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Anders Breivik says he wants to become Catholic

 
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I just read huge parts of his Norwegian killer manifesto. It looks like he wants to become Catholic.

European political solutions for the future

“HAD I the heavens’ embroidered cloths,
Enwrought with golden and silver light,
The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
Of night and light and the half light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet:
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.”
W.B. Yeats (1865–1939)

This chapter is not yet complete due to the complexity of the various aspects relating to solutions for Western Europe. I have, however, covered the basics of several relevant topics.

3.80 Reforming the European Church – from a diversified and un-appealing

“Labour Church” to a united, strong and appealing “Traditional Church”

Six decades of the Marxist doctrines of cultural relativism/pluralism and egalitarian thinking
has severely infected especially the Protestant church in Europe.

This has resulted in a situation where a majority of Protestants, me included, have lost all respect for the Protestant church.

An increasing number of European Protestants are converting to Catholicism. Only by turning to Rome may Protestants be able to see some of the shortcomings of our espoused faith.

Here is a list of reasons why Catholicism is a better alternative:

The Church cannot survive in a cultural Marxist society

A cultural Marxist society defies and rejects supernaturalism and tradition and thus does
what they can to gradually deconstruct the Church and the role of the Church.

For modernist Protestants (or also referred to as the Labour Party Church) religion is a
matter of fighting for equal rights, making the world a better place, being kind to everyone and 'spirituality'. It doesn't take very long for people to realise that you don't
have to go to church for that. So people stop going, and that eventually means the death
of modernist Christianity.

The first generation of modernist Christians will attend church regularly. The second will attend church sometimes. The third almost never. The fourth
and fifth will not see any need for worship. They will conclude that if religion is no more
than good works, then the religious ritual is redundant.
The “Labour Party Protestant Church” is subjective and sentimentalist

It eschews doctrine and favours individual spirituality and sentimental responses to
doctrines and moral issues. It is not long, therefore, before the individualist and
sentimentalist inclinations drive a person from a church that is dogmatic and demanding.

Modernists will prefer their own spirituality and emotional experiences to any sort of formal religious commitment. Thus the modern admission, "I'm interested in spirituality
but not religion." When this attitude prevails, modernist religion dies.

The Protestant Church is historically revisionist. They re-write history according to their prejudices. In religious terms this means they are cut off from tradition. They are therefore cut off from the life-stream of real religion. As
they cut themselves off from the tradition they will only have the latest religious
gimmick, fad or adaptation to contemporary culture. Such an ephemeral attitude cannot
provide for long term sustained religious longevity.


They don't have enough children to train up in their religion, and those children they do have are often taught that freedom of choice is a higher virtue than commitment or duty in religion. So they will lose the next generation to either real religion or paganism.

The Protestant Church allows moral degeneracy and that saps the strength out of real religion. Devotees of the Church demand moral purity, self discipline and restraint. Real
religion requires self discipline. The Protestant church makes no demands. The Protestant Church makes no great demands for its devotees to be religious. Ask any
modernist Protestant, "Why should I come to Church?" What would he answer? "You
don't have to come to church.

It's there if you want it. If it does you good, and makes
you feel better, we're here to serve you." Priests wring their hands and wonder why no one comes to Church anymore. It's because for forty years they've been saying, "It's not
really a mortal sin to miss Church.

You should come because you love God, not because
you fear him." While this sentiment may be laudable, they shouldn't therefore be
surprised if no one comes to Church.



Many Protestant converts embrace the Tradition of the Roman Catholic Church and contend that this Tradition sets the Catholic Faith apart from its Protestant counterpart.
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More from the manifesto :





Only Rome is the true church, since only Rome can lay claim to apostolic succession
dating back to Peter, the rock, per the sixteenth chapter of Matthew ("...you are Peter
and upon this rock I will build my church...").

Only the Roman Catholic Church is rooted and grounded in this ancient apostolic tradition. Thus, "there is no fully Christian church
but the one that was there from the beginning. By cutting itself off from this unbroken chain of succession dating back to Peter, Protestantism was adrift from the beginning.

And given the maturity of the "Mother Church," the Protestant Reformation was really
nothing more than a kind of teen-age rebellion.

Sure, Martin Luther was an essential figure and it is thanks to the Protestant revolution
that Europe was “allowed to become” the technological and scientific superpower it is.

Hadn’t it been for the separation of Church and state we may have still lived in the dark
ages.

The Protestant reformation/revolution was needed and has resulted in the following
positive changes (all these changes have been adopted by the Catholic countries/Catholic
church as well):

- The partial separation of Church and state (significantly limiting the political power of the
Church)
- Allowing European countries/companies all rights in regards to research and development
(scientific evolution).
- Removing corrupt policies relating to indulgences/absolution (financial compensation to
avoid purgatory or the practice of indulgences being sold)
- Allowing mass to be held on non-Latin languages
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The Pope, the ultimate knight of Christendom

When a just and conservative Pope mounts the chair of Peter, the tide will set strongly
toward Rome. We will hear of conversions on every hand. The joyful radiance of this Pope's appearance among us will be seen as nothing less than a strong and just knight of
Christianity.

A Crusader Pope, a man who symbolises and protects the persecuted Church. This new Pope will be a defender of Christianity, and will not contribute to the
annihilation of Christendom through suicidal humanism.
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Let Him...
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He said he d not really believe in God. He called himself more of a "Cultural Christian." He also heavily criticized the popes in anoter part of the dcument.
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This would have been a good manifesto if the guy hadn't killed anybody. Seriously.
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He said he d not really believe in God. He called himself more of a "Cultural Christian." He also heavily criticized the popes in anoter part of the dcument.
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Yeah, I would never have accepted him as a Catholic anyways, since he was also a Freemason. Freemasons can't be Catholics, they are Satanic scum like him.
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The thread topic.

Catholic hating Protestant trying to implicate the
Church when one of their own committed this horror.

If he becomes Roman Catholic, God help him, there is the
"grace" from God in Confession.
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He was a Templar Knight which is Catholic founded. He supported the Catholic Church and said the Pope seemed suicidal by allowing Islam to colonize Europe.

He turned on his "liberal family" according to the Guardian paper.

IMO he is the NWO minion who decided he did not like Islam living side-by-side with Roman Catholicism. However, his family and the rest of the masonic knights know THIS IS THE PLAN for Europe.. to get rid of all others (non Catholics) using violent Islam.
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The thread topic.

Catholic hating Protestant trying to implicate the
Church when one of their own committed this horror.

If he becomes Roman Catholic, God help him, there is the
"grace" from God in Confession.
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Yup, the intention of this thread. So original...Catholic
bashing at GLP. goodevil
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So original...Catholic bashing at GLP. goodevil
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I'm not a Catholic basher, I just to point out a weird part of his manifesto.
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So original...Catholic bashing at GLP. goodevil
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I'm not a Catholic basher, I just to point out a weird part of his manifesto.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1481396


OP, the man was not Christian, he was insane.

This will help clarify, no way was he Christian, desiring
to become Roman Catholic.

[link to www.religionnews.com]
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Liturgical Longings

High church liturgy (much more dignified rituals known to Protestants as “service/communion”), is a common feature of Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches. The Reformed and Evangelical Protestant churches are missing out on an
essential part, the fullness and richness of high church liturgy. The traditional Christian components such as the Mass and the Eucharist are essential.

To quote a Catholic:

“The splendour of Roman Catholic liturgy or the “vision” of the Roman Catholic Church is
immense. It is full of glory and dignity. It is un-supportedly bright. But not only this: it is
present in the Mass. ... But it is only in the liturgy...that the whole drama is unfurled and
the scrim of temporality is pierced, and we begin to see both the abyss and the Sapphire
Throne. It is very hard to keep this vision alive in non-liturgical worship.”

Liturgy, for the most part, is the same no matter which Catholic Church a parishioner attends. The Catholic can worship at any Catholic Church and discover there is basically the same order of worship, the same symbolism, and the same ritual. Protestant churches have communion only a few times each year while Catholics has it
on a weekly basis.
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The Protestant liberal Church defends and encourages the ordination of women, divorce, abortion, the mass scale distribution of contraceptive pills and contributes to glorify homosexuality (including the ordination of homosexuals). When the Church resembles a minimalistic shopping mall, the female priest wears jeans, defends abortion and the mass scale distribution of contraceptive pills, defends the Jihad against the Israelis and lives a
sexually active life; then what is the point? We must go back to our Catholic roots. We, the protestant nations of Europe should not forget that we were all Catholics once.
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Other parts from his rant ...

Explanations

Liturgy: The word, which especially among Protestants is sometimes rendered by its English translation "service", refers to an elaborate formal ritual such as the Catholic

Mass/Eucharist.
Eucharist: The Eucharist, also called Holy Communion, Sacrament of the Table, the Blessed Sacrament, or The Lord's Supper, and other names, is a Christian sacrament or
ordinance, generally considered to be a commemoration of the Last Supper, the final meal that Jesus Christ shared with his disciples before his arrest and eventual crucifixion.

The consecration of bread and a cup within the rite recalls the moment at the Last Supper when Jesus gave his disciples bread, saying, "This is my body", and wine, saying,
"This is my blood"

Mass: Mass is the usual English-language name for the Eucharistic celebration in the Latin liturgical rites of the Catholic Church. The term is used also of similar celebrations in Old Catholic Churches (a German schism from the 19th Century), in the Anglo-Catholic tradition of Anglicanism, in many Lutheran churches, and in a small number of High Church Methodist parishes.

The Mass and the Eucharist really can't be separated since the latter is the central act --
the climax -- of the former.

Nativity scenes: A nativity scene is a depiction of the birth of Jesus as described in the
gospels of Matthew and Luke. Living nativity scenes, in which real people and animals participate, exhibit (at the minimum) figures representing the infant Jesus, his mother
Mary, and Mary's husband, Joseph. Some nativity scenes include other characters from the Biblical story such as shepherds, the Magi, and angels.

Some features of the dramas became part of both Catholic and Protestant Christmas services with children often taking the parts of characters in the nativity story. Nativity plays and pageants, culminating in living nativity scenes, eventually entered public
schools.

Today, such exhibitions are challenged on the grounds of separation of church and state.
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I agree that the guy is insane though and that his manifesto is mostly made up of un-christian bullshit.
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He was a Templar Knight which is Catholic founded.
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When the Templars were founded ALL christianity was catholic....
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He is a Zionist agent. His "manifesto" tries to link him to various groups the Zionists want tainted by association, even though they had nothing to do with him, and never endorsed his actions.
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He is a Zionist agent. His "manifesto" tries to link him to various groups the Zionists want tainted by association, even though they had nothing to do with him, and never endorsed his actions.
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You're an idiot and your "zionists" do not exist.
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I agree that the guy is insane though and that his manifesto is mostly made up of un-christian bullshit.
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How could Breivik write an anti-multiculturalism manifesto while being a freemason? Arent freemasons globalists?

The guy was messed up for sure.
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He was a Templar Knight which is Catholic founded.
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When the Templars were founded ALL christianity was catholic....
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No they werent. Many non-Latin Christians died in the Crusades. Same as today the Catholics and Muslims fight to eliminate the Vatican's real enemies. All directed by Rome, the reason they created Islam in the 7th century.
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I agree that the guy is insane though and that his manifesto is mostly made up of un-christian bullshit.
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How could Breivik write an anti-multiculturalism manifesto while being a freemason? Arent freemasons globalists?

The guy was messed up for sure.
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It seems he flipped against the Islamization of Europe. Many he killed were probably fellow FM.
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He is a Zionist agent. His "manifesto" tries to link him to various groups the Zionists want tainted by association, even though they had nothing to do with him, and never endorsed his actions.
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You're an idiot and your "zionists" do not exist.
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Wrong, on both accounts!
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