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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1470172 United States 07/16/2011 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | collective consensus.....there is no reason to believe that there is some system by which truth can be known... Quoting: all_the_kings_horses 1466923People swim not because water is there...people swim because other people swim. We dont live in a world where science and logic and analyses are the prime motivators of action. we do things within a sea of collective consensus, we see other people actions and we copy them. we are educated in the classroom sitting with 30 other children. We are told what is truth in a group obey collective cage called a classroom. If we refuse to accept the "truth" taught in school we fail the class and go home to face an angry parent. After at least 12 years of learning to obey within a group of 30. Any hope of discovering truth is lost in that 12 year deluge of social conditioning. Yes ATKH. This is something I do all the time still. When I see something, an idea or phrase or whatever, that resonates with me, I borrow it for a little while, lol. That 'collective consensus' that we've all been 'programmed' with is so tough to get through. ------ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1470172 United States 07/16/2011 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok Bowman..ready? Quoting: wildhoneyI do believe that it always was just about one simple thing LOVE everything and I mean everything was caused ..happened..will happen..originated from..because ..of Love it was just only about Love from the beginning till the end dont believe me huh? :blush: ;) Yeah, I believe you wildhoney. If someone is to overcome this reality, then it HAS to be through the power and understanding of love. It's just that 'this reality' is soooo tough sometimes. Love must be TOUGH in order to overcome. That's something I learned a long time ago. I like your spirit. You have a genuine spirit. ------ |
believer in truth User ID: 1470676 Canada 07/17/2011 09:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Love protects you, and your heart. Life creates life everywhere and there are worlds everywhere in this and other universes. Love, and remember believe in it, yourself, believe in the natural laws of the universe. Know them, freedom, freedom of choice, freedom to live in freedom as life eleswhere does. Believing and living in freedom there's no such thing as money(lies) Believing and living in money there's no such thing as freedom (truth) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1409920 Canada 07/17/2011 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People seem to define truth by how many believe it. Truth is truth, and whether it's believed or not, that doesn't make it less true. The same goes for the whole "disclosure" issue. Many people are waiting for disclosure because to them, only then will be true. Human nature is a strange thing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 846710 United States 07/18/2011 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its all about Love, we evolve from the heart in Love Quoting: believer in truth 1470676Love protects you, and your heart. Life creates life everywhere and there are worlds everywhere in this and other universes. Love, and remember believe in it, yourself, believe in the natural laws of the universe. Know them, freedom, freedom of choice, freedom to live in freedom as life eleswhere does. Believing and living in freedom there's no such thing as money(lies) Believing and living in money there's no such thing as freedom (truth) ------ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 846710 United States 07/18/2011 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People seem to define truth by how many believe it. Quoting: MsFitLuvRTruth is truth, and whether it's believed or not, that doesn't make it less true. The same goes for the whole "disclosure" issue. Many people are waiting for disclosure because to them, only then will be true. Human nature is a strange thing. Yeah, it seems truth isn't 'social friendly'. It's a nice lock and key. When it comes to truth there is no safely in numbers. Agreed on the human nature bit. ------ |
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zacksavage User ID: 1503166 United States 08/14/2011 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well we are all programmed from school, in one way or another, to accept the information that Science provides as true..........when a lot of it isn't! Quoting: ObeWayneKenobeA good example of this would be "atoms"........we are taught that everything is made up of atoms, cause Scientists have actually seen them with electron microscopes, right? Well guess what: They are looking at an illusion......for they are really just looking at "photons"(particles of Light) that appear to look like atoms! See what I mean? Science only thinks it knows the truth.......lol Agreed!!! Although, scientists speak and act as if absolute truth can only derive from their work. Haha,...that type of thinking is like a dead-end road leading to nowhere. Oh wait,... That's a straight line. Z Free your mind,...your ass will follow. --- parliament funkadelic |
zacksavage User ID: 1503166 United States 08/14/2011 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hm. Quoting: Accidental Stoner 1191993Interesting. What the (idea-of-the-) Christ meant by the beginning and the end, I'd rather interpret as pointing towards the evolution of consciousness. The end of duality is the end of information, a, or maybe The Singularity. I like this statement, wherever it originated from: "The truth will only be heard whence nothing is expected in return." Which any Messiah must surely know and understand. Personally, I find that the fractal nature of Everything keeps getting clearer. This would mean that spiritual teaching cannot exist. Only learning. Interesting. The ouroboros image may be metaphor of Alpha and Omega/beginning and endings,...Hm,... It forms a circle perhaps fractal/helical/holographical in nature. [link to www.google.com] Z Free your mind,...your ass will follow. --- parliament funkadelic |
zacksavage User ID: 1503166 United States 08/14/2011 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well Bowman,...after reading this thread, I would say that you seemed to have arrived at an absolutely subjective truth,... by mass collective consensuses,...the iterations of which lead to cover past/present/future. [link to www.google.com] Sweet!!! Z Last Edited by zacksavage on 08/14/2011 03:05 PM Free your mind,...your ass will follow. --- parliament funkadelic |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1021357 United States 08/17/2011 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well Bowman,...after reading this thread, I would say that you seemed to have arrived at an absolutely subjective truth,... by mass collective consensuses,...the iterations of which lead to cover past/present/future. Quoting: zacksavage[link to www.google.com] Sweet!!! :Hunab Ku: Z Hey Zack! And we've got a few more weeks to enjoy this steady foundation of understanding before it's time to empty the cup again. Who knows if after the flash hits if we'll be able to have collective consensus's of what 'reality' looks like but I'm sure it will be a awe inspiring adventure all the same. Get ready and lace 'em up for it's Game On!! ------ |
zacksavage User ID: 1410797 United States 08/25/2011 12:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Zack! And we've got a few more weeks to enjoy this steady foundation of understanding before it's time to empty the cup again. Who knows if after the flash hits if we'll be able to have collective consensus's of what 'reality' looks like but I'm sure it will be a awe inspiring adventure all the same. Quoting: BOWMAN Get ready and lace 'em up for it's Game On!! ------ I am more than ready. Z Free your mind,...your ass will follow. --- parliament funkadelic |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1500306 United States 08/25/2011 12:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what is the Truth? Quoting: BOWMAN In our world, the explanation about our place and purpose in the universe is governed by two different authorities. The subjective storytellers (religion), offer a purposeful and emotional explanation of our origins and to believe this kind of perspective requires faith. The objective calculators (scientific culture) offer a purposeless and emotionless explanation of our origins and this kind of perspective requires self honesty. The Darwinian model of our origins, which is fixated on physical evolution, is what's taught by academia, and it teaches that human beings are the result of accidents, randomness, and chance. Yet in a recent CBS News Opinion Poll, 78% of the responders believe in an afterlife. Essentially these people who voted in the affirmative believe there is more to reality than what 'scientific culture' has to offer. [link to www.cbsnews.com] This opposition between subjective thinking and objective thinking is what causes the world to be in the state it's in right now. When an individuals mind is opposed between what it's trained to observe and what it's trained to believe, the inevitable result is a mind in conflict with itself, and thus a multitude of minds in conflict with themselves becomes a world in conflict with itself. In essensnce, because these two different and opposing ways of perceiving yourself is the way people are taught or 'programmed', that if you thought of a given individuals mind as a computer, the 'operating system', the way it's programmed to think, has a 'fatal error', which would be the opposing of subjective and objective thinking in the way it perceives itself. And now is the time for an 'upgrade' to a new 'operating system' for the mind, one that supports objective AND subjective thinking working TOGETHER in the way it perceives itself. This is the kind of change the world is in very much need of, because it addresses the very root of all the problems you see out there in the world today. This is about rendering for yourself a reality in whiich what you observe and what you believe are in harmony, not opposed. Over the course of the last decade, and thanks in part to the timely manifestation of cyberspace, a phenomenon has been occuring relatively unnoticed. A new 'operating system' that supports the union of objective and subjective thinking in the way we perceive ourselves has become available. This new 'operating system' has not come from either the scientific or religious authorities, but it does use both facts and ideas from each side. What's phenomenal about it is that it's being passed along from one individual to the next, from one soul to the other in a spontaneous kind of way. One way to describe it is a new model of evolution, based upon the timing of empirical scientific and historical facts, and it demonstrates that human beings are here to experience a purposeful existence. The key to seeing this purposefulness is to change your perception of TIME and how we go about relating to it. We have been trained by 'scientific culture' to treat and relate to time through a geometric symbol, a line. A line only exists in one demension yet our reality is 3 demensional. So therefor scientific theories, especially Darwinism, are based on the assumption that time moves in the direction of a single demensional line that began at the theorized 'Big Bang', has progressed to this point, and will continue on and on in a purposeless manner. This is why we are taught that we are the product of randomness and chance, because all things that we know of in the totality of time are contained and expressed within a simple geometic line that presumably goes on forever. If the totality of time from our perspective here on Earth could be summed up as a 'picture or portrait of everything', we've essentially been studying the edge-on (linear) view of a picture frame. So what we need to do is change our perspective of the 'time portrait' in order to look at this picture face on. Because on that picture of time is a message. And if you're a human being, you qualify to see for YOURSELF what that message says. So the question now becomes, what can time be represented with, other than a line, that gives us a better view of ourselves and the reality we live in? The reality around us is made up of two different styles of geometry. Man in general uses classical geometry (circles, squares, triangle, etc.) to create and build in the world, and classical geometry is based on lines. That's our calling card. [link to www.google.com] Nature however uses a different type of geometry, called fractal geometry, in order to create and build the 'natural world' around you. Fractal geometry is based upon the helix. That's Nature's calling card. [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to www.google.com] We may chose to relate to time with a single demensional line, but Nature was here first, and the helix does indeed exist in 3 demensions. And within our human concept of 'linear time' there is a helical structure to time that is calibrated to the developement of human consciousness. From the manifestation of higher eukaryotic cells 1.2 billion years ago, the root type of cell all humans are made from, to the manifestation of our cyber world, Creation has been unfolding on a fractal growth schedule, which can be measured and studied, and that schedule is attuned to human conscious developement. A thread will be posted shortly that goes into this model of time in greater detail for those interested in learning more. This is an exercise in self discernment. It's not about believing what's written here. It's about going out to check for YOURSELF. 'Scientific culture' has told us that in order to make sense of our reality, a mathematical formula that ties together all the laws of Nature must be discovered that only the chosen few could read and discern. Dr. Calleman, because of your research and what it yielded, making sense of reality comes down to the ability to recognize a pattern, a fractal pattern. And any human being has the ability to do that. You cannot be thanked enough. ------ John 14:6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1403418 United States 09/11/2011 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what is the Truth? Quoting: BOWMAN In our world, the explanation about our place and purpose in the universe is governed by two different authorities. The subjective storytellers (religion), offer a purposeful and emotional explanation of our origins and to believe this kind of perspective requires faith. The objective calculators (scientific culture) offer a purposeless and emotionless explanation of our origins and this kind of perspective requires self honesty. The Darwinian model of our origins, which is fixated on physical evolution, is what's taught by academia, and it teaches that human beings are the result of accidents, randomness, and chance. Yet in a recent CBS News Opinion Poll, 78% of the responders believe in an afterlife. Essentially these people who voted in the affirmative believe there is more to reality than what 'scientific culture' has to offer. [link to www.cbsnews.com] This opposition between subjective thinking and objective thinking is what causes the world to be in the state it's in right now. When an individuals mind is opposed between what it's trained to observe and what it's trained to believe, the inevitable result is a mind in conflict with itself, and thus a multitude of minds in conflict with themselves becomes a world in conflict with itself. In essensnce, because these two different and opposing ways of perceiving yourself is the way people are taught or 'programmed', that if you thought of a given individuals mind as a computer, the 'operating system', the way it's programmed to think, has a 'fatal error', which would be the opposing of subjective and objective thinking in the way it perceives itself. And now is the time for an 'upgrade' to a new 'operating system' for the mind, one that supports objective AND subjective thinking working TOGETHER in the way it perceives itself. This is the kind of change the world is in very much need of, because it addresses the very root of all the problems you see out there in the world today. This is about rendering for yourself a reality in whiich what you observe and what you believe are in harmony, not opposed. Over the course of the last decade, and thanks in part to the timely manifestation of cyberspace, a phenomenon has been occuring relatively unnoticed. A new 'operating system' that supports the union of objective and subjective thinking in the way we perceive ourselves has become available. This new 'operating system' has not come from either the scientific or religious authorities, but it does use both facts and ideas from each side. What's phenomenal about it is that it's being passed along from one individual to the next, from one soul to the other in a spontaneous kind of way. One way to describe it is a new model of evolution, based upon the timing of empirical scientific and historical facts, and it demonstrates that human beings are here to experience a purposeful existence. The key to seeing this purposefulness is to change your perception of TIME and how we go about relating to it. We have been trained by 'scientific culture' to treat and relate to time through a geometric symbol, a line. A line only exists in one demension yet our reality is 3 demensional. So therefor scientific theories, especially Darwinism, are based on the assumption that time moves in the direction of a single demensional line that began at the theorized 'Big Bang', has progressed to this point, and will continue on and on in a purposeless manner. This is why we are taught that we are the product of randomness and chance, because all things that we know of in the totality of time are contained and expressed within a simple geometic line that presumably goes on forever. If the totality of time from our perspective here on Earth could be summed up as a 'picture or portrait of everything', we've essentially been studying the edge-on (linear) view of a picture frame. So what we need to do is change our perspective of the 'time portrait' in order to look at this picture face on. Because on that picture of time is a message. And if you're a human being, you qualify to see for YOURSELF what that message says. So the question now becomes, what can time be represented with, other than a line, that gives us a better view of ourselves and the reality we live in? The reality around us is made up of two different styles of geometry. Man in general uses classical geometry (circles, squares, triangle, etc.) to create and build in the world, and classical geometry is based on lines. That's our calling card. [link to www.google.com] Nature however uses a different type of geometry, called fractal geometry, in order to create and build the 'natural world' around you. Fractal geometry is based upon the helix. That's Nature's calling card. [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to www.google.com] We may chose to relate to time with a single demensional line, but Nature was here first, and the helix does indeed exist in 3 demensions. And within our human concept of 'linear time' there is a helical structure to time that is calibrated to the developement of human consciousness. From the manifestation of higher eukaryotic cells 1.2 billion years ago, the root type of cell all humans are made from, to the manifestation of our cyber world, Creation has been unfolding on a fractal growth schedule, which can be measured and studied, and that schedule is attuned to human conscious developement. A thread will be posted shortly that goes into this model of time in greater detail for those interested in learning more. This is an exercise in self discernment. It's not about believing what's written here. It's about going out to check for YOURSELF. 'Scientific culture' has told us that in order to make sense of our reality, a mathematical formula that ties together all the laws of Nature must be discovered that only the chosen few could read and discern. Dr. Calleman, because of your research and what it yielded, making sense of reality comes down to the ability to recognize a pattern, a fractal pattern. And any human being has the ability to do that. You cannot be thanked enough. ------ John 14:6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me. There may be truth to this statement, but it speaks only to certain geographies on Earth. How would this translate to Eastern sectors of the globe, who never get exposure to the Scriptures? ------ |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1403418 United States 09/11/2011 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | is duality the balance between imagined and not imagined Quoting: aether for our environment (universe) to exist imagined can never exist thus the truth (not imagined) awaits discovery Good question aether. At least it's another example of duality, the novelty/entropy of imagination. Calleman talks about the shifting Planetary Round of Light... "The key to understanding the Planetary Round of Light is that each Underworld is dominated by a specific Yin/Yang duality. These are all shown in Fig XX, which shows the earth as seen from the North Pole. Hence, as the Nine-storied pyramid is climbed, the Yin/Yang duality turns 90* with every new level of consciousness. Since the brains, and minds, of the human beings are in holographic resonance with the earth, the resulting frames of consciousness also of the human individuals will be dominated by different Yin/Yang dualities as the Cosmic Pyramid is climbed. This is the reason that the ahauob, the Mayan shaman-kings, would climb to the top of these Nine-storied pyramids to perform their ceremonies. By doing so, they sought at least symbolically, or in a trance state, to ascend to the Universal level of consciousness, and so return to a unity with the Cosmos. Some of these Yin/Yang dualities will create a separation between the brain halves of the humans and so create a dualist mind (meaning that in a human being on whom this is imposed, reality will be perceived through a dualist filter), while others will create a unitary mind (meaning that reality will be perceived as unitary). The Underworlds that are dualist may then either filter out the aspects of reality perceived by the West/left Hemisphere or those perceived by the East/right Hemisphere. When it comes to the unitary Underworlds, some of these will make human beings blindfolded, while others will make them Enlightened. As with so many other things in this book the detailed proofs for this Round of Light are not presented here, and so, what the reader must do is to try this perspective on and see if it fits her or his intuition." [link to www.deekshafire.com] Discovering the truth not imagined sounds like the decent into novelty. :tmwvzr: ------ |
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