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*** SOLAR FLARE POWER GRID FAILURE EXPLAINED *** Read on and be prepared

 
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*** SOLAR FLARE POWER GRID FAILURE EXPLAINED *** Read on and be prepared
We hear about the possibility of power grids failure due to massive solar flares and resulting CME's.
Here is an easy explanation on how the voltage spike increase is created due to such an event.


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Space weather "storms" can cause problems on Earth. They can even mess up our systems that make electricity and that deliver electricity to peoples' houses. Sometimes really big space weather storms can cause massive blackouts over large areas. In March of 1989 six million people in eastern Canada lost their electrical power for nine hours because of really big space weather storm.

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Our electrical systems are designed to use alternating current (AC) electricity. Space weather disturbances can cause large flows of direct current (DC) electricity in power transmission wires. Electrical systems use very high voltage electricity to transmit power over long distances from power plants to peoples' homes and to businesses. However, high voltage electricity is dangerous, so the power is converted to lower voltage before it is delivered to homes and other users. Transformers are devices that convert high voltage electricity to lower voltage electricity.

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Transformers work fine with AC electricity, but can be damaged or destroyed if too much DC electricity flows into them. That's what can happen during big space weather storms. If many transformers fail at once, the whole electrical system over a large area can go down. That's how space weather can cause a blackout.

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How long would it take to rebuild our infrastructure if this scenario were to occur? Imagine the cost to do this. WOuld be nail in coffin for the WORLD
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How long would it take to rebuild our infrastructure if this scenario were to occur? Imagine the cost to do this. WOuld be nail in coffin for the WORLD
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Someone said up to 10 years...hiding
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How long would it take to rebuild our infrastructure if this scenario were to occur? Imagine the cost to do this. WOuld be nail in coffin for the WORLD
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Someone said up to 10 years...hiding
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Good lord. I figured 4-5.

I will retreat to my place in the mountains if shit goes down.
Facts are stubborn things;
and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

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did you draw those pictures yourself?
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did you draw those pictures yourself?
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Nope, they are allover the net :)
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How long would it take to rebuild our infrastructure if this scenario were to occur? Imagine the cost to do this. WOuld be nail in coffin for the WORLD
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Someone said up to 10 years...hiding
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and trillions of $
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How long would it take to rebuild our infrastructure if this scenario were to occur? Imagine the cost to do this. WOuld be nail in coffin for the WORLD
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Someone said up to 10 years...hiding
 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Good lord. I figured 4-5.

I will retreat to my place in the mountains if shit goes down.
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Yea me too. But wait! There are no mountains where I live :(

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Thanks for that.. very easy to read .. 5 stars!!

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with the solar storm we are expecting...
5* and pin suggest
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Thank you Enchanted and Nin hf
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with the solar storm we are expecting...
5* and pin suggest
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I suggested...then realized I was a mod lol
Facts are stubborn things;
and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

We can never shed our sins and regrets, only accumulate more, a burden that we grow and carry until our deaths. The best we can do is learn to live with ourselves, to accommodate our pasts

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well done and easy to understand!

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Will this also affect smaller devices like watches, phones or flashlights?
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with the solar storm we are expecting...
5* and pin suggest
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I suggested...then realized I was a mod lol
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chuckle
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Will never happen from these.. GROW UP>
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Will never happen from these.. GROW UP>
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sounds like it is, if this is true:

Thread: ***Significant solar storm headed to Earth*** (Page 2)
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A 2008 study by Metatech found that the time required to obtain a replacement for any one of the 370 or so largest transformers in the United States was 3 years. In a solar superstorm that affects vulnerable areas of the entire world, delivery times could easily be much longer. The United States, which currently has no capability to manufacture those transformers, will be at the end of a very long waiting line. There are some companies in the United States that certainly have the capability of moving up from the ability to manufacture medium-sized power grid transformers to the capability of manufacturing even the largest transformers. So far, that capability has not been developed. Since such a expansion of manufacturing capability requires a lot of electrical power, the capability cannot be developed after an electromagnetic catastrophe. The capability has to be developed before there is an actual critical need. In recent months, two companies have expressed the intention of getting back into the large transformer business, but it will take a considerable length of time to develop this capability fully.


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Does anyone remember all the transformers exploding and burning a few moths ago? Makes sense if you read this doesn't it?
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Listen up.

If we seen an EMP from the sun, there is not a clamping device on Earth that can clamp that fast. In addition, the grid has substations all over the USA. They can be manually controlled and remote controlled. All the computers connected to the remote substations and all the solid state switching gear will get fried. Only small villages and towns will have power, mostly villages or cities where hydro dams are located, but what good is it if most your IC electronics are fried.

Keep this in mind and do not forget this.

-Nuclear reactors use pumps to send water through the reactors.
-NRC law says this power must come from the grid
-When the grid fails, the pumps get their power from backup generators.
-Most generators are lowest bidder generators, and are garbage.
-In 2003 when the east coast when down, around 14 reactors had issues with their backup generators. The grid came up in the nick of time.
- VERY IMPORTANT! even if the generators hold, there is only 7 days of diesel fuel on site. 7 DAYS!. Imagine trying to get fuel into a nuke plant WITH NO GRID? NO FUEL STATIONS? No cell phones? (cell phones go down when the grid goes).

It will take great men doing great things to make this happen. At all costs we must do the following.

1) Get the grid back up as fast as possible.
2) Get fuel assembly lines to the backup generators
3) Use teamwork like never before. Take leadership if need be. EDUCATE one another on the conditions.
4) Ignore "authorities" and people take and keep control of their own cities (look at what "authorities" are doing to the Japanese...
5) Use geiger counters at all times.
6) Have and take Potassium iodide.

The women will need to bring food to the men, the youth will need to take care of the home, and the men will need to be Johnny on the spot. TEAM WORK. ADAPT and OVERCOME.
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Will this also affect smaller devices like watches, phones or flashlights?
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Digital watches & clocks, etc... possibly (only if 'the big one' hits us, however).

Not likely flashlights -- they may burn out a bulb, but theoretically since they are strictly mechanical devices... replace the bulb and you hsould be good to go.
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Will never happen from these.. GROW UP>
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sounds like it is, if this is true:

Thread: ***Significant solar storm headed to Earth*** (Page 2)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1312516

Well Here is the CME Video
[link to www.youtube.com]
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Listen up.

If we seen an EMP from the sun, there is not a clamping device on Earth that can clamp that fast. In addition, the grid has substations all over the USA. They can be manually controlled and remote controlled. All the computers connected to the remote substations and all the solid state switching gear will get fried. Only small villages and towns will have power, mostly villages or cities where hydro dams are located, but what good is it if most your IC electronics are fried.

Keep this in mind and do not forget this.

-Nuclear reactors use pumps to send water through the reactors.
-NRC law says this power must come from the grid
-When the grid fails, the pumps get their power from backup generators.
-Most generators are lowest bidder generators, and are garbage.
-In 2003 when the east coast when down, around 14 reactors had issues with their backup generators. The grid came up in the nick of time.
- VERY IMPORTANT! even if the generators hold, there is only 7 days of diesel fuel on site. 7 DAYS!. Imagine trying to get fuel into a nuke plant WITH NO GRID? NO FUEL STATIONS? No cell phones? (cell phones go down when the grid goes).

It will take great men doing great things to make this happen. At all costs we must do the following.

1) Get the grid back up as fast as possible.
2) Get fuel assembly lines to the backup generators
3) Use teamwork like never before. Take leadership if need be. EDUCATE one another on the conditions.
4) Ignore "authorities" and people take and keep control of their own cities (look at what "authorities" are doing to the Japanese...
5) Use geiger counters at all times.
6) Have and take Potassium iodide.

The women will need to bring food to the men, the youth will need to take care of the home, and the men will need to be Johnny on the spot. TEAM WORK. ADAPT and OVERCOME.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1107716


Well, maybe it's even a better idea to just shut all the nuclear power plants down when we still have the time and live in the dark, then wait till it's to late and all radiate to death! (...and glow in the dark)
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Space weather "storms" can cause problems on Earth. They can even mess up our systems that make electricity and that deliver electricity to peoples' houses. Sometimes really big space weather storms can cause massive blackouts over large areas. In March of 1989 six million people in eastern Canada lost their electrical power for nine hours because of really big space weather storm.

 Quoting: ~Andariel~


Here is the link:

[link to www.windows2universe.org]

It has some other good info for people not up on this stuff too (like me).
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So they say it would take between 3 to 10 years to "get the grid back up," and replace all those transformers, etc.

Now that's going to be mighty difficult to do with NO POWER, isn't it?

No power means no fuel is transported, no one has any gas, cars don't run, people starve because food isn't delivered, no one can even GET to the transformers, they can't MAKE transformers, they can't DELIVER transformers to the US except by horse 'n buggy.

Yet -- during this period of no power, and consequently no food or services -- we're expected to believe they could actually fix all of this?

wtf
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It took NINE HOURS to repair the damage last time...
(read the post)
Wow I might miss a whole day of work...
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if not already linked or viewed; this is interesting (if you don't already have enough financial doom today) and have the time for the full story:

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Kewl thread....the grids are always stressed during the hot season...could very well happen..never hurts to be prepared....it will happen eventually
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Listen up.

If we seen an EMP from the sun, there is not a clamping device on Earth that can clamp that fast. In addition, the grid has substations all over the USA. They can be manually controlled and remote controlled. All the computers connected to the remote substations and all the solid state switching gear will get fried. Only small villages and towns will have power, mostly villages or cities where hydro dams are located, but what good is it if most your IC electronics are fried.

Keep this in mind and do not forget this.

-Nuclear reactors use pumps to send water through the reactors.
-NRC law says this power must come from the grid
-When the grid fails, the pumps get their power from backup generators.
-Most generators are lowest bidder generators, and are garbage.
-In 2003 when the east coast when down, around 14 reactors had issues with their backup generators. The grid came up in the nick of time.
- VERY IMPORTANT! even if the generators hold, there is only 7 days of diesel fuel on site. 7 DAYS!. Imagine trying to get fuel into a nuke plant WITH NO GRID? NO FUEL STATIONS? No cell phones? (cell phones go down when the grid goes).

It will take great men doing great things to make this happen. At all costs we must do the following.

1) Get the grid back up as fast as possible.
2) Get fuel assembly lines to the backup generators
3) Use teamwork like never before. Take leadership if need be. EDUCATE one another on the conditions.
4) Ignore "authorities" and people take and keep control of their own cities (look at what "authorities" are doing to the Japanese...
5) Use geiger counters at all times.
6) Have and take Potassium iodide.

The women will need to bring food to the men, the youth will need to take care of the home, and the men will need to be Johnny on the spot. TEAM WORK. ADAPT and OVERCOME.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1107716


Damn right, you women back to the kitchen and make me a samdwich, damn it!!!

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