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Maynard James Keenan on TPTB, America, and the New World Order

 
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From the book- Unleashed: The Story of TOOL

"We're still writing songs and letting them progress naturally. What can end up happening is the powers that be jump in, and all of a sudden we're working under the confines of some deadline or window."

"If the education of our kids comes from radio, television, newspapers-if that's where they get most of their knowledge from, and not from schools, then the powers that be are definitely in charge, because they own all those outlets.

As the tour rolled out on into September, Tool were as stunned as everybody else by the events of 9/11 - but it wasn't long before they made it clear that their views on the matter might not coincide with the rest of America. Once George W. Bush's war on terror had started, a few weeks after the world trade center attacks, Keenan in particular found himself in a quandary.

"I can't say anything right now," he told one reporter."No matter what you say, it's construed by someone as an anti-American statement-even when its the same things you've said all along [in Tool], which is: 'Think for yourself and question authority'...The more we'll talk about this, the more I'll shoot my mouth off and end up in [trouble]. Every now and then, you get people who tend to forget what this country is about, which is a melting pot of races and cultures and freedom of speech. And as soon as you open your mouth and speak freely, [criticism] gets thrown at you...I just don't think that murder is an option to figure out a way to punish the guilty...I was in the army for three years. I received an appointment to West Point; I'm probably the only musician in my peer group who can say that. So, 'anti-American' is not a label you can put on me"

"The people who have been touched most are the families of the victims. But I'm not sure about the guys in Iowa, Montana or Arizona who get their information filtered through CNN. Because to them, information is coming in...thick with propaganda...all these media guys have hard-ons because of this war. They can sell more papers, magazines, keep us glued to the TV longer."

"Artists everywhere are up against a brick wall when it comes to speaking their minds . After the world trade center disaster, I made a point to encourage everyone at our shows to investigate on their own. Ask questions. Don't rely on the media (especially Fox News) to fill in the blanks for you. For this simple position, the position of a free thinker and a responsible citizen, I was silenced. Radio stations throughout the Midwest labelled me anti-American, which I find amusing. The censorship continued. Almost every interview I've done in the last four years was censored...all the newspapers and press wanted was gossip and road stories. Even pre-taped interviews were hacked to pieces."

"First of all," said Keenan, "our disdain for this particular administration should come as no surprise for anyone who has been listening to me for the last 14 years. We were very vocal about George Bush Sr. back when he was buying and selling bombs and oil. Anyone who bothered to listen to Bill Hicks CDs would know this. I've been very clear about this, and have been since before most of you could reach the keyboard to type your complaints...The fear and absurdity I've witnessed across this country post-9/11 breaks my heart."

More seriously, he felt that Bush's government was stripping America of its rights."We're getting into politics and I don't want to go down that path, but with the Patriot Act being shoved through...The whole way we set up our government to begin with, was so that if things went weird we could pull the plug on those guys and set up a new system. Right now, if you wanted to do that, you couldn't."

"This so-called new world order has been very effective in undermining the creative process, to the point where it is run by actors and businessmen with marketing plans. It is no longer about music. I mean, when is the last time you had three CDs come across your desk in a month that really impressed you?...I know very creative people who are considering putting their process on the back burner so that they can make money with some horrible, horrible band, one with no artistic integrity. What they don't realise is that as soon as they do that, the band will use their name to undermine anything credible they could possibly do in the future. They are so completely selling out their credibility for the money. It happens at so many levels here that people pretty much accept it as the process, and it has completely undermined everything."

"I think we are here to create a new world order," he declared."George W. Bush is an extremely evil person, and what he is doing is going to bring us down. He is going to make it very difficult for me to travel around because I am an American, and people will look at me in exactly the same way they used to look at the Germans when they were travelling in the Fifties, right after World War II. We are living in McCarthyism, the Third Reich, and people don't realise it. Look at the events of September 11. The person who profited from that was the president of the united states-the same man who was not elected by the people but instead by a fault in the electoral system. His public opinion was at an all-time low, so he benefited from it. His family's oil, war and weapons interests all benefited. And everyone was so scared they willingly gave up their civil rights, so that if anyone discovers how evil this guy is, they can't do anything about it. It really amazes me that the American people are just blindly letting this go on. They are not even considering the possibility that their government could be lying to them. It is absolutely nauseating"

Just puttin it out there if some Tool fans didn't know this.
"Problem is, FEW CARE about the people IN DESPAIR. If you help NO ONE, you're guilty in this HELLNATION." -Dead Kennedys

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke

"We can forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." -Plato

Dear abhie, my 33 does not make me a butt fucker or one who likes getting butt fucked. But, nice thread!

The time is NOW.
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Tool is cool.
I am a bigger asshole than you can ever hope to be.God put me on this earth to let you know if your being a douche bag.If i bust your balls i am sorry,i am just doing my job.
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you should maybe repost this with a link, it might get pinned
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you should maybe repost this with a link, it might get pinned
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I typed this with the book in front of me. Gots no links! Not askin for a pin anyway, this is just what I was compelled to do after realising there aren't any threads with this info.
"Problem is, FEW CARE about the people IN DESPAIR. If you help NO ONE, you're guilty in this HELLNATION." -Dead Kennedys

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke

"We can forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." -Plato

Dear abhie, my 33 does not make me a butt fucker or one who likes getting butt fucked. But, nice thread!

The time is NOW.
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Maynard = Absolute badassness
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I typed this with the book in front of me. Gots no links! Not askin for a pin anyway, this is just what I was compelled to do after realising there aren't any threads with this info.
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I suggested a pin anyway :)
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Tool is cool.
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+1
"What you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul."
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I suggested a pin anyway :)
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Thanks :D
"Problem is, FEW CARE about the people IN DESPAIR. If you help NO ONE, you're guilty in this HELLNATION." -Dead Kennedys

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke

"We can forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." -Plato

Dear abhie, my 33 does not make me a butt fucker or one who likes getting butt fucked. But, nice thread!

The time is NOW.
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Thanks OP! sun Maynard sure can say things more eloquently than I. All that would come out of my mouth as paranoid moon-speak.
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nice thread
i cant wait for some new tool
and i have never heard of this book
so thank you
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Thanks OP! sun Maynard sure can say things more eloquently than I. All that would come out of my mouth as paranoid moon-speak.
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No problem. chuckle
And yea I guess not everyone has a way with words!
"Problem is, FEW CARE about the people IN DESPAIR. If you help NO ONE, you're guilty in this HELLNATION." -Dead Kennedys

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke

"We can forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." -Plato

Dear abhie, my 33 does not make me a butt fucker or one who likes getting butt fucked. But, nice thread!

The time is NOW.
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bumpbumpbump
“I think there's something strangely musical about noise.”

Trent Reznor

“And when the day arrives I'll become the sky and I'll become the sea and the sea will come to kiss me for I am going home. Nothing can stop me now.”
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nice thread
i cant wait for some new tool
and i have never heard of this book
so thank you
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You're Welcome hf
And hell yea, we'd all love some new Tool right now!
"Problem is, FEW CARE about the people IN DESPAIR. If you help NO ONE, you're guilty in this HELLNATION." -Dead Kennedys

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke

"We can forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." -Plato

Dear abhie, my 33 does not make me a butt fucker or one who likes getting butt fucked. But, nice thread!

The time is NOW.
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nice thread
i cant wait for some new tool
and i have never heard of this book
so thank you
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You're Welcome hf
And hell yea, we'd all love some new Tool right now!
 Quoting: LostReality33


Correction, we all NEED new Tool right now!
“I think there's something strangely musical about noise.”

Trent Reznor

“And when the day arrives I'll become the sky and I'll become the sea and the sea will come to kiss me for I am going home. Nothing can stop me now.”
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paranoid moon-speak.
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I could give classes in this subject sun
Water always wins.
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Hope we get one more tool album before the SHTF.
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SPIRAL OUT
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This is good to know, I guess I always kind of assumed they were "in on it" because of all of their occult symbology. Unfortunately it's sometimes easy to lump all occultists into one group, "us vs. them".

Whatever their spiritual beliefs are, if he truly believes the things he says in that interview, he's good in my book.
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Still to this day, I could listen to Aenima over and over. That album definitely woke my ass up when it first came out.
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This is good to know, I guess I always kind of assumed they were "in on it" because of all of their occult symbology. Unfortunately it's sometimes easy to lump all occultists into one group, "us vs. them".

Whatever their spiritual beliefs are, if he truly believes the things he says in that interview, he's good in my book.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1476747


have you ever heard a perfect circle's song PET? he basically sings about the NWO.
"Problem is, FEW CARE about the people IN DESPAIR. If you help NO ONE, you're guilty in this HELLNATION." -Dead Kennedys

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke

"We can forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." -Plato

Dear abhie, my 33 does not make me a butt fucker or one who likes getting butt fucked. But, nice thread!

The time is NOW.
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This is good to know, I guess I always kind of assumed they were "in on it" because of all of their occult symbology. Unfortunately it's sometimes easy to lump all occultists into one group, "us vs. them".

Whatever their spiritual beliefs are, if he truly believes the things he says in that interview, he's good in my book.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1476747


have you ever heard a perfect circle's song PET? he basically sings about the NWO.
 Quoting: LostReality33


I have, great song and album. I just don't know what to make of it all. Many artists appear to 'straddle the fence', so to speak.

Take Radiohead for example. In interviews they denounce governments spying on their citizens, the corruption of politicians, etc.

But start looking into their artwork, lyrics, and videos and you'll see that they had full knowledge of the events that would occur on 9-11, BEFORE it happened. I've even seen lyrics/comments of theirs like "please forgive us, you would have done the same in our shoes", things of that nature.

It just seems like many musicians have a very mixed message as to where their loyalties lie. But that mystery is part of the reason I listen to their music and get immersed in their artwork.
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This is good to know, I guess I always kind of assumed they were "in on it" because of all of their occult symbology. Unfortunately it's sometimes easy to lump all occultists into one group, "us vs. them".

Whatever their spiritual beliefs are, if he truly believes the things he says in that interview, he's good in my book.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1476747


have you ever heard a perfect circle's song PET? he basically sings about the NWO.
 Quoting: LostReality33


Yes, I have PET on my IPOD. Good song. APC is on tour now and I hope to see them in August.
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Lateralus is a musical puzzlebox of truth and enlightenment. Very uplifting. The wise will learn as much from that album as they can from any mystery school.
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you should maybe repost this with a link, it might get pinned
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I typed this with the book in front of me. Gots no links! Not askin for a pin anyway, this is just what I was compelled to do after realising there aren't any threads with this info.
 Quoting: LostReality33


Thanks for taking the time to do that...

CheerS!

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Maynard = Absolute badassness
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Just for fun

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Learn to swim!
I say what I mean. I mean what I say. It is amazing the people who hate me for that.
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