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amplified2 User ID: 1482349 United States 07/31/2011 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just don't get it. Do they think we are stupid and no one is going to notice. Watch the lawsuits fly when this happens. Quoting: MASSADDICTION 1298438the lawsuits have been flying about just about everything since Jan 2009 ... but nothing has changed... so, yes they do think we are stupid and wont notice, or wont do anything I know a thing or two, because I've seen a thing or two. |
Least Servant User ID: 1379655 United States 07/31/2011 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Relax comrade. Super Congress, 10 governors-all is well. Move along. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1139795We will choose a better congress of our most loyal leaders to make decisions for the rest who are disloyal and weak. Last Edited by Least Servant on 07/31/2011 10:30 PM :romaflag: Not enough to fight, too many to die. |
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SmartestOne User ID: 1486221 United States 07/31/2011 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I understand it correctly, this super congress will be so far from constitutional that it will make the constitution completely and wholly irrelevant. Quoting: RevolutionWhat the super congress will be granted is the power to bypass both the house and the senate in enacting emergency legislations. This usurps the powers of a legislative branch traditionally representational of the people and the states, and broadens the growing chasm between the judicial and executive branches, weakening the judicial and strengthening the executive. It will in effect create the first official American oligarchy. What may come from such powers? Arbitrary rulings to suspend or remove: right to free speech Freedom of the press Right to gather in public Right to dissent Right to representation in a court of law Right to bear arms Right to move about freely Right to be free of illegal searches and seizures Yes, I am well aware that the normal congress and senate have been doing a fine job of destroying these liberties already, but you haven't seen anything yet. A select few with the power to arbitrarily declare that you can not own a gun, well that is downright dangerous, isn't it? You want tyranny in America? The super congress is the key to that tyranny. Please cite where in the CONstitution the "right to move about freely" is enumerated. Last Edited by SmartestOne on 07/31/2011 11:00 PM ~The most plagiarized poster on GLP!~ Paultards started the war, but I won it! Ron Paul: Pro Amnesty [link to teapartywest.com] Ron Paul's Golden Globalism [link to killtheempire.blogspot.com] Paul Supports Globalization and One World Currency [link to libertyrevival.wordpress.com] Ron Paul Gives "Horned Hand" Sign [link to troyspace2.wordpress.com] Ron Paul Flashing Satanic Hand Signs [link to ssl.scroogle.org (secure)] Ron Paul Gives Masonic Handshake /Decades in DC = HIGH-DEGREE Freemason [link to freemasonry-watch.blogspot.com] Ron Paul and the Jesuits [link to www.spirituallysmart.com] Devvy Kidd Rips Paul a New One [link to www.newswithviews.com] Paul always talks about LIBERTY, hardly ever FREEDOM. What "LIBERTY" Means to Freemasons [link to www.texemarrs.com] Lewis Lehrman, Paul's coauthor: Yale grad, Woodrow Wilson Fellow at Harvard, Knight of Malta [link to revoltnow.wetpaint.com] Paul's Austrian School of Economics hero, Ludwig Von Mises, participant in Pan European Union movement and sponsored by Rockefeller [link to watch.pair.com] Paul camp hires NEOCON ZIONIST FASCIST "PIMP" LOBBYIST Bruce Fein [link to www.boilingfrogspost.com] Ron Paul Descended from Knights Templar and Nazis [link to imageshack.us] *The USA has NOT BEEN HIJACKED! Learn the TRUTH! 200+ years of LIES AND DECEPTION unmasked! Discount for GLP posters! Contact me for details* Your ignorance does not constitute "craziness" on the part of others. Let's talk Freemasonry! I'm armed with Pike, Mackey, and Hall. |
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MASSADDICTION (OP) User ID: 1298438 United States 07/31/2011 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are ways it could be constitutional unfortunately. A lot will be riding on the semantics of the law creating this new body. If they call it a Inter-Cameral committee authorized by both house to bring legislation out of committee directly to floor vote in both houses, this committee is also authorized by both houses to restrict the bill amendment procedure in both houses. Quoting: Sol-Magmatard 26This could be done under the auspices of the following constitutional segments. Article I, Section 2, para 5 Article I, Section 3, para 5 Article I, Section 4, para 1 Article I, Section 5, para 1,2,3 Article I, Section 6, para 1 Article I, Section 7, para 2,3 Article I, Section 8, para 18 ok on the same note Article I, Section 7, para 1 may be the saving clause preventing it from being constitutional. All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. Likewise the legislation compromises being offered by the senate and the president on the budget crisis would themselves be unconstitutional. I have been studying our constitution a lot more over the last few years. I am sorry but the above Articles only give instructions and defintions of what POTUS and the House can do. None of these articles or anywhere in the Const. does it say that a creation of a Super Congress (body) can created by 6 Repubs and 6 Dems. This is not what our forefathers invisioned it to be. I must disagree with you OP, the above Articles do provide the authority especially in Article I, Section 2, para 5 Article I, Section 3, para 5 which read The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment. The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States. Committee Members count as officers and that in lays they possible constitutional validity. Also, the "sections" I mentioned did not talk about the POTUS. If your going to argue the constitution please at least have the decency to read it and show basic comprehension of the American-English language. Also for clarification I do not support the Super committee as Article I, Section 7, para 1 seems to preclude it for being legit. Sorry dude, but I disagree with you. I highlighted the important parts of your argument. When it says shall choose (not chuse like you wrote) their officers does not imply they choose themselves. Who are they going to choose other than themselves? Trust me I looked it up very thoroughly and Article I of the Const. simply outlines powers and delegations. You just did that for me. Nothing states the ability to create another legislative body. I implore you to show where it says it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1105272 United States 07/31/2011 11:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is no longer about what is constitutional. It is about what they can get away with. Quoting: Zeteticit has been what they can get away with since the civil war.. this congress and all congress since the civil war is unlawful! research the missing 13th amendment, that will give you an idea how and when it all went wrong. if you truely want change then withdraw your $upport. start doing so now, you wont be the first. |
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Revolution User ID: 794937 United States 07/31/2011 11:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please cite where in the CONstitution the "right to move about freely" is enumerated. Quoting: SmartestOne"when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"—Adam Kokesh “Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!”—John Dickenson, The Liberty Song "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams "When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."—Ayn Rand |
Weltsmertz User ID: 1280572 United States 07/31/2011 11:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | does it sound constitutional? Quoting: cremefraichecause it sounds pretty illegitimate to me, dude. What he said! SHIT an 'SUPER CONGRESS" the name alone says so much! A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. Friedrich Nietzsche if I did not feel so sad as I look at them. Sad because they do not know the truth and I do know it. Oh, how hard it is to be the only one who knows the truth! But they won't understand that. No, they won't understand it." --from The Dream of a Ridiculous Man (1877) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1488797 United States 07/31/2011 11:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "is the super congress even constitutional?" Quoting: SOARINGHAWKCongress represent us, we don't need another congress to represent congress. Agreed. It's completely unconstitutional, but what of that, they've been shitting on the Constitution for decades. |
Okie User ID: 1489608 United States 07/31/2011 11:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What "Super Congress"? As it's proposed, and has been for days but now is at the forefront of this new tentative "agreement" is for a Congressional Committee made up of 6 members from each party and house to come up with the additional spending cut targets by November, and at that time those recommendations go before a simple up or down vote by the full Congress. Quoting: OkieIf they fail to agree to the required cuts, then automatic cuts across the board go into effect that would total the amount of the required total cuts. How is this going above or beyond their given parameters? Granted, I think the entire process is chicken-shit, and this just provides them a cowards way out in the end so that one side can blame the other for not reaching or agreeing on targeted cuts and then "oops" the automatic ones on all programs kicked in. Then they can blame each other for hurting their own sacred cows. Lack of leadership, yes. Lack of responsibility, definitely. Complete failure to look out for the overall welfare of the nation as a hole, not even a doubt about it. But creating some super congress that terminates or ignores constitutional guidelines and in itself threatens to bring about the end of America? This ain't it. Yes, but it lacks representation from the other Senators and Reps. To leave it up to a quasi Supreme Court sorta speak is incredible and outlandish... In truth, it sounds no different than a conference committee. [link to www.senate.gov] Per the definition: conference committee - A temporary, ad hoc panel composed of House and Senate conferees which is formed for the purpose of reconciling differences in legislation that has passed both chambers. Conference committees are usually convened to resolve bicameral differences on major and controversial legislation. Sounds like standard procedure actually. Last Edited by Okie on 07/31/2011 11:50 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1488797 United States 07/31/2011 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please cite where in the CONstitution the "right to move about freely" is enumerated. Quoting: SmartestOneAmendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. That's good enough for me. We have rights that aren't even directly enumerated, I believe the right to move about freely qualifies. |
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Sol-Magmatard 26 User ID: 1489637 United States 07/31/2011 11:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are ways it could be constitutional unfortunately. A lot will be riding on the semantics of the law creating this new body. If they call it a Inter-Cameral committee authorized by both house to bring legislation out of committee directly to floor vote in both houses, this committee is also authorized by both houses to restrict the bill amendment procedure in both houses. Quoting: Sol-Magmatard 26This could be done under the auspices of the following constitutional segments. Article I, Section 2, para 5 Article I, Section 3, para 5 Article I, Section 4, para 1 Article I, Section 5, para 1,2,3 Article I, Section 6, para 1 Article I, Section 7, para 2,3 Article I, Section 8, para 18 ok on the same note Article I, Section 7, para 1 may be the saving clause preventing it from being constitutional. All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. Likewise the legislation compromises being offered by the senate and the president on the budget crisis would themselves be unconstitutional. I have been studying our constitution a lot more over the last few years. I am sorry but the above Articles only give instructions and defintions of what POTUS and the House can do. None of these articles or anywhere in the Const. does it say that a creation of a Super Congress (body) can created by 6 Repubs and 6 Dems. This is not what our forefathers invisioned it to be. I must disagree with you OP, the above Articles do provide the authority especially in Article I, Section 2, para 5 Article I, Section 3, para 5 which read The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment. The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States. Committee Members count as officers and that in lays they possible constitutional validity. Also, the "sections" I mentioned did not talk about the POTUS. If your going to argue the constitution please at least have the decency to read it and show basic comprehension of the American-English language. Also for clarification I do not support the Super committee as Article I, Section 7, para 1 seems to preclude it for being legit. Sorry dude, but I disagree with you. I highlighted the important parts of your argument. When it says shall choose (not chuse like you wrote) their officers does not imply they choose themselves. Who are they going to choose other than themselves? Trust me I looked it up very thoroughly and Article I of the Const. simply outlines powers and delegations. You just did that for me. Nothing states the ability to create another legislative body. I implore you to show where it says it. The original spelling used at the time of the consitution was chuse. So please assist me in understanding your argument better please. I will ask some questions for clarifications. Can the House and Senate constitutionally create committees and sub-committees? Can the House and Senate constitutionally create bodies which communicate to both sides? Can the House and Senate constitutionally create rules and laws which govern the procedures of said bodies as they may interpret from the constitution in order to execute the powers vested by the constitution as they are understood? formerly Magmatard 26 |
Revolution User ID: 794937 United States 08/01/2011 12:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please cite where in the CONstitution the "right to move about freely" is enumerated. Quoting: SmartestOneAmendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. That's good enough for me. We have rights that aren't even directly enumerated, I believe the right to move about freely qualifies. Thank you. Wikipedia states as follows, "freedom of movement...was thought to be so fundamental during the drafting of the Constitution as not needing explicit enumeration." [link to en.wikipedia.org] Some people just don't understand what the constitution is about. "when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"—Adam Kokesh “Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall!”—John Dickenson, The Liberty Song "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams "When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion - when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing - when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you - when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - you may know that your society is doomed."—Ayn Rand |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1298438 United States 08/01/2011 12:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: MASSADICTION 1298438I am sorry but the above Articles only give instructions and defintions of what POTUS and the House can do. None of these articles or anywhere in the Const. does it say that a creation of a Super Congress (body) can created by 6 Repubs and 6 Dems. This is not what our forefathers invisioned it to be. I must disagree with you OP, the above Articles do provide the authority especially in Article I, Section 2, para 5 Article I, Section 3, para 5 which read The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment. The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States. Committee Members count as officers and that in lays they possible constitutional validity. Also, the "sections" I mentioned did not talk about the POTUS. If your going to argue the constitution please at least have the decency to read it and show basic comprehension of the American-English language. Also for clarification I do not support the Super committee as Article I, Section 7, para 1 seems to preclude it for being legit. Sorry dude, but I disagree with you. I highlighted the important parts of your argument. When it says shall choose (not chuse like you wrote) their officers does not imply they choose themselves. Who are they going to choose other than themselves? Trust me I looked it up very thoroughly and Article I of the Const. simply outlines powers and delegations. You just did that for me. Nothing states the ability to create another legislative body. I implore you to show where it says it. The original spelling used at the time of the consitution was chuse. So please assist me in understanding your argument better please. I will ask some questions for clarifications. Can the House and Senate constitutionally create committees and sub-committees? Can the House and Senate constitutionally create bodies which communicate to both sides? Can the House and Senate constitutionally create rules and laws which govern the procedures of said bodies as they may interpret from the constitution in order to execute the powers vested by the constitution as they are understood? Question #1 Yes. Question #2 Yes. Question #3 Yes. What's your point. There is nothing in the Const. that says both bodies have the ability to create another body over-seeing both bodies to create legislation. Committees and sub-comittees is one thing but creating an all out Super Congress is ridiculous. |
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Sol-Magmatard 26 User ID: 1489637 United States 08/01/2011 12:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Sol-Magmatard 26I must disagree with you OP, the above Articles do provide the authority especially in Article I, Section 2, para 5 Article I, Section 3, para 5 which read The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment. The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States. Committee Members count as officers and that in lays they possible constitutional validity. Also, the "sections" I mentioned did not talk about the POTUS. If your going to argue the constitution please at least have the decency to read it and show basic comprehension of the American-English language. Also for clarification I do not support the Super committee as Article I, Section 7, para 1 seems to preclude it for being legit. Sorry dude, but I disagree with you. I highlighted the important parts of your argument. When it says shall choose (not chuse like you wrote) their officers does not imply they choose themselves. Who are they going to choose other than themselves? Trust me I looked it up very thoroughly and Article I of the Const. simply outlines powers and delegations. You just did that for me. Nothing states the ability to create another legislative body. I implore you to show where it says it. The original spelling used at the time of the consitution was chuse. So please assist me in understanding your argument better please. I will ask some questions for clarifications. Can the House and Senate constitutionally create committees and sub-committees? Can the House and Senate constitutionally create bodies which communicate to both sides? Can the House and Senate constitutionally create rules and laws which govern the procedures of said bodies as they may interpret from the constitution in order to execute the powers vested by the constitution as they are understood? Question #1 Yes. Question #2 Yes. Question #3 Yes. What's your point. There is nothing in the Const. that says both bodies have the ability to create another body over-seeing both bodies to create legislation. Committees and sub-comittees is one thing but creating an all out Super Congress is ridiculous. More importantly there is nothing prohibiting it either. #3 is what gives them the potential ability. again do I agree with them doing it no. But i am looking at it from a purely constitutional point of view. Given #3 and no explicit prohibition in the Constitution, that would be the chief argument I believe. The only part of the constitution that could be used to argue against it is Article I, Section 7, para 1. The SCOTUS has previously ruled that unless explicit exclusion is present then the senate may make laws of governance. So we can only hope that Article I, Section 7, para 1 will make them think twice against this. formerly Magmatard 26 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1107716 United States 08/01/2011 12:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just don't get it. Do they think we are stupid and no one is going to notice. Watch the lawsuits fly when this happens. Quoting: MASSADDICTION 1298438They are desperate and don't know what to do. They fear the wrath of the people for their illegal deeds. If they take a left they are screwed, if they take a right they are screwed. We know who they are and what they did, going back 150 years. All of them. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1298438 United States 08/01/2011 12:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: MASSADDICTION 1298438Sorry dude, but I disagree with you. I highlighted the important parts of your argument. When it says shall choose (not chuse like you wrote) their officers does not imply they choose themselves. Who are they going to choose other than themselves? Trust me I looked it up very thoroughly and Article I of the Const. simply outlines powers and delegations. You just did that for me. Nothing states the ability to create another legislative body. I implore you to show where it says it. The original spelling used at the time of the consitution was chuse. So please assist me in understanding your argument better please. I will ask some questions for clarifications. Can the House and Senate constitutionally create committees and sub-committees? Can the House and Senate constitutionally create bodies which communicate to both sides? Can the House and Senate constitutionally create rules and laws which govern the procedures of said bodies as they may interpret from the constitution in order to execute the powers vested by the constitution as they are understood? Question #1 Yes. Question #2 Yes. Question #3 Yes. What's your point. There is nothing in the Const. that says both bodies have the ability to create another body over-seeing both bodies to create legislation. Committees and sub-comittees is one thing but creating an all out Super Congress is ridiculous. More importantly there is nothing prohibiting it either. #3 is what gives them the potential ability. again do I agree with them doing it no. But i am looking at it from a purely constitutional point of view. Given #3 and no explicit prohibition in the Constitution, that would be the chief argument I believe. The only part of the constitution that could be used to argue against it is Article I, Section 7, para 1. The SCOTUS has previously ruled that unless explicit exclusion is present then the senate may make laws of governance. So we can only hope that Article I, Section 7, para 1 will make them think twice against this. I understand but the framers never ever envisioned such a creation. We have tooled and bent the Const to a point where it doesn't mean much because of executive orders and directives. In today's world its a different ballgame, but nevertheless, the creation of a Super body is totally out of the frame and against the spirit of the Const. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1488333 United States 08/01/2011 12:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sadly, our Constitution is quickly becoming IRRELEVANT! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1485936Congress became irrevelent when they gave away the power to declare war and passed off the power to regulate coins/currency to the federal reserve. Now they just debate and pass laws that don't apply to them. |
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