As A Christian, I'd Like To Tell Both Believers & Unbelievers That "Hell" And The Concept of Hell Are Not In The Bible.

You still don't get it and I'm not even trying to be
insulting as I know I can be.

A murder gets eternally punished for his/her actions
whether it is a LIFE sentence or death.

The fact you concede interpretation is KEY is interesting no?

The bible (after spelling every other nastiness that awaits us) God, being as infallible and perfect as he is didn't think that he would have to grace us with a definition that would ring absolute and unequivocal...

You tell me. It's not in the original Greek. Getting "hell" from the word "hades" is a negligent and gross mis-translation.

The thing you are failing to acknowledge is that
there is this elusive word that MANY people overlook
when things like personal interpretation seem to take hold of people's beliefs, instead of using sound judgment and critical thinking...for example: CONTEXT.

Revelation does not state that humans will suffer
the same eternal suffering as the beast, false prophet and the devil will....

^^^ This FACT cannot be disputed....Check.

2nd, Your ignorance is leaking through your words.

First off, I have never hopped on any "bandwagon"
as you have appeared to have done...by virtue of your faith.

A faith based on conjecture/widely accepted opinion
(without FACTS) is akin to believing that
the money in circulation is backed by substance.

I don't pound my chest in thinking I could possibly know
something I do not: whether or not the bible is real
and whether or not there is Jesus/God awaiting his
"children" to obtain everlasting life....because I do not.

I humbly admit I know not.
What I do know is that God has fucked up many many times
and has a shitty track record when it comes to:

unconditional love
compassion empathy
open and honest communication.

In fact he's done the complete opposite.
You may feel different, fine.
But don't pretend that I'm some idiot who spouts off
and repeats (like a parrot) what he's been read or told!
And then believes this hearsay with absolution that it is true. It doesn't work like that for me.

Isn't it ironic you claim the OP bases his knowledge on
"mis-interpretations" yet you feel that somehow YOURS are infallibly correct?

The beauty of belief, YET the problem with belief! = Irony.


It's very conceivable that the 2nd death means once
cast into the lake of fire: your soul is destroyed AND
that means your soul is forever dead...NOT forever suffering in eternal torture.

Make sense? Or are you going to create interpretations
from scripture that do not exist?

God will save ALL in the end by bringing all unto willful repentance because of His unfailing love, not by fear. Read 1 Corinthians 13. If the Father wills that all be saved then who will stop Him? If Jesus fails to reconcile the whole world to God the Father then He failed in His mission. Both of these statements are impossible to the believer if you would think about it instead of resting on your doctrines. Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ (not Calvinism or Arminianism)is the true gospel. Amen!

Funny how people like you can't stay away from the threads you like to bitch so much about.

universalsalvation.org

Covers many of the bases of this doctrine. Solid resource. I agree with you. There are more verses throughout the entire bible that point to universal salvation than to any other doctrine. Most if not all christians agree that God is All powerful and that He wills to save All mankind, but most don't believe God is able. Open your eyes people! He is able and this is what He desires for us, so it shall be done. God is different than us in that He can cause things to transpire out of His will. Because He is God. Amazing concept God can DO ALL that He desires!

While some call it annihilationism, simply stated, "Conditional Immortality" is the biblical belief that the "immortality" of the soul is not inherent (Greek philosophers thinking) but conditional (Biblical thinking) upon receiving the gift of everlasting life through faith in Yeshua . It is part and parcel of the
gospel. God alone has immortality -- anyone else becomes immortal only as a result of God's gracious gift (1 Timothy 6:16, Romans 2:7)

* (He/ YESHUA, has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel. (2 Timothy 1:9b-10)

[link to www.jewishnotgreek.com]

Matthew 7: 13-14

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Everyone will be saved by faith,

universalsalvation.org

what's wrong with reading something else?

Through the years of mis-translations of the original Greek texts, people have taken those translations and run with them. They've started seminary schools, pastors have been taught and pastors have then taught, concepts not found in the Bible.

Unfortunately, as with all things in life there are groups of people that look to control the thoughts of others. Sadly, it doesn't stop at the church doors. Deceit is wherever people are gathered. It's just human nature. To top that off, people have much more of a desire in general to be a part of the community. If information jeopardizes their acceptance to the community, most of the time, the information is not shared.

Now let me get to the point and let me prove to you that our modern biblical translations are far from accurate.


EVERY TIME A GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION IS MENTIONED IN THE GREEK IT IS TRANSLATED INTO ITS ENGLISH COUNTERPART. EVERY SINGLE TIME, EXCEPT FOR ONE. And that is the place of Geenna.

For Hierousalem we have Jerusalem. For Kapharnaoum we have Capernaum. For Nazaret we have Nazareth. For Bethania we have Bethany. For Ephesion we have Ephesus. For Bethleem we have Bethlehem. For Gomorra we have Gomorrah. For Galilaia we have Galilee. For Damaskos we have Damascus. But for Geenna we have hell.

The truth is, Geenna in the Greek is not Hell, it's the name of a physical location where the Israelites dumped their garbage and offered sacrifices to foreign gods.

Jesus did say Geenna and speak of Geenna in the book of Matthew 5:29-30 and in Mark 9:43-48. Remember, this is a physical geographical location that existed at the time. Look it up in any Dictionary... Although it may be spelled Gehenna.

I'd be glad to continue on with what all this means and the other mistranslations of the original Greek that deal with "eternal torment." But I will tell you, "hell" or the concept of "hell" never left the lips of our Saviour, Jesus Christ. It's simply not there. And this is one of the biggest conspiracies of all time.

God will save ALL in the end by bringing all unto willful repentance because of His unfailing love, not by fear. Read 1 Corinthians 13. If the Father wills that all be saved then who will stop Him? If Jesus fails to reconcile the whole world to God the Father then He failed in His mission. Both of these statements are impossible to the believer if you would think about it instead of resting on your doctrines. Universal Salvation through Jesus Christ (not Calvinism or Arminianism)is the true gospel. Amen!




2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,

Wow, talk about not knowing what the hell you're talking about. Better check yourself op, you're way out in left field.

Now if the OP (and others) wish to interpret to meaning of 'aionios' as ages of ages, well then that is their choice. Others simple choose to see the word meaning 'aionios' = 'everlasting'.

Whatever punishment God has for his enemies, whether it's eternal fire or an eternal guilt trip for sin, what does it matter? It's still torment and nobody should want to be a part of it.

Your post is full of ignorance. Go educate yourself.

You know, it's very easy to be an asshole piece of shit
fuckface screwloose cacahead. You're better at it than I.

Consider this: It takes a REAL man or woman to actually have the patience, understanding and fortitude to post something of value...

For example...instead of acting like a dipshit you could
have provided a link or a synopsis in your own words/thoughts
that explains how you arrive at "incarnation?"

>>>You know, it's very easy to be an asshole piece of shit
fuckface screwloose cacahead. You're better at it than I.<<<




I like it. Rather poetic, actually. Points for creativity.



>>>Consider this: It takes a REAL man or woman to actually have the patience, understanding and fortitude to post something of value...<<<


I'm sorry. Am I to infer that this thread is something of value? Or do you wish me to retort instead of merely labeling this bullshit?


I've been here for many years, yoda, and have posted more threads than you can shake your pee pee at. You may not see them as my user ID has changed so often that a search will not do much good. I have shed my light more extensively than anyone here. But at times, I merely settle for qualifying the quantum bullshit in certain threads as this one. Is there not also value in that? Go ahead, bunky, ask away. What pearls might I bestow upon thee?

That's some real UN-selfless and UN-humble language there, especially for a so called christian? Break your own religion's rules much?

Don't forget love thy neighbor.

What's wrong with just sticking with the Bible?



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Check your GPS, yoda. You took a wrong turn. I'm about as Christian as you are intelligent.

Hold your horses there buddy. I was quoting the selfless and humble dude.