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IS THE SUPER CONGRESS EVEN CONSTITUTIONAL?

 
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Relax comrade. Super Congress, 10 governors-all is well. Move along.
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I just don't get it. Do they think we are stupid and no one is going to notice. Watch the lawsuits fly when this happens.
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the lawsuits have been flying about just about everything since Jan 2009 ... but nothing has changed... so, yes they do think we are stupid and wont notice, or wont do anything
I know a thing or two, because I've seen a thing or two.
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Relax comrade. Super Congress, 10 governors-all is well. Move along.
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If both sides won't agree to a debt deal they sure as HELL won't agree to a "Super-Congress", lol
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This is a Marxist takeover.

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Push is coming to shove.
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If I understand it correctly, this super congress will be so far from constitutional that it will make the constitution completely and wholly irrelevant.

What the super congress will be granted is the power to bypass both the house and the senate in enacting emergency legislations. This usurps the powers of a legislative branch traditionally representational of the people and the states, and broadens the growing chasm between the judicial and executive branches, weakening the judicial and strengthening the executive.

It will in effect create the first official American oligarchy.

What may come from such powers?

Arbitrary rulings to suspend or remove:

right to free speech

Freedom of the press

Right to gather in public

Right to dissent

Right to representation in a court of law

Right to bear arms

Right to move about freely

Right to be free of illegal searches and seizures


Yes, I am well aware that the normal congress and senate have been doing a fine job of destroying these liberties already, but you haven't seen anything yet. A select few with the power to arbitrarily declare that you can not own a gun, well that is downright dangerous, isn't it?

You want tyranny in America?

The super congress is the key to that tyranny.
 Quoting: Revolution




Please cite where in the CONstitution the "right to move about freely" is enumerated.

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not even remotely
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it sounds pretty illegitimate to me, dude.
 Quoting: cremefraiche


:jaysdown:
 Quoting: ScrumpTheTexan


hmmm is sounds like treason of thr highest order

maybe you guys really do need my help
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There are ways it could be constitutional unfortunately. A lot will be riding on the semantics of the law creating this new body. If they call it a Inter-Cameral committee authorized by both house to bring legislation out of committee directly to floor vote in both houses, this committee is also authorized by both houses to restrict the bill amendment procedure in both houses.

This could be done under the auspices of the following constitutional segments.

Article I, Section 2, para 5
Article I, Section 3, para 5
Article I, Section 4, para 1
Article I, Section 5, para 1,2,3
Article I, Section 6, para 1
Article I, Section 7, para 2,3
Article I, Section 8, para 18


ok on the same note Article I, Section 7, para 1 may be the saving clause preventing it from being constitutional.

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Likewise the legislation compromises being offered by the senate and the president on the budget crisis would themselves be unconstitutional.

I have been studying our constitution a lot more over the last few years.
 Quoting: Sol-Magmatard 26


I am sorry but the above Articles only give instructions and defintions of what POTUS and the House can do. None of these articles or anywhere in the Const. does it say that a creation of a Super Congress (body) can created by 6 Repubs and 6 Dems. This is not what our forefathers invisioned it to be.
 Quoting: MASSADICTION 1298438


I must disagree with you OP, the above Articles do provide the authority especially in
Article I, Section 2, para 5
Article I, Section 3, para 5
which read
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.

Committee Members count as officers and that in lays they possible constitutional validity.

Also, the "sections" I mentioned did not talk about the POTUS.

If your going to argue the constitution please at least have the decency to read it and show basic comprehension of the American-English language.

Also for clarification I do not support the Super committee as Article I, Section 7, para 1 seems to preclude it for being legit.
 Quoting: Sol-Magmatard 26


Sorry dude, but I disagree with you. I highlighted the important parts of your argument. When it says shall choose (not chuse like you wrote) their officers does not imply they choose themselves. Who are they going to choose other than themselves? Trust me I looked it up very thoroughly and Article I of the Const. simply outlines powers and delegations. You just did that for me. Nothing states the ability to create another legislative body. I implore you to show where it says it.
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It is no longer about what is constitutional. It is about what they can get away with.
 Quoting: Zetetic


it has been what they can get away with since the civil war..

this congress and all congress since the civil war is unlawful!

research the missing 13th amendment, that will give you an idea how and when it all went wrong.


if you truely want change then withdraw your $upport. start doing so now, you wont be the first.
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Every think about america is 100% COCKSTITUTIONAL....

JUST PAY YOUR TAX FOCKER
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Please cite where in the CONstitution the "right to move about freely" is enumerated.
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does it sound constitutional?

cause it sounds pretty illegitimate to me, dude.
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What he said! SHIT an 'SUPER CONGRESS" the name alone says so much!
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"is the super congress even constitutional?"

cruise Congress represent us, we don't need another congress to represent congress.
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Agreed. It's completely unconstitutional, but what of that, they've been shitting on the Constitution for decades.
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What "Super Congress"? As it's proposed, and has been for days but now is at the forefront of this new tentative "agreement" is for a Congressional Committee made up of 6 members from each party and house to come up with the additional spending cut targets by November, and at that time those recommendations go before a simple up or down vote by the full Congress.

If they fail to agree to the required cuts, then automatic cuts across the board go into effect that would total the amount of the required total cuts.

How is this going above or beyond their given parameters?

Granted, I think the entire process is chicken-shit, and this just provides them a cowards way out in the end so that one side can blame the other for not reaching or agreeing on targeted cuts and then "oops" the automatic ones on all programs kicked in. Then they can blame each other for hurting their own sacred cows.

Lack of leadership, yes. Lack of responsibility, definitely. Complete failure to look out for the overall welfare of the nation as a hole, not even a doubt about it. But creating some super congress that terminates or ignores constitutional guidelines and in itself threatens to bring about the end of America? This ain't it.


cool2
 Quoting: Okie


Yes, but it lacks representation from the other Senators and Reps. To leave it up to a quasi Supreme Court sorta speak is incredible and outlandish...
 Quoting: MASSDDICTION 1298438


In truth, it sounds no different than a conference committee.

[link to www.senate.gov]

Per the definition: conference committee - A temporary, ad hoc panel composed of House and Senate conferees which is formed for the purpose of reconciling differences in legislation that has passed both chambers. Conference committees are usually convened to resolve bicameral differences on major and controversial legislation.

Sounds like standard procedure actually.

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Please cite where in the CONstitution the "right to move about freely" is enumerated.
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putin
 Quoting: Revolution


Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


That's good enough for me. We have rights that aren't even directly enumerated, I believe the right to move about freely qualifies.
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In a word, NO!
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There are ways it could be constitutional unfortunately. A lot will be riding on the semantics of the law creating this new body. If they call it a Inter-Cameral committee authorized by both house to bring legislation out of committee directly to floor vote in both houses, this committee is also authorized by both houses to restrict the bill amendment procedure in both houses.

This could be done under the auspices of the following constitutional segments.

Article I, Section 2, para 5
Article I, Section 3, para 5
Article I, Section 4, para 1
Article I, Section 5, para 1,2,3
Article I, Section 6, para 1
Article I, Section 7, para 2,3
Article I, Section 8, para 18


ok on the same note Article I, Section 7, para 1 may be the saving clause preventing it from being constitutional.

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Likewise the legislation compromises being offered by the senate and the president on the budget crisis would themselves be unconstitutional.

I have been studying our constitution a lot more over the last few years.
 Quoting: Sol-Magmatard 26


I am sorry but the above Articles only give instructions and defintions of what POTUS and the House can do. None of these articles or anywhere in the Const. does it say that a creation of a Super Congress (body) can created by 6 Repubs and 6 Dems. This is not what our forefathers invisioned it to be.
 Quoting: MASSADICTION 1298438


I must disagree with you OP, the above Articles do provide the authority especially in
Article I, Section 2, para 5
Article I, Section 3, para 5
which read
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.

Committee Members count as officers and that in lays they possible constitutional validity.

Also, the "sections" I mentioned did not talk about the POTUS.

If your going to argue the constitution please at least have the decency to read it and show basic comprehension of the American-English language.

Also for clarification I do not support the Super committee as Article I, Section 7, para 1 seems to preclude it for being legit.
 Quoting: Sol-Magmatard 26


Sorry dude, but I disagree with you. I highlighted the important parts of your argument. When it says shall choose (not chuse like you wrote) their officers does not imply they choose themselves. Who are they going to choose other than themselves? Trust me I looked it up very thoroughly and Article I of the Const. simply outlines powers and delegations. You just did that for me. Nothing states the ability to create another legislative body. I implore you to show where it says it.
 Quoting: MASSADDICTION 1298438


The original spelling used at the time of the consitution was chuse.

So please assist me in understanding your argument better please.
I will ask some questions for clarifications.

Can the House and Senate constitutionally create committees and sub-committees?

Can the House and Senate constitutionally create bodies which communicate to both sides?

Can the House and Senate constitutionally create rules and laws which govern the procedures of said bodies as they may interpret from the constitution in order to execute the powers vested by the constitution as they are understood?
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Please cite where in the CONstitution the "right to move about freely" is enumerated.
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putin
 Quoting: Revolution


Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


That's good enough for me. We have rights that aren't even directly enumerated, I believe the right to move about freely qualifies.
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Thank you.

Wikipedia states as follows, "freedom of movement...was thought to be so fundamental during the drafting of the Constitution as not needing explicit enumeration."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Some people just don't understand what the constitution is about.
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I am sorry but the above Articles only give instructions and defintions of what POTUS and the House can do. None of these articles or anywhere in the Const. does it say that a creation of a Super Congress (body) can created by 6 Repubs and 6 Dems. This is not what our forefathers invisioned it to be.
 Quoting: MASSADICTION 1298438


I must disagree with you OP, the above Articles do provide the authority especially in
Article I, Section 2, para 5
Article I, Section 3, para 5
which read
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.

Committee Members count as officers and that in lays they possible constitutional validity.

Also, the "sections" I mentioned did not talk about the POTUS.

If your going to argue the constitution please at least have the decency to read it and show basic comprehension of the American-English language.

Also for clarification I do not support the Super committee as Article I, Section 7, para 1 seems to preclude it for being legit.
 Quoting: Sol-Magmatard 26


Sorry dude, but I disagree with you. I highlighted the important parts of your argument. When it says shall choose (not chuse like you wrote) their officers does not imply they choose themselves. Who are they going to choose other than themselves? Trust me I looked it up very thoroughly and Article I of the Const. simply outlines powers and delegations. You just did that for me. Nothing states the ability to create another legislative body. I implore you to show where it says it.
 Quoting: MASSADDICTION 1298438


The original spelling used at the time of the consitution was chuse.

So please assist me in understanding your argument better please.
I will ask some questions for clarifications.

Can the House and Senate constitutionally create committees and sub-committees?

Can the House and Senate constitutionally create bodies which communicate to both sides?

Can the House and Senate constitutionally create rules and laws which govern the procedures of said bodies as they may interpret from the constitution in order to execute the powers vested by the constitution as they are understood?
 Quoting: Sol-Magmatard 26


Question #1 Yes.
Question #2 Yes.
Question #3 Yes.

What's your point. There is nothing in the Const. that says both bodies have the ability to create another body over-seeing both bodies to create legislation. Committees and sub-comittees is one thing but creating an all out Super Congress is ridiculous.
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Sadly, our Constitution is quickly becoming IRRELEVANT!
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No it isn't.
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I must disagree with you OP, the above Articles do provide the authority especially in
Article I, Section 2, para 5
Article I, Section 3, para 5
which read
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.

Committee Members count as officers and that in lays they possible constitutional validity.

Also, the "sections" I mentioned did not talk about the POTUS.

If your going to argue the constitution please at least have the decency to read it and show basic comprehension of the American-English language.

Also for clarification I do not support the Super committee as Article I, Section 7, para 1 seems to preclude it for being legit.
 Quoting: Sol-Magmatard 26


Sorry dude, but I disagree with you. I highlighted the important parts of your argument. When it says shall choose (not chuse like you wrote) their officers does not imply they choose themselves. Who are they going to choose other than themselves? Trust me I looked it up very thoroughly and Article I of the Const. simply outlines powers and delegations. You just did that for me. Nothing states the ability to create another legislative body. I implore you to show where it says it.
 Quoting: MASSADDICTION 1298438


The original spelling used at the time of the consitution was chuse.

So please assist me in understanding your argument better please.
I will ask some questions for clarifications.

Can the House and Senate constitutionally create committees and sub-committees?

Can the House and Senate constitutionally create bodies which communicate to both sides?

Can the House and Senate constitutionally create rules and laws which govern the procedures of said bodies as they may interpret from the constitution in order to execute the powers vested by the constitution as they are understood?
 Quoting: Sol-Magmatard 26


Question #1 Yes.
Question #2 Yes.
Question #3 Yes.

What's your point. There is nothing in the Const. that says both bodies have the ability to create another body over-seeing both bodies to create legislation. Committees and sub-comittees is one thing but creating an all out Super Congress is ridiculous.
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More importantly there is nothing prohibiting it either. #3 is what gives them the potential ability. again do I agree with them doing it no. But i am looking at it from a purely constitutional point of view. Given #3 and no explicit prohibition in the Constitution, that would be the chief argument I believe. The only part of the constitution that could be used to argue against it is Article I, Section 7, para 1. The SCOTUS has previously ruled that unless explicit exclusion is present then the senate may make laws of governance. So we can only hope that Article I, Section 7, para 1 will make them think twice against this.
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I just don't get it. Do they think we are stupid and no one is going to notice. Watch the lawsuits fly when this happens.
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They are desperate and don't know what to do.
They fear the wrath of the people for their illegal deeds.
If they take a left they are screwed, if they take a right they are screwed.
We know who they are and what they did, going back 150 years. All of them.
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He might use catastrophic emergency clause, then they will rewrite the Constitution and Bill of rigfhts. Chairman O , will at last become a Penis-spud...........................woop woop pigchefpoop
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Sorry dude, but I disagree with you. I highlighted the important parts of your argument. When it says shall choose (not chuse like you wrote) their officers does not imply they choose themselves. Who are they going to choose other than themselves? Trust me I looked it up very thoroughly and Article I of the Const. simply outlines powers and delegations. You just did that for me. Nothing states the ability to create another legislative body. I implore you to show where it says it.
 Quoting: MASSADDICTION 1298438


The original spelling used at the time of the consitution was chuse.

So please assist me in understanding your argument better please.
I will ask some questions for clarifications.

Can the House and Senate constitutionally create committees and sub-committees?

Can the House and Senate constitutionally create bodies which communicate to both sides?

Can the House and Senate constitutionally create rules and laws which govern the procedures of said bodies as they may interpret from the constitution in order to execute the powers vested by the constitution as they are understood?
 Quoting: Sol-Magmatard 26


Question #1 Yes.
Question #2 Yes.
Question #3 Yes.

What's your point. There is nothing in the Const. that says both bodies have the ability to create another body over-seeing both bodies to create legislation. Committees and sub-comittees is one thing but creating an all out Super Congress is ridiculous.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1298438


More importantly there is nothing prohibiting it either. #3 is what gives them the potential ability. again do I agree with them doing it no. But i am looking at it from a purely constitutional point of view. Given #3 and no explicit prohibition in the Constitution, that would be the chief argument I believe. The only part of the constitution that could be used to argue against it is Article I, Section 7, para 1. The SCOTUS has previously ruled that unless explicit exclusion is present then the senate may make laws of governance. So we can only hope that Article I, Section 7, para 1 will make them think twice against this.
 Quoting: Sol-Magmatard 26


I understand but the framers never ever envisioned such a creation. We have tooled and bent the Const to a point where it doesn't mean much because of executive orders and directives. In today's world its a different ballgame, but nevertheless, the creation of a Super body is totally out of the frame and against the spirit of the Const.
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the creation of a Super body is totally out of the frame and against the spirit of the Const.

In that statement we both agree.
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Sadly, our Constitution is quickly becoming IRRELEVANT!
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Congress became irrevelent when they gave away the power to declare war and passed off the power to regulate coins/currency to the federal reserve. Now they just debate and pass laws that don't apply to them.
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08/01/2011 12:56 AM
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Re: IS THE SUPER CONGRESS EVEN CONSTITUTIONAL?
Sadly, our Constitution is quickly becoming IRRELEVANT!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1485936


We are the only country that uses a constitution that's hundreds of years old. They were bound to rewrite it at some point.
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08/01/2011 01:02 AM
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Re: IS THE SUPER CONGRESS EVEN CONSTITUTIONAL?
NOTHING about the last three years has been Constitutional.
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last ten for sure...last fifty likely....last seventy probably...last 100 to be exact...





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