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AlmustKnowe User ID: 1452218 Canada 07/15/2011 12:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As with the question regarding homosexuality being prenatally determined (Regeneration News, January, 1988), the burden of proof should be with those who say it is normal and natural. I say this because the only hard evidence that we have--the biological evidence--clearly indicates that it is a disorder, in that homosexuality represents a tendency to want to use body parts for some purpose other than that for which they were designed. The penis and vagina are certainly constructed for male-female intercourse. Their complimentary shapes, the location of highly sensitive nerve endings show, without a doubt, the Divine (or evolutionary, if you will) intent. Regardless of where you stand on the pleasure-relational aspects of sexuality, man and woman's sexuality is inextricably associated with reproduction, and two men or two women cannot reproduce. Therefore, homosexuality is a condition that, in a fundamental way, is contrary to nature. Biologically, it is simply not natural or normal. The advocates of acceptance of homosexuality, however, have put forth a great effort to convince the world that homosexuality is in fact both natural and normal, that it is simply different, and that only because it is the orientation of a minority, do we classify it as a disorder or perversion. They have been quite successful in this effort. When we talk about what is normal, we are talking about what is in accordance with the norm; what is common. When we talk about what is natural, we are talking about what is in accordance with nature. Most arguments favoring homosexuality as normal and natural, therefore, are aimed at creating an impression that homosexuality is extremely widespread, that it occurs everywhere in nature. Furthermore, human sexuality is viewed as an extremely fluid thing in which all sorts of variations are just going to happen.' I suffer from Pronoia I have the suspicion the Universe is a conspiracy on my behalf. |
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Anonymous Guest User ID: 1321115 United States 07/15/2011 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Consider these questions, whether you are for or against this new law-- Quoting: Anonymous Guest 1321115--If you found out that Marie Curie was a lesbian, would it change her contributions to society? Would you then discount or elevate her discovery because of this? --If you were taught that Einstein was bi-sexual and had male lovers, would you discount and elevate his discoveries because of this? --If it were proved that Martin Luther King was on the down-low, what would the result be? Think about any important character that has made important social, technical, educational contributions to society. How would your opinion change about them if you knew their sexual preference? For many of us, the answer would be no change. What is important is what they did, not who they loved. This gets to the crux of the matter and why this offends so many people. This law is designed to highlight gay and transgendered society and normalize their sexual preferences, not to simply point out whether popular historical figures were gay or not. This is merely an excuse to place people like Harvey Milk, who had a demonstrated love of teenage boys, in the history books as a great leader for the gay community. As gay activists themselves have already pointed out, it will do nothing to reduce bullying of gay students. Anyone want to address this???? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 346659 United States 07/15/2011 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mods can this thing become unpinned already? I think we're all aware how overrun with religious zealots and small-minded, redneck, bigoted right-wing hate mongers GLP has become. Quoting: True GRiTIn fact, I think I'll make a thread about that. Well Said. I'm fucking appalled at this thread seriously. Trinity did a vote the other day about offending others. This isnt just about being politcally correct, its about pure hatred and ignorant brainwashed religious nutcase Christians who yet again, think the bible was written in Gods exact words. no wonder Muslims fucking hate them so much. You really are disingenuous when you portray anyone who disagrees with the gay lifestyle as ignorant, homophobic and fundamentally Christian - it is their behavior we don't like, the in your face attitude, the acting up at gay prides, don't try to use the straw man argument that we are bigots because we disagree with something that is, and has always been, viewed as unnatural and disgusting. I don't like broccoli, does that make me ignorant and hateful of vegetables? Think carefully about your words. Really? When do you EVER see them in your face? do you walk down the street and they come up to you blowing kisses or something? They go to there own bars and clubs, they have a parade once a year, you dont have to go to it, its not on your street is it. I know gay people, when they are in their own environment they do play up a bit, thats their prerogative but they also act very normal and professional when in the company of straight people who they clearly can tell are uncomfortable with gays out of respect. They don't have to get in our face physically to get in our face. All they have to do is try to convince our kids that "gay is normal" or try to change the definition of marriage so they can call all people that hold true to the meaning of Marraige "Haters, intolerant, bigots, and closed minded" (Where's all the hate coming from again?) They can already have legal unions with all the same benifits as maariage, they want to target people's faith is the goal here. This will be an easy way for the gov to make it difficult to follow G-d, when you cannot stick up for what you believe. so it will get more and more pushed on us till everyones so desensitised they do start to think "gay is good" This will further divide the left from the right (In all senses of the word)but the left will most likely win because the squeky wheel gets the greese |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1164558 United States 07/15/2011 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | looks like home school is the only way to go these days. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1317639Yes, that is proof of the end of the American Republic and of democracy. In the end it will a return to the dark ages. Happy? Boy that will be a big improvement. Honestly! |
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SecretSquirrel User ID: 880690 United States 07/15/2011 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we'll teach gay history Quoting: ^TrInItY^but not the constitution this country is fucked they are taking 'reading' out of schools too Why not? They've taken learning out of schools years ago and replaced it with hardcore communist indoctrination! And people wonder why kids are graduating completely stupid! Never underestimate the power of the power of suggestion! |
youareyourownperil User ID: 1370091 United States 07/15/2011 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is often said by gay supporters that Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation." Is this true, or is homosexuality a disorder, a sign that something has gone wrong in an individual's development? Is homosexuality something that is inevitable for a certain percentage of the world's population, and therefore should simply be accepted, or is it a distortion or dysfunction that should be resisted, and if possible, cured? Quoting: AlmustKnoweAs with the question regarding homosexuality being prenatally determined (Regeneration News, January, 1988), the burden of proof should be with those who say it is normal and natural. I say this because the only hard evidence that we have--the biological evidence--clearly indicates that it is a disorder, in that homosexuality represents a tendency to want to use body parts for some purpose other than that for which they were designed. The penis and vagina are certainly constructed for male-female intercourse. Their complimentary shapes, the location of highly sensitive nerve endings show, without a doubt, the Divine (or evolutionary, if you will) intent. Regardless of where you stand on the pleasure-relational aspects of sexuality, man and woman's sexuality is inextricably associated with reproduction, and two men or two women cannot reproduce. Therefore, homosexuality is a condition that, in a fundamental way, is contrary to nature. Biologically, it is simply not natural or normal. The advocates of acceptance of homosexuality, however, have put forth a great effort to convince the world that homosexuality is in fact both natural and normal, that it is simply different, and that only because it is the orientation of a minority, do we classify it as a disorder or perversion. They have been quite successful in this effort. When we talk about what is normal, we are talking about what is in accordance with the norm; what is common. When we talk about what is natural, we are talking about what is in accordance with nature. Most arguments favoring homosexuality as normal and natural, therefore, are aimed at creating an impression that homosexuality is extremely widespread, that it occurs everywhere in nature. Furthermore, human sexuality is viewed as an extremely fluid thing in which all sorts of variations are just going to happen.' Therefore, homosexuality is a condition that, in a fundamental way, is contrary to nature. Biologically, it is simply not natural or normal. As with the question regarding homosexuality being prenatally determined (Regeneration News, January, 1988), the burden of proof should be with those who say it is normal and natural. I say this because the only hard evidence that we have--the biological evidence--clearly indicates that it is a disorder, in that homosexuality represents a tendency to want to use body parts for some purpose other than that for which they were designed. if you are gay and think that being so is normal then you have 2 abnormal conditions. 1. being gay 2. being insane. this is flawless logic. your entire gay movement was orchestrated by gay, sick psychopathic PTB who want to control the population by making you think your condition is normal.. then they mind fucked many people who are not gay but became obsessed with sex. any kind of sex. The entire human race is suffering from this lie. You are defending demon logic if you defend this lie. |
AlmustKnowe User ID: 1452218 Canada 07/15/2011 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mind you I will still exercise my right to speak and contribute to this discussion. Your point is well taken, and refreshing. Sign up make a display name I look forward to seeing what else you have to say in other topics. I suffer from Pronoia I have the suspicion the Universe is a conspiracy on my behalf. |
AlmustKnowe User ID: 1452218 Canada 07/15/2011 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is often said by gay supporters that Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation." Is this true, or is homosexuality a disorder, a sign that something has gone wrong in an individual's development? Is homosexuality something that is inevitable for a certain percentage of the world's population, and therefore should simply be accepted, or is it a distortion or dysfunction that should be resisted, and if possible, cured? Quoting: AlmustKnoweAs with the question regarding homosexuality being prenatally determined (Regeneration News, January, 1988), the burden of proof should be with those who say it is normal and natural. I say this because the only hard evidence that we have--the biological evidence--clearly indicates that it is a disorder, in that homosexuality represents a tendency to want to use body parts for some purpose other than that for which they were designed. The penis and vagina are certainly constructed for male-female intercourse. Their complimentary shapes, the location of highly sensitive nerve endings show, without a doubt, the Divine (or evolutionary, if you will) intent. Regardless of where you stand on the pleasure-relational aspects of sexuality, man and woman's sexuality is inextricably associated with reproduction, and two men or two women cannot reproduce. Therefore, homosexuality is a condition that, in a fundamental way, is contrary to nature. Biologically, it is simply not natural or normal. The advocates of acceptance of homosexuality, however, have put forth a great effort to convince the world that homosexuality is in fact both natural and normal, that it is simply different, and that only because it is the orientation of a minority, do we classify it as a disorder or perversion. They have been quite successful in this effort. When we talk about what is normal, we are talking about what is in accordance with the norm; what is common. When we talk about what is natural, we are talking about what is in accordance with nature. Most arguments favoring homosexuality as normal and natural, therefore, are aimed at creating an impression that homosexuality is extremely widespread, that it occurs everywhere in nature. Furthermore, human sexuality is viewed as an extremely fluid thing in which all sorts of variations are just going to happen.' Therefore, homosexuality is a condition that, in a fundamental way, is contrary to nature. Biologically, it is simply not natural or normal. As with the question regarding homosexuality being prenatally determined (Regeneration News, January, 1988), the burden of proof should be with those who say it is normal and natural. I say this because the only hard evidence that we have--the biological evidence--clearly indicates that it is a disorder, in that homosexuality represents a tendency to want to use body parts for some purpose other than that for which they were designed. if you are gay and think that being so is normal then you have 2 abnormal conditions. 1. being gay 2. being insane. this is flawless logic. your entire gay movement was orchestrated by gay, sick psychopathic PTB who want to control the population by making you think your condition is normal.. then they mind fucked many people who are not gay but became obsessed with sex. any kind of sex. The entire human race is suffering from this lie. You are defending demon logic if you defend this lie. Will I am glad you agree, I would like to disassociate myself with the term demon logic and not have this point be viewed as a Christian fanatical view. The point was made with the intention of putting no scriptures and saying on a totally human level. I suffer from Pronoia I have the suspicion the Universe is a conspiracy on my behalf. |
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shortbussociety User ID: 1370091 United States 07/15/2011 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Consider these questions, whether you are for or against this new law-- Quoting: Anonymous Guest 1321115--If you found out that Marie Curie was a lesbian, would it change her contributions to society? Would you then discount or elevate her discovery because of this? --If you were taught that Einstein was bi-sexual and had male lovers, would you discount and elevate his discoveries because of this? --If it were proved that Martin Luther King was on the down-low, what would the result be? Think about any important character that has made important social, technical, educational contributions to society. How would your opinion change about them if you knew their sexual preference? For many of us, the answer would be no change. What is important is what they did, not who they loved. This gets to the crux of the matter and why this offends so many people. This law is designed to highlight gay and transgendered society and normalize their sexual preferences, not to simply point out whether popular historical figures were gay or not. This is merely an excuse to place people like Harvey Milk, who had a demonstrated love of teenage boys, in the history books as a great leader for the gay community. As gay activists themselves have already pointed out, it will do nothing to reduce bullying of gay students. Anyone want to address this???? yeah on the flip side it has made it totally acceptable for gays to BULLY heteros anyone notice this? |
TheBroker (OP) User ID: 1429173 United States 07/15/2011 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If parents brought up childern with acceptance of tollerance for others, which is what this is really about, then we wouldn't need to be talking. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1164558Any how, did you read what I said? This is how it works in America and in any democratic society. What you want isn't working and has never worked. That's why we have governments and all the other bull shit. Because of the attitudes demonstrated in the thread. Like I said, if it takes cops, troops, or tanks to enforce the law then it will be enforced. Just as it was for others in other times in a struggle for equality. Don't you get this? That's what is different about America. speaking of NOT READING ac...558, you have yet to read the link I posted. Acceptance and tolerance CAN be taught in schools without going into peoples sexual preferences. Japan is doing it. Its a simple solution that doesn't piss anyone off. This way is only going to make things worse. Sure. Porn makes total sense. You want to go rob a couple houses so we can smoke some porn? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1043775 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 519702 United States 07/15/2011 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If parents brought up childern with acceptance of tollerance for others, which is what this is really about, then we wouldn't need to be talking. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1164558Any how, did you read what I said? This is how it works in America and in any democratic society. What you want isn't working and has never worked. That's why we have governments and all the other bull shit. Because of the attitudes demonstrated in the thread. okay.... First of all, Tolerance was never the issue. Nobody has gone pounding down homo's doors and beating them up and killing them. This is about what we teach all of our kids. and about definitions to influence our kids. Gay's are the ones that cannot tolerate Moral living, so the fight it with all their might. kind of like an alcholic that hates others that suggest he stop drinking so much, but loves those that drink with him. No difference here. Socondly, this IS NOT a democracy. This is a republic. It's changing into a democracy as our country goes does the shitter like gays do, but it was founded as a republic. Learn some history, especially if you're getting mouthy at other countries piping in on this thread. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1164558 United States 07/15/2011 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mind you I will still exercise my right to speak and contribute to this discussion. Your point is well taken, and refreshing. Sign up make a display name I look forward to seeing what else you have to say in other topics. Quoting: AlmustKnoweThanks, but I've made a lot of enemies on this subject. I don't intend harm or to gain hate. Sometimes though there is no other way to get a persons attention. I would appologize to everyone for being my usual asshole self who I've offended though. I only hope that those who have really have deep feelings on this subject, also deeply examine the thread and ponder what is going on. No doubt, the homosexuals will be exploited in new and horrible ways as scapegoats like they were once before. Of course they too will be only a small cast in the vast tool chest which has been created. The dream is the illusion. America a creation with a design. Same as all the rest in all time. WE The People of the planet all exploited. Petty small and terribly ignorant of the truth I'm afraid. Thanks again. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1441611 United States 07/15/2011 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My daughter's friend in grade school was raised in a religion that didn't allow birthday parties. When one of the children brought cupcakes to school to celebrate their birthday...he had to go sit out in the hall. I still feel terrible about that because it was uncalled for...not allowing a child to be a child. 30 years later, Parents will remove their children from the classroom because they don't want their children be taught homosexuality. I find that a fitting way to get around all this garbage. Remove the child during that portion of teaching. Then let the other children tell your kid what was said. No telling what kind of stories we'll get. |
shortbussociety User ID: 1370091 United States 07/15/2011 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this will make thinking heteros less empathetic and less tolerant of gays. Quoting: obvious 1370091That is unimportant. What is important is time and change. You have completely missed the point of living in America I'm afraid. you have disqualified yourself from having a logical conversation. I am happy that gays and the corrupt govt. are pushing your psychopathic agenda so much that sane people will no longer tolerate it. get it? I have not missed anything. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1164558 United States 07/15/2011 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If i was in control all Gay men would be executed immediately i would wipe out the entire gay population. no exceptions! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431005Yes it would a virtual utopia. Imagine it, no art, little music anyone likes, and no more fashion or dresses for the ladies. Bib overalls and rubber boots are all anyone needs anyways. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1164558 United States 07/15/2011 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this will make thinking heteros less empathetic and less tolerant of gays. Quoting: obvious 1370091That is unimportant. What is important is time and change. You have completely missed the point of living in America I'm afraid. you have disqualified yourself from having a logical conversation. I am happy that gays and the corrupt govt. are pushing your psychopathic agenda so much that sane people will no longer tolerate it. get it? I have not missed anything. Look, I see what you are saying. Look at my postings. I think you have part of it. Not all of it. I think that your beliefs are wrong and misplaced, but that you still observe more than most. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 519702 United States 07/15/2011 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If i was in control all Gay men would be executed immediately i would wipe out the entire gay population. no exceptions! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431005Yes it would a virtual utopia. Imagine it, no art, little music anyone likes, and no more fashion or dresses for the ladies. Bib overalls and rubber boots are all anyone needs anyways. wow... you're absolutely correct... because normal people never did annnnyyy of those things.... we would be forced to wear palm leafs once again... Blast! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1164558 United States 07/15/2011 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My daughter's friend in grade school was raised in Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1441611a religion that didn't allow birthday parties. When one of the children brought cupcakes to school to celebrate their birthday...he had to go sit out in the hall. I still feel terrible about that because it was uncalled for...not allowing a child to be a child. 30 years later, Parents will remove their children from the classroom because they don't want their children be taught homosexuality. I find that a fitting way to get around all this garbage. Remove the child during that portion of teaching. Then let the other children tell your kid what was said. No telling what kind of stories we'll get. Snort! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1164558 United States 07/15/2011 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If parents brought up childern with acceptance of tollerance for others, which is what this is really about, then we wouldn't need to be talking. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1164558Any how, did you read what I said? This is how it works in America and in any democratic society. What you want isn't working and has never worked. That's why we have governments and all the other bull shit. Because of the attitudes demonstrated in the thread. okay.... First of all, Tolerance was never the issue. Nobody has gone pounding down homo's doors and beating them up and killing them. This is about what we teach all of our kids. and about definitions to influence our kids. Gay's are the ones that cannot tolerate Moral living, so the fight it with all their might. kind of like an alcholic that hates others that suggest he stop drinking so much, but loves those that drink with him. No difference here. Socondly, this IS NOT a democracy. This is a republic. It's changing into a democracy as our country goes does the shitter like gays do, but it was founded as a republic. Learn some history, especially if you're getting mouthy at other countries piping in on this thread. You clearly did not read the post, or previous postings either. Fail! |
shortbussociety User ID: 1370091 United States 07/15/2011 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If i was in control all Gay men would be executed immediately i would wipe out the entire gay population. no exceptions! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431005Yes it would a virtual utopia. Imagine it, no art, little music anyone likes, and no more fashion or dresses for the ladies. Bib overalls and rubber boots are all anyone needs anyways. wow... you're absolutely correct... because normal people never did annnnyyy of those things.... we would be forced to wear palm leafs once again... Blast! your gay and you need some hetero history training asshole! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1164558 United States 07/15/2011 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If i was in control all Gay men would be executed immediately i would wipe out the entire gay population. no exceptions! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431005Yes it would a virtual utopia. Imagine it, no art, little music anyone likes, and no more fashion or dresses for the ladies. Bib overalls and rubber boots are all anyone needs anyways. wow... you're absolutely correct... because normal people never did annnnyyy of those things.... we would be forced to wear palm leafs once again... Blast! your gay and you need some hetero history training asshole! Are you offering or soliciting? |
shortbussociety User ID: 1370091 United States 07/15/2011 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this will make thinking heteros less empathetic and less tolerant of gays. Quoting: obvious 1370091That is unimportant. What is important is time and change. You have completely missed the point of living in America I'm afraid. you have disqualified yourself from having a logical conversation. I am happy that gays and the corrupt govt. are pushing your psychopathic agenda so much that sane people will no longer tolerate it. get it? I have not missed anything. Look, I see what you are saying. Look at my postings. I think you have part of it. Not all of it. I think that your beliefs are wrong and misplaced, but that you still observe more than most. I do not want oread your postings.. What I am talking about is not about a belief system.. Let me make that perfectly clear. Adults who think are in the world of knowledge and wisdom. I do not believe I am right about certain issues that I educate myself on with knowledge and correct information. I use deductive reasoning and logic to gain Knowledge. With this I know I am correct. It is not a wishy washy belief system that many seem to get involved in. I am not misplaced or misguided.. society is.. I was one who fell through the cracks. My knowledge is not wrong or misplaced and for you to come to that conclusion off the little that you read about my knowledge and thoughts proves to me that you know nothing about what I think or why your even said that my beliefs are wrong and misplaced. |
shortbussociety User ID: 1370091 United States 07/15/2011 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1164558Yes it would a virtual utopia. Imagine it, no art, little music anyone likes, and no more fashion or dresses for the ladies. Bib overalls and rubber boots are all anyone needs anyways. wow... you're absolutely correct... because normal people never did annnnyyy of those things.... we would be forced to wear palm leafs once again... Blast! your gay and you need some hetero history training asshole! Are you offering or soliciting? I am speaking to the gay person who thinks that only gays contribute to art music and fashion. |