So What Is The Truth?

So we are not divine?


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We can start at the beginning of Time literally..that should explain things

when Time started to exist

This place was seen when Time started

Thanks for your reply,

IMHO, your answer to you is more important than my answer to you.

peace,

The Truth, is simply an understand of the way things really are!

Simple huh?

You see, I have a hard time believing that scientist the world over are outright lying about individual facts concerning our origins.

I'm from very religious upbringings and I also have tremendous respect for the individual scientific observation ( not scientific culture, yuk). What I talked about in the OP was a way in which these two ways of thinking, subjectively & objectively, could work together so that we can see how our experiences here DO matter. An actual model of Time that can demonstrate this. So me learning about this way resolved my spiritual beliefs with what was actually being observed in this Creation.


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Last I checked, science was still not able to prove consciousness, nearly 2,000 years after the fact. That might be a clue to the answer.

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Who are they?

Any idea?


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Thanks for your reply,

Surely natural matters have their place in a natural world. They serve natural means. I suppose then spiritual matters have their place in the spiritual world and they serve spiritual means.

But just as many work feverishly to try to understand nature through scientific theories and tests, so also do many seek to understand spiritual matters.

In the end, I suppose it is good when a man has found rest for his soul. I suppose that man is truly at peace and no longer hungry or thirsty. When he has found what he was/is looking for.

May we all find what we are looking for.

peace,

"The chief difficulty which prevents men of science from believing in divine as well as in nature Spirits is their materialism." ~ H.P. Blavatsky

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org]


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A Call to Consciousness


A part of Creation in which both camps in the debate over our origins could find common ground in, is consciousness. Consciousness would be seen as someone's spirit or soul to a religious person. To a scientist, consciousness is the undeniable aspect of reality that cannot be proven. That's because 'consciousness' is the most subjective 'thing' that the universe has to offer. It cannot be 'located' or 'measured' directly. And it is a shame that because of this, consciousness by and large gets ignored by the educational authorities which always like to remind us we are the result of randomness and chance.

The very definition of empirical science is:

" 1. derived from or relating to experiment and observation rather than theory "

So the process of empirical science takes in all observations and tests them, and constructs subjective theories based upon these observations, and holds these passable theories up and attempts to explain everything...all without explaining anything about the observer doing all the observing. The subjective experience is all a human being will ever experience, and it must be spoken for when attempting to explain EVERYTHING.

By definition, empirical science cannot explain everything, because it shuns, rather than embraces, subjectivity. And our society as a whole suffers because of this warped view of reality that has been administered to us by scientific culture. The focus toward materialism has kept the eyes and the thoughts of the people off of consciousness. We are in need of a kind of supra-science that holds consciousness and materialism in a fair and balanced view if we are to make any headway in discovering what the truth is. Because the truth is consciousness and materialism do work together.

Beyond human biological functions, anything you could possibly think of that human beings have created, before these creations became manifested into physical reality, always started out as an idea or a thought in which consciousness played the initiating role. Consciousness rules human beings ability to physically manifest an object. Everything around you that's 'man made', is the result of consciousness interacting with thought. And the speed of the process to which human beings create, as the fractal model of time will demonstrate to you, is continually accelarating at an ever increasing rate. The rate in which time is moving is not speeding up, but the rate of creativity is. And the more there is for your consciousness to pay attention to, the faster that time 'seems' to be moving.So where science holds objectivity and logic as the only way to the truth, the fact of the matter is that consciousness governs materialism in our ability to create our shared reality. And what this model of fractal time clearly demonstrates is that Creation is consciousness and it too follows this same process of creating consciousness first followed by physical manifestation. Creation has a knack for supplying us with exactly what we need for a given situation, whether it's the manifestation of stone tools or global communication systems, via our own human creativity.

Some interesting and promising developments have occurred as a byproduct of living in an accelerating cyber age. As old world religions really began to splinter this past decade, some people started seeking out truths about our shared reality on their own. Because of the manifestation of the Internet via human creativity, cultural boundaries which were once closed off suddenly opened up. Pieces of information which were once suppressed by the authority of educational and religious conglomerates were now flowing freely into cyberspace. There was no breaking news bulletin when this occurred.

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And over the last 10 years, people from all walks of life have undergone an acute change in the way they view the world. Because of this new flow of information available to them, these people stopped listening to what the authority of educational and religious conglomerates were spoon feeding them and started the process of discerning for themselves their own view of reality. These peoples' consciousness began to expand in a way that allowed them to see views of reality more in line with the truth about reality. They understood during their lives that they were living in very special times. And if you asked some of these people why they chose to seek out knowledge about the true nature of reality, they would tell you that they were born with this drive. You'll get a chance to meet a few of these people in this thread.

If we are going to change the world for the better, and if it truly is up to us, then the best way to help the world to heal is to face the truth, collectively. These people who broke away from the psychological hold that these institutions of authority have held over the populace at large have faced tremendous social and personal pressures over the last decade in order to help spread the awareness of truths. And their voices have only grown louder and larger in numbers over the years, but especially over the course of this past decade. As the world races towards the convergence of a multitude of problems that threaten our survival as a species, Creation has prepared a group of people whose consciousness is up for the challenge. They have been brought along in their lives in such a way as to be able to recognize what makes the world the way it is today so that they could learn the why's and the how's of creating and building a better world for tomorrow.


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ABSOLUTE TRUTH is a Person.

His name is Jesus of Nazareth.

Nothing is wasted, either way.

That's what I believe.


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We can look at it that way.

As separate avenues of truth.

Or we can see how they work together just as well.

Either way, glad you have found 'your' truth. May it bring you peace.

So what is the Truth?

...Either way, glad you have found 'your' truth. May it bring you peace.

Guess what: THERE WERE NO CAVE MEN! We were brought here from another planet!

It's not that the Scientist know they are "lying" per say: It's just that most of them are following their program, which they themselves have been subjected to, from birth! :(

Thanks AC. I'm always looking for good criticsm to see what we do and don't agree on.

Pontius Pilatus asked The Messiah that very question...

Thanks AC. I'm always looking for good criticsm to see what we do and don't agree on.




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ObeWayne, what do you mean by 'program'?
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Thanks for your reply.

Criticism is an interesting thing.

If a wise man passed by another in the street and said, "you look sick", would that man accept his criticism? lol...

It is not until that man realized himself that he is sick, then he will seek the medical attention he requires.

Am I sick? Are you? Are we all?

Some will say "I am well", others will say, "I am sick". Each is convinced of 'truth'. But the answer we give to ourself is what matters. Seeing it is most convincing critique of all.

If a man thinks he is well, he has no need to seek a physician for healing - regardless of the critiques of another.

If a man thinks he is sick, he will look for healing until he finds it or it finds him - regardless of the critiques of another.

May we all be well.

peace,