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How Can Anybody Take the Bible Verbatim???

 
Anonymous Coward
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How can anyone take the bible as the word of some god, whose history shows him to be the snowball effect of what we call sun worship?

The stupidity level of earlier humans can be (to a point) justified, however, we today should know better - and we don't.
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You only prove yourself to be stupid by spouting zeitgeist material, more than 90% of the info they spout is FALSE, do some research yourself its all FALSE.
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To reply to this and those who climb on board is to cast pearls before swine.
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Right, because people who haven't left their brain at the door are somehow "swine".

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How can anyone take the bible as the word of some god, whose history shows him to be the snowball effect of what we call sun worship?

The stupidity level of earlier humans can be (to a point) justified, however, we today should know better - and we don't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1098392


You only prove yourself to be stupid by spouting zeitgeist material, more than 90% of the info they spout is FALSE, do some research yourself its all FALSE.
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Zeitgeist is just a very brief summary. If you want real research then read, Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection. Besides comparative religion has existed long before Zeitgeist.
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If you want to "grieve", grieve for us now because we are living in the end times

Matthew
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


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 Quoting: Smith_and_Jones


And there's zero chance that any of this stuff already occurred, way back when?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482058


To answer your question, Read this article
[link to jackmclamb.community.officelive.com]
In particular, go about 2/3 down that page and get your King James Bible out and follow, verse by verse, as you see for yourself who the antichrist is and when he will arrive.

The antichrist is part of the Tribulation.

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To answer your question, Read this article
[link to jackmclamb.community.officelive.com]
In particular, go about 2/3 down that page and get your King James Bible out and follow, verse by verse, as you see for yourself who the antichrist is and when he will arrive.

The antichrist is part of the Tribulation.

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 Quoting: Smith_and_Jones


A fallen angel disguised as a Pope? There's one I hadn't heard before.

Just more confirmtion that Christianity Inc. largely won't recognize any of what unfolds from here on in.
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To answer your question, Read this article
[link to jackmclamb.community.officelive.com]
In particular, go about 2/3 down that page and get your King James Bible out and follow, verse by verse, as you see for yourself who the antichrist is and when he will arrive.

The antichrist is part of the Tribulation.

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 Quoting: Smith_and_Jones


A fallen angel disguised as a Pope? There's one I hadn't heard before.

Just more confirmtion that Christianity Inc. largely won't recognize any of what unfolds from here on in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482058


Yes, it's all there in Scripture. Great stuff.

People use the word "Christianity" in a very broad sort of a way.

The Vatican and the Pope claim to be "Christian", but that article clearly shows that NOT to be true.

If people are not reading the King James Bible, but only attending "mainstream 501c3 govt controlled Christian churches" with FALSE PREACHERS in the pulpit who are lying to them about what the Bible says, then those people are in serious peril.

And so I agree..... "mainstream Christian Inc." will not know what is happening.

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Mike in Vegas
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07/25/2011 02:55 PM
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The Bible is the book of the race of Adam. Gen 5:1

If you are not an Adamite there is nothing in there for you, stay out of it as you will not have the spirit to understand the mysteries that are written.
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It's a an ancient game of telephone gone horrible wrong, that's why.




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What Christianity was originally and what it has become today are two entirely different animals.
 Quoting: Soultrain


Scripture * is * Jesus Christ in written form

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

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 Quoting: Smith_and_Jones


' full of grace and truth.'

That about sums it up. No other bible than the King James Authorized is full of more truth. It literally 'checks out' in historical, archeological and self referentially. None of the others do.

And the KEY to the scriptures is GRACE.

And with the Law of Grace in effect, there is no more Mosaic Law.

Without wielding this KEY doctrine of grace, you have no business in the Old Testament. You will never find truth if you try to apply the Law of Moses.

The blood of Jesus handled that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466944


The Law is still in effect

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Matthew
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Without the law, there is no need for people to repent and turn to Jesus.

The Law is still in effect.

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 Quoting: Smith_and_Jones


haha, too funny. The bible is true because the bible said it's true.......

Circular logic anyone?
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Much of the bible requires the proper "interpretation" to be understood. The problem is no two people have exactly the same interpretation.
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Scripture * is * Jesus Christ in written form

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

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 Quoting: Smith_and_Jones


' full of grace and truth.'

That about sums it up. No other bible than the King James Authorized is full of more truth. It literally 'checks out' in historical, archeological and self referentially. None of the others do.

And the KEY to the scriptures is GRACE.

And with the Law of Grace in effect, there is no more Mosaic Law.

Without wielding this KEY doctrine of grace, you have no business in the Old Testament. You will never find truth if you try to apply the Law of Moses.

The blood of Jesus handled that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466944


The Law is still in effect

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Matthew
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Without the law, there is no need for people to repent and turn to Jesus.

The Law is still in effect.

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 Quoting: Smith_and_Jones


haha, too funny. The bible is true because the bible said it's true.......

Circular logic anyone?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1473858


Ha Ha Ha..... YES!

Don't you agree it's true?

If not, what is true?

How do you know?

Do you have absolute proof that you know what's true or are you just using faith?

If you are just using faith, is it easier for you to have faith in what you believe than it is for a King James Bible believer?

Where did we come from?

Where are we going?

Why didn't the Romans just display Jesus' corpse and end Christianity at the very start?

Why does TIME revolve around the appearance of Jesus on Earth?

How many historians around the time of Jesus' crucifixion wrote about Him even though they were not Christians?

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Much of the bible requires the proper "interpretation" to be understood. The problem is no two people have exactly the same interpretation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1417778


Oh Dear...... where did you hear that nonsense and why do you believe it?

2nd Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

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It is very logical.

Everyone reading millenia-old books should take it with a grain of salt.

The bible is based on truth, it is up to you to decide what is and what is not.
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It is very logical.

Everyone reading millenia-old books should take it with a grain of salt.

The bible is based on truth, it is up to you to decide what is and what is not.
 Quoting: Kimchi


Ha Ha Ha....... clearly you are not a King James Bible believer.

If anyone does what you suggest, then they are only making themselves gods. Does anyone even need to read a King James Bible to do that?
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Anyone who has even cursorily studied Hebrew knows that it is a fool's errand to interpret the bible literally.

The original language was meant to be carved in stone, which is why the characters vary in meaning depending upon the positioning of certain markers. If even a single marker was missed or omitted during translation from Aramaic Hebrew to modern, or from modern to Greek, etc, would result in massive alteration of the meaning of the text.
"People ask me to predict the future, when all I want to do is prevent it. Better yet, build it. Predicting the future is much too easy, anyway. You look at the people around you, the street you stand on, the visible air you breathe, and predict more of the same. To hell with more. I want better." ~ Ray Bradbury
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I don't get it, as poster above said, there's lots of wisdom in the bible; the ten-commandments are probably the best starting points for any conversation about morality anyone could have, but there is so much of it that has been compiled with an agenda. It seems too that to be critical of it or question it, people get all bent out of shape. It's those people that just blindly follow it or any other religion or creed that make the world an insane place
 Quoting: Soultrain


Oh Dear....... when a person "picks and chooses" what to believe and what not do believe in the King James Bible, then they are making themselves god.

It's ALL or it's nothing, plain and simple. The Creator God preserved His Word in the King James Bible.

Truth is truth even if nobody believes it.

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 Quoting: Smith_and_Jones


So, King James is God! I finally found God! Yay!

Congratulate me for getting a ticket to heaven!

Now!
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Much of the bible requires the proper "interpretation" to be understood. The problem is no two people have exactly the same interpretation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1417778


Oh Dear...... where did you hear that nonsense and why do you believe it?

2nd Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

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 Quoting: Smith_and_Jones


Sorry dude, but it's true and you know it. That's why there are so many different flavors of Christianity. If the bible was clear and readily understandable, there would only be one type of Christianity.
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I don't get it, as poster above said, there's lots of wisdom in the bible; the ten-commandments are probably the best starting points for any conversation about morality anyone could have, but there is so much of it that has been compiled with an agenda. It seems too that to be critical of it or question it, people get all bent out of shape. It's those people that just blindly follow it or any other religion or creed that make the world an insane place
 Quoting: Soultrain


Oh Dear....... when a person "picks and chooses" what to believe and what not do believe in the King James Bible, then they are making themselves god.

It's ALL or it's nothing, plain and simple. The Creator God preserved His Word in the King James Bible.

Truth is truth even if nobody believes it.

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 Quoting: Smith_and_Jones


So, King James is God! I finally found God! Yay!

Congratulate me for getting a ticket to heaven!

Now!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1217128


Ha Ha Ha...... you better check your ticket again. The first 2 letters might say He, but after that.......? Time will tell.

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Much of the bible requires the proper "interpretation" to be understood. The problem is no two people have exactly the same interpretation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1417778


Oh Dear...... where did you hear that nonsense and why do you believe it?

2nd Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

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 Quoting: Smith_and_Jones


Sorry dude, but it's true and you know it. That's why there are so many different flavors of Christianity. If the bible was clear and readily understandable, there would only be one type of Christianity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1417778


No need to be sorry. If that is what you truly believe, then sure, believe that.

You seem to forget the Satan factor in your "one type of Christianity" comment.

There is ONLY one type of Christianity, the rest are false.

Can't you apply what you are learning from the real world to your understanding about the King James Bible?

Paper money is not REAL. It's a complete hoax. Paper has NO value by itself. There is NOTHING of value behind paper money.

A photo of you is only a representation of YOU. You can burn that photo but you still exist. You could die, but your family could still have photos of you. There is ONLY ONE YOU. You are what's REAL. The photos are just copies of you and they can be distorted by anyone at any time.

TRUE Christianity is the same thing. People can make distorted copies of the real thing and they have.

You seem smart. Just ponder it for a while.

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Anyone who has even cursorily studied Hebrew knows that it is a fool's errand to interpret the bible literally.

The original language was meant to be carved in stone, which is why the characters vary in meaning depending upon the positioning of certain markers. If even a single marker was missed or omitted during translation from Aramaic Hebrew to modern, or from modern to Greek, etc, would result in massive alteration of the meaning of the text.
 Quoting: ClearEyed Thinker


I wonder if God knew that His Bible was so fragile?

I wonder what He was thinking after creating the entire universe?

Perhaps God's Bible is a hologram?

Holograms and the Bible
[link to www.youtube.com]

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Everyone reading millenia-old books should take it with a grain of salt.
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Exquisite! Quote of the Week. If we dig in there without understanding the huge differences in our 21st mindset and that of the days and lands in which scripture was initially issued, we'll end up believing a bunch of absurd stuff that God never had in mind. Like "eternal punishment".
If we don't get acquainted with the language of symbolism, we'll end up in left field, running in circles.
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Everyone reading millenia-old books should take it with a grain of salt.
 Quoting: Kimchi


Exquisite! Quote of the Week. If we dig in there without understanding the huge differences in our 21st mindset and that of the days and lands in which scripture was initially issued, we'll end up believing a bunch of absurd stuff that God never had in mind. Like "eternal punishment".
If we don't get acquainted with the language of symbolism, we'll end up in left field, running in circles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482058


I can see that you are well versed in "modern" thought, but it clearly is NOT serving you well in this instance.

Are people getting smarter or are they getting dumber?

Here you go

The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America
[link to www.deliberatedumbingdown.com]

"Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt, former Senior Policy Advisor in the U.S. Department of Education, blew the whistle on government activities."


An 8th Grade Education In 1895
[link to www.rense.com]

Clearly, we ARE dumber

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The Bible is the only place you will find sanity in this ole world, and the only reason you don't believe that is because you are insane. But that's OK, what's not OK is to stay that way. So why don't you try something new and different, like stop accusing and start learning.

Guilty are the accusers!
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It's silly to do that because it's a translation of a translation of a translation that's been revised several times-- don't fundies comprehend that???
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It's silly to do that because it's a translation of a translation of a translation that's been revised several times-- don't fundies comprehend that???
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They're all screwed up in the head.

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It's silly to do that because it's a translation of a translation of a translation that's been revised several times-- don't fundies comprehend that???
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Now where did you hear that nonsense and why do you believe it?

The New Testament was written in Greek. Do people in Greece still speak and write Greek?

So where is the problem?

If a company in the USA is doing business with another company in a foreign land, don't they still communicate through interpreters?

How many interpreters does it take for a Chinese person to speak with an American? Does it take more than ONE translation?

Come on........ don't make this harder than it is. If you don't want to believe the King James Bible, then don't believe it, but don't make silly excuses.
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It's a an ancient game of telephone gone horrible wrong, that's why.

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The biblical text were preserved among the Greek in Constantinople.

As for the OP question, once you correctly discredit your caveman and billions of years the biblical account is the one with the weight of evidence and confirmed with a long history.

The Catholics know their Church is defunct and often run to atheism thinking that is somehow better.. how sad.
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Wasn't the New Testament written hundreds of years after Christ?
[link to carm.org]

KJV History

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Wasn't the New Testament written hundreds of years after Christ?
[link to carm.org]
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Good post, but I'm going to change it here because your post fooled me twice.

The New Testament was Authored by Men Who Knew Jesus
[link to carm.org]

KJV History [link to www.youtube.com]



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