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Michele Bachmann's Church Says the Pope Is the Antichrist

 
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Michele Bachmann is practically synonymous with political controversy, and if the 2008 presidential election is any guide, the conservative Lutheran church she belonged to for many years is likely to add another chapter due to the nature of its beliefs--such as its assertion, explained and footnoted on this website, that the Roman Catholic Pope is the Antichrist.

Bachmann was a longtime member of the Salem Evangelical Lutheran Church in Stillwater, Minn., which belongs to the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS), a council of churches founded in 1850 that today comprises about 400,000 people. WELS is the most conservative of the major Lutheran church organizations, known for its strict adherence to the writings of Martin Luther, the German theologian who broke with the Catholic Church and launched the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. This includes endorsing Luther's statements about the papacy. From the WELS "Doctrinal Statement on the Antichrist":

Since Scripture teaches that the Antichrist would be revealed and gives the marks by which the Antichrist is to be recognized, and since this prophecy has been clearly fulfilled in the history and development of the Roman Papacy, it is Scripture which reveals that the Papacy is the Antichrist.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Barack Obama's relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright nearly derailed his quest for the Democratic nomination after video surfaced of Wright's extreme pronouncements. Similarly, the views of Bachmann's church toward the papacy--which are well outside the mainstream of modern political discourse--could pose a problem as she pursues the Republican nomination.

Seeking to better understand WELS theology and how voters should regard it, I called the Rev. Marcus Birkholz of Salem Lutheran Church in Stillwater. When I identified myself, he hung up. Turning the other cheek, I called WELS and had slightly better luck. While I didn't get to speak to a pastor, as I'd hoped, Joel Hochmuth, the communications director, did his best to oblige. On the matter of the Antichrist, he said, "Some people have this vision of a little devil running around with horns and red pointy ears. Luther was clear that by 'Antichrist' [he meant] anybody who puts himself up in place of Christ. Luther never bought the idea of the Pope being God's voice in today's world. He believed Scripture is God's word." Hochmuth hastened to add that despite the lengthy doctrinal statement, the belief that the Pope is the Antichrist "has never been one of our driving principles."

Hochmuth also revealed that Bachmann is no longer a member of the WELS congregation. "I do know that she has requested a release of her membership," he said, adding that she took the unusual step of formally requesting that release in writing. "She has not been an active member of our fellowship during the last year." Hochmuth wouldn't speculate on whether her presidential ambitions factored in this decision -- the nation's 70 million Catholics (who lean Republican) might not respond kindly to the Pope-as-Antichrist stuff -- but he did emphasize that "it's not something you're going to hear preached from our pulpits every Sunday."

Nevertheless, the statement alarmed prominent Catholics. "Clearly, that is anti-Catholic," said Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, a national organization devoted to protecting Catholic civil rights. "This kind of hatred is reminiscent of Bob Jones. I believe [Bachmann] has in the past condemned anti-Catholicism. But there's no question -- all you have to do is read it -- that they clearly have anti-Catholic statements up there." Donohue said he would refrain from making any judgments until he heard from Bachmann, who he said must address the matter promptly. "We never went after Obama for sitting there for 20 years listening to Rev. 'Goddam America' Wright. I don't want to give him a pass, but I saw no bigotry on Obama's part. Similarly, I have see none on Bachmann's part. But it's clear that the [synod]'s teachings are noxious and it's important for her to speak to the issue. Obama had to answer for Wright, McCain had to answer for [the Rev. John] Hagee, and this is something that Bachmann has to answer for."
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Awesome
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Michelle is cancelled.

When are you anti-Catholics going to figure this out.
Who says communion is only a symbol? Who denies the
Jesus Christ is truly present in the Holy Eucharist?

The time is coming when the anti-Christ, the false prophet,
evil will take over the Church and proclaim the Holy Eucharist to be only a symbol!!!


Get it?


I hope so,
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Michelle is cancelled.

When are you anti-Catholics going to figure this out.
Who says communion is only a symbol? Who denies
Jesus Christ is truly present in the Holy Eucharist?

The time is coming when the anti-Christ, the false prophet,
evil will take over the Church and proclaim the Holy Eucharist to be only a symbol!!!


Get it?


I hope so,
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I personally think he is.. catholics are a bunch of know nothings because they goto mass and dont read the bible..

I have family who are one.. so i'm not talking out my ass. The whole concept of mary worship is WAY off base.. I'm sure jesus appreciates every one liking his mother but I dont think she's god nor will ever be. Shes the earthly mother of a heavenly sent being.. inquisitio
Born in the USA.
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It's true! Read the book "Lucifer Dethroned" writen by a hard core satinist.
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Finished reading that book. Holy Crap what a heck of a Journey that guys life has been. He got into things that would make your hair curl!
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Michelle is cancelled.

When are you anti-Catholics going to figure this out.
Who says communion is only a symbol? Who denies
Jesus Christ is truly present in the Holy Eucharist?

The time is coming when the anti-Christ, the false prophet,
evil will take over the Church and proclaim the Holy Eucharist to be only a symbol!!!


Get it?


I hope so,

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Sad to read the negative comments after mine. No one said
a word about the above. Gone over your head I think.

Fallen away Catholics, many of them will return at the
Great Warning.

Mary tells us to pray, pray, pray for conversions and for
them, pray for their reversion. hf
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AND HER OLD MAN LOOKIN GAY
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He is. Luther was correct!

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There are many christian denominations which claim that the Pope / Roman Catholic Church is the anti-christ.
But what is really the anti-Christ?

Does one separate one self from it by isolating it to a church, i.e the Roman Catholic Church?
Bachmann has distanced herself from her church (possibly) because of the potential political consequences of such a doctrine. She seemed, however, to be comfortable with it for the last 10 years. Has she, however, distanced herself from it in her heart?

...Politics first (self interest first) and God second! Does not this say something about the anti-christ?

Christ said that there would be many false christs (false anointed ones) and false prophets (false proclaimers of truth). He never said that the anti-christ is a person or a religious organization. Christ’s teachings dealt with the “spiritual” domain of man. The anti-christ is therefore a belief and way of life which in itself is against the True God and Christ.

Given that the Creator God claims to be the One and Only God of all mankind and creation and that Christ is the One and Only Way to Him, it is obvious then that the anti-christ would have to be a worldwide belief system which would have preeminence above the Creator God and Christ. It would have to be a belief that all nations would embrace, proclaim, defend, and live by. It would have to be a belief by which even “Christians” would be “mislead”.

The creation of the Roman Catholic Church was founded on this “belief” when they placed the worship of caesar before the worship of God and His Son Jesus Christ in order to have the freedom to continue with their christian religion.
It continues to live by and defend this belief today.
But it is not the originator of it nor is it the only one.

Today, this same belief system is seen on a global scale, affecting all the nations on the earth.

What belief system is this priority way of life? Hint...politics first (self-interest first).

It can only be the desire for and belief in man’s freedom of self-rights, freedom of religion, and universal values.

President Obama has portrayed the belief in universal values as the new world religion, or tree of knowledge of good and evil, from which all other religions (as branches) have the “right” to be worshipped as per one’s own justification and self-interest. It is the “god of fortresses” that protects and gives liberty to all other beliefs. God is no longer seen as the Most High. He has now been positioned on the same level as one of the other “fortresses”, as a religion among other religions. It will soon be decreed that the declaration that Christ is the Only Way is divisive, anti-democratic, and illegal.

However, the True God, and His Christ, is not a religion.

Man’s way and laws will not stop the return of Christ as the Only King of kings, to bring forth God’s Kingdom and His Way of Truth on earth. Keep in mind that there will not be any desire for or belief in freedom of religion in God’s kingdom.

This belief in self-rights, self-rule, and universal values is the image, mark, name, and number that will cause “even the elect” to willingly accept, live by, worship, and advance this belief, as already seen within all Christian churches. “Freedom of religion” are the first words spoken by all “churches” in times of “persecution” or legal battles.

This is the belief that is referred to by the last king of the north in the prophecy found in Daniel 11:36-39, “...for he shall magnify himself (self-will) above all gods...and he will advance the glory of this “god of fortresses”.”

Soon, this preeminent belief in “man’s way of peace” will be superimposed above Jerusalem (the city of peace) as the belief above all beliefs “...for he shall plant the tabernacle of his palace between (and above) the seas and the glorious Holy mountain”... as the belief above Christ and above the True and Only God. This is the abomination. This will be done when President Obama will orchestrate the peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians.
I pray that man and Christians will recognize this deception and stand instead for Christ, the One and Only Way to Our Father and Creator.
John Stefanyszyn
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