I have seen a real chemtrail!!!

Sure you are...

And what is It I don't understand about "supersaturated air" Noble?

So what are your credentials SNAKE . . . ? want to share?

Care to share credentials through a trusted 3rd party Noble?

Sure...

I am a Sugar Maker, Mon Capitan!

That is sweet. . . .I will send you mine through email. . . If you want. . . .

Quite alright...

Is that a yes or a no ?

That would be, "I wouldn't believe you anyway"...

No one with your alleged background would buy into this chemtrail bullshit...

Well...

Stubblebine might...

You might be surprised . . . I always liked to fight for the underdog. . . It is in my blood. . . .

It's a pity my what still as dumb as ever?

I think his point is that you're jumping to the conclusion that the cause was something unusual about the plane, not the air it was circling around in.

Just about everything...it seems.

You certainly don't understand WHY the contrail you keep pushing as the smoking gun/holy chemtard grail isn't all that impressive once one determines that the area of the atmosphere it was deposited in was already saturated.

One can EASILY see that the spiral left behind was huge, and contained a large amount of water vapor...once that combined with the already saturated air...NOTHING spectacular occurred. Unless you call a combination of natural and man-made clouds "spectacular"...which I do not.

Yeah, like there is a "trusted" third party between our worlds...LOL!

Here's the thing about sharing "credentials"....

A few years back I set out to prove that I was a pilot to a group of particularly paranoid chemtards on youtube. I spent some time amassing many documents/books/checklists/my flight computer from the 80's, my student ID, my log book filled with pages and pages of hours/cross countries/solos, and I made a video of it. It just didn't matter...the paranoid and suspicious minds of the chemtards were unable to accept that evidence of my training as anything but an attempt to fool them. They claimed that I could have manufactured all the documents and borrowed the logbook from a friend...they came up with all sorts of reasons not to trust what I had presented.

Sorry, I do the same thing now. Anything you provide will be a forgery/borrowed. Nuff said.

exactly

At least you think the situation is unusual. . . The reasons they are unusual is the key. . . Somehow a perfect storm occurred via aircraft and atmosphere . . .which played out over the next 12 to 18 hours or there is something about this aircraft and it's mission that is unusual. . . .I think the probability that an orbiting AWACS creating the same atmospheric situation historically is very likely. . . But where is the record of that history????? These researchers are detailed and capable, they would not have overlooked that possible history if it existed. . . It does Not exist . . . Ergo I think it is likely this mission was unique . . .my most likely explanation is associated with experimentation of mission capabilities or countermeasures. . . . . . And that fits the definition of a CHEMTRAIL.

You keep suggesting that this was somehow a "perfect storm" situation when, in FACT, huge areas of supersaturated air can be found somewhere in the world at any given moment. add an AWACs making a huge continuous spiral at the leading edge of such an area and then add some air movement, and the same thing can easily happen. There is nothing unique about the situation from your smoking gun...sorry.

By the way, what is that AWACs "orbiting"? You keep using that word...incorrectly.

It is the term the individuals used for their mission pattern when they were on station . . . When I worked with them in the 1980s. . . I assume they still use the same term . . . The pattern by-the-way they described was not a circle or spiral. . . which this aircraft exhibited . . . another reason I believe this was an unusual flight . . .

As you can see here these are not tight circular patterns . . .





Last Edited by George B on 07/21/2011 09:42 AM

Only when they are, in fact, orbiting something.

I can see the spiral in the pictures...

And your "beliefs" are just that...beliefs. Nothing more....Well, they are PARANOID beliefs...but beliefs nonetheless.

Do you have ANY evidence that anything associated with this particular "mission" resulted in any kind of "chemical" being deposited over that region that didn't have anything to do with hydrocarbon combustion? I keep asking for evidence that something was deposited as part of "chemtrail" activity...and you keep providing nothing. I wonder why.

In the bottom photo, I don't think they could have made better circles as part of the spiral if they wanted to!

In the top photo, those could have been circular, and then flattened out by air movement. Do you have any photos taken of that area within the hour prior to that?

Thank you for making my point. . . The conditions to replicate this event exist all over the world . . . So if this is the only time such TRAIL and cloud bank has been scientifically described and studied there is a reason. . . IT IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL. . . . It caught the attention of the researchers. . . Go figure. . .

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Last Edited by George B on 07/21/2011 10:07 AM

I trust The Guy how about you Noble . . . Would you help GUY? . . .

That is because the researchers didn't take an in situ sample . . . Simple . . . . . If they had asked me I would have insisted . . .

You would have "insisted" that they take an in situ sample from a satellite photo weeks after the event?

Brilliant.

*sigh*

The atmospheric conditions CAN exist all over the world, but how often does an airplane of that size create a contrail of that size within the exact area of such a air mass with the correct wind direction/speed to bring the saturation point past supersaturation.

I don't know what point of yours you "believe" I've supported. But whatever it is still doesn't show that anything unusual had happened in that study. Aside from the plane leaving just enough water vapor to push the saturation point past supersaturation.

If that's what you're referring to...you're welcome.

By the way...just because you think something is "highly unusual"....doesn't mean it proves "chemtrails" in any way. It just means you have an over active imagination, you're paranoid, and you don't understand atmospheric science as well as you like to believe.

What a fantasy world you live in...

It was a joke . . Please try to keep up . . .