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Most Christians Follow Paul, Not Jesus... Because Jesus is Anti-Family and Pro Law and They Hate the Law

 
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Most Christians Follow Paul, Not Jesus... Because Jesus is Anti-Family and Pro Law and They Hate the Law
Paul claims that the law is done away with.

Jesus, in a discussion of the End Times, says that the law [of Moses] shall not pass away--not a jot nor a tittle--until ALL [including the END TIMES] is accomplished.

The only part of the law that was fulfilled, was the ritual sacrifices. Which you are supposed to replace with a ritual symbolic cannibalistic ritual. "This do in remembrance of me".

BUT, there were some areas where they agreed...

Jesus says that you should abandon your family, so that you might be rewarded a hundredfold. He insulted his own mother. He told a young man not to honor his father through burial, but to leave the corpse to rot. Jesus says he came to set the members of a household against each other. Paul also did not like family.

Christians in general do NOT like that Jesus dude much, if at all. They really, really like the whole "saved by grace" stuff that Paul sold, though. They don't like the Law of their God and don't want to follow it. Paul gives them an easy out, and they are happy to take it and ignore the words of their jesus... whom they claim to follow.

They will also try to tell you that Jesus followed the Law himself, that he kept the 10 commandments... but they will also turn around and say that Jesus gave only two commandments and did away with everything else.

Yet nowhere does it say that. In point of fact, where it says that jesus gives only two commandments, he goes on to say that IF YOU KEEP THOSE TWO, you WILL be keeping all the laws simply by virtue of following those two...

Which in no way negates the laws, in fact, it just sums up the laws (well, not really, but we're pretending to actually believe the bible and jesus for a minute).

Christians work very hard to discredit the words of their jesus. Fortunately, they have a staunch ally in their efforts: Paul.
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Nah. Hilariously, I'm engaged in a discussion about censorship versus banning people who are harassive and stalkerish.

During that conversation, my posts got removed from a christian thread for pointing out that Jesus is pro-law and Paul is anti-law... and pointing out how Jesus is anti-family.

So, to make my point about the fact that, if someone removes your posts or bans you, you can simply start your own thread... I did so.

The point I was proving isn't really the point in the OP... though that one can easily be proven as well.
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Nah. Hilariously, I'm engaged in a discussion about censorship versus banning people who are harassive and stalkerish.

During that conversation, my posts got removed from a christian thread for pointing out that Jesus is pro-law and Paul is anti-law... and pointing out how Jesus is anti-family.

So, to make my point about the fact that, if someone removes your posts or bans you, you can simply start your own thread... I did so.

The point I was proving isn't really the point in the OP... though that one can easily be proven as well.
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Jesus was never "anti-family", but I can see how you would interpret scriptures that way. Interpretation of the Bible always depends on what your agenda is. Your antichrist agenda seems pretty clear. My agenda is also pretty clear.

According to the Bible in Rev 5:1-10:10, only the Christ can produce the "7 seals". These are the "7 seals"/'beyond Einstein theories'. I tweaked them yesterday (7/11/11 21:50) by adding, "A black hole of one(19) solar mass will have a Schwarzschild radius of 1.86 miles". Yesterday being 7/11 and aligning with Matthew 7:11 is no 'coincidence'.

To see them explained in detail, visit [link to 7seals.yuku.com] ...


There Are No Coincidences (Coin4c1idences7[88])

There is synchronism. Everything evolves by laws of nature, is (w)hole(40) and mathematically interwoven. All things are related, some more closely than others. Everything that happens affects everything else. Every†hing has meaning in the ‘Grand Scheme’ of God/Fod’s universes. Anytime an idea(19)* is connect(59/74)ed to natur(74)e, it’s not only logical(59) – it was inevitable, i.e. sacred geometry and gematria(74)…


The Big Bang (supermassive white hole) 13.7 billion years ago was the result of a supermassive black hole in another universe. This duality combines these two singularities in a birth-life-death-rebirth relationship within The Conglomerate of universes. This 'simple' cause-and-effect explains the existence of both infinite space and infinite time (eternity). Self-replication is the simplest design(58) for everything from a cell to a universe to a mind.


GOD(3)=7_4 ... god=good=gooooooood=G-d=7_4, 7/4=July 4th or 7 April
Simple(6,74) English(7,74) Gematria(8,74) - the key(74): A=1...Z=26
Royal Cubits(74) = 7 palms (palm = 4 fingers), Standard Cubits = 6 palms x 4 fingers = 17.76" FIG=6/7 Jesus(74) born 4/17/6 BC or 17/4/747 AUC, crucified 7/4/782
FOD(3)=6_4 ... fod=food=fooooooood=F-d=6_4 ... Genesis 6:4
Juan(46) 1:1 - Fod is the Founder/Creator of ‘Planet Nestor’: Rev 21:1
Venus .7 AU & Mercury .4 AU, lunar phases 7.4 days. etc. Nestor’s inner planets at .6 & .4 AU, lunar phases 6.4 days, etc., hence F6od4 [link to exep.jpl.nasa.gov] Identifying 'True Earth-like Planets' - All New Worlds Are Built On 7_4 (like Earth) Or 6_4


ligh† is not the fas†es† thing in The Conglomerate (ui) – †hough† is superluminal and defies strict linear †ime. Gamma rays, quasars, antimatter, negative energy, & helium 3 are not the most energetic things in the u(i) – thought is... Y h w/ h(64)? ... thought=h2c² ... new thought=t²h2up
G7od4=†he(33) 1 Mind(40)=universal quantum computer=12t hi ui pi
(universes [u}, infinite [i}, hydrogen [h], speed of light [c], time [t], pain & pleasure [p])


Metonic cycle: 19 tropical years = 6,940 days = 235 synodic months = 254 sidereal months. Nutation: Moon’s 18.6 year cycle (US coastlines mapped every 18.6 y). Two(58) eclipse seasons are 18.6 days shy of a year. Earth orbits Sun at 18.6 mps w/ an orbital diameter of 186,000,000 miles, speed of light=186,282 mps, solar flares take ~19 hrs to reach Earth. Ra(19), King Tut died at 18 or 19. A black hole of one(19) solar mass will have a Schwarzschild radius of 1.86 miles. Hebrew cal.(58)’s 19 y, Adam=A1d4a1m13=19, Eve (Heb.)=19, S(19) (Start, She, Serpent/ Snake/Satan, Smart, Sex, Sin, Seven Seals). Jesus’ 18._ ‘lost years’, 12 male + 7 female disciples (12/7), Cana(19), Mt 19:19, Josephus’ Jewish(74) Antiquities 18.63 re: Y'shua(74), Messiah(74), & Christians. Knights Templar 1119. ~18.6 years after Benjamin Franklin died - Abraham Lincoln born (Franklin’s Anti-Slavery Bill 2/12/1790)^, Antietam 1862.71, 1863: slaves freed & “In God We Trust” added to US coins, Civil War won 7/4/1863 (1863.51, 18:63:51=7:04pm), Lady4 Freedom7 placed atop Capitol(7) Dome(4). White House complex covers 18.5 acres or 7.4 hectares. 19 WH 18'6" Xmas Trees. Albert Einstein in 1919: relativity proven during eclipse, receives Kaluza’s 5 dimension theory, associates with Zion(64)ists. 1,863 y between destruction of Herod’s Temple & Hitler 1933. AI doubles capacity every 18._ months. DNA(19), *idea(19), egg(19). 747s takeoff at ~186 mph, Space Shuttle Columbia’s cabin began disintegrating at 18.6 mach. Flight 19 7:04pm^^, Flight 191, 1 World Trade Center(186), 19 9/11 hijackers - “Over Hellfire are 19 angels” – Qur’an 74:30, Holy Qur'an encoded #19, Q 19:19. Golf’s R&A(19) & 19th Hole. QB(19). PC(19). FL(18)/FLA(19), 7/4=185th/186th day, 186 countries in IMF**. 19th Amendment. Baha'i's 19 days. Sputnik 185 lbs, Apollo 18 & Soyuz 19 docked in orbit. Adulthood: 18.5 years, 18-wheelers + spare. Moses & 19th Dynasty. Jah(19). Do(19). FM(19). Dan(19). Lg(19). Cop(19).
(^t 9/1/09 22:50 Dow -186. ^^t 12/19/05 12:19 Chalk’s seaplane crashes off Watson Island, Miami. Built in ’47, the plane was 58-y-o. 19 of 20 bodies found initial(74)ly. 1st passenger deaths since Chalk’s began in 1919. And(19), King Tut Exhibit in Ft. Laud. **5/14/18:16 IMF Head jailed.)


Unified String Theory
3D rs + 7D hs + 7a rt + 4a ht = 21 dimensions/aspects of spacetime

Nestor’s u21s19 theory
3D rs + 6D hs + 6a rt + 4a ht = 19D/a st

(incomplete, yet engineerable + 'separability')
(dimensions [D], regular space [rs], hyperspace [hs], aspects [a], regular time [rt], hypertime [ht])


E=mc² ... Conglomeratal Energy(74) eternal = light²× mass of infinite universes
CEe=God=2 Christmases ... God=CEe=mass × infinite Christs
CEe = 5mass ×/+ 8time = 40/13masstime ... God=40/13mt
Conglomeratal Energies eternal = infinite universes × 10 senses × 6 mass × 9 time
gods(e) = 6m u(i) 10s 9t


Reincarna†ion †heory & its 21 Principles includes 10 ways to track a soul + scientific laws including energy, information, & consciousness can’t be destroyed, only transferred. Life (like all matter & energy) is both waves & particles. Natural selection/"survival of the fittest" assures that human souls that help the global system will return as human.
Luck 100 = karma 4 + modesty 1 × [desire 4 + actions 4 + ability 4 + contribution 4 + blessings 4]
FDR > Barack Obama, George Washington > Robert E. Lee > Eisenhower, Marilyn Monroe > Janet Jackson[58], Ben Franklin > Lincoln > Einstein >


- Richard ‘Brad’shaw Wa†son II

“You are to contemplate the intellectual faculties and to trace them in their development through the paths of nature and science even to the throne of G7od4 Himself.” – Masonic(7,74) oath(4,44)

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Nah. Hilariously, I'm engaged in a discussion about censorship versus banning people who are harassive and stalkerish.

During that conversation, my posts got removed from a christian thread for pointing out that Jesus is pro-law and Paul is anti-law... and pointing out how Jesus is anti-family.

So, to make my point about the fact that, if someone removes your posts or bans you, you can simply start your own thread... I did so.

The point I was proving isn't really the point in the OP... though that one can easily be proven as well.
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If you don't mind- which thread?




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Thread: If Everyone Followed Jesus, There Would Hardly Be Any Suffering in the World.
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You don't mind posting the scriptures in which jesus insulted his mother, told a man not to honor his father ect...
because I could say jesus claimed he was a totally cool awesome uber1337 dragon, and not post the actual scripture in which he says such a thing.
I'm not saying your lying, but I can't say your telling the truth either since there seems to be a lack of scriptures.
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Jesus was never "anti-family", but I can see how you would interpret scriptures that way. Interpretation of the Bible always depends on what your agenda is. Your antichrist agenda seems pretty clear. My agenda is also pretty clear.
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Are you smoking crack?

Post the PRO FAMILY verses from jesus. Post something relevant. And something I can understand, if you don't mind. ppig
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How can you be anti family and pro law, when one of the 10 commandments (I know there are more then 10 laws, more like 300 laws) were "honor thy father and thy mother"? Mother and farther are family, and honoring sounds pro mother and father and in being so, pro family AND pro law.
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You don't mind posting the scriptures in which jesus insulted his mother, told a man not to honor his father ect...
because I could say jesus claimed he was a totally cool awesome uber1337 dragon, and not post the actual scripture in which he says such a thing.
I'm not saying your lying, but I can't say your telling the truth either since there seems to be a lack of scriptures.
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John 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

This, for the time period, would be akin to if you said to your own mother, "Bitch, what do you want? I'm busy!" Knowing the culture of the time, this comment is disgustingly disparaging to his mother. It's arrogant and dismissive for the culture at the time. Truly, he would have been put to death for it if his parents had followed the law he espoused.

Other versions try to include "dear woman", but that's not in the connotation of the word used, and it's not in the text, either... it's an added word to make it sound prettier.

Even for our day, we can see the rudeness and shortness in that response.

Luke 9:59And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

60Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

61And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.

62And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.



No one is to look back to his family. You go to Jesus, you have no more family, and you are to leave your dead father to rot.

Mark 10: 29And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,

30But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

31But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.


Abandon your family so you can receive a hundredfold... not just a new family (apparently families are totally replaceable, as this is the second time the bible god just casually replaces family like it's just that simple)... but money and land and everything else.

Plus in heaven he gets goodies, too!

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Jesus was never "anti-family", but I can see how you would interpret scriptures that way. Interpretation of the Bible always depends on what your agenda is. Your antichrist agenda seems pretty clear. My agenda is also pretty clear.
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Are you smoking crack?

Post the PRO FAMILY verses from jesus. Post something relevant. And something I can understand, if you don't mind. ppig
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Lets start with 'honor your mother and father'. Those are some of the first words and Jesus is the word. He is one with God and together they always existed. Face it your interpretation of Jesus is out of line. Its limited, false and inaccurate.
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Jesus was never "anti-family", but I can see how you would interpret scriptures that way. Interpretation of the Bible always depends on what your agenda is. Your antichrist agenda seems pretty clear. My agenda is also pretty clear.
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Are you smoking crack?

Post the PRO FAMILY verses from jesus. Post something relevant. And something I can understand, if you don't mind. ppig
 Quoting: Sandi_T




Lets start with 'honor your mother and father'. Those are some of the first words and Jesus is the word. He is one with God and together they always existed. Face it your interpretation of Jesus is out of line. Its limited, false and inaccurate.
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You don't have any pro-family verses from jesus, either, I see.

There are multiple anti-family verses from jesus. I've posted a couple.

You can try to claim they are "limited, false, and inaccurate" all you want. But POST THE PRO VERSES, and put your money where your mouth is.

I'm on pins and needles. Post them. Show us where jesus is pro-family. It shouldn't be hard. You DO know the bible, don't you?!
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OP does not know God and does not know Christians.

"To those who have faith, no explanation is necessary. To those without faith, no explanation is accepted." --St. Thomas Aquinas
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Lets start with 'honor your mother and father'. Those are some of the first words and Jesus is the word. He is one with God and together they always existed. Face it your interpretation of Jesus is out of line. Its limited, false and inaccurate.
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You don't have any pro-family verses from jesus, either, I see.

There are multiple anti-family verses from jesus. I've posted a couple.

You can try to claim they are "limited, false, and inaccurate" all you want. But POST THE PRO VERSES, and put your money where your mouth is.

I'm on pins and needles. Post them. Show us where jesus is pro-family. It shouldn't be hard. You DO know the bible, don't you?!


You posted your warped interpretation of scripture, you didn't post the actual scripture in context. Face it you are angry at God and don't know anything about love and this is why you are lashing out demanding that we love you and your insight. Well, as christian let just ask you to go fuck yourself cos I ain't listening to you.
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Oh, and what was jesus' response to "honor your father and your mother"? When he was confronted with it, what did he say?

Jesus says that the Pharisees are obeying the letter of the law, but not the spirit of the law... and then jesus commands a follower to break the letter of the law, thus keeping NEITHER!
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OP, get off your "pins and needles"....

You posted your warped interpretation of scripture, you didn't post the actual scripture in context. Face it you are angry at God and don't know anything about love and this is why you are lashing out demanding that we love you and your insight. Well, as christian let just ask you to go fuck yourself cos I ain't listening to you.
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OP does not know God and does not know Christians.

"To those who have faith, no explanation is necessary. To those without faith, no explanation is accepted." --St. Thomas Aquinas
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I know God. I know Christians, as well.

I know God is NOT found in the bLible in whole, and only barely in part.

I also, obviously, know the bible much better than you do.

You posted your warped interpretation of scripture, you didn't post the actual scripture in context. Face it you are angry at God and don't know anything about love and this is why you are lashing out demanding that we love you and your insight. Well, as christian let just ask you to go fuck yourself cos I ain't listening to you.
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LOL, where did I demand that you love me? Nowhere.

But then again, your jesus demanded it of you. But like so many others of your ilk, you don't listen to THAT GUY!
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OP does not know God and does not know Christians.


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Who is Paul, really?

Paul was a contemporary of Jesus, according to accounts. Yet, there are no mentions of him, supposedly the premier executioner of jesus' followers, by any of the historians of the time.

Additionally, as a person zealous for the law, and the premier executioner of anyone who wasn't... it's... unexplainable... that he managed to entirely ignore the source of the unrest for all of those years.

Never tried to kill the one man who is the source of all of the trouble... never mentioned, despite being the big dog of the region as far as cleaning up the place.

Further, all of these letters from our dear paul that made their way into the canon... but yet not a single letter from BEFORE his spectacular (but contradictory) conversion?!

Nothing at all about paul outside of the letters written by him that support the abolishment of the jewish law?!
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Prayer said for you Sandi T. Your heart is so scared and hardened that you are blind to the fact that Jesus is the only born son of God. May God have mercy on your soul for that rejection. I pray that He opens your eyes and softens your heart before it is too late.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Your preaching sux. The 4th commandment is about adultery. That means to get married and stay married to the same person until death do us part. It also means if any family member says anything different God's word is final on the matter.
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Interesting observations OP,

However, you are only looking on the surface. Paul didn't preach differently than Jesus. It is true that there are many Christians who seems to follow Paul over Christ, but Paul preached Christ continuously.

Peter wrote this regarding Paul:

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The term, "Christian" means, "a follower of Christ."

Those who follow Paul are "Paulians." Even though Paul taught Christ, as Peter wrote in the above verses, most pick and chose what they want to hear from Paul's writings.

In regards to the law, Paul wrote this, and more.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

When people tried to worship Paul in the scriptures he tore his cloths, because Paul knew and taught that Jesus is the way the truth and the life.


Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Acts 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Amazingly, people are still doing that today.

Scriptures interprets scripture. When attempting to understand one scripture, we must look at all scriptures involving the subject, from Genesis to Revelation. Otherwise, we take what sounds good to us and run with it.

No man can override the words of God.
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Paul disputes jesus directly:

Jesus says not to follow those who say the time is at hand... and Paul says exactly that.

Luke 21:8 Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name, saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them.

Romans 13:12 the night is far gone, the day [of jesus' return] is at hand.

Did jesus give the apostles the Word or didn't he?

John 17:14, 17 I have given them [the apostles] thy word; Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth.

1Cor. 2:13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit.

Gal. 1:12 For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Is god the god of the dead or of the living?

Luke 20:38 Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living;

Rom. 14:9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

One commandment, or two? Love God or only people??

Matt. 22:37-40 And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the great and first commandment.
And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.


Rom. 13:9 The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Who does God have mercy on?

Matt. 5:7 Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

Rom. 9:15-16, 18 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy.
So then he has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills.

Jesus says forgiveness requires that you forgive, Paul disagrees and says all that's needed is the blood.

Matt. 6:14-15 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you;
but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


Eph. 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace

Rom. 4:25 who was put to death for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

What condemns you?

Matt. 12:37 for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.

Rom. 3:24, 28 they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,
For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.

Rom. 5:9 Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

The COST of following jesus:

Matt. 19:29 And every one who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name's sake, will receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.

Luke 14:28 For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?
33 So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.


Rom. 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Be honorable in God's sight, or in mens'?!

Luke 16:15 But he said to them, You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

Luke 6:26 Woe to you, when all men speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.

2Cor. 8:21 for we aim at what is honorable not only in the Lord's sight but also in the sight of men.

Rom. 12:17 Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all men.

Rom. 14:18 he who thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men.

1 Cor. 10:33 just as I try to please all men in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.

Judged by the law, or by Jesus' words??

John 12:48 He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.

Rom. 2:12 All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.




And on and on it goes...
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Interesting observations OP,

However, you are only looking on the surface. Paul didn't preach differently than Jesus. It is true that there are many Christians who seems to follow Paul over Christ, but Paul preached Christ continuously.

Peter wrote this regarding Paul:

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The term, "Christian" means, "a follower of Christ."

Those who follow Paul are "Paulians." Even though Paul taught Christ, as Peter wrote in the above verses, most pick and chose what they want to hear from Paul's writings.

In regards to the law, Paul wrote this, and more.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

When people tried to worship Paul in the scriptures he tore his cloths, because Paul knew and taught that Jesus is the way the truth and the life.


Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Acts 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Amazingly, people are still doing that today.

Scriptures interprets scripture. When attempting to understand one scripture, we must look at all scriptures involving the subject, from Genesis to Revelation. Otherwise, we take what sounds good to us and run with it.

No man can override the words of God.
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The Paul of Acts is not the same as the writer of the Epistles.

The Paul of Acts is subservient. He is a junior "brother" of the others. There is only one questionable point at which he indirectly gets the "apostle" title... and through language of the original, it's unlikely it was any reference to him at all.

The paul of the letters, on the other hand, is filled with braggadocio. He continually pushes and pushes "I am an apostle" and he is the big boss man. He's the Chosen One.

Yet he never makes mention of his conversion. He simply paints himself as the big boss apostle. The leader, the one with the most converts, the one the other apostles look to for guidance, etc.

Additionally, there are several indications that even in the Acts, Luke was trying to warn that Paul was a Trojan Horse. Interestingly enough, in the supposedly perfect and god-inspired KJV, the major contributor to this claim is removed... ironic given that the KJV is claimed by so many to be the definitive, perfect translation, don't you think?
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Sandi, sometimes we have to look at different interpretations. I prefer the KJV, but I will also look at other interpretations for clarity. I'll post the first two verses that you posted from the KJV, we can look at other versions as well if you'd like.

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Romans 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

Paul never claimed to be Christ. However, there are many that do that today, even here on these forums.

Paul warned of the same things that Christ warned of...

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Jesus said this:

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Luke 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Acts 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

There is no contradiction in what Paul says in those verses.
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It has been proven that ritualistic abuse leads to confrontational behavior....

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Paul claims that the law is done away with.

Jesus, in a discussion of the End Times, says that the law [of Moses] shall not pass away--not a jot nor a tittle--until ALL [including the END TIMES] is accomplished.

The only part of the law that was fulfilled, was the ritual sacrifices. Which you are supposed to replace with a ritual symbolic cannibalistic ritual. "This do in remembrance of me".

BUT, there were some areas where they agreed...

Jesus says that you should abandon your family, so that you might be rewarded a hundredfold. He insulted his own mother. He told a young man not to honor his father through burial, but to leave the corpse to rot. Jesus says he came to set the members of a household against each other. Paul also did not like family.

Christians in general do NOT like that Jesus dude much, if at all. They really, really like the whole "saved by grace" stuff that Paul sold, though. They don't like the Law of their God and don't want to follow it. Paul gives them an easy out, and they are happy to take it and ignore the words of their jesus... whom they claim to follow.

They will also try to tell you that Jesus followed the Law himself, that he kept the 10 commandments... but they will also turn around and say that Jesus gave only two commandments and did away with everything else.

Yet nowhere does it say that. In point of fact, where it says that jesus gives only two commandments, he goes on to say that IF YOU KEEP THOSE TWO, you WILL be keeping all the laws simply by virtue of following those two...

Which in no way negates the laws, in fact, it just sums up the laws (well, not really, but we're pretending to actually believe the bible and jesus for a minute).

Christians work very hard to discredit the words of their jesus. Fortunately, they have a staunch ally in their efforts: Paul.
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Jesus is fake, deal with it
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Sandi, sometimes we have to look at different interpretations. I prefer the KJV, but I will also look at other interpretations for clarity. I'll post the first two verses that you posted from the KJV, we can look at other versions as well if you'd like.

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Romans 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

Paul never claimed to be Christ. However, there are many that do that today, even here on these forums.
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Yet he claimed to be an apostle, something he was not, even according to Acts. He also stated [falsely] that 'salvation' was 'sooner than we ever imagined'.

Jesus was warning of false PROPHETS, not of false christs. According to the Acts, paul was not a apostle, but he claimed it.

Paul warned of the same things that Christ warned of...

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Jesus said this:

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Luke 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Acts 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

There is no contradiction in what Paul says in those verses.
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There may not be a contradiction in those verses, but I have posted a great many contradictions, and there's more, too.

I could agree with christians by saying that the 10 commandments should be followed. But since I state that the bible is lies and that jesus never existed in the way he's presented, am I now a christian because I made a statement christians agree with? Or is the statement in which I DISAGREE, of much more importance?!
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It has been proven that ritualistic abuse leads to confrontational behavior....

Jus sayin
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An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. [snip]

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).


You use a pointless ad hominem because you haven't the wit to stick to the salient points of the argument.

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Paul claims that the law is done away with.

Jesus, in a discussion of the End Times, says that the law [of Moses] shall not pass away--not a jot nor a tittle--until ALL [including the END TIMES] is accomplished.

The only part of the law that was fulfilled, was the ritual sacrifices. Which you are supposed to replace with a ritual symbolic cannibalistic ritual. "This do in remembrance of me".

BUT, there were some areas where they agreed...

Jesus says that you should abandon your family, so that you might be rewarded a hundredfold. He insulted his own mother. He told a young man not to honor his father through burial, but to leave the corpse to rot. Jesus says he came to set the members of a household against each other. Paul also did not like family.

Christians in general do NOT like that Jesus dude much, if at all. They really, really like the whole "saved by grace" stuff that Paul sold, though. They don't like the Law of their God and don't want to follow it. Paul gives them an easy out, and they are happy to take it and ignore the words of their jesus... whom they claim to follow.

They will also try to tell you that Jesus followed the Law himself, that he kept the 10 commandments... but they will also turn around and say that Jesus gave only two commandments and did away with everything else.

Yet nowhere does it say that. In point of fact, where it says that jesus gives only two commandments, he goes on to say that IF YOU KEEP THOSE TWO, you WILL be keeping all the laws simply by virtue of following those two...

Which in no way negates the laws, in fact, it just sums up the laws (well, not really, but we're pretending to actually believe the bible and jesus for a minute).

Christians work very hard to discredit the words of their jesus. Fortunately, they have a staunch ally in their efforts: Paul.
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Yet he claimed to be an apostle, something he was not, even according to Acts.
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