter

food

communication

power

warmth

transportation

protection

waste

1. One of the most important items to find when preparing to go off grid is land with running water on it. Everything else can be brought in but water is essential, one must have a good water source. Ideally, it would be nice if you also had a well on the land. It doesn't matter if there is a house on the property because you can build your own house for as little as $1,000 or for as much as you want, but water...running water would be a nice luxury. Not only do you need water for drinking but you also must have it to irrigate plants, support animals and if you have a decent running stream of water you can have all the electricity you want for FREE! However, even if you can't find a tract of land that has a stream or creek on it you can still set up a water catchment system so don't despair if you can't find water on the land...it's still in the sky!

2. Regarding land,

[link to hubpages.com]
 Quoting: Brie217


Stupid expensive, and likely for you not possible.
You never own land, someone always has a superceding claim to it.
The other stuff, to get a decent set of suppies and spares for most any contingency ( dont forget the spares and duplicates, thing break)
You could probably get by if you are thrifty for maybe a million, twice that if you buy retail. Then is the time, the constant maintainance. etc
 Quoting: Tod Shwarze 1394135


The assumption of course is that you want what amounts to near guaranteed security in a hostile environment with as much of the conveniences that you are used to.
If you want to go amish(if they'd have you,) that would be far cheaper, but not what you were hoping for, is it?
Excluding living like a savage hunter gatherer, youre gonna need expensive and specific technology.
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Re: How much does it cost to go Off the Grid?
The flat out truth is this:

You never actually 'own' a parcel of land. There will always be a fee levied on it in some manner. Of course, that's if you're not booted from 'your' property under eminent domain laws that states that, Federal, state or local government have the legal right to evict you from any land if said land is needed for infrastructure projects or any other reason they can dream up if they want your dirt. They can offer you a reasonable buy-out rate...or simply evict you if you put up a fight. Truth.

Now, there IS a way to be free. Off the grid and middle finger to every other human or government on earth and there's not a effing thing they can do to ...legally.

Buy yourself a reasonable and manageable vessel of the seas. A sailboat is your best bet. Take some time and learn everything you can about sailing and your craft. Transportation is taken care of, solar is your friend, water is simple to collect, you don't have to worry about taking a dump 'down-river' and there are satellite solutions for communications. (Although it's pretty spotty surrounded by all that water.)

Find friendly ports-of-call, dock, plug in for a bit, see the sights, meet the people, hit the seas again. And frankly, even if you're not Christopher Columbus, you can still sail a good portion of the globe within visual sight of the shore if you're not up to 'ocean crossings' just yet.

One of the oldest forms of transportation known to man is still one of the last true vestiges of honest freedom.
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Re: How much does it cost to go Off the Grid?
Cost about $250,000 for my buddy, and that isn't including the cost of land... but he also didn't want to give up certain technologies

If you did it 1800s style without having electricity and such it could be done alot cheaper...
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I say erect a geodesic dome home,a geodesic grow dome and a geodesic biodome. Add to that solar and wind power and a composting toilet and you can kiss the whole rotten stinkin herd mentality gangsta system....GOODBYE



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Re: How much does it cost to go Off the Grid?
boat or not, there is always someone to press a claim from govt's to harbourmaasters to pirates.
THe concept of your own inviolate property is a myth, that's what all other rights were intended to allow, yet they have fallen short and yo are allowed to breathe only if you pay ransom, anywhere.
You start out assuming the existence of secure private property and that's incorrect as that is the crux of the problem that you really have no safe place to sit on the planet. As long as you store your other property on someone elses land it's not yours and it's not safe either.
That's why the ptb want to accumulate the land by bankrupting all, as they can be lord and master over what is on it as nobody will mount a successful challenge to them when the public are all depopulated.
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Re: How much does it cost to go Off the Grid?
I say erect a geodesic dome home,a geodesic grow dome and a geodesic biodome. Add to that solar and wind power and a composting toilet and you can kiss the whole rotten stinkin herd mentality gangsta system....GOODBYE



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Until the gangstas show up and take it from you, cuz dey likes yo crib.
Who ya gonna call when you can no longer ransom your safety?
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boat or not, there is always someone to press a claim from govt's to harbourmaasters to pirates.
THe concept of your own inviolate property is a myth, that's what all other rights were intended to allow, yet they have fallen short and yo are allowed to breathe only if you pay ransom, anywhere.
You start out assuming the existence of secure private property and that's incorrect as that is the crux of the problem that you really have no safe place to sit on the planet. As long as you store your other property on someone elses land it's not yours and it's not safe either.
That's why the ptb want to accumulate the land by bankrupting all, as they can be lord and master over what is on it as nobody will mount a successful challenge to them when the public are all depopulated.
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Oh, understood. My only point was that of all the options available, the open ocean really seems the best bet for long term off-the-grid'ness...

And remember, too...if faced with a serious situation far from the sight of land, you begin to realize you have a certain 'frontier justice' scenario. Should you be approached under duress, well...however you decide to defend yourself won't be witnessed by anyone. You're on your own. Of course, this works, unfortunately, the other way around. If you're outnumbered or out gunned, well...that's a bad place to be. Yet, I'll take my chances out on the water as opposed to high in the mountain side with god knows who lurking about. haha
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You need to consider climate, property tax, water source, location (eminent domain issues, growth, etc) soil type, electric source (renewables like wind/solar) and back up fuel like propane, wood....basically, heating, cooling, and electric, security, access to resources, food sources, medical....its complex but can be done with alot of research and smarts.
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>you can build your own house for as little as $1,000

a decent garden shed will cost you that much

>if you have a decent running stream of water you can have all the electricity you want for FREE!

really? and who exactly is giving away micro-hydro setups and installing them for free?

> Satellite Internet Services are one way to go and they are relatively inexpensive

relative to what? owning your own satellite?

>However, if you do need a wood-stove, a really good one will cost you about $5,000

that must be one helluva stove. NASA design?

>Finally, I haven't gone off grid yet. I think that you could go off-grid for about $25,000 very nicely.

best of luck. and have fun on that tricycle!
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I didn't say that it would be a big house for $1,000, but you can do it. It's called Cob Cottages and people have been building and living in them for thousands of years.
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Re: How much does it cost to go Off the Grid?
boat or not, there is always someone to press a claim from govt's to harbourmaasters to pirates.
THe concept of your own inviolate property is a myth, that's what all other rights were intended to allow, yet they have fallen short and yo are allowed to breathe only if you pay ransom, anywhere.
You start out assuming the existence of secure private property and that's incorrect as that is the crux of the problem that you really have no safe place to sit on the planet. As long as you store your other property on someone elses land it's not yours and it's not safe either.
That's why the ptb want to accumulate the land by bankrupting all, as they can be lord and master over what is on it as nobody will mount a successful challenge to them when the public are all depopulated.
 Quoting: Tod Shwarze 1394135


Oh, understood. My only point was that of all the options available, the open ocean really seems the best bet for long term off-the-grid'ness...

And remember, too...if faced with a serious situation far from the sight of land, you begin to realize you have a certain 'frontier justice' scenario. Should you be approached under duress, well...however you decide to defend yourself won't be witnessed by anyone. You're on your own. Of course, this works, unfortunately, the other way around. If you're outnumbered or out gunned, well...that's a bad place to be. Yet, I'll take my chances out on the water as opposed to high in the mountain side with god knows who lurking about. haha
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What are you going to do for food moron. once you run out of food your screwed on a boat. LOL. I will eat my beef and vegetables while you stave and the pirates eat you alive. HA HA HA suckas
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Re: How much does it cost to go Off the Grid?
boat or not, there is always someone to press a claim from govt's to harbourmaasters to pirates.
THe concept of your own inviolate property is a myth, that's what all other rights were intended to allow, yet they have fallen short and yo are allowed to breathe only if you pay ransom, anywhere.
You start out assuming the existence of secure private property and that's incorrect as that is the crux of the problem that you really have no safe place to sit on the planet. As long as you store your other property on someone elses land it's not yours and it's not safe either.
That's why the ptb want to accumulate the land by bankrupting all, as they can be lord and master over what is on it as nobody will mount a successful challenge to them when the public are all depopulated.
 Quoting: Tod Shwarze 1394135


Oh, understood. My only point was that of all the options available, the open ocean really seems the best bet for long term off-the-grid'ness...

And remember, too...if faced with a serious situation far from the sight of land, you begin to realize you have a certain 'frontier justice' scenario. Should you be approached under duress, well...however you decide to defend yourself won't be witnessed by anyone. You're on your own. Of course, this works, unfortunately, the other way around. If you're outnumbered or out gunned, well...that's a bad place to be. Yet, I'll take my chances out on the water as opposed to high in the mountain side with god knows who lurking about. haha
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What are you going to do for food moron. once you run out of food your screwed on a boat. LOL. I will eat my beef and vegetables while you stave and the pirates eat you alive. HA HA HA suckas
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That's right..living on a boat is totally undo-able..you would die of scurvy before long.
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Re: How much does it cost to go Off the Grid?
I said this in another thread and will repeat myself here.

Humans have only 5 needs. ALL else is a want.

The needs are in no particular order

Food
Shelter
Clothing
Water
Companionship.

Your "power" and medicine that so many think is a need is not. It can be if you live the life which demands it. But humans existed for thousands of years without what we now call power, which I call electricity and we can and will be doing it again soon.

If you want "off the grid" you must learn to exist without electricity or many of the other amenities this world has to offer.

First and foremost you must know what you are leaving and why.
 Quoting: OneEyedJack


I agree