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Well, the house sold us out. Did we expect less from them.
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I like your avatar.

Peace to you.

WE were sold out in 1913, and 1933. Nothing new here.
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When you are 13 TRILLION dollars in debt, the last thing you would want to do is add to that debt. Take that number in for a second...

Not $1,300
Not $13,000
Not $130,000
Not $1,300,000
Not $13,000,000
Not $13,000,000,000

BUT... $13,000,000,000,000.

That's what we OWE as a nation. We are not in the positive, and therefore, there is NOTHING positive about increasing the debt ceiling. Our mockery of an elected government "for the people, by the people, of the people" has put us into a position where not only are our backs against the wall, they're shirtless as well.

AT WHAT POINT DOES IT STOP? We are allowing ourselves to sit back, debating among one another (productive, right? Ha, no.) while our government sells us out for the selfish agendas of the elite bankers who are now salivating over the amount of interest money they'll be collecting.

I know no greater tragedy than what our "system" has become. It is truly a shame that noble and honorable politicians are few and far between (God Bless You, Mr. Paul). I can only hope that one day we open our eyes as a nation and stand up for ourselves, for our our families, for our freedom.
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Just move to another country. Fuck this.
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100 years of bondage....Tell you kids to get out while they still can...
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they saved us from defaulting. Stop your negative non sense threads!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1490869


....and posibly saved the DEBT RATING as well.

Moody's may give the USA a "gimmie" since they THEMSELVES were the ones that contributed to this economic clusterf*ck.

This was a necessary move in the CHESS GAME leading up to the 2012 CLEANOUT.


Patience grasshoppers...patience. popcorn smiley
 Quoting: Burt Gummer

PERFECT YOU'LL BE CALLING YOUR GRAND CHILDREN 'grasshopper'
 Quoting: Gods bro


2012 cometh soon noobs. thwak
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Burt, but isn't this setting it up so Obama and many in congress will be safe from having to deal with the next debt increase until after their reelections?

I was almost hoping for Boehner's 'stealing Christmas' plan, as it would have forced Congress to deal with this again before the next election cycle.

There's talk that the deal may be unconstitutional, in regards to the 'Super Congress'.
Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy. Blessings of the state, blessings of the masses. - OMM
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...


If I were in charge I'd be seeing the diminishing returns starting to smack me in the face.
 Quoting: Least Servant


government should have never been modeled as a 'business' but I feel ya there for sure!

But there really is no one 'in charge'... The situation at hand and the 'emotional connection' is what is really in charge of anything here in the US...
 Quoting: GUANO


As you know a great deal of individual effort taken together as a collective force is required each day to keep the world moving and all of us alive for another day.

Well, a lot of the forces that inspire this daily motion are themselves tired and need rest... so the burden shifts to younger structures which have progressively less momentum as the burdens entrusted to them at each stage are greater and greater than the previous... the fall of civilizations, in this case, a global civilization.

afro
 Quoting: Least Servant

I think one of the problems is that people do not have a moral investment in their 'individual efforts'. Especially when it comes to government and larger corporations. They just do as they were taught and they are just trying to make a buck.

People should not 'run' for office at all.. they should be CHOSEN... I would much rather have people in office who don't want to be there in the first place! They would all be working to put themselves out of jobs, solving the issues which required their employment in the first place--- BEAUTIFUL!
 Quoting: GUANO


That is how the Founding Fathers intended American government to function.

The idea was that there would be no political class or politician position as an occupation, since they envisioned the people would elect men from society who were so successful as private citizens, they would actually have to take a personal loss to serve the nation as their duty, and as such they would strive to change the things that needed to be changed and solved the immediate crises as expediently as possible and get back to their private lives spent enriching the nation's economy.

Needless to say, we are completely off-track now.

RON PAUL 2012

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....and posibly saved the DEBT RATING as well.

Moody's may give the USA a "gimmie" since they THEMSELVES were the ones that contributed to this economic clusterf*ck.

This was a necessary move in the CHESS GAME leading up to the 2012 CLEANOUT.


Patience grasshoppers...patience. popcorn smiley
 Quoting: Burt Gummer

PERFECT YOU'LL BE CALLING YOUR GRAND CHILDREN 'grasshopper'
 Quoting: Gods bro


2012 cometh soon noobs. thwak
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Burt, but isn't this setting it up so Obama and many in congress will be safe from having to deal with the next debt increase until after their reelections?

I was almost hoping for Boehner's 'stealing Christmas' plan, as it would have forced Congress to deal with this again before the next election cycle.

There's talk that the deal may be unconstitutional, in regards to the 'Super Congress'.
 Quoting: THX 1138



1) Obama will have no part in the next debt deal....he's gone in 2012 regardless of this deal. So that point is moot.
Even ACORN fraud won't save his ass this time.

2) Yes...it would have been nice for the "Stealing Christmas" plan....but the Socialists are having no part of that. You would never get them to agree to that.
Best to take what you can until the Republicans have actual control. Chose your battles....the ones that can be won.
...and MOST ALL can be won after 2012.

3) The Super Congress, unfortunately, has a precedent....so I will bet $$$ they get away with it again.

Again....2012 is the time.....patience for now.


"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
Sun Tzu
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I have yet to see it on this thread (sorry if I missed it) but this deal is a shaft in a multitude of ways. Our credit rating will STILL be downgraded, and savings or increased revenue, i.e. taxes, will now go to higher interest rates. Not to mention the average Joe, who now has less services available, less money, and higher interest rates. Just what they needed to further stuff the pockets of the elites, and drive what is left of the middle class in to poverty.
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That is how the Founding Fathers intended American government to function.

The idea was that there would be no political class or politician position as an occupation, since they envisioned the people would elect men from society who were so successful as private citizens, they would actually have to take a personal loss to serve the nation as their duty, and as such they would strive to change the things that needed to be changed and solved the immediate crises as expediently as possible and get back to their private lives spent enriching the nation's economy.

Needless to say, we are completely off-track now.

RON PAUL 2012

rockypaul
 Quoting: Least Servant


This!!!^^^^^
Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy. Blessings of the state, blessings of the masses. - OMM
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they saved us from defaulting. Stop your negative non sense threads!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1490869


I can't take the sheople who believe and parrot the lies anymore!

ahhh
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Well, turn about is fair play then I say....

Everyone in this nation should just send a very polite handwritten IOU to the Fed explaining that we expect THEIR children's children to pick up the tab in 30yrs...

...or better yet, ...just start paying for everything in Monopoly money!...
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Mitchell Innes on the credit origins of money (1913 & 1914) is important as part of understanding monetary theory and toward development of an improved design.

Innes argues that money is always issued as the issuer's debt, no matter the form--coin, tally-stick or paper--and defends his proposition with a lengthy discussion of money in ancient Rome, Greece, Carolingian France and early modern Britain and Europe. Money appeared first as a unit of account for a debt, not as a medium of exchange. Its value and acceptance is determined by its ability to discharge a debt, ultimately a debt to the state, and is not linked to metal. Money's value is stable in societies with strong states able to enforce tax collection.
 Quoting: Randall Wray


[link to findarticles.com]

Longer and more complex: [link to www.cfeps.org]


The original Michael Innes pieces are WHAT IS MONEY? From The Banking Law Journal, May 1913.
[link to www.ces.org.za]

and

The Credit Theory of Money, From The Banking Law Journal, Vol. 31 (1914), Dec./Jan., Pages 151-168.
[link to www.ces.org.za]

I recommend reading each of these several times.

Reference my previous writing on correct assignment of seigniorage. This is critically important if the books are to balance.

Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 35)
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That is how the Founding Fathers intended American government to function.

The idea was that there would be no political class or politician position as an occupation, since they envisioned the people would elect men from society who were so successful as private citizens, they would actually have to take a personal loss to serve the nation as their duty, and as such they would strive to change the things that needed to be changed and solved the immediate crises as expediently as possible and get back to their private lives spent enriching the nation's economy.

Needless to say, we are completely off-track now.

RON PAUL 2012

rockypaul
 Quoting: Least Servant


This!!!^^^^^
 Quoting: THX 1138


x 1,000,000
I'm just a figment of your imagination ;-)
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That is how the Founding Fathers intended American government to function.

The idea was that there would be no political class or politician position as an occupation, since they envisioned the people would elect men from society who were so successful as private citizens, they would actually have to take a personal loss to serve the nation as their duty, and as such they would strive to change the things that needed to be changed and solved the immediate crises as expediently as possible and get back to their private lives spent enriching the nation's economy.

Needless to say, we are completely off-track now.

RON PAUL 2012

rockypaul
 Quoting: Least Servant


This!!!^^^^^
 Quoting: THX 1138


x 1,000,000
 Quoting: The Voice In Your Head


If Ron Paul doesnt get in there next year its over forever. Talk about taking it down to the wire.
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they saved us from defaulting. Stop your negative non sense threads!
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I can't take the sheople who believe and parrot the lies anymore!

ahhh
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More accurately........

They DELAYED a DEFAULT at best....but Moody's may allow the USA a "gimmie" for the downgrade.
meaning...they don't downgrade the USA's debt rating.

Moody's, after all, was one of the rating agencies that caused many of the problems in this economy with their derivative ratings.
They certainly "owe us one".


Time will tell.

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1) Obama will have no part in the next debt deal....he's gone in 2012 regardless of this deal. So that point is moot.
Even ACORN fraud won't save his ass this time.

2) Yes...it would have been nice for the "Stealing Christmas" plan....but the Socialists are having no part of that. You would never get them to agree to that.
Best to take what you can until the Republicans have actual control. Chose your battles....the ones that can be won.
...and MOST ALL can be won after 2012.

3) The Super Congress, unfortunately, has a precedent....so I will bet $$$ they get away with it again.

Again....2012 is the time.....patience for now.


"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
Sun Tzu
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I just wish I was as sure that he'll be gone in '12.

Patience is a virtue though.
Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy. Blessings of the state, blessings of the masses. - OMM
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1) Obama will have no part in the next debt deal....he's gone in 2012 regardless of this deal. So that point is moot.
Even ACORN fraud won't save his ass this time.

2) Yes...it would have been nice for the "Stealing Christmas" plan....but the Socialists are having no part of that. You would never get them to agree to that.
Best to take what you can until the Republicans have actual control. Chose your battles....the ones that can be won.
...and MOST ALL can be won after 2012.

3) The Super Congress, unfortunately, has a precedent....so I will bet $$$ they get away with it again.

Again....2012 is the time.....patience for now.


"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
Sun Tzu
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I just wish I was as sure that he'll be gone in '12.

Patience is a virtue though.
 Quoting: THX 1138


I have seen and heard enough from MANY people / businesses to know that he will lose by a LANDSLIDE come 2012.
If I were a bookie....I could make a mint on this.

lol
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government should have never been modeled as a 'business' but I feel ya there for sure!

But there really is no one 'in charge'... The situation at hand and the 'emotional connection' is what is really in charge of anything here in the US...
 Quoting: GUANO


As you know a great deal of individual effort taken together as a collective force is required each day to keep the world moving and all of us alive for another day.

Well, a lot of the forces that inspire this daily motion are themselves tired and need rest... so the burden shifts to younger structures which have progressively less momentum as the burdens entrusted to them at each stage are greater and greater than the previous... the fall of civilizations, in this case, a global civilization.

afro
 Quoting: Least Servant

I think one of the problems is that people do not have a moral investment in their 'individual efforts'. Especially when it comes to government and larger corporations. They just do as they were taught and they are just trying to make a buck.

People should not 'run' for office at all.. they should be CHOSEN... I would much rather have people in office who don't want to be there in the first place! They would all be working to put themselves out of jobs, solving the issues which required their employment in the first place--- BEAUTIFUL!
 Quoting: GUANO


That is how the Founding Fathers intended American government to function.

The idea was that there would be no political class or politician position as an occupation, since they envisioned the people would elect men from society who were so successful as private citizens, they would actually have to take a personal loss to serve the nation as their duty, and as such they would strive to change the things that needed to be changed and solved the immediate crises as expediently as possible and get back to their private lives spent enriching the nation's economy.

Needless to say, we are completely off-track now.

RON PAUL 2012

rockypaul
 Quoting: Least Servant


exactly. I'd go vote for Ron Paul myself but I doubt he'll make it in there, if he does, he'll be set up by the left for total failure and will be unable to really do anything about it... Or worse... Do you know what happens when you try to remove funding from organizations like the CIA?
Total Protonic Reversal...
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exactly. I'd go vote for Ron Paul myself but I doubt he'll make it in there, if he does, he'll be set up by the left for total failure and will be unable to really do anything about it... Or worse... Do you know what happens when you try to remove funding from organizations like the CIA?
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I don't think he'd be that stupid...

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<SNIP>

What an immoral nation of people, to charge their party and good times on the backs of our children, grandchildren, the unborn. Unforgivable. Inexcusable. Bad karma will result. What a disgusting thing to do, to permit, to allow, to even contemplate. I turn my back on those Americans that would burden and enslave our descendents, the unborn, with the tab for your party and desires. Fuck you dirty nasty Americans, you traitors, sellouts, you all should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves. All you libtards make me want to vomit.

<SNIP>
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The idea that children should be born into a system of debt slavery is a concept that belongs in the dust bin of history along with the flat earth maps.

For some conceptually different ideas on social credit and mutual credit and decentralized origins and administration of monetary systems begin here: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 2)
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1) Obama will have no part in the next debt deal....he's gone in 2012 regardless of this deal. So that point is moot.
Even ACORN fraud won't save his ass this time.

2) Yes...it would have been nice for the "Stealing Christmas" plan....but the Socialists are having no part of that. You would never get them to agree to that.
Best to take what you can until the Republicans have actual control. Chose your battles....the ones that can be won.
...and MOST ALL can be won after 2012.

3) The Super Congress, unfortunately, has a precedent....so I will bet $$$ they get away with it again.

Again....2012 is the time.....patience for now.


"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
Sun Tzu
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


I just wish I was as sure that he'll be gone in '12.

Patience is a virtue though.
 Quoting: THX 1138


I have seen and heard enough from MANY people / businesses to know that he will lose by a LANDSLIDE come 2012.
If I were a bookie....I could make a mint on this.

lol
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


You keep dreaming.
You have completely alienated all the people in the middle.
Sure protecting the rich at all costs and taking a even harder turn to the right will rally you're base.
But you repulicans dont get you wont win a general election with your base, even moreso with the gang of idiots you have lined up....
The sad thing is the democrats are TERRIBLE, Obama has been an awful corporatist excuse for a president, and yet instead of trying to compromise with the disillusioned middle you just keep trying to attack the poor/elderly/minorities.
And with the rapidly growing hispanic population that repugs have fought tooth and nail against continue to grow, well this might be the LAST chance this country has for a Republican president again.
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Well, the house sold us out. Did we expect less from them.
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I like your avatar.

Peace to you.

WE were sold out in 1913, and 1933. Nothing new here.
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Blood rack barbed wire
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Twenty first century schizoid man.

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higher inflation and prices on everything. It's all cheap now....
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So who are you referring? the house sold out the american peole? or the satanists??
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So who are you referring? the house sold out the american peole? or the satanists??
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Both...if they are not one in the same.
I'm just a figment of your imagination ;-)
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But shouldn't the World be relieved that they have been saved? Let's celebrate the fact that this is a "monumental" day in history hahaha (quoted from c-span).

Congrats Obama.. I guess we'll be seeing him through 2016?

But this is a serious question for you who have followed this a lot more than this Canadian... The debt reduction plan has cuts of $70ish billion over what time frame?

What is a "reasonable" debt for the U.S. to carry? Are they happy with maintaining a 14B Deficit, as in, is 14Billion their new "zero"?

We all know that the U.S. will hit $20 Billion within the next few years.. What are your thoughts on that?
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TRIILION, not billion. Over 14 TRILLION in debt.

This vote increases the debt, not decrease. It does not reduce spending. It increased borrowing.

There were trillions of wasteful spending that could have been cut immediately, not spread over 10 years, but IMMEDIATELY. It did not have to include social security, or medicaid/medicare to accomplish it.
Neither established Republicans, or Democrats would even look at the 100,000 itemized cuts in the governments own book of wasteful spending.
Only the Tea Party wanted to cut any of that.

The Tea Party hung tough. I'll be voting for Ron Paul, and every Tea Party and Independent candidate on the ballot.

And, that greatest military the world has ever seen? Really?
10 years later we are still in Afghanistan and Iraq. Low tech, no mass weapons, no armies, navies, or air forces.
And our military still can't defeat them?
Now, we are in 4 other places?

All while they are busy spending trillions of dollars in places we shouldn't be, 'fighting' wars that the greatest military on earth should have been done with years ago, and now demanding more money to bomb them some more and then pay to rebuild what we blow up. Are you fucking kidding me?

Somehow the greatest military on earth DID NOT bother to stop the war on our own southern border. They never even tried to stop over 20 MILLION invaders.

Not the greatest military on earth. Biggest spenders, big thieves, big liars. Big pussies killing civilians, women, children, more than a million and a half.

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Everyone didn't want it to pass, but new it was it's part of there large scam. There is only one major way to try to change it. Voting the right people in, Ron Paul.
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But shouldn't the World be relieved that they have been saved? Let's celebrate the fact that this is a "monumental" day in history hahaha (quoted from c-span).

Congrats Obama.. I guess we'll be seeing him through 2016?

But this is a serious question for you who have followed this a lot more than this Canadian... The debt reduction plan has cuts of $70ish billion over what time frame?

What is a "reasonable" debt for the U.S. to carry? Are they happy with maintaining a 14B Deficit, as in, is 14Billion their new "zero"?

We all know that the U.S. will hit $20 Billion within the next few years.. What are your thoughts on that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465600


TRIILION, not billion. Over 14 TRILLION in debt.

This vote increases the debt, not decrease. It does not reduce spending. It increased borrowing.

There were trillions of wasteful spending that could have been cut immediately, not spread over 10 years, but IMMEDIATELY. It did not have to include social security, or medicaid/medicare to accomplish it.
Neither established Republicans, or Democrats would even look at the 100,000 itemized cuts in the governments own book of wasteful spending.
Only the Tea Party wanted to cut any of that.

The Tea Party hung tough. I'll be voting for Ron Paul, and every Tea Party and Independent candidate on the ballot.

And, that greatest military the world has ever seen? Really?
10 years later we are still in Afghanistan and Iraq. Low tech, no mass weapons, no armies, navies, or air forces.
And our military still can't defeat them?
Now, we are in 4 other places?

All while they are busy spending trillions of dollars in places we shouldn't be, 'fighting' wars that the greatest military on earth should have been done with years ago, and now demanding more money to bomb them some more and then pay to rebuild what we blow up. Are you fucking kidding me?

Somehow the greatest military on earth DID NOT bother to stop the war on our own southern border. They never even tried to stop over 20 MILLION invaders.

Not the greatest military on earth. Biggest spenders, big thieves, big liars. Big pussies killing civilians, women, children, more than a million and a half.
 Quoting: Texas Uncensored


Careful, you came awfully close to sounding like a filthy democrat there for a second.
Luckily you threw out the "dirty mexicans" to save face.

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