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*HOW TO GET OUT OF YOUR BODY AT ANY TIME*

 
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"Again, you are speaking of your belief...not your experience."

Assumption is also a disease.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


And you'd be guilty of that one too.
 Quoting: ajk


Ditto.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


I think I know a bit more about God than you do. You get your information about God from a book. I on the other hand use common sense. You are so brainwashed you can't even see it.
 Quoting: ajk


I see that you must have astral projected into my life and seen how I live and what kind of person I am?

I have not judged you, so please don't judge me. You have no idea of my life or how I choose to live it and my faith. Go in peace.
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I realize there a number of individuals present who don't recognize the authority of Scripture and the Holy Bible, much less a Judeo-Christian God. No one in Christendom is qualified to judge the heart of another, much less condemn those who may be lost. This judgment is reserved for God, and God alone. We are called to love one another in Christ Jesus, just as he first loved us.

That being said, some of you have inquired about whether the Bible itself views astral projection as sinful, or wrong in the eyes of God. For those who know, are known by, or wish to know Christ, I humbly offer the following words for your consideration:

"And he carried me in spirit onto a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, holy Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God,..." (Rev. 21:10).

Please take notice that in Biblical texts, God does the work of carrying our spirits away from the physical plane. This is opposite to occultic astral travel in which a practitioner "seeks" for the desire of their own motives. They have no need for God or even petitioning God's approval to enter the spiritual realm.

Sin is defined by God's law (see Old Testament and the Pentateuch, first 5 books of OT). Law is the knowledge of good and evil. Seeking the forbidden fruit of knowledge (analogous to entering the astral realm on our OWN terms, not those of God), is the original sin of mankind committed by Adam and Eve. They picked from the fruit of knowledge when God warned them not to.

The mere evidence for such a thing to exist, such as astral projection, does not authenticate its beneficial qualities. Jesus himself said, "Everything is permissible for me, but not everything is helpful."

Before you presume to judge my credentials or integrity rather than the words themselves, please know I too have experimented with astral projection. I am intimately familiar with how real and tempting it is. My vulnerability to spiritual attack greatly increased after participating in these activities.

I only share these words as a loving warning to those who care to receive them. I don't lay claim to be an authority, for all authority is given to Jesus.
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Again, you are speaking of your belief...not your experience. And, I'm sure you think everyone else is wrong, but your belief is right. Righteousness is a disease.
 Quoting: SickScent


"Again, you are speaking of your belief...not your experience."

Assumption is also a disease.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


So, my assumption is that you never left your body. Have you? You claim that if you do, the demons will possess you. So, which is it. There is assumption, and there is logical reasoning in what you have written. Tell me where I have assumed, and that I have assumed wrongly.

I will never believe in a God, that sends good men, holy men, of piece and love, into eternal damnation, merely for the fact of not believing in said God. Gandhi, Buddha, and countless others.

Tell me, where has your God sent these incredible souls. Tell me, what happens when a young infant dies, without first being blessed in your waters. Tell me where your God sends them. Do not quote scripture, or fill your reply with platitudes. All I want to know, is where you think, where you believe your God sent them.
 Quoting: SickScent


Infants go to God.

As for Gandhi etc. that is between them and God.

Well, it's 2:30 in the morning here and I'm off (for the last time :)) to bed. It's been nice sparring with you.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


Why do infants go to God? They are born with original sin, are they not? Oh, the rules change since there must be compassion showed by your God.

So, at what age does a human go to hell when he dies without asking forgiveness for original sin? 2 hours after birth? 2 weeks? 2 months? years? When is it?

FFS, you are scared to answer such a simple question. You know the history of Gandhi, don't you?
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Sorry I don't have time to read the thread.
I used to try that method minus the spiritual seperation, in the form of relaxation, ot goto sleep sometimes

Dying also works.
Take it from one who's been out there for real, its an escape, but the farther you go, the less material everything is, and way out beyond, spirits are fleeting and immaterial, and thus a cheap expendable form of life, it's lawless chaos, without rules, because the spirit just re-materializes in a different way/shape/form indefinately.

But the pain and suffering lingers, and all the trips must come up into your waking mind. So if something or someone fucks you up out there, its not pretty.

Its like a transitional dimension of spiritual planes between The Universe and the afterlife.

Needless to hasten the inevitible.
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"Again, you are speaking of your belief...not your experience."

Assumption is also a disease.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


So, my assumption is that you never left your body. Have you? You claim that if you do, the demons will possess you. So, which is it. There is assumption, and there is logical reasoning in what you have written. Tell me where I have assumed, and that I have assumed wrongly.

I will never believe in a God, that sends good men, holy men, of piece and love, into eternal damnation, merely for the fact of not believing in said God. Gandhi, Buddha, and countless others.

Tell me, where has your God sent these incredible souls. Tell me, what happens when a young infant dies, without first being blessed in your waters. Tell me where your God sends them. Do not quote scripture, or fill your reply with platitudes. All I want to know, is where you think, where you believe your God sent them.
 Quoting: SickScent


Infants go to God.

As for Gandhi etc. that is between them and God.

Well, it's 2:30 in the morning here and I'm off (for the last time :)) to bed. It's been nice sparring with you.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


Why do infants go to God? They are born with original sin, are they not? Oh, the rules change since there must be compassion showed by your God.

So, at what age does a human go to hell when he dies without asking forgiveness for original sin? 2 hours after birth? 2 weeks? 2 months? years? When is it?

FFS, you are scared to answer such a simple question.
 Quoting: SickScent


I would like to answer you but I really am leaving now and in any case I can see that no matter how I answer, you are trying to bait me so that you can laugh and scoff if I answer in a way that might seem unsatisfactory to you. No matter. If you really, truly want answers, you will search for them with an open heart and find them...and not do what you're doing now. Good night.
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I apologize for being so...so abrupt, Copernicus Oblong. To say your God is a loving God, but only if you ask his forgiveness, is dysfunctional in my opinion. I know you have your beliefs, and I do respect them. I just cannot wrap my mind around how people can possibly think it is a loving God. He seems to only love his followers, and screw - eternally no less - peaceful, loving souls, just because they do not believe in this particular version of God.

I am not trying to bait you, I just want to understand why people would believe in this God as a loving God. I am very confused as why people would believe in such things.
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And you'd be guilty of that one too.
 Quoting: ajk


Ditto.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


I think I know a bit more about God than you do. You get your information about God from a book. I on the other hand use common sense. You are so brainwashed you can't even see it.
 Quoting: ajk


I see that you must have astral projected into my life and seen how I live and what kind of person I am?

I have not judged you, so please don't judge me. You have no idea of my life or how I choose to live it and my faith. Go in peace.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


No I don't you're right, but I got an idea of what you believe, and I stand by my comment from that basis. It's evident to me that the Bible has some makeup in what you believe when it comes to God. If I'm wrong feel free to correct me, but where else would you get these ideas from?
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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"Again, you are speaking of your belief...not your experience."

Assumption is also a disease.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


So, my assumption is that you never left your body. Have you? You claim that if you do, the demons will possess you. So, which is it. There is assumption, and there is logical reasoning in what you have written. Tell me where I have assumed, and that I have assumed wrongly.

I will never believe in a God, that sends good men, holy men, of piece and love, into eternal damnation, merely for the fact of not believing in said God. Gandhi, Buddha, and countless others.

Tell me, where has your God sent these incredible souls. Tell me, what happens when a young infant dies, without first being blessed in your waters. Tell me where your God sends them. Do not quote scripture, or fill your reply with platitudes. All I want to know, is where you think, where you believe your God sent them.
 Quoting: SickScent


Infants go to God.

As for Gandhi etc. that is between them and God.

Well, it's 2:30 in the morning here and I'm off (for the last time :)) to bed. It's been nice sparring with you.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


Why do infants go to God? They are born with original sin, are they not? Oh, the rules change since there must be compassion showed by your God.

So, at what age does a human go to hell when he dies without asking forgiveness for original sin? 2 hours after birth? 2 weeks? 2 months? years? When is it?

FFS, you are scared to answer such a simple question. You know the history of Gandhi, don't you?
 Quoting: SickScent



Simple answer to a simple question about why infants to to God in the face of original sin:


Christians believe that Old Testament saints, or those who were considered faithful to God, were saved although they did not have a full knowledge of the salvation act.

The salvation act of grace and reconciliation as fulfilled by Jesus was an act of promise by God for both the living (and future generations) and the dead who have perished, including former generations. Grace is what is given when we don't have all the facts and wisdom given to us by God. This is especially true for little children. Scripture clearly states that John was filled with the holy spirit, even in his mother's womb. (Luke 1:15).
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I apologize for being so...so abrupt, Copernicus Oblong. To say your God is a loving God, but only if you ask his forgiveness, is dysfunctional in my opinion. I know you have your beliefs, and I do respect them. I just cannot wrap my mind around how people can possibly think it is a loving God. He seems to only love his followers, and screw - eternally no less - peaceful, loving souls, just because they do not believe in this particular version of God.

I am not trying to bait you, I just want to understand why people would believe in this God as a loving God. I am very confused as why people would believe in such things.
 Quoting: SickScent


I can say why at least in part, it's because they are taught that if they go away from what they're told God will get them too. The whole thing reigns by fear.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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So, my assumption is that you never left your body. Have you? You claim that if you do, the demons will possess you. So, which is it. There is assumption, and there is logical reasoning in what you have written. Tell me where I have assumed, and that I have assumed wrongly.

I will never believe in a God, that sends good men, holy men, of piece and love, into eternal damnation, merely for the fact of not believing in said God. Gandhi, Buddha, and countless others.

Tell me, where has your God sent these incredible souls. Tell me, what happens when a young infant dies, without first being blessed in your waters. Tell me where your God sends them. Do not quote scripture, or fill your reply with platitudes. All I want to know, is where you think, where you believe your God sent them.
 Quoting: SickScent


Infants go to God.

As for Gandhi etc. that is between them and God.

Well, it's 2:30 in the morning here and I'm off (for the last time :)) to bed. It's been nice sparring with you.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


Why do infants go to God? They are born with original sin, are they not? Oh, the rules change since there must be compassion showed by your God.

So, at what age does a human go to hell when he dies without asking forgiveness for original sin? 2 hours after birth? 2 weeks? 2 months? years? When is it?

FFS, you are scared to answer such a simple question. You know the history of Gandhi, don't you?
 Quoting: SickScent



Simple answer to a simple question about why infants to to God in the face of original sin:


Christians believe that Old Testament saints, or those who were considered faithful to God, were saved although they did not have a full knowledge of the salvation act.

The salvation act of grace and reconciliation as fulfilled by Jesus was an act of promise by God for both the living (and future generations) and the dead who have perished, including former generations. Grace is what is given when we don't have all the facts and wisdom given to us by God. This is especially true for little children. Scripture clearly states that John was filled with the holy spirit, even in his mother's womb. (Luke 1:15).
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Thank you AC. But, of course, there is no guideline as to what age, or mental accomplishment, someone can live to, with the promise of being Graced, right?

Or are there specifics?

You know what, nevermind. I shouldn't have gotten in to the religious component. I am trying to stay away from it.
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Ditto.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


I think I know a bit more about God than you do. You get your information about God from a book. I on the other hand use common sense. You are so brainwashed you can't even see it.
 Quoting: ajk


I see that you must have astral projected into my life and seen how I live and what kind of person I am?

I have not judged you, so please don't judge me. You have no idea of my life or how I choose to live it and my faith. Go in peace.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


No I don't you're right, but I got an idea of what you believe, and I stand by my comment from that basis. It's evident to me that the Bible has some makeup in what you believe when it comes to God. If I'm wrong feel free to correct me, but where else would you get these ideas from?
 Quoting: ajk


Songs of innocence and experience.

Have to leave now, sorry.
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I apologize for being so...so abrupt, Copernicus Oblong. To say your God is a loving God, but only if you ask his forgiveness, is dysfunctional in my opinion. I know you have your beliefs, and I do respect them. I just cannot wrap my mind around how people can possibly think it is a loving God. He seems to only love his followers, and screw - eternally no less - peaceful, loving souls, just because they do not believe in this particular version of God.

I am not trying to bait you, I just want to understand why people would believe in this God as a loving God. I am very confused as why people would believe in such things.
 Quoting: SickScent


I can say why at least in part, it's because they are taught that if they go away from what they're told God will get them too. The whole thing reigns by fear.
 Quoting: ajk


Yes, I know that to be Truth.
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I apologize for being so...so abrupt, Copernicus Oblong. To say your God is a loving God, but only if you ask his forgiveness, is dysfunctional in my opinion. I know you have your beliefs, and I do respect them. I just cannot wrap my mind around how people can possibly think it is a loving God. He seems to only love his followers, and screw - eternally no less - peaceful, loving souls, just because they do not believe in this particular version of God.

I am not trying to bait you, I just want to understand why people would believe in this God as a loving God. I am very confused as why people would believe in such things.
 Quoting: SickScent


I can say why at least in part, it's because they are taught that if they go away from what they're told God will get them too. The whole thing reigns by fear.
 Quoting: ajk



Yes, man has taught a false doctrine about what it means to fear God.

Psalm 19:9 -- The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true; they are righteous altogether.

To fear God is to fear God's holiness, perfection, and perfect claim to justice and fairness. We fear what we are missing without God's loving grace. To fear God is to fear sovereignty over our lives.

Much of today's false doctrine preaches a fear of punishment by God, "getting caught" so to speak with our hand in the cookie jar. That would make us no better than a thief trying to get away from a hidden crime. This is not a holy fear of God.
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Sickscent,

It's all good. :)
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I apologize for being so...so abrupt, Copernicus Oblong. To say your God is a loving God, but only if you ask his forgiveness, is dysfunctional in my opinion. I know you have your beliefs, and I do respect them. I just cannot wrap my mind around how people can possibly think it is a loving God. He seems to only love his followers, and screw - eternally no less - peaceful, loving souls, just because they do not believe in this particular version of God.

I am not trying to bait you, I just want to understand why people would believe in this God as a loving God. I am very confused as why people would believe in such things.
 Quoting: SickScent


I can say why at least in part, it's because they are taught that if they go away from what they're told God will get them too. The whole thing reigns by fear.
 Quoting: ajk



Yes, man has taught a false doctrine about what it means to fear God.

Psalm 19:9 -- The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true; they are righteous altogether.

To fear God is to fear God's holiness, perfection, and perfect claim to justice and fairness. We fear what we are missing without God's loving grace. To fear God is to fear sovereignty over our lives.

Much of today's false doctrine preaches a fear of punishment by God, "getting caught" so to speak with our hand in the cookie jar. That would make us no better than a thief trying to get away from a hidden crime. This is not a holy fear of God.
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I would disagree, I think man has taught a false doctrine that fear=love. That just isn't the case, the two are mutually opposed from each other.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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I apologize for being so...so abrupt, Copernicus Oblong. To say your God is a loving God, but only if you ask his forgiveness, is dysfunctional in my opinion. I know you have your beliefs, and I do respect them. I just cannot wrap my mind around how people can possibly think it is a loving God. He seems to only love his followers, and screw - eternally no less - peaceful, loving souls, just because they do not believe in this particular version of God.

I am not trying to bait you, I just want to understand why people would believe in this God as a loving God. I am very confused as why people would believe in such things.
 Quoting: SickScent


It's no problem, really. I can see that you have a lot of questions and I find it encouraging that you do. It would take ages for me to start explaining how people come to believe this (and like I said, I REEEALLY need to resume my failed mission of getting to bed right now).

For myself I can only say that I experienced it. I didn't have a book that told me so (contrary to ajk's stipulations). I found out of my very own accord.

Right now I can only encourage you to keep that hunger for knowledge going and actually go out there and find the answers to those questions because there is no way that you'll believe it until you've experienced that love and grace yourself.

Now, for the *hopefully* final time, good night.
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I apologize for being so...so abrupt, Copernicus Oblong. To say your God is a loving God, but only if you ask his forgiveness, is dysfunctional in my opinion. I know you have your beliefs, and I do respect them. I just cannot wrap my mind around how people can possibly think it is a loving God. He seems to only love his followers, and screw - eternally no less - peaceful, loving souls, just because they do not believe in this particular version of God.

I am not trying to bait you, I just want to understand why people would believe in this God as a loving God. I am very confused as why people would believe in such things.
 Quoting: SickScent


It's no problem, really. I can see that you have a lot of questions and I find it encouraging that you do. It would take ages for me to start explaining how people come to believe this (and like I said, I REEEALLY need to resume my failed mission of getting to bed right now).

For myself I can only say that I experienced it. I didn't have a book that told me so (contrary to ajk's stipulations). I found out of my very own accord.

Right now I can only encourage you to keep that hunger for knowledge going and actually go out there and find the answers to those questions because there is no way that you'll believe it until you've experienced that love and grace yourself.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


How much does love and grace have to do with any religion though? I don't think God is so limited that his love and grace only goes so far.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Not saying I don’t believe OP but any time travel is a trick of impossibility.

They must have used that on the folks at the Philly experiment since they experienced what they said but time travel is impossible.

I believe but the parallel bit is an illusion.



I believe the whole remote viewing / OBE thing since I was shown it with the technical mean.

It finished before it started......... from horizontal position I was pulled diagonally vertical then put back instantly.

So I believe it... would have believed it anyway.

(It feels like you being pulled but obviously your body didn’t go anywhere etc)
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I apologize for being so...so abrupt, Copernicus Oblong. To say your God is a loving God, but only if you ask his forgiveness, is dysfunctional in my opinion. I know you have your beliefs, and I do respect them. I just cannot wrap my mind around how people can possibly think it is a loving God. He seems to only love his followers, and screw - eternally no less - peaceful, loving souls, just because they do not believe in this particular version of God.

I am not trying to bait you, I just want to understand why people would believe in this God as a loving God. I am very confused as why people would believe in such things.
 Quoting: SickScent


It's no problem, really. I can see that you have a lot of questions and I find it encouraging that you do. It would take ages for me to start explaining how people come to believe this (and like I said, I REEEALLY need to resume my failed mission of getting to bed right now).

For myself I can only say that I experienced it. I didn't have a book that told me so (contrary to ajk's stipulations). I found out of my very own accord.

Right now I can only encourage you to keep that hunger for knowledge going and actually go out there and find the answers to those questions because there is no way that you'll believe it until you've experienced that love and grace yourself.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


How much does love and grace have to do with any religion though? I don't think God is so limited that his love and grace only goes so far.
 Quoting: ajk


God's love and his grace have got nothing to do with religion. They have everything to do with a personal relationship between that person and him.
No priests, no vestments, no "holy" idols, no white magic mass rituals in a cold, dead building will bring anyone closer to God.
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I apologize for being so...so abrupt, Copernicus Oblong. To say your God is a loving God, but only if you ask his forgiveness, is dysfunctional in my opinion. I know you have your beliefs, and I do respect them. I just cannot wrap my mind around how people can possibly think it is a loving God. He seems to only love his followers, and screw - eternally no less - peaceful, loving souls, just because they do not believe in this particular version of God.

I am not trying to bait you, I just want to understand why people would believe in this God as a loving God. I am very confused as why people would believe in such things.
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It's no problem, really. I can see that you have a lot of questions and I find it encouraging that you do. It would take ages for me to start explaining how people come to believe this (and like I said, I REEEALLY need to resume my failed mission of getting to bed right now).

For myself I can only say that I experienced it. I didn't have a book that told me so (contrary to ajk's stipulations). I found out of my very own accord.

Right now I can only encourage you to keep that hunger for knowledge going and actually go out there and find the answers to those questions because there is no way that you'll believe it until you've experienced that love and grace yourself.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


How much does love and grace have to do with any religion though? I don't think God is so limited that his love and grace only goes so far.
 Quoting: ajk


God's love and his grace have got nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with a personal relationship between that person and him.
No priests, no vestments, no "holy" idols, no white magic mass rituals in cold, dead building will bring anyone closer to God.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


Ok, but then if a relationship is personal, how one worships should not matter now should it? If it's personal how can anyone say only their path is right and no one elses' are?
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Freemasons are of course evil Satanists who shoot up Norway.
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It's no problem, really. I can see that you have a lot of questions and I find it encouraging that you do. It would take ages for me to start explaining how people come to believe this (and like I said, I REEEALLY need to resume my failed mission of getting to bed right now).

For myself I can only say that I experienced it. I didn't have a book that told me so (contrary to ajk's stipulations). I found out of my very own accord.

Right now I can only encourage you to keep that hunger for knowledge going and actually go out there and find the answers to those questions because there is no way that you'll believe it until you've experienced that love and grace yourself.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


How much does love and grace have to do with any religion though? I don't think God is so limited that his love and grace only goes so far.
 Quoting: ajk


God's love and his grace have got nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with a personal relationship between that person and him.
No priests, no vestments, no "holy" idols, no white magic mass rituals in cold, dead building will bring anyone closer to God.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


Ok, but then if a relationship is personal, how one worships should not matter now should it? If it's personal how can anyone say only their path is right and no one elses' are?
 Quoting: ajk


If you're trying to ask me in a round about way if Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven then my answer is yes.
Many roads may lead to Rome but there is only one absolute Truth. Whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you.

I am now *off*
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You tards have quite the imaginations...
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First time was the hardest for me. Like I would get to the threshold of breakthrough and my mind would freak the fuck out and pull me back.
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I am sure someone has mentioned this in this thread by now, but just in case.

It is important that you keep your first several OBE's extremely short. One easy way to test if your out of body (sometimes it can be so vivid it's hard to tell), is to look at your own hands. If they appear to melt or are deformed because they do not hold their shape long then you are out of body. Immediately start shouting that your hands melted and dive into your body. The reason for this is that the shorter your OBE the easier it is to learn to remember them. It is very natural for all of us to ignore the memory and it's never transferred into the conscious brain.

Also do NOT set a time limit for each night or day to attempt this. Saying to yourself "i'm going to give this an hour" or "i'm going to try this everyday for a month" is a mistake. You will just feel pressured, and it takes time to learn to bypass your subconscious mind's control over what it has been controlling for your entire life. For some people it can happen their first attempt, others it takes years. But people learn that persistence pays off and it is possible for EVERYONE to leave their body.

We all have OBE's every single night when we are dreaming, floating just a few inches above our bodies to do god knows what. Perhaps to gather energy, perhaps to heal, perhaps because it is like relaxing for us 100%, we are spiritual beings and it may be that when we are fully relaxed we release from the physical.

It is also a good idea to learn not to think about the physical body as YOU at any point during the OBE. The moment you think of the body as being you, or just thinking about the physical body at all, you are sucked back into it. If you are far from the body it is easier to think about it and not be sucked back in.

It is important to note that no one, absolutely no one, remembers every OBE they have. Just because you haven't had success for awhile or at all doesn't mean you haven't been having them. It is not natural while being alive for those of us who are not gifted with this at a young age, for those memories to be transferred, so it is a conscious effort to have them do so.

There are many techniques to leave the body, such as some involving waking up while out of body, others involve trickery of the mind like reaching out to grab a mentally swinging ball and letting it pull you out of body. In my opinion the conscious-exit OBE's are the most profound, as you experience every moment of separation and there is no doubt in your mind that it can be anything but real and not some hallucinations or dream.

I personally have found that meditating on my self-awareness/spatial awareness/conscious thought of self, helps you to control your out of body state easier. Spend as little as 10 minutes a day just concentrating on the space around you, or individual parts of your body like your pinky toe. Become aware of how every individual part of your body feels. And then when you attempt to relax enough for the vibrations for a OBE to come about it is easier to relax each part of your body without much effort to even think about it.

Anyway this is a long message, that's enough for now. I never read other people's wall of text.
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How much does love and grace have to do with any religion though? I don't think God is so limited that his love and grace only goes so far.
 Quoting: ajk


God's love and his grace have got nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with a personal relationship between that person and him.
No priests, no vestments, no "holy" idols, no white magic mass rituals in cold, dead building will bring anyone closer to God.
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


Ok, but then if a relationship is personal, how one worships should not matter now should it? If it's personal how can anyone say only their path is right and no one elses' are?
 Quoting: ajk


If you're trying to ask me in a round about way if Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven then my answer is yes.
Many roads may lead to Rome but there is only one absolute Truth. Whether you choose to believe that or not is up to you.

I am now *off*
 Quoting: Copernicus Oblong


That contradicts it being a personal relationship. You can't say "Oh it's a personal relationship" and then follow that up and say: "But only this way is the right way to it."

(buzz) Sorry that doesn't work, try again.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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1.Lay on a bed and don't move.
2.Close your eyes.
3.Make sure there is no sound around you and no one
disturbing you.
4.Think about you detaching your spirit from your body.
5.Think that your body is only a physical object and
you are the spirit.

BE RELAXED! Don't MOVE. Don't FORCE ANYTHING.
DO EVERYTHING MENTALLY.

6.Start detaching your toes.
7.Start detaching your hands.
8.Start detaching your head.
8.You will start feeling numb. You won't feel your body
anymore after a while.

9.Don't get out of this state...keep trying to detach yourself.

10.Think about you being ready to detach from your body.
11.Think about you looking at your body from above 5-10 feets.

12.Now think about you getting out of your body.
Stay in this state for quite a long time.
After doing this for atleast one month, once every week. You will be able to get out easily after. It might take more time in the beginning depending on your spirit state.

13.You got out of your body. Now what? Always plan your trip before going out of your body next time.


Here's a list of stuff you can do:

1.See what your friends are doing.
All you need to do is think about a friend
you will directly be teleported to them.


2.Explore the earth and the universe
Yes, you can explore the earth and other planets and universes.
Make sure you don't go too far, I will explain why later.

3.See different versions of yourself in different parrarel universes.
Not sure if you can access information about how
your different versions became what they are now...But you can still see what they became and maybe even how they became that.

You can even do more things...I am not sure of everything you can do..I haven't practiced enough yet.


Now, How to get back to your body?
Simple, Just get back...Think about your body...Think about
yourself in the physical world.

There is a cord attached to your spirit and your body.
This cord is to make sure that you don't have to find
your body by yourself to get back to it in case you explore other universes.
This cord can extend infinitly.


Cord Description:
1.Prevent other entities from entering your body.
Because this body is linked to your spirit.
2.Send information to the spirit and Receive information from the spirit.
3.Make sure you never get lost.

Don't be scared about not going back into your body.
Only people who don't know about this don't know how to get back. As I said, don't go to far in the beginning. Start praticing and with time, You will be able to do everything without worying.

Have fun!
 Quoting: MasterMaster


op=fail

there's much easier way

suicide
out
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Only if you never want to come back into your body.
 Quoting: MasterMaster


OP--- U won't be stuck out unless u have a artery disease, or high blood pressure, than yes u would die or have a silent heart attack,
The average person trying this WILL NOT GET STUCK, get that thought out of ur mind. I have done this over dozens and dozens of times. ITS ONLY IF YOU PANIC.
and no one else can enter your soul.
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1.Lay on a bed and don't move.
2.Close your eyes.
3.Make sure there is no sound around you and no one
disturbing you.
4.Think about you detaching your spirit from your body.
5.Think that your body is only a physical object and
you are the spirit.

BE RELAXED! Don't MOVE. Don't FORCE ANYTHING.
DO EVERYTHING MENTALLY.

6.Start detaching your toes.
7.Start detaching your hands.
8.Start detaching your head.
8.You will start feeling numb. You won't feel your body
anymore after a while.

9.Don't get out of this state...keep trying to detach yourself.

10.Think about you being ready to detach from your body.
11.Think about you looking at your body from above 5-10 feets.

12.Now think about you getting out of your body.
Stay in this state for quite a long time.
After doing this for atleast one month, once every week. You will be able to get out easily after. It might take more time in the beginning depending on your spirit state.

13.You got out of your body. Now what? Always plan your trip before going out of your body next time.


Here's a list of stuff you can do:

1.See what your friends are doing.
All you need to do is think about a friend
you will directly be teleported to them.


2.Explore the earth and the universe
Yes, you can explore the earth and other planets and universes.
Make sure you don't go too far, I will explain why later.

3.See different versions of yourself in different parrarel universes.
Not sure if you can access information about how
your different versions became what they are now...But you can still see what they became and maybe even how they became that.

You can even do more things...I am not sure of everything you can do..I haven't practiced enough yet.


Now, How to get back to your body?
Simple, Just get back...Think about your body...Think about
yourself in the physical world.

There is a cord attached to your spirit and your body.
This cord is to make sure that you don't have to find
your body by yourself to get back to it in case you explore other universes.
This cord can extend infinitly.


Cord Description:
1.Prevent other entities from entering your body.
Because this body is linked to your spirit.
2.Send information to the spirit and Receive information from the spirit.
3.Make sure you never get lost.

Don't be scared about not going back into your body.
Only people who don't know about this don't know how to get back. As I said, don't go to far in the beginning. Start praticing and with time, You will be able to do everything without worying.

Have fun!
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crazyjak step away from the computer...don't hurt yourself
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Ive left my body twice. Each time was preceded by a full body buzz and lucid hallucinatons.
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lol at the shills

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