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Protestants error again, proclaiming our justification comes by belief (faith) alone....

 
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and "OP"

this statement you made here:
"God gave the Church the gift to interpret Scripture not each
person personally".

*******

I don't have a "Church".

God gave me the "Holy Spirit" to lead me, guide me, and teach me all things.

As far as I can see it ... the "Body of Christ" is the church.
Not some man made building, or some "religious institution".

I just don't follow
this line of thought you've put out.

And every day is the "Sabbath" to me, for I rest in Him everyday, and I give thanks to Him everyday.

As far as confession ... well that's between me and Him in "Yahushua Ha Mashiachs" name aka "Christ Jesus". He's my mediator and intercessor, for there is no other needed.

No priest, no rabbi, no reverend, or preacher.
They are all just as faulty as me.

Only through the "sacred blood of the Holy Lamb", His "Holy Son", and by the power of the "Holy Spirit" I will approach my "Heavenly Father" who is in heaven. No other way will I come unto Him.
 Quoting: A child of Yah 1484160


You are your own Pope. You decide. The Protestant way. Everyone gets to, why there are thousands and thousands of Protestant sects.

Me, me, me...it's Jesus and me, I'll decide my justification.

Seriously, how can you do that??...God would never set it
up this way, He understands Man's pride.

The Holy Spirit does not guide each person into their own
version of the Truth. Protestants always remain silent
on being so split, of the 30,000 +, who has the Truth?

I am trying to help...so you'll say yes at the Great Warning.
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Hi, hi

You are mistaken, quit following men. Faith and grace
are a free gift from God, not our justification.

We are justified by faith and works. With the help of
God's grace we choose to do a good. Which is a work.
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And Scripture says:

Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 4:23-5:1

Sorry I will trust the word of God and not popery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1162851


You conflict with the Word of God. Reply to James.
God gave the Church the authority to interpret Scripture
not each person.

From 33 A.D., the teaching passed down from Christ to
the Apostles, it is Faith and Works that justify us.

You follow Martin Luther, he came up with Faith Alone in
1517. He's your pope friend. You don't have to keep following him, he was/is wrong.

James 2:24
2Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?


Don't deny history, Faith Alone came from Luther.
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Matthew 27 51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split.

So Jesus rips the curtain and y'all try to put it back up? Am I getting this right so far???
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1157811


Hi, hi

You are mistaken, quit following men. Faith and grace
are a free gift from God, not our justification.

We are justified by faith and works. With the help of
God's grace we choose to do a good. Which is a work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465764


And Scripture says:

Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 4:23-5:1

Sorry I will trust the word of God and not popery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1162851


You conflict with the Word of God. Reply to James.
God gave the Church the authority to interpret Scripture
not each person.

From 33 A.D., the teaching passed down from Christ to
the Apostles, it is Faith and Works that justify us.

You follow Martin Luther, he came up with Faith Alone in
1517. He's your pope friend. You don't have to keep following him, he was/is wrong.

James 2:24
2Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?


Don't deny history, Faith Alone came from Luther.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465764


You lack spiritual discerment and do not understand scripture at all. You need to get saved/born again. Your spiritual nakedness is apparant to all who are true believers.

It is so basic that James 2 is speaking of justification "in respect to persons" meaning in the eyes of men as stated in verse 1. I will give the full context here but it will not matter to your spiritually blinded eyes. But for the sake of clearing any believers confusion brought on by your lies James 2 is speaking strictly to the justification of a person in the eyes of his fellowman and has nothing at all to do with works for salvation WHATSOEVER!

My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats. Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Preaching for money. It's a conflict of interest. One of the few times Christ got physically angry was when people were trying to make a profit in a house of worship.

 Quoting: Tyranny of Evil Men


The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “Do not muzzle the ox while it is treading out the grain,” and “The worker deserves his wages.” 1 Tim. 5:17–18:

Don’t you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. 1 Corinthians 9:13–14:

It is love of money ie money being the motivation for preaching that is the sin.

Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
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You are preaching a false doctrine. There is no other means to be saved other than faith in Jesus!

Answer this question...

Jesus said, "I did not come here to cancel the law, but to fulfill it." Is Jesus still here bodily on earth? The law has been fulfilled! Yet another "trick" question...what is the monthly mortgage payment in the 20th year..on a 15 year loan that was $2,000.00/month?

If your answer was $0.00, give yourself a few bonus points! When the contract is over, then there is no longer a need to pay the mortgage. Learn that! The "bill" for the "Law" has been PAID!!!!!! There is NO NEED TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO FULFILL THE LAW!!!
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??????? What you said I'm trying to make sense of .....he did not come to cancel the law.....so he didn't come to cancel the mortgage...but he came to fulfill it....yes he fulfilled the law so that we may have eternal salvation by following the commandments of God.

Revelations 22
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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How can you go on with Luther's Faith Alone? scared

It came from him, do you seeee? It's not Scriptural, Jesus
in the message to Father Melvin explained again.

Read the OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465764


Dude really. You should really read Matthew 23 and take notes. 1st warning bell should be the fact you are quoting "Father" Melvin. Jesus specifically told us not to call anyone father!!!! Matthew 23 8-12 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ. The greatest among you will be your servant. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Why do people constantly follow the traditions of man

Matthew 15 8-9 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.They worship me in vain their teachings are but rules taught by men."
 Quoting: moomoo750


Jesus was using hyperbole. You have misinterpreted that
verse along with most Protestants. Jesus and the Apostles
referred to holy men and teachers as Father.

Matthew 19:16-21

Now someone approached him and said, "Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?" He answered him, "Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." He asked him, "Which ones?" And Jesus replied, " `You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; honor your father and your mother'; and `you shall love your neighbor as yourself.'" The young man said to him, "All of these I have observed. What do I still lack?" Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to (the) poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Our Lord's words, sound like a "work" to me. You choose
to do a good work or not follow the Commandments. Every
day? What is your life then, Luther's "faith alone" is so
lame.
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There are rewards for good works. They are called crowns and they are given for works done by the Holy Spirit working through us in which they were pure and not flesh driven. Those crowns are given at the Judgment Seat of Christ to only believers. This is also called the Bema seat judgements because they are alikened to the rewards given after a race to those who finished. Those crowns are then thrown at Jesus Christ's feet at the coronation of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb because it is He and He alone who all honor and glory is due.
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Jesus knew of the coming apostacy of the catholic church and of those who would subvert authority over the people. He told the people not to call any man father as a warning to alert us that when we heard that term being used as a title that this is what He was speaking of. He gave us a clue that those who would subvert the His sole authority over the churches would be apostate. The popery fell right in for this.
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You are your own Pope. You decide. The Protestant way. Everyone gets to, why there are thousands and thousands of Protestant sects.

Me, me, me...it's Jesus and me, I'll decide my justification.

Seriously, how can you do that??...God would never set it
up this way, He understands Man's pride.

The Holy Spirit does not guide each person into their own
version of the Truth. Protestants always remain silent
on being so split, of the 30,000 +, who has the Truth?

I am trying to help...so you'll say yes at the Great Warning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465764


Jesus is the leader of the church body, there is no pope in Christianity, only Your Roman harlot Church. Jesus did set it up that way, to use the Bible to "reprove all things."

There are several sects because they reject what is written, like you.
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and "OP"

this statement you made here:
"God gave the Church the gift to interpret Scripture not each
person personally".

*******

I don't have a "Church".

God gave me the "Holy Spirit" to lead me, guide me, and teach me all things.

As far as I can see it ... the "Body of Christ" is the church.
Not some man made building, or some "religious institution".

I just don't follow
this line of thought you've put out.

And every day is the "Sabbath" to me, for I rest in Him everyday, and I give thanks to Him everyday.

As far as confession ... well that's between me and Him in "Yahushua Ha Mashiachs" name aka "Christ Jesus". He's my mediator and intercessor, for there is no other needed.

No priest, no rabbi, no reverend, or preacher.
They are all just as faulty as me.

Only through the "sacred blood of the Holy Lamb", His "Holy Son", and by the power of the "Holy Spirit" I will approach my "Heavenly Father" who is in heaven. No other way will I come unto Him.
 Quoting: A child of Yah 1484160


You are your own Pope. You decide. The Protestant way. Everyone gets to, why there are thousands and thousands of Protestant sects.

Me, me, me...it's Jesus and me, I'll decide my justification.

Seriously, how can you do that??...God would never set it
up this way, He understands Man's pride.

The Holy Spirit does not guide each person into their own
version of the Truth. Protestants always remain silent
on being so split, of the 30,000 +, who has the Truth?

I am trying to help...so you'll say yes at the Great Warning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465764


I don't see you helping ... I see you interfering with Gods children.

My personal relationship with my Heavenly Father is about "me".

Why don't you understand that?
It's definitely not about you.
It's not about some priest or preacher.
It's not about any pope or some pulpit pusher.

Are you going to be standing in my place at judgment?
Is some pope, priest, rabbi, or preacher taking my place?
Nope ... they sure ain't!!!

And I don't need to be a pope.
Yahushua Ha Mashiach makes intercession for me.
Why are you so arrogant and sarcastic about this?
Something is seriously wrong with your logic.

Mankind doesn't need to stand between me and God.
Yahushua is right there.

This logic you cast out is hindering those to come unto Him.
And stop calling me Protestant.
What's wrong with you?
You seem obsessed and possessed to put people down.

Is it because I don't want to join the so called "Church"?
Keep your man made buildings, and your man made traditions.
With all the pomp and circumstance.

I'll stand with the "Living Word of God", and yea ... the "Holy Spirit" is quite capable of taking caring of all things without the interference of mankind's ideas of how it should be done, and when it should be done.

Now you can take all I said as your own "Great Warning".
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How can you go on with Luther's Faith Alone? scared

It came from him, do you seeee? It's not Scriptural, Jesus
in the message to Father Melvin explained again.

Read the OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465764


Dude really. You should really read Matthew 23 and take notes. 1st warning bell should be the fact you are quoting "Father" Melvin. Jesus specifically told us not to call anyone father!!!! Matthew 23 8-12 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ. The greatest among you will be your servant. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Why do people constantly follow the traditions of man

Matthew 15 8-9 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.They worship me in vain their teachings are but rules taught by men."
 Quoting: moomoo750


Jesus was using hyperbole. You have misinterpreted that
verse along with most Protestants. Jesus and the Apostles
referred to holy men and teachers as Father.

Matthew 19:16-21

Now someone approached him and said, "Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?" He answered him, "Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." He asked him, "Which ones?" And Jesus replied, " `You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; honor your father and your mother'; and `you shall love your neighbor as yourself.'" The young man said to him, "All of these I have observed. What do I still lack?" Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to (the) poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Our Lord's words, sound like a "work" to me. You choose
to do a good work or not follow the Commandments. Every
day? What is your life then, Luther's "faith alone" is so
lame.
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If this truly what Christ was driving at which it was not (he knew the man did not believe on Christ for Salvation) then there is no way you are going to heaven.

This is not a commandment for going to heaven. It was a test.
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How can you go on with Luther's Faith Alone? scared

It came from him, do you seeee? It's not Scriptural, Jesus
in the message to Father Melvin explained again.

Read the OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465764


Dude really. You should really read Matthew 23 and take notes. 1st warning bell should be the fact you are quoting "Father" Melvin. Jesus specifically told us not to call anyone father!!!! Matthew 23 8-12 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ. The greatest among you will be your servant. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Why do people constantly follow the traditions of man

Matthew 15 8-9 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.They worship me in vain their teachings are but rules taught by men."
 Quoting: moomoo750


Jesus was using hyperbole. You have misinterpreted that
verse along with most Protestants. Jesus and the Apostles
referred to holy men and teachers as Father.

Matthew 19:16-21

Now someone approached him and said, "Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?" He answered him, "Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." He asked him, "Which ones?" And Jesus replied, " `You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; honor your father and your mother'; and `you shall love your neighbor as yourself.'" The young man said to him, "All of these I have observed. What do I still lack?" Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to (the) poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Our Lord's words, sound like a "work" to me. You choose
to do a good work or not follow the Commandments. Every
day? What is your life then, Luther's "faith alone" is so
lame.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465764


I don't need the title of a catholic to do good works...
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There are rewards for good works. They are called crowns and they are given for works done by the Holy Spirit working through us in which they were pure and not flesh driven. Those crowns are given at the Judgment Seat of Christ to only believers. This is also called the Bema seat judgements because they are alikened to the rewards given after a race to those who finished. Those crowns are then thrown at Jesus Christ's feet at the coronation of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb because it is He and He alone who all honor and glory is due.
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I disagree, we are not robots. We choose. God would not
have it any other way. He wants us to choose freely for
Him. Our love of Him would mean nothing if this weren't
true. Read the below and blessings, you are dear....Ac 11628..



"Some Protestants insist that it is the faith that does the work in us not we ourselves.


Faith (God's gift to man through His Word - Eph 2:8; Rom 10: 17) is a necessary motivation for us to obey but it does not make us obey. Man has a choice to resist or yield, therefore the obedience is our responsibility. It is our obedience in response to faith that brings justification (and Eternal Life). Justification then brings "perfect" or "complete" faith, the proof we have that Eternal Life (See John 3:36!). Further, Eternal Life is something we possess in degrees and that corresponds to how close we have grown to Christ. It is Eternal Life we are given not a promise of the eternal possession of that life. That Life, however, is so powerful that nothing in all the universe, but one's own self will and sin, can remove us from Christ's hand (Romans 8:35-39).
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Nope, Protestants have two things wrong.

Preaching for money. It's a conflict of interest. One of the few times Christ got physically angry was when people were trying to make a profit in a house of worship.

Second. Justification comes by following law. Law permits our salvation.

Ask Jesus into your heart all you want, fail to abandon drug use, fornication, adultery, murder, etc. and you cannot be saved no matter how much faith or belief you have.

Obedience to divine law to the best of your knowledge saves us , not faith, grace covers your past ignorance of the law, not a lack of desire to fulfill and abide your current knowledge and awareness of sin.

Grace is not a license to commit sin. Grace covers your ignorance and past mistakes. Not mistakes you choose to make with a full awareness of what sin (violations of the law) is.

Those mistakes you make with a full awareness you pay for yourself. ie. The leg I got broken by hanging out with people I shouldn't have been. The marijuana users at the marina last summer.
 Quoting: Tyranny of Evil Men


Completely agree on the 1st point. Then, you lost me.
Really???? Come on man. read for God sakes Galatians 3:11 Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." Matter of fact read all of Galatians 3.
 Quoting: moomoo750


This all pivots upon what is meant by "until all be fulfilled"

Protestants gamble upon the idea that all has been fulfilled, and that therefore the 'law' is done away with, but the fall feasts of YHWH are yet to be fulfilled and are part of TORAH. So all has not yet been fulfilled so the yod and tav (alpha and omega equivalent in Hebrew) of TORAH are still in place.

In Galatians, the Greek word used for 'Law' is nomos, which can also mean 'traditional law' as in the "traditions of the pharisees". If Paul wrote Galatians, and nomos means TORAH,then he comes into conflict with Yahushua, Yahushua preached TORAH, and condemned the "tradition of the pharisees (mishna and talmud), either Galatians is refering to mishna and talmud also, or it is in conflict with the teachings of Yahushua.

Yes, I am a judaiser, but I beleive that YAH does not change his direction halfway through. and that those who keep TORAH are those who enter the narrow gate(the doorposts of passover daubed with the blood of the lamb).

YHWH does not change, and Yehushua is the same yesterday, today and forever.
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Now you can take all I said as your own "Great Warning".
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Maybe sooner than you think.


If suddenly a bunch of people are missing. Don't believe the lies. You better get alone with God and put your faith in Jesus Christ alone as your only hope of salvation. Make that your priority. Sure afterwards go about doing good as God leads you to but as far as your salvation goes get that settled pronto because you will begin to suffer the Great Warning and it will not be plesant but at least if you die you will go to heaven.

I would suggest you find salvation through faith alone now and not put it off so you can avoid the Great Warning. But that's just me.
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How can you go on with Luther's Faith Alone? scared

It came from him, do you seeee? It's not Scriptural, Jesus
in the message to Father Melvin explained again.

Read the OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465764


Dude really. You should really read Matthew 23 and take notes. 1st warning bell should be the fact you are quoting "Father" Melvin. Jesus specifically told us not to call anyone father!!!! Matthew 23 8-12 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ. The greatest among you will be your servant. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Why do people constantly follow the traditions of man

Matthew 15 8-9 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.They worship me in vain their teachings are but rules taught by men."
 Quoting: moomoo750


Jesus was using hyperbole. You have misinterpreted that
verse along with most Protestants. Jesus and the Apostles
referred to holy men and teachers as Father.

Matthew 19:16-21

Now someone approached him and said, "Teacher, what good must I do to gain eternal life?" He answered him, "Why do you ask me about the good? There is only One who is good. If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." He asked him, "Which ones?" And Jesus replied, " `You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; honor your father and your mother'; and `you shall love your neighbor as yourself.'" The young man said to him, "All of these I have observed. What do I still lack?" Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to (the) poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Our Lord's words, sound like a "work" to me. You choose
to do a good work or not follow the Commandments. Every
day? What is your life then, Luther's "faith alone" is so
lame.
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I don't need the title of a catholic to do good works...
 Quoting: moomoo750


Hi,

If you read Our Lord's words to Father Melvin in the OP.

I really appreciate it. hf Some people don't take the time moomoo. Jesus explains, it's more than faith.

Trying to get you to see Faith Alone came from a man and
we know who it was...Martin Luther. When you experience
the Great Warning it will be a help. You'll recall and
say "Yes" God, now I see it's true, your personal enlightenment, showing me your Church. Those Catholics
kept professing it at GLP.

Fine, dear God, I shall become Catholic."
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There are rewards for good works. They are called crowns and they are given for works done by the Holy Spirit working through us in which they were pure and not flesh driven. Those crowns are given at the Judgment Seat of Christ to only believers. This is also called the Bema seat judgements because they are alikened to the rewards given after a race to those who finished. Those crowns are then thrown at Jesus Christ's feet at the coronation of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb because it is He and He alone who all honor and glory is due.
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I disagree, we are not robots. We choose. God would not
have it any other way. He wants us to choose freely for
Him. Our love of Him would mean nothing if this weren't
true. Read the below and blessings, you are dear....Ac 11628..

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Oh I forgot. You don't have the Holy Spirit within you and you have never felt what this was like. Surely I choose to walk after the Spirit of God, A Choice but when the Holy Spirit is doing it through you after you are obedient to do the work it is unbelievable what happens and how things are supernaturally accomplished. It is wholesale different than things done in the flesh. It is not a tingly feeling. It is a power that you understand is not of yourself. But sadly you won't ever get to experience that until the Holy Spirit comes into you and you are baptized by Him at your salvation. Until that happens these things are just foreign to you.
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Now you can take all I said as your own "Great Warning".
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Maybe sooner than you think.


If suddenly a bunch of people are missing.
Don't believe the lies. You better get alone with God and put your faith in Jesus Christ alone as your only hope of salvation. Make that your priority. Sure afterwards go about doing good as God leads you to but as far as your salvation goes get that settled pronto because you will begin to suffer the Great Warning and it will not be plesant but at least if you die you will go to heaven.

I would suggest you find salvation through faith alone now and not put it off so you can avoid the Great Warning. But that's just me.
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Ah, making fun of the Great Warning. I'll be surprised won't
I, if it's the Rapture, the escape instead of the Great
Warning.

It's not a long time in God's time but I have read the prophetic for many years, almost 13 years. The Great Warning,
the "awakening" is what Heaven calls it when speaking to
Protestant messengers.

It's in Revelation, Chapter 6:12 on....
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Jesus wept and I'd be willing to bet he hasn't stopped.
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Now you can take all I said as your own "Great Warning".
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Maybe sooner than you think.


If suddenly a bunch of people are missing.
Don't believe the lies. You better get alone with God and put your faith in Jesus Christ alone as your only hope of salvation. Make that your priority. Sure afterwards go about doing good as God leads you to but as far as your salvation goes get that settled pronto because you will begin to suffer the Great Warning and it will not be plesant but at least if you die you will go to heaven.

I would suggest you find salvation through faith alone now and not put it off so you can avoid the Great Warning. But that's just me.
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Ah, making fun of the Great Warning. I'll be surprised won't
I, if it's the Rapture, the escape instead of the Great
Warning.

It's not a long time in God's time but I have read the prophetic for many years, almost 13 years. The Great Warning,
the "awakening" is what Heaven calls it when speaking to
Protestant messengers.

It's in Revelation, Chapter 6:12 on....
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And I have studied the prophetic from Scripture alone not just Revelation but also the major and minor prophets for 40 years now and have been watching and anticipating their fulfillment. Soon you will see. I just wish nobody had to experience what is soon coming upon this earth.
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Please, everyone, go and read the words in Revelation 6. Start, I suggested at verse 12 to the finish, verse 17.

Despise not Prophecy. Doesn't Scripture say?

God speaks of the Great Warning telling you of those verses
in this excerpt from a message from Heaven in June of 2007.

GOD SPEAKS WILL YOU LISTEN

..."Remove the sins from your life now in the hour of mercy by the light of my spirit. All of mankind will soon have my light shine into their souls. Will you be able to withstand that day? Or will you cry to the rocks and the mountains to cover you and to try and hide from my presence? Better to be humble in my sight today than to wait until that hour. Take advantage of my mercies and graces today. For now is the acceptable time. Now is the day of salvation. Do not presume on my mercy. Cleanse your soul in my precious blood and make your soul acceptable in my sight today. The words of the Lord."
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...Despise not Prophecy. Doesn't Scripture say?

God speaks of the Great Warning telling you of those verses
in this excerpt from a message from Heaven in June of 2007.

GOD SPEAKS WILL YOU LISTEN

..."Remove the sins from your life now in the hour of mercy by the light of my spirit. All of mankind will soon have my light shine into their souls. Will you be able to withstand that day? Or will you cry to the rocks and the mountains to cover you and to try and hide from my presence? Better to be humble in my sight today than to wait until that hour. Take advantage of my mercies and graces today. For now is the acceptable time. Now is the day of salvation. Do not presume on my mercy. Cleanse your soul in my precious blood and make your soul acceptable in my sight today. The words of the Lord."
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Revelation 6:12-17
And I saw, when he had opened the sixth seal, and behold there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair: and the whole moon became as blood: [13] And the stars from heaven fell upon the earth, as the fig tree casteth its green figs when it is shaken by a great wind: [14] And the heaven departed as a book folded up: and every mountain, and the islands were moved out of their places. [15] And the kings of the earth, and the princes, and tribunes, and the rich, and the strong, and every bondman, and every freeman, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of mountains:

[16] And they say to the mountains and the rocks: Fall upon us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth upon the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb: [17] For the great day of their wrath is come, and who shall be able to stand?
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There are rewards for good works. They are called crowns and they are given for works done by the Holy Spirit working through us in which they were pure and not flesh driven. Those crowns are given at the Judgment Seat of Christ to only believers. This is also called the Bema seat judgements because they are alikened to the rewards given after a race to those who finished. Those crowns are then thrown at Jesus Christ's feet at the coronation of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb because it is He and He alone who all honor and glory is due.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1162851


I disagree, we are not robots. We choose. God would not
have it any other way. He wants us to choose freely for
Him. Our love of Him would mean nothing if this weren't
true. Read the below and blessings, you are dear....Ac 11628..

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465764


Oh I forgot. You don't have the Holy Spirit within you and you have never felt what this was like.
Surely I choose to walk after the Spirit of God, A Choice but when the Holy Spirit is doing it through you after you are obedient to do the work it is unbelievable what happens and how things are supernaturally accomplished. It is wholesale different than things done in the flesh. It is not a tingly feeling. It is a power that you understand is not of yourself. But sadly you won't ever get to experience that until the Holy Spirit comes into you and you are baptized by Him at your salvation. Until that happens these things are just foreign to you.
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Ac 11628..,

Don't be uspet with me, I am not arguing about the presence
of God the Holy Spirit in a person. I was trying to clarify
that false belief, it is God alone that does all the good
works through us. No, we cooperate with His grace and
choose to do a good work.

Let me paste again someone explaining it better than I can.
There's the Scripture to back it up if you're Bible Alone.

It will be a mystery until we die how God's grace and Him
not interfering with our free will choice to cooperate
with this grace...happens.

_ _+ +_ _+ +

"Some Protestants insist that it is the faith that does the work in us not we ourselves.


Faith (God's gift to man through His Word - Eph 2:8; Rom 10: 17) is a necessary motivation for us to obey but it does not make us obey. Man has a choice to resist or yield, therefore the obedience is our responsibility. It is our obedience in response to faith that brings justification (and Eternal Life). Justification then brings "perfect" or "complete" faith, the proof we have that Eternal Life (See John 3:36!). Further, Eternal Life is something we possess in degrees and that corresponds to how close we have grown to Christ. It is Eternal Life we are given not a promise of the eternal possession of that life. That Life, however, is so powerful that nothing in all the universe, but one's own self will and sin, can remove us from Christ's hand (Romans 8:35-39)."
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Jesus knew of the coming apostacy of the catholic church and of those who would subvert authority over the people. He told the people not to call any man father as a warning to alert us that when we heard that term being used as a title that this is what He was speaking of. He gave us a clue that those who would subvert the His sole authority over the churches would be apostate. The popery fell right in for this.
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Gosh, I am missing some of the replies, I would like to
respond to all of them.

To the above, now, not to argue. It's history, it's fact.
Jesus made Peter, changing his name for a good reason, Peter means rock. Our Lord made Peter leader of His Church. Peter was the first Pope, his remains are under the high altar in St. Peter's Basilica.

We read of Peter becoming leader of Christ's Church in
Matthew 16:18. Important, in that same verse, Jesus said
the gates of hell will not overcome My Church.

So what you are saying isn't true. That would make Our Lord
a liar. God can see everything, all time. Jesus knows.
We are headed for a greater persecution of the Church with
the anti-Christ and the false pope but we know how it ends.
Evil will not take down the Church. The Remnant is Roman
Catholic. You will say "yes" when it is divinely reveled
in the Great Warning.

Matthew 16:18
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.



love and blessings,

Mary
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typo, ooops!!!

You will say "yes" when it is divinely revealed
in the Great Warning.
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the pope is the Antichrist.. hes seat will be fullfilled by the next POPE who will be the beast of revelation.

salvation is by grace through faith

Bible way to Heaven
Know your a sinner
Rom 3:23 KJV - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
realize the penalty for Sin..hell
Rev 21:7 KJV - He that overcometh, shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my sonne.
Rev 21:8 KJV - But the feareful, and unbeleeving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone , which is the second death.
Who is he that overcometh?
1Jo 5:5 KJV - Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Jesus was born of a virgin lived a sinless life, the life that none of us could live, was crucified by hes own people he died and went to hell, rose again on the third day so you do not have to go there...
Rom 5:8 KJV - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Jesus wants to give us the Gift of eternal Life for free!!
Rom 6:23 KJV - For the wages of sin [is] death: but the gift of God [is] eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So why not call upon him and make him your saviour.. its a free gift and once your saved you have passed from death to life... you will live forever..
Jhn 5:24 KJV - Verily, verily I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation: but is passed from death unto life.
Rom 10:9 KJV - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart, that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 KJV - For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 KJV - For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him, shall not be ashamed.

Heres a simple prayer which if you mean it with your heart will see you saved and on your way to heaven..
Dear Jesus I know im a sinner , I know i deserve to goto Hell, but I realize you died and rose again please forgive my sin and take me to heaven when i die.. im only trusting you Jesus Amen..

Salvation is easy and Free
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even satan believes in Christ..probably more than most..because he knows Christ is the real deal
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


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There are rewards for good works. They are called crowns and they are given for works done by the Holy Spirit working through us in which they were pure and not flesh driven. Those crowns are given at the Judgment Seat of Christ to only believers. This is also called the Bema seat judgements because they are alikened to the rewards given after a race to those who finished. Those crowns are then thrown at Jesus Christ's feet at the coronation of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb because it is He and He alone who all honor and glory is due.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1162851


I disagree, we are not robots. We choose. God would not
have it any other way. He wants us to choose freely for
Him. Our love of Him would mean nothing if this weren't
true. Read the below and blessings, you are dear....Ac 11628..

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465764


Oh I forgot. You don't have the Holy Spirit within you and you have never felt what this was like.
Surely I choose to walk after the Spirit of God, A Choice but when the Holy Spirit is doing it through you after you are obedient to do the work it is unbelievable what happens and how things are supernaturally accomplished. It is wholesale different than things done in the flesh. It is not a tingly feeling. It is a power that you understand is not of yourself. But sadly you won't ever get to experience that until the Holy Spirit comes into you and you are baptized by Him at your salvation. Until that happens these things are just foreign to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1162851


Ac 11628..,

Don't be uspet with me, I am not arguing about the presence
of God the Holy Spirit in a person. I was trying to clarify
that false belief, it is God alone that does all the good
works through us. No, we cooperate with His grace and
choose to do a good work.

Let me paste again someone explaining it better than I can.
There's the Scripture to back it up if you're Bible Alone.

It will be a mystery until we die how God's grace and Him
not interfering with our free will choice to cooperate
with this grace...happens.

_ _+ +_ _+ +

"Some Protestants insist that it is the faith that does the work in us not we ourselves.


Faith (God's gift to man through His Word - Eph 2:8; Rom 10: 17) is a necessary motivation for us to obey but it does not make us obey. Man has a choice to resist or yield, therefore the obedience is our responsibility. It is our obedience in response to faith that brings justification (and Eternal Life). Justification then brings "perfect" or "complete" faith, the proof we have that Eternal Life (See John 3:36!). Further, Eternal Life is something we possess in degrees and that corresponds to how close we have grown to Christ. It is Eternal Life we are given not a promise of the eternal possession of that life. That Life, however, is so powerful that nothing in all the universe, but one's own self will and sin, can remove us from Christ's hand (Romans 8:35-39)."
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Such an avalanche of words and all empty, without a touch and understanding.

All what I see is misunderstanding. Our Master Jan Hus was fired in Constanz by Catholic church when schisma was the rule. The revolution followed. Now, I can see it again. Who to blame ?

U are only citing scriptures allowed. Have U ever read scriptures not allowed ?

The parallel of blind man led by another blind is known well.

Don't expect the return of Him with some space ship.
He is here and now and embodied as the Son of Man again.

Sure, Samarobrunn will land soon and only rares will be allowed to enter. All is written in the Book of the Names.
But only One on Earth is allowed to open it after the last "operation" is made.

So all your words are empty and be so kind and stop this silly topic just now.
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why did Christ wither the fig tree? because it didnt give fruit..
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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Op why was Cains offering not pleasing to God?
It was the work of his own hands.Cain couldn't please God by works and you can by supposedly keeping the Law?
Why was Abels offering pleasing to God?
Because Abel recognised his inability to work for Gods approval and that only the blood of an innocent lamb(Jesus)could appease God.

If Able had of added so much as a daisy to the Alter it would have been as unacceptable as Cains.

Ask yourself then how many daisys do you and your idolitrous papal(pagan) system add to Christ PERFECT attonement.

Oh and out of curiousity why are the ten commandments according to Rome different from those in Exodus?

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