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It is a well-established Biblical fact that the Earth is flat and immobile

 
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It is a well-established Biblical fact that the Earth is flat and immobile.  Every good Biblical literalist knows the Scriptural passages which demonstrate that the Earth does not move and that its surface is not curved: Daniel 4:10-11, Matthew 4:8, Joshua 10:12, 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalms 93:1 & 96:10 & 104:5, Isaiah 45:18; the list goes on and on.

But far too many lazy Biblical literalists today ignore the plain fact that the Bible also tells us that the flat Earth does not have curved edges.  Even the late, great Charles K. Johnson, the valiant fighter for the Truth who carried the message of the earlier Zetetic Astronomers forward into the twentieth and twenty-first centuries by founding the International Flat Earth Society, made the grievous error of assuming that the Earth was shaped like a circular disk.  Nothing could be further from the Truth.


The Biblically possible shapes of the Earth
The Book of Revelation, chapter 7, verse 1, makes the following unmistakable statement about the shape of the Earth:
"After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree."
This clearly shows that the Earth has exactly four corners.  One might argue that the edges of the Earth between these four corners could be curved.  But look at the following passages in the Book of Job:

"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens."
    — Job 28:24 (NIV translation)

"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth."
    — Job 37:3 (NIV translation)

Both of these passages clearly state that the earth has ends — that is, straight edges.  This, combined with the four corners provided in Revelation 7:1, means that the Earth must be some kind of quadrilateral shape.  The possibilities are:
A square

A non-square rectangle

A non-square rhombus (i.e. a "diamond" shape)

A non-rectangular, non-rhombic parallelogram

A trapezoid

A concave quadrilateral

An isosceles quadrilateral

A scalene quadrilateral


Narrowing down the possibilities


We can find more information about the shape of the Earth in the Book of Isaiah:
"He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."
    — Isaiah 11:12 (NIV translation)
A quarter, of course, means exactly one-fourth.  In order for the Earth to have four quarters, it must be of a shape that is divisible into four pieces that are all exactly the same shape and size as one another, i.e. four congruent pieces.  Not all quadrilateral shapes can be divided into four congruent pieces.  In fact, the only kinds of quadrilateral shapes that can be divided into four congruent pieces are the following:



So, in light of Isaiah 11:12, the two Job passages, and Revelation 7:1, the possible shapes of the Earth are limited to:
A square

A non-square rectangle

A non-square rhombus

A non-rectangular, non-rhombic parallelogram

An isosceles trapezoid with three sides of identical length

An isosceles trapezoid with the shorter parallel side 1/3 the length of the longer parallel side

An isosceles concave quadrilateral




Narrowing down the possibilities even further


Finally, we can look to the mention of the four winds in Revelation 7:1 to give us the last clue.  Everybody knows that "the four winds" are the North Wind, the South Wind, the East Wind, and the West Wind.  Right?  Well, Revelation 7:1 clearly shows four angels holding back these four winds.  In order for each angel to "hold back" one of the Four Winds, he would have to be standing at the point on the Earth from whence the Wind originated.  Thus, to hold back the North Wind, an angel would have to be standing at the northernmost point on the Earth.  To hold back the South Wind, an angel would have to be standing at the southernmost point on the Earth.  Et cetera.  The four angels would have to have been standing at the northernmost, southernmost, easternmost, and westernmost points on the Earth — in other words, at the extreme ends of the four main compass points.

But we already know that they were also standing at the four corners of the Earth.  This means that the four corners of the Earth are located at the compass points!  A non-square rectangle, a non-rhombic parallelogram, or an isosceles trapezoid cannot be aligned in such a way that their corners are pointing directly at the compass points.  Only a rhombic shape can be aligned in such a way.  Therefore, when we have carefully examined all the clues in Revelation 7:1, combined with the two Job passages and Isaiah 11:12, the only two possible shapes for the Earth are:
A square, or

A non-square rhombus

. . . with its corners oriented to point directly north, south, east, and west.


Why the Earth must be square


We know that God is perfect.  God would, therefore, have created the Earth in the most perfect shape possible.  As I´ve already proven, we know from Rev 7:1, Isaiah 11:12, and Job that the Earth must be a rhombus of some sort.  It makes good Biblical sense that God would have created Earth to be the most perfect kind of rhombus possible.  The most perfect kind of rhombus is the square.  Its rectilinear corners perfectly match the rectitude of God.  Therefore, the Earth must be square.

And if that´s not enough to convince you, consider this: Of all the nations on Earth today, God most loves the United States of America.  (This is evident from songs like "God Bless America," and from the fact that Pat Robertson, God´s chosen spokesman, lives in the U.S..)  America´s national pastime is the game of baseball.  Baseball is played on a "diamond", which is perfectly square in shape — and which, I might add, has its corners oriented to point toward the four compass points.  God would not have made baseball into the national pastime of His favorite nation if He didn´t have a higher purpose in mind for it.  Clearly, His higher purpose is to show us the True shape of the Earth.  The Earth must be perfecly square, just like the diamond-shaped field in God´s Chosen Sport is square.

(More evidence for the God/Baseball/Square-Earth connection can be found in the shape of the base bags, which are also perfectly square and oriented with their corners facing the same compass points that the diamond as a whole does, and in the fact that baseball´s most sacred ritual is called the World Series.  And lest you doubt that Baseball is a divinely inspired game, I remind you that Charley McDowell has noted that the 90-foot distance between home plate and first base, which is just the right distance to make the game exciting, "was a pick from heaven.")


The supporting pillars


Take a gander at this passage from First Samuel:
"He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD´s, and he hath set the world upon them."
    — 1 Samuel 2:8 (KJV translation)
This clearly shows that the Earth rests on an unspecified number of pillars.  (A couple of translations of the Old Testament floating around say "foundations" or "fixtures" in place of pillars, but the original Hebrew word that appears here is "Matsuwq", which literally means a cast metal support, a pillar, or a column.)  What the pillars themselves are resting on is unknown.  They might not be resting upon anything.  Perhaps they are being held up by divine grace.  Perhaps they are infinitely tall.  All we know for sure is that a set of pillars beneath the Earth must exist.

This means that Hell, which is under the Earth, is interrupted by pillars in some places.  This may explain how Satan is going to break out of Hell after the thousand years of peace in Revelation: perhaps he´s going to climb up one of these pillars.  This is a speculation for another webpage, however.


Frequently Asked Questions


"Can I believe in the round Earth and still get into heaven?"

No.  As you know, if you do not accept every word in the bible as literally true, you are not really accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and are doomed to burn in Hell for all eternity.  God won´t let any half-assed believers into heaven.

"What about all those pictures from space, showing that the Earth is round?"

Just more proof that Hollywood is in league with the devil.  Charles K. Johnson of the International Flat Earth Society has already demonstrated that every picture of the "Earth" as seen from "space" was faked.  In fact, the entire NASA space program is a sham.  The movie Capricorn One was a documentary about how the Apollo moon mission was faked; the people who worked on the movie knew all about this, but were told to keep quiet.  O.J. Simpson, one of the stars of Capricorn One, was going to come forward with THE TRUTH, but he was silenced by being framed for the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman.  The conspirators agreed to convince the jury to hand over a "not guilty" verdict only because O.J. Simpson promised not to go public with the cover-up.

"How come no airline pilots have ever reported seeing the edges of the Earth?"

Airline pilots are also in league with the devil.  This is for your protection.  If True Believers were allowed to pilot airliners, many planes would instantly become unmanned during the pre-Tribulation Rapture, thus crashing and killing everybody on board.  When crossing the Equator or the Prime Meridian, airline pilots have to make sharp 90-degree turns to follow the square contours of the Earth.  They hide this fact by blaming it on "turbulence."

"Couldn´t the phrase ´four corners of the Earth´ in Revelation 7:1 merely be a commonly-used metaphor for the farthest reaches of the Earth?"

Beware the slippery slope of interpreting a Biblical passage as "metaphor," for that way surely leads to Death.  Next, you´ll be saying the Earth wasn´t created in six literal days, or that the Earth wasn´t literally split in two in Genesis 10:25, and then your daughters will grow up to be temple prostitutes and your children will learn how to cast real spells by playing Dungeons & Dragons® and locusts will descend upon Israel and lions will lie down with lambs.  They´ve already kicked God out of our schools because of such thinking.  Don´t let Satan convert even more souls away from the One True Way than he already has.

"What about Isaiah 40:22?"

Isaiah, chapter 40, verse 22 reads (in the NIV translation):
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."
Does this mean the Earth is circular?  Not at all.  If it were circular, Job´s mention of the ends of the Earth would be meaningless.  The word translated as "circle" in this verse is the Hebrew "Chuwg", which can mean circle, but can also mean circuit or compass.  When occurring by itself, this word can also mean the vault of the heavens.  This verse probably refers to the fact that God sits enthroned above the vault of the heavens, which encompasses the whole Earth.

Besides, everyone knows that tents are supposed to be square.

"What can I do in my community to make the heathenous Round-Earthers see the light?"

Show them this webpage.  Take out your own bible, and show them Revelation 7:1, Isaiah 11:12, and the two Job passages.  If that doesn´t convince them, you can use your bible to hit them on top of the head and shout, "Earth square!".

Hold Square Dances where you hand out International Square Earth Society literature.  March in picket lines in front of globe manufacturers with signs reading "Earth square!", "Satan says the Earth is round," "No round Earths", etc..  Boycott Rand McNally.  Buy square Earth maps and place them prominently in classrooms and on bulletin boards.  Yell at the school board and demand "equal time" for the "equally valid" scientific theory that the Earth is square, while reminding them that the notion of a round Earth is "just a theory."  Hold up signs saying "Rev 7:1" for the cameras at football games.  There´s so much one person can do to spread the Word that it´s impossible to list all the possibilities here.


Praise for the International Square Earth Society


Many true believers — and a few misguided sheep of the flock — have written to us here at the International Square Earth Society over the years.  It would be wrong of me to hide their light under a bushel.  So, I´ve collected their comments and put them together in a "mailbag page" that any visitor can read.
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Link:

The International Square Earth Society

[link to pw1.netcom.com]
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"Uncle Joe (Stalin), Churchill, and Roosevelt laid the master plan to bring in the New Age under the United Nations. The world ruling power was to be right here in this country. After the war, the world would be declared flat and Roosevelt would be elected first president of the world. When the UN Charter was drafted in San Francisco, they took the flat-earth map as their symbol."

Why declare the world flat? Johnson responds that a prophesied condition for world government (Isaiah 60:20) is that the "sun shall no more go down." This could be fulfilled by admitting that sunrise and sunset are optical illusions. The UN did adopt for its official seal a world map identical with the one on Johnson´s office wall. But Franklin Roosevelt died coincident with the UN´s birth, and the other imminent events described by Johnson never came about.

What did happen, according to conventional historians, was that Russia and the U.S. began space programs. After the Russians sent up Sputnik in 1957, the space race was on in earnest. The high point came in 1969, when the U.S. landed men on the moon.

That, according to Johnson, is nonsense, because the moon landings were faked by Hollywood studios. He even names the man who wrote the scripts: the science-fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke. But he acknowledges that the moon landings were at least partly successful.

Link

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You got´a be kidding me.. woohoo
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headbang



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The earth is round like the Bible says. The Bible does not say the earth is flat.



Isa 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the *circle* of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
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You can stand on the earth and turn in a circle and never see a corner on the horizon. That settles it for me. Of course I might burn in hell for that.
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The bible says, "the world is a sphere that hangs on nothing".



The OP is a truth-twistng, scumbag, minion of the father of lies, with wayyy too much time on his/her hands.
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You have nothing to worry about because the Bible clearly says that the earth is round. OP is a fool.
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and you wonder why most of us on this forum have no time for Christianity?
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the world is a sphere that hangs on nothing



Yep, says that at Job 26:7. And this was said 2,200 years before Christ. Bible right again.
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and you wonder why most of us on this forum have no time for Christianity?




Don´t throw out the baby with the bath water. There are two types of Christians. The true and the false. OP is among the false. Don´t let he or she fool you.
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the only flat earth I know of is in Flight Sim 2004, ever tryed flying around the poles?

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The earth is round like the Bible says. The Bible does not say the earth is flat.


Then why were people tortured by the church for suggesting it was round - as indeed the greeks knew!
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>Then why were people tortured by the church for suggesting it was round - as indeed the greeks knew!<

Who believes the church stands for Christ or God, except the blind (leading the blind)? The church wanted people to believe that one would fall off the world if one went beyond the Pillars of Hercules because that would give them the opportunity of conquering the lands that lay beyond them, for themselves.

Yet Solomon had mines in the British Isles circa 1,000 B.C. already. And trips had possibly already been made to America by Dan-ites.

Those who believed the Bible knew long before the Greeks that the Earth was round and hangs upon nothing, and could therefore probably be circumnavigated.

For the OP - a sphere can be divided into four quarters perfectly, thank-you very much.

The use of "four corners" is a code-word/map co-ordinate. There is a place in a particular location in the world that is called "Four Corners", and is where Shiloh will gather His true followers soon.

The same location is called by other names - the Fortress of Rock, the Strait-Gate, the Rock shaped like a Lion. Thereby fulfilling all the clues as to the identity of Christ´s Place of Defence.
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Good things come to those wait (and have faith).
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who wait :-)
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Then why were people tortured by the church for suggesting it was round - as indeed the greeks knew!




The church that tortured them was the Roman Catholic Church which is not Christian but pagan. The RCC does not represent Jesus but Satan. Look at what they DO and not what they say.
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My grandfather, bless his uneducated little heart, was ahead of his time: he refused to believe the TV shots and photographs from the moon were real. He said that they had to be fake because they showed the earth in the sky as round but the Bible mentions the four corners of the earth; ergo the earth is flat and square. He believed 100% in the infallacy of the Bible as the written word of God and therefore the TV and photos were faked.
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Bible writers often speak from the standpoint of the observer on the earth, or from his particular position geographically, as we often naturally do today. For example, the Bible mentions “the sunrising.” (Nu 2:3; 34:15) Some have seized upon this as an opportunity to discredit the Bible as scientifically inaccurate, claiming that the Hebrews viewed earth as the center of things, with the sun revolving around it. But the Bible writers nowhere expressed such a belief.

These same critics overlook the fact that they themselves use the identical expression and that it is in all of their almanacs. It is common to hear someone say, ‘it is sunrise,’ or ‘the sun has set,’ or ‘the sun traveled across the sky.’ The Bible also speaks of “the extremity of the earth” (Ps 46:9), “the ends of the earth” (Ps 22:27), “the four extremities of the earth” (Isa 11:12), “the four corners of the earth,” and “the four winds of the earth” (Re 7:1).

These expressions cannot be taken to prove that the Hebrews understood the earth to be square. The number four is often used to denote that which is fully rounded out, as it were, just as we have four directions and sometimes employ the expressions “to the ends of the earth,” “to the four corners of the earth,” in the sense of embracing all the earth.—Compare Eze 1:15-17; Lu 13:29.
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And it was best not to disagree with Granddaddy. Not only were you subject to yelling, withering stares and the eventual silent treatment, but he could "accidentally" miss his spitoon when spitting out his snuff if you were nearby. You have no idea what the spit of a man who dips snuff is like.
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More instances of where four is figurative and symbolic.


“I saw four angels standing upon the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow upon the earth or upon the sea or upon any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrising, having a seal of the living God; and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying: ‘Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.’”—Rev. 7:1-3.
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Did ANYONE read the OP?

It´s a parody.
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Yet my comments about my grandfather seriously believing the earth to be square based on passages in the Bible is 100% true.
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wrong earths got some nice peaks
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Earth can't be flat.

Do you really expect me to explain? It would be like trying to explain to a religious person that there is no God? Will they believe me or continue to believe in it.

Bye.


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In fact, it is shaped like a pyramid where Warsaw is the East Pole and Kaiserslautern is the West Pole.
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Tell me this OP, what does te Bible say about itself, it's (mis-) translations and your understanding of it?
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And if that´s not enough to convince you, consider this: Of all the nations on Earth today, God most loves the United States of America.  (This is evident from songs like "God Bless America," and from the fact that Pat Robertson, God´s chosen spokesman, lives in the U.S..)  America´s national pastime is the game of baseball.  Baseball is played on a "diamond", which is perfectly square in shape — and which, I might add, has its corners oriented to point toward the four compass points.  God would not have made baseball into the national pastime of His favorite nation if He didn´t have a higher purpose in mind for it.  Clearly, His higher purpose is to show us the True shape of the Earth.  The Earth must be perfecly square, just like the diamond-shaped field in God´s Chosen Sport is square.


 Quoting: Or is it a trapezoid? 17186


You've GOT to be fucking kidding me, right?

That is, in no way, shape or form, even CLOSE to 'evidence" of anything, it is mere OPINION.
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Link:

The International Square Earth Society

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Your link is worthless, and your logic very unsound (yet you obviously devoted a lot of time to post it here). You imply that God is just like any other Human being, lmao. Plus, you have no language skills for ancient texts (and probably even less for modern ones).
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To those who are arguing with the Christians, haven't you learned already that they pick and choose whatever suits their fancy? There's proof in the bible that the earth is flat, square, round OR a sphere. Take your pick, because every word in the bible is true. Even the part where Jesus said at the sermon on the mount "not one jot or tittle of the law will change until I come back", meaning those laws given by Moses...all 613, not just the ten, are to be followed? But they ignore that part and try to make excuses for the parts they don't want to follow, such as slavery, stoning unruly children, eating shellfish and wearing wool and linen at the same time.
So much for logic and Christianity...as well as the other two screwy Abrahamic religions.

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