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Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?

 
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Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
I was asking this question myself when the subject popped into my head this morning and discovered that neither the european union, the UK or the US recognise the deleberate and systematic starvation of an estimated 7,000,000 Ukranian souls by Stalin. (some estimate as much as 10m)

Here are a couple of snippets of information to point out.

"The United States does not recognise the Holodomor as a genocide at the highest level despite the declaration by Congress. Newly released documents obtained by the editor show that the US only supported Ukraine's UN resolution regarding the Holodomor provided that any mention of genocide was removed.

Rice sent a letter of support to the Ukrainian Foreign Minister almost covertly with an instruction that no signed original was to be released"
[link to www.holodomor.org.uk]

Why isn’t the world recognizing the Holodomor
as an act of genocide?

By Oleksandr Kramarenko
[link to www.day.kiev.ua]


This article was prompted by Minister of Foreign Affairs Borys Tarasiuk’s recent appeal to the international community to recognize the Holodomor of 1932-1933 in Ukraine as an act of genocide. As with his previous appeals, the world did not react to this one. I think that Mr. Tarasiuk, who is an experienced diplomat, was not counting on the success of that hopeless endeavor, just as he had not expected that last year’s appeals to step up Ukraine’s integration into NATO would have any positive effect.

Vivid proof of the unpreparednesss of the minister’s measures is the fact that our own Verkhovna Rada still has not recognized the Holodomor as an act of genocide. So, it was no surprise that in response to some Ukrainian parliamentarians’ appeal to the Israeli Knesset to recognize the Holodomor as an act of genocide, the Israeli parliament said it did not know anything about this genocide. This happened when Kyiv was marking the 65th anniversary of the Babyn Yar tragedy, so our MPs must have expected the Jews, moved as they were by the hospitality of the Ukrainian establishment during the ceremonies, to reciprocate.

I think that those gentlemen from the Verkhovna Rada not only have a rather vague idea about the Holodomor, they also failed to closely follow the events in Babyn Yar. They must have missed the speech delivered by Viacheslav Kantor, the leader of the Jewish communities in Russia, who angrily rejected all attempts to identify the Holodomor with the Holocaust because, in his opinion, the famine of 1932-1993 was not genocidal and that many peoples of the former USSR had also suffered.

We have heard statements like this before, haven’t we? Another possibility is that Kantor, as a representative of such a democratic country as Russia, simply had no choice. Yet his sharp condemnation of Ukrainians who had allegedly massacred Jews in Babyn Yar is evidence that he was voicing his own view.
More: [link to www.ukemonde.com]

"On April 27, 2010, a draft Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe resolution declared the famine was caused by the "cruel and deliberate actions and policies of the Soviet regime" and was responsible for the deaths of "millions of innocent people" in Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Moldova and Russia.[28] Even though PACE found Stalin guilty of causing the famine, they rejected several amendments to the resolution, which proposed the Holodomor be recognized as an act of genocide against the Ukrainian people.[35]"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
Because it was perpetrated by Jews - Laventry Beria and "the vicious dwarf" Genrikh Yagoda.
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
When victims of communism will start suing Israel?
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
When will my ramen and diet coke merge with my tomato plant?
The Quail-Call is kind of like a rape-whistle.
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
Because it was perpetrated by Jews - Laventry Beria and "the vicious dwarf" Genrikh Yagoda.
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Canada is one of the few countries that has recognised this as a genocide, hats off to Canada.
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
Because there's no profit to be made from starving people?

Just an observation, not my personal opinion.

My opinion is to get rid of money, share the love and make the world a better place for every living creature..What was it John Lennon said? Ouch...lol no, Imagine...!!
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
Unfortunately... It was the 1930's.

Sad to say... There was no internet then.

Sad to say... There MAY BE NO internet in 2020.

Think about it.

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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
Because there's no profit to be made from starving people?

Just an observation, not my personal opinion.

My opinion is to get rid of money, share the love and make the world a better place for every living creature..What was it John Lennon said? Ouch...lol no, Imagine...!!
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A world without money? I am sure that there are millions of human beings that would think that an impossible fantasy, after all humans did not live for thousands upon thousands of years without money.
Then Jesus came along and saved them.
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?


Who controls the media?
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide
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The world has an official genocide recognition board?
book
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
OP, please edit your title as the correct orthogragh is Holodomor, not Holomodor

Thank you for your post.
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
OP, please edit your title as the correct orthogragh is Holodomor, not Holomodor

Thank you for your post.
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I cannot, I'm an AC so i do not have such entitlements.
However apart from that I am glad you like the thread, I just happened to wake up thinking about it this morning, why I don't know, Maybe it was triggered by the famine in Somalia?
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide
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The world has an official genocide recognition board?
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


I don't know, is there? If not do you think there should be one?
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
if somewhere among those 7,000,000 were only some chinese that beat up a kid, you damn sure we would care more!
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
if somewhere among those 7,000,000 were only some chinese that beat up a kid, you damn sure we would care more!
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Do you think as many people responding to that video/thread would have bothered about that kid if he was black or a Muslim?
How different would the resonses have been if say the thread title read "MUSLIM child attacked in China people do nothing ...hand crushed."
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
We have(had? I'll check tomorrow) a small plaque that commemorates this terrible tragedy outside a property that was once a church.

The church has since been sold, the plaque may have been moved, hopefully another location.
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
We have(had? I'll check tomorrow) a small plaque that commemorates this terrible tragedy outside a property that was once a church.

The church has since been sold, the plaque may have been moved, hopefully another location.
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Wow, in Australia?
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
What else is interesting? If you pay attention, in popular big popular production films with evil villians in them, almost all the nastiest villains have Ukranian sounding names.
For an agrarian society, they seem to have incurred some serious world media wrath and indifference, simply for wanting for themselves in their country what, say frinstance, what the izzies want for themselves
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
there's over 4 million homeless children in russia alone that are starving and have succumbed to huffing glue so they can "space out"

there's over 2 million homeless children throughout Asia being beaten, sold and killed for organs

throw in most of Africa starving populace the ongoing wars for "peace" by the anglo-saxon-zionist faction and the whole earth's population is being decimated as we speak

the Gates foundation are no implementing covert eugenic operations under the guise of vaccinations

don't forget the radioactive elements all over the planet including POLONIUM and you can say the future for most of humanity and other living creatures don't look so bright

something needs to happen to change this current timeline, something drastic that would remove the evil that has taken control of the planet

i mean it, it needs to happen if humanity is going to survive on earth
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
Thanks for the contribution ac 1476626, although I think that you are by and large right, it also seems that so far no matter how many pogroms have befallen humans, we are still here, and with an even larger population that has ever existed throughout history, thanks to technology.
However, how long can this go on without us using up every last piece of natural resourse and available arable land to feed a growing world population?
Could the holodomor be a warning to us all that if we do not change our ways we could all starve to death in the very near future?
That's a scary thought.
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
Because it was perpetrated by Jews - Laventry Beria and "the vicious dwarf" Genrikh Yagoda.
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Canada is one of the few countries that has recognised this as a genocide, hats off to Canada.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1476296


Canada has a large Ukrainian population.
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
Because there's no profit to be made from starving people?

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Yes. When Tsar Alexander I freed the serfs, large estates were broken up and redistributed among the former feudal tenants and a relatively happy society evolved. The last thing they wanted to do was cede control of their family farms to the Jewish Bolshevik's "collectivization" plans.

So they starved them to death instead. And shipped the confiscated wheat from "the breadbasket of Europe" all over the world to raise money for their GULAG slave labour camps and depressed the world price of wheat in doing so.

One of the contributors to the "great depression" and the driving off and suffering of North American farmers for the benefit of the bankers who financed the Bolsheviks to take over their holdings too.
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
Because it was perpetrated by Jews - Laventry Beria and "the vicious dwarf" Genrikh Yagoda.
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beria wasn't jewish. he was georgian.
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
What difference does it make if it is officially called "genocide"? I learned about the starvation of the Ukranian people over forty years ago in school. The word "genocide" wasn't PC back then...we just called it "murder". Calling it "genocide" won't bring any of the dead people back...and Stalin is dead and probably burning in hell.
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide
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The world has an official genocide recognition board?
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Well there is the the Hague Institute for Global Justice, but chairman of the board is Madeleine Albright, who herself thought it was ok to starve half a million Iraqi children to death, just to teach that evil Saddam Hussein a lesson

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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
Because they are watching Lady Gaga on TV?
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Re: Holomodor: Why isn’t the world recognizing the deliberate starvation of 7,000,000 people as genocide?
What difference does it make if it is officially called "genocide"? I learned about the starvation of the Ukranian people over forty years ago in school. The word "genocide" wasn't PC back then...we just called it "murder". Calling it "genocide" won't bring any of the dead people back...and Stalin is dead and probably burning in hell.
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