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How did Jesus' death wash away our sins?

 
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How did Jesus' death wash away our sins?
I am actually being sincere here. I was raised in a Southern Babtist home and have read the bible a fair share of times, but I am at a total loss when it comes to understanding how Jesus dying on the cross translates into me being forgiven for my "sins".

And please don't just post scripture that just states it matter-of-factly as if I should ignore that we live in a world where things have to correlate.

So they torture him, place him on a cross, and then wait for him to die. He passes away, is reborn and then ascends to heaven. Now I get forgiven if I have impatient thoughts? How does that work? Did he die, go to heaven and flip on a breaker switch, resurrect on earth to check if it worked and then just strolled on back to heaven? What happened during his death that made our sins forgivable?

It's like a father bursting through the door and telling his son that cursing is now allowed in the house because he hit a deer on the way home. How in the world is it connected?
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I am actually being sincere here. I was raised in a Southern Babtist home and have read the bible a fair share of times, but I am at a total loss when it comes to understanding how Jesus dying on the cross translates into me being forgiven for my "sins".

And please don't just post scripture that just states it matter-of-factly as if I should ignore that we live in a world where things have to correlate.

So they torture him, place him on a cross, and then wait for him to die. He passes away, is reborn and then ascends to heaven. Now I get forgiven if I have impatient thoughts? How does that work? Did he die, go to heaven and flip on a breaker switch, resurrect on earth to check if it worked and then just strolled on back to heaven? What happened during his death that made our sins forgivable?

It's like a father bursting through the door and telling his son that cursing is now allowed in the house because he hit a deer on the way home. How in the world is it connected?
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I'll quote you:


"I don't even believe the stuff I say."


Why should anyone bother?
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Re: How did Jesus' death wash away our sins?
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Hope this helps

[link to www.allaboutfollowingjesus.org]
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I am actually being sincere here. I was raised in a Southern Babtist home and have read the bible a fair share of times, but I am at a total loss when it comes to understanding how Jesus dying on the cross translates into me being forgiven for my "sins".

And please don't just post scripture that just states it matter-of-factly as if I should ignore that we live in a world where things have to correlate.

So they torture him, place him on a cross, and then wait for him to die. He passes away, is reborn and then ascends to heaven. Now I get forgiven if I have impatient thoughts? How does that work? Did he die, go to heaven and flip on a breaker switch, resurrect on earth to check if it worked and then just strolled on back to heaven? What happened during his death that made our sins forgivable?

It's like a father bursting through the door and telling his son that cursing is now allowed in the house because he hit a deer on the way home. How in the world is it connected?
 Quoting: Scrodiddles




I'll quote you:


"I don't even believe the stuff I say."


Why should anyone bother?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371470


Well, because, if I have my doctrine correct, it is required of them to save me from my own ignorance.
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It did not. It says the page does not exist. Was that supposed to be ironic? Because you're hilarious if it was.
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I am actually being sincere here. I was raised in a Southern Babtist home and have read the bible a fair share of times, but I am at a total loss when it comes to understanding how Jesus dying on the cross translates into me being forgiven for my "sins".

And please don't just post scripture that just states it matter-of-factly as if I should ignore that we live in a world where things have to correlate.

So they torture him, place him on a cross, and then wait for him to die. He passes away, is reborn and then ascends to heaven. Now I get forgiven if I have impatient thoughts? How does that work? Did he die, go to heaven and flip on a breaker switch, resurrect on earth to check if it worked and then just strolled on back to heaven? What happened during his death that made our sins forgivable?

It's like a father bursting through the door and telling his son that cursing is now allowed in the house because he hit a deer on the way home. How in the world is it connected?
 Quoting: Scrodiddles


They might find a nicer way to say it, but the response you'll get will be something like:

"Because the bible says so, and the bible's right, because the bible says the bible is right. Now stop asking questions."
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It is a human sacrifice that God required. That's about all I can come up with. Of course it makes no sense whatsoever, but then again, neither does that book.
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It did not. It says the page does not exist. Was that supposed to be ironic? Because you're hilarious if it was.
 Quoting: Scrodiddles


[link to www.allaboutfollowingjesus.org]

Apparently evangelicals have a hard time with technology...
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Re: How did Jesus' death wash away our sins?
To answer your question for others;

That one man Adam fell to death the one man Christ rose from death.

The old covenant was full of sacrifice of animals for the forgiveness of sin, the Jews could not keep the covenant internally or in their heart.

The New Covenant is in the belief of that one that was killed for telling the Truth..Jesus Christ, his one death was a last sacrifice for all, and if one believes he is God's Son and he rose from the dead, eternal life is the result.
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I am actually being sincere here. I was raised in a Southern Babtist home and have read the bible a fair share of times, but I am at a total loss when it comes to understanding how Jesus dying on the cross translates into me being forgiven for my "sins".

And please don't just post scripture that just states it matter-of-factly as if I should ignore that we live in a world where things have to correlate.

So they torture him, place him on a cross, and then wait for him to die. He passes away, is reborn and then ascends to heaven. Now I get forgiven if I have impatient thoughts? How does that work? Did he die, go to heaven and flip on a breaker switch, resurrect on earth to check if it worked and then just strolled on back to heaven? What happened during his death that made our sins forgivable?

It's like a father bursting through the door and telling his son that cursing is now allowed in the house because he hit a deer on the way home. How in the world is it connected?
 Quoting: Scrodiddles


They might find a nicer way to say it, but the response you'll get will be something like:

"Because the bible says so, and the bible's right, because the bible says the bible is right. Now stop asking questions."
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Those are exactly the sort of circular reasoning answers I have been getting.
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It's like a father bursting through the door and telling his son that cursing is now allowed in the house because he hit a deer on the way home. How in the world is it connected?
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LOL I think the only possible answer to this is the same as what your father might say if this did happen in some bizzaro world - "Because I said so."
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Re: How did Jesus' death wash away our sins?
The Old Testament did not work out so we got the new
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Re: How did Jesus' death wash away our sins?
[link to www.gty.org]

If you want the answer.
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Re: How did Jesus' death wash away our sins?
To answer your question for others;

That one man Adam fell to death the one man Christ rose from death.

The old covenant was full of sacrifice of animals for the forgiveness of sin, the Jews could not keep the covenant internally or in their heart.

The New Covenant is in the belief of that one that was killed for telling the Truth..Jesus Christ, his one death was a last sacrifice for all, and if one believes he is God's Son and he rose from the dead, eternal life is the result.
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You really lost me there. I don't understand how the death or rising of individuals changes the rules of the after life. At that point it just seems like God changes his mind at will and people being sacrificed becomes pointless.
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Re: How did Jesus' death wash away our sins?
Good question OP... Deep question.

Perhaps his death released his seed. In a spiritual sense.

Consider the following passage...

John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

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Jesus' death on the cross opened Heaven, don't believe His great sacrifice for us washes away our sins.

Our Justification is past, present and future.
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[link to www.gty.org]

If you want the answer.
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If you need 7 pages to explain something that is supposed the be the cornerstone upon which your entire belief system is based, then it probably doesn't make sense to begin with.
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It did not. It says the page does not exist. Was that supposed to be ironic? Because you're hilarious if it was.
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[link to www.allaboutfollowingjesus.org]

Apparently evangelicals have a hard time with technology...
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I really appreciate the link, but, and I REALLY hope this doesn't surprise you, that was exactly the same sort of answer I have been getting since I was a teenager. It lacked any sort of explanation for how, exactly, Jesus' crucifixion translated into the entire world being able to be forgiven for their sins. What did his death actually change, aside from God's opinion of things?
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"Jesus" wasn't killed. Nor did he die for "our sins", because he ascended. Which is why he came in the first place; to teach ascension. (He + 12 magi) His ascension made it into the Bible, surprisingly; three days after his "murder". Except he didn't die...

The people that put the Bible together twisted the history of "Jesus" (Jeshua-12), the anti-Kryst (Jeshua-9), and one of their students (Arahabi). These stories were condensed into one person... It was the student who was killed.

Jeshua-12 taught ascension. He succeeded, but had to leave. It was Jeshua-9; who we get the "rumors" about the Holy Grail: descendants. It was 9 who married "Mary Magdalene". She was suppose to be 12's wife, but she was tampered with (genetically) by the FAs (fallen angels).

It's convenient for the ruling elite to twist these Biblical stories - making us think we're sinners to begin with - so they can harness control over us, and make us go to church, pay tithes, and be obedient to the government.

The real history is being brought back to the planet for the first time in over 13,000 years. Since 2000, this planet has successfully been able to anchor Krystos frequency. So in essence "Jesus" already came back. But the ruling would have the sheep "expecting to see the man in the clouds".

Secret space technology can manifest these visions through holographic technology, but these plans have yet to be given the GO.

I can't say more...

[typed too fast, no time]
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I am actually being sincere here. I was raised in a Southern Babtist home and have read the bible a fair share of times, but I am at a total loss when it comes to understanding how Jesus dying on the cross translates into me being forgiven for my "sins".

And please don't just post scripture that just states it matter-of-factly as if I should ignore that we live in a world where things have to correlate.

So they torture him, place him on a cross, and then wait for him to die. He passes away, is reborn and then ascends to heaven. Now I get forgiven if I have impatient thoughts? How does that work? Did he die, go to heaven and flip on a breaker switch, resurrect on earth to check if it worked and then just strolled on back to heaven? What happened during his death that made our sins forgivable?

It's like a father bursting through the door and telling his son that cursing is now allowed in the house because he hit a deer on the way home. How in the world is it connected?
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Well, you know how one can be a better judge of things if thye experience things themselves? It's like that. Jesus, a man who basically is God, can closely "appreciate" the human condition and idiosyncrasies and identify them well enough so that he can remove them. He's more surgeon than judge, cutting away the guilt and shame each person has repressed, hidden and denied over the years to become hypocrites. But as he cuts away it's often thought of like washing away, and this is done on judgement day, so he's not thought of as a surgeon. But, being that he was once a human being makes him better able to spot and cut out what people ignore.
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To answer your question for others;

That one man Adam fell to death the one man Christ rose from death.

The old covenant was full of sacrifice of animals for the forgiveness of sin, the Jews could not keep the covenant internally or in their heart.

The New Covenant is in the belief of that one that was killed for telling the Truth..Jesus Christ, his one death was a last sacrifice for all, and if one believes he is God's Son and he rose from the dead, eternal life is the result.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371470



You really lost me there. I don't understand how the death or rising of individuals changes the rules of the after life. At that point it just seems like God changes his mind at will and people being sacrificed becomes pointless.
 Quoting: Scrodiddles


It sounds to me like you understand christianity better than most christians. That's not sarcasm either. Your typical christian only cares about whatever part of the bible that their pastor tells them to care about (such as gay's are bad, and tithing is good). Taken as a whole, the bible is actually just a bunch of self-contradictory rambling.
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It didn't!!!

Satan loves you more than Jesus!



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heres a wacked idea for you, that makes total sense to me:

God did not require Jesus to die on the cross. The people required it. They did not feel worthy of talking to God, or worshipping him etc, which is why the did a lot of sacrificing etc. Jesus was like teh ultimate sacrifice. Someone else worded it a lot better on here, it was here i heard the idea originally.
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It didn't!!!

Satan loves you more than Jesus!


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Enjoy being Metatron-icked... ;)
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Jesus, did NOT DIE for anyone's sins. Your are responsible for everything you do. People who think he died for your sins are misinformed.
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"Jesus" wasn't killed. Nor did he die for "our sins", because he ascended. Which is why he came in the first place; to teach ascension. (He + 12 magi) His ascension made it into the Bible, surprisingly; three days after his "murder". Except he didn't die...

The people that put the Bible together twisted the history of "Jesus" (Jeshua-12), the anti-Kryst (Jeshua-9), and one of their students (Arahabi). These stories were condensed into one person... It was the student who was killed.

Jeshua-12 taught ascension. He succeeded, but had to leave. It was Jeshua-9; who we get the "rumors" about the Holy Grail: descendants. It was 9 who married "Mary Magdalene". She was suppose to be 12's wife, but she was tampered with (genetically) by the FAs (fallen angels).

It's convenient for the ruling elite to twist these Biblical stories - making us think we're sinners to begin with - so they can harness control over us, and make us go to church, pay tithes, and be obedient to the government.

The real history is being brought back to the planet for the first time in over 13,000 years. Since 2000, this planet has successfully been able to anchor Krystos frequency. So in essence "Jesus" already came back. But the ruling would have the sheep "expecting to see the man in the clouds".

Secret space technology can manifest these visions through holographic technology, but these plans have yet to be given the GO.

I can't say more...

[typed too fast, no time]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1454000



I would regard myself as more spiritual than religious and my experience has lead me to believe something more along the lines of what you wrote than anything else. I believe that we are each capable of what Jesus did: "All these things that I do, you will do and more".

So, it seems that what Jesus taught was spot on. It just appears that the religion and idea of "God's only son" is where the madness begins.
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This should clear it up.

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"Jesus" wasn't killed. Nor did he die for "our sins", because he ascended. Which is why he came in the first place; to teach ascension. (He + 12 magi) His ascension made it into the Bible, surprisingly; three days after his "murder". Except he didn't die...

The people that put the Bible together twisted the history of "Jesus" (Jeshua-12), the anti-Kryst (Jeshua-9), and one of their students (Arahabi). These stories were condensed into one person... It was the student who was killed.

Jeshua-12 taught ascension. He succeeded, but had to leave. It was Jeshua-9; who we get the "rumors" about the Holy Grail: descendants. It was 9 who married "Mary Magdalene". She was suppose to be 12's wife, but she was tampered with (genetically) by the FAs (fallen angels).

It's convenient for the ruling elite to twist these Biblical stories - making us think we're sinners to begin with - so they can harness control over us, and make us go to church, pay tithes, and be obedient to the government.

The real history is being brought back to the planet for the first time in over 13,000 years. Since 2000, this planet has successfully been able to anchor Krystos frequency. So in essence "Jesus" already came back. But the ruling would have the sheep "expecting to see the man in the clouds".

Secret space technology can manifest these visions through holographic technology, but these plans have yet to be given the GO.

I can't say more...

[typed too fast, no time]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1454000



The world actually makes a whole lot more sense when you just toss this and any other religious nonsense in the trash where it belongs.
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Re: How did Jesus' death wash away our sins?
A God or god of course can set up any kind of system he wants for this planet, but the evidence I've found is that there is no such system of having one's sins washed away by simply believing it. It doesn't exist. Instead there are spiritual laws that in place that automatically work so that you reap what you sow, either in this life or in the afterlife. You make amends to the ones you wronged either in this life or in the next. The things that religion often holds out as 'sins' are not necessarily the same sins that are recognized by spiritual law as such.
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First, I want to say... you need to be in a bible based church. The Southern Baptist church is a denominational church and was started by a freemason! Beware denominations, YES Satan is really that powerful.

His death was a purchase for the pardoning of our sins. The debt was paid to God like if you owed someone money. Jesus made sure mankind would be saved and given a chance to move forward. We are now under a new Covenant that Jesus gave us(The New Testament)

In the past, God would have flooded the earth like he did in Noahs day. But, this time it could have been FOREVER!

This shows you God is patient! He sent his son WHOM WAS TORTURED and went through things he didnt have to just so we could have a chance to prove ourselves and enter his Kingdom one day.

Jesus is the ultimate HERO!

Its sad how people just waste their lives on this earth after hearing how much Jesus Christ sacrificed.
Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed." John 6:27-58

You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
-James 4:4

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
-Galatians 6:7

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
-Colossians 2:8

Rev 13:9-10 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; (Betraying your family and friends) he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. (Guns!) Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

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