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* Breaking * Federal court says calling for the president to be assassinated is free speech

 
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* Breaking * Federal court says calling for the president to be assassinated is free speech
Like it or not, this is big.

"The observation that Obama "will have a 50 cal in the head soon" and a call to "shoot the [racist slur]" weren't violations of the law under" [link to latimesblogs.latimes.com]

Wow.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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The Supreme Court will ultimately decide.
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Re: * Breaking * Federal court says calling for the president to be assassinated is free speech
The Supreme Court will ultimately decide.
 Quoting: Elsabiades


Well duh.

What's your take on it though?
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Re: * Breaking * Federal court says calling for the president to be assassinated is free speech
I wonder if the ruling would have been different if Obama weren't the worst leader of a nation in all of history?
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Re: * Breaking * Federal court says calling for the president to be assassinated is free speech
I wonder if the ruling would have been different if Obama weren't the worst leader of a nation in all of history?
 Quoting: Nespy


I'm kind of stunned by the decision. Obama is a train wreck and practically Jimmy Carter's second term, but this decision came from the 9th circuit. It has a reputation for being the most liberal progressive politically biased federal appeals court in the land. If any court was going to smack down a threat against Obama this court would have been the one.

Last Edited by Resister on 07/20/2011 10:23 AM
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Wow. I would have though more people would have something to say about this.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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yeah, i just wrote a story on it, don't worry it will be news in a few minutes

the article was posted yesterday though, why is no one else picking it up?
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looks like he should step down now :)

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this was not a good ruling in my opinion

even if he was drunk that doesn't excuse his behavior
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also the Judge he voted in favor of the ruling is an 80 year old demented man appointed by who else, jimmy carter
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yeah, i just wrote a story on it, don't worry it will be news in a few minutes

the article was posted yesterday though, why is no one else picking it up?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466845


My guess is people are afraid to even use the words "president" and "assassinate" in the same sentence for fear of the secret service paying them a visit.

So much for the land of the free and the home of the brave.
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Last Edited by Resister on 07/20/2011 10:43 AM
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Re: * Breaking * Federal court says calling for the president to be assassinated is free speech
I'm sure as hell not going to use that verbiage. I hate the guy but I don't wish ill upon him.
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Re: * Breaking * Federal court says calling for the president to be assassinated is free speech
The Supreme Court will ultimately decide.
 Quoting: Elsabiades


Bill of Rights Article 1, Congress shall make no law....
abridging freedom of speech.

If Congress cannot make a law regarding speech by what law does any Court assume jurisdiction to hear a case on speech?

Without a law there is no jurisdiction. They are usurpers of the law.
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Re: * Breaking * Federal court says calling for the president to be assassinated is free speech
The Supreme Court will ultimately decide.
 Quoting: Elsabiades


Bill of Rights Article 1, Congress shall make no law....
abridging freedom of speech.

If Congress cannot make a law regarding speech by what law does any Court assume jurisdiction to hear a case on speech?

Without a law there is no jurisdiction. They are usurpers of the law.
 Quoting: Mike 1475193


Right to the heart of the matter. Love it. I am so sick of people and even law makers in congress themselves defering to the courts when we have very clear 235 year old foundational law.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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looks like he should step down now :)

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wtf
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Re: * Breaking * Federal court says calling for the president to be assassinated is free speech
I wonder if the ruling would have been different if Obama weren't the worst leader of a nation in all of history?
 Quoting: Nespy


I'm kind of stunned by the decision. Obama is a train wreck and practically Jimmy Carter's second term, but this decision came from the 9th circuit. It has a reputation for being the most liberal progressive politically biased federal appeals court in the land. If any court was going to smack down a threat against Obama this court would have been the one.
 Quoting: Resister


Makes me wonder if this ruling is nothing more than bait!
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looks like he should step down now :)

[link to president.globalincidentmap.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1474264


wtf
 Quoting: Hero Protagonist


rofl

According to that map, more people in America are violently pissed off at Obama than everyone else in the rest of the world combined.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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looks like he should step down now :)

[link to president.globalincidentmap.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1474264


wtf
 Quoting: Hero Protagonist


rofl

According to that map, more people in America are violently pissed off at Obama than everyone else in the rest of the world combined.
 Quoting: Resister

With good reason.
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suprise!
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Re: * Breaking * Federal court says calling for the president to be assassinated is free speech
The Supreme Court will ultimately decide.
 Quoting: Elsabiades


Well duh.

What's your take on it though?
 Quoting: Resister


It's the most unpopular words that need protection. That's the point of the first amendment. Think about it. Fluffy bunnies isn't exactly offensive is it?
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Are they laying the field wide open for a special "event" to take place. Is the great 'O's time in office complete. We will have to stay tuned for the answer.
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Re: * Breaking * Federal court says calling for the president to be assassinated is free speech
The Supreme Court will ultimately decide.
 Quoting: Elsabiades


Well duh.

What's your take on it though?
 Quoting: Resister


It's the most unpopular words that need protection. That's the point of the first amendment. Think about it. Fluffy bunnies isn't exactly offensive is it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1448185


agent
(operation fluffy bunnies to commence as scheduled)
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No the ruling does not mean you can threaten the president, that is still illegal, it means it is not illegal to say publicly or speculate that someone will do it

Bagdasarian statement was "predictive" and "ex hortatory" and was not an actual threat.
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Re: * Breaking * Federal court says calling for the president to be assassinated is free speech
yeah practically everyone who hates obama would of saved this country the first year of their term...damn u all should of ran for president


c'mon its so easy to hate on something when you'll never be able to touch it

nobody nor their decisions can fix any of this, and its been fucked for a long time.

correction...maybe a decision for all this alleged suppressed tech and free energy to be released would be the only savior here, but then you'd die before it ever came out

the real key here is for the old pricks who wont live to see their grandkids eat dirt to finally pass on and new generations that are IN the mess to step up, people with money ofcourse

as for the true powers that be and know what they dont let anybody else know, who the fuck knows, i personally think they're vampires and witches and don't care about money nearly as much as for a drop of blood or tear

but like vicious lions and crocodiles, they have their purpose and place in space and time..or it wouldn't be happening, right?
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No the ruling does not mean you can threaten the president, that is still illegal, it means it is not illegal to say publicly or speculate that someone will do it

Bagdasarian statement was "predictive" and "ex hortatory" and was not an actual threat.
 Quoting: ttown_okie 1398386


Threatening to kill anyone is serious is certainly illegal if the threat is against the president and credible. The word "exhortation" though means that the poster actually called for and encouraged murder. In today's world of Jihadists Imams calling for people to be killed and their followers screaming Allah akbar as they pull the trigger, this decision is stunning.

This is a dangerous game. A lot of people want Obama impeached and removed from office the right way and that's fine, but there is no place for actively encouraging an assasination. That is totally different and that is what the court said was not illegal. I can't believe this isn't bigger news.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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I wonder if the ruling would have been different if Obama weren't the worst leader of a nation in all of history?
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jeez hyperbole much?
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I wonder if the ruling would have been different if Obama weren't the worst leader of a nation in all of history?
 Quoting: Nespy


jeez hyperbole much?
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