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Last minute tips for parents when the SHTF

 
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Indications of Drought Severity: The Death of Freshwater Marine Life

[link to thinkprogress.org]
[link to www.koaa.com]
[link to radio.foxnews.com]
[link to phys.org]

Everyone who's interested in fishing, consumes freshwater fish from the groceries, or is prepping should read the stories above.

There has been widespread fish kills as a result of low water levels, extreme temperature, and increased algae counts which interfere with the water conditions that are productive for marine life.

Anyone who's interested in prepping has been counting on freshwater resources as places for protein from fish, but also water snakes, and turtles. Even the lowest dwelling bottom feeders are being killed by the dramatic changes.

In addition these reservoirs are sources of water that might have been used for use after chemical treatment and purification.

Since the reservoirs also feed a lot of game animals who are dependent upon them, we can expect some of this Spring's new creatures won't make it, and so hunting will be adversely affected.

All things are connected in Nature. All of this bodes ill for anyone concerned about a collapse.
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Lots of news clips of some of the global weather effects we've had in the last year. The video above talks both about the Drought and the effects on marine life. A long last drought is one of the worst case scenarios: lack of water to sustain life, death of species of wildlife and livestock, loss to agriculture, higher food prices, economic uncertainty from rivers that can't be used as well for barges, etc.

Lots of good videos at that youtube channel: fidockave213
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As the global economic crisis continues, it will become apparent and pragmatic to purchase additional inexpensive food products. You also should be purchasing first aid items too. There are many fine lists of items to purchase. You need not spend a fortune. For the most frugal folks, I would recommend purchasing fishing tackle boxes as they are the easiest to carry around and have lost of separate compartments.

Many things should be included: vitamins, calcium, iron. Salt and salt substitute (potassium chloride) for making Oral Rehydration Solution. Or course Imodium (Loperamide) as it's essential to end diarrhea sometimes, although running its course will eliminate the anaerobic bacteria causing the distress. Tea tree oil is one of those magical cures since it treats so many medical condition. It's a fungicide, kills some viruses, and practically all bacteria. Of course cheap hydrogen peroxide since it doesn't sting, kills many bacteria, and can be used to irrigate a superficial wound. Betadine (Povidone-iodine) to clear a wound and antibiotic ointments for the skin and eyes.

Finger splints are cheap and just as common sense anyways since a lot of people are not used to heavy labor and will hurt themselves this way. ACE bandages are essential for sprains especially twisted ankles. Often crutches can be purchased at garage sales for almost nothing.

[link to www.youtube.com]
She has spend a lot of time and careful thought on this issue.
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Essential Equipment

A tarp is one of those light items that can be used for a 101 things while roughing it. Here's a link:
[link to www.shtfblog.com]

And here's a video to make a Yukon backpack from one:


It might be that you don't have time to grab a tent and haul it with you, but a tarp can be used to make a simple pack from it, then use it to get out of wet weather, even if it's only draped over you and your loved one.

If the tarp is clean and pristine, then it can be used to collect rainwater and then funnel if into a container.

A tarp can be laid down on a future garden spot and this keeps the weeds from growing since they can undergo photosynthesis.

A tarp can be used to drape over firewood to keep the snow and rain off it.

Don't skimp on price, but purchase a stout one that will last a while. Cheaper ones are thinner and prone to tearing.
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Collecting and re-planting Groundnuts (Apios americana)

When we have a collapse, it will be vital to know how to gather wild edibles, but it also will be essential to learn how to plant and replenish the edibles we harvested. By doing so, it means we know the location of the next harvest, as well as avoiding competing plants that like the same environmental niche (like poison ivy exposure) as the groundnut.

Here's an excellent link in which Green Dean explains the historical and current nutritional use of the groundnut. It grows across more than half of the USA, and so it can easily be located. It grows in a consistent pattern, and is easily harvested. Since it's been used the First People as a staple, it's proven its ability to fortify human nutrition as well as ease of collection. It has three times the protein of a potato too, so very important for supplementing the diet versus the relative energy use to catch wild game.
[link to www.eattheweeds.com]

He devoted two videos to locating and preparing it. Latex compounds are found within it, so it must be carefully boiled and further cooked to consume it.




There have been agricultural studies of Apois americana being deliberately cultivated.
[link to www.hort.purdue.edu]

While it can be converted to a flour, realize that the more one uses up calories in a survival situation, the less benefit for your nutrition. That slim margin make accumulate to keep you alive another month! Sure, variety and different cooking methods may make things taste better, but that may be an extraordinary luxury.

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The general rule of thumb is to expend the minimal amount of calories, use the minimal amount of cooking (except cooking meat for killing bacteria and parasites), and minimal amount of preparation (like milling grains and creating tools for this use). By doing so, far less will have to be gathered or grown to sustain life.

Chances are if you were wise enough to know what can be collected in their seasons, and knew the best cooking methods, and even had an abundance, that it wouldn't be in sufficient amounts to sustain life over the long haul. This is why many small tribes were nomadic before agricultural and animal husbandry practices prevailed.
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More about groundnuts

Here's a link which discusses the historical attempt to cultivate the Groundnut during the Irish potato famine. It isn't cultivated as a potato. Realize that many wild plants enjoy natural companion relationships with other plants that grow in its niche. That means that it's possible that in order to cultivate it, you might have to also grow similar plants OR encourage it's growth by not overharvesting an area and deliberating going back to harvest in that area each year.
[link to www.orionmagazine.org]

[link to www.permies.com]

This link provides its important nutritional profile. It also explains that in pregnancy one must be careful of eating too much of it. There are medical benefits from eating it too, as well as precautions for those with pre-existing conditions.

[link to www.onlyfoods.net]

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As a side note, since it produces some latex, it might be used as a community resource during preparation. Similarly, the common dandelion produces latex, and so it could collected and utilized for say making paint.
[link to opensourceecology.org]
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Drought and obstructions in river channels

In order for barges to traverse rivers, the channel must be deep enough to safely navigate, be wide enough to pass, and/or dredging must be done to allow this to happen, or reduce the capacity of the barge so that it's more buoyant. All of these things are being tried:
[link to www.nytimes.com]

The Mississippi River is so low that it's approaching the historic low set in 1988. Because there are narrow gaps where it's very tight to navigate now, we're having river jams were one blocked barged is causing major backups of scores of barges. That's all it takes.

In addition, the reduced water levels is causing issues with bridge construction since equipment and supplies cannot get to the construction zone.

Most sheeple think, who cares? Well, it's having a significant economic impact for transportation and the supply chain. It might very well impact coal fired utilities, or chemical treatment of water. If we get bad snow in certain zones this Winter, then it's possible they'll be delays in salt to those areas.
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Rising meat and soybean prices

We know that beef and pork prices are going to rise long term due to the limited availability (and hence very high livestock feed prices). In the interim, some farmers may sell off livestock, and you may see a short term lowering of meat. If one canned that meat, rather than freezing it, it would be an excellent long term protein source.
[link to www.bloomberg.com]

[link to www.cbsnews.com]

[link to lacrossetribune.com]

Because corn and soybeans are common food additives in almost every packaged food product, the food inflation will be widespread.
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much appreciated - thank you.
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Finding something edible no matter what...Wild Grass Seed

The aborigines of Australia used to harvest wild grass seeds, crush them with a crude mill...much like a mortar and pestle.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
It was called Bush Bread, and not only did it sustain life, it wasn't terrible to eat. If it's well winnowed, then it's going to taste better obviously. Anyone who's read about the tares in the wheat field in the Bible, we'll smile as you'll be eating ONLY tares (wild grasses) and hence it won't be as delicious.

All tribal people that have meadows have harvested wild grass seed to make a cereal. Personally, I think it's far easier to simply gather it, add hot water, and eat it that way rather than going to all the trouble to make a flatbread out of it. In a survival situation, you don't want to waste calories by trying to make it taste like bread when it's NOT bread. It won't rise as it has no gluten anyway.

Here Joe from the Joe and Zack Survival channel is using a blender to grind it fast. Then it could be added to egula flour to stretch it.

All grasses will "seed" if uncut and allowed enough time to form proper seedheads. Then you'd simply collect them over the late spring and summer and early autumn (depends upon if you have Indian Summer...i.e. a warmer than normal Autumn).

If one combined this with dandelion, plantains, violets, then you'd most like get much of your nutrients, but of course would be short of certain amino acids and malnourished. Still, you'd survive until you could vary your diet, and hopefully find some wild game, fish, turtles, frogs, insects, etc to get all of the essential amino acids.

Remember too to harvest red and white clover blossoms as those also contain a lot of protein and nutrients. Most likely your neighbors won't be harvesting these, so it gives you a local food source that can be found almost anywhere.
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Pretty long last minute....

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All this has happened before, and will happen again.
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Desert Fruitcake
[link to www.hollowtop.com]
It was common for the Ute Native Americans and other tribes to gather grasshopper and crickets, dry these, and then crush them into a powder. It's essentially all protein mixed in with a little chitin. Then they would add milled wild grass seeds, and whatever berries (like choke cherries), and now you have a pemmican that you can add a little water to and a survival food.

Don't laugh. Thank goodness the secret was passed down, for it saved the life of lots of Mormons. Similarly lots of First people taught Western European immigrants how to do this, and it was a supplemental food for them too.
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Dealing with Intestinal Gas

A topic that no doubt will make everyone laugh hysterically, that is until you have the problem yourself. As people age, we make less digestive enzymes. The foods we once could eat, now are problematic. In a survival situation, you'll be eating a LOT of foods that you're not used to. Not only will you feel squeamish about consuming them, but you'll have a lot of aftereffects like intestinal gas.

As much as possible, you'll want to mix in these food items with whatever you have stored, and in essence be camouflaging the wild edibles from other members of your tribe that are finicky. Regardless, you're going to have lots of bouts of both diarrhea and intestinal gas. The former can become serious and you must be anticipating it. The latter can be a nuisance, and easily treated by brewing a tea of peppermint. Peppermint can be gathered almost anywhere in my region. It's easy to identify and has a distinctive smell. It aids digestion, but it won't prevent the issue since realistically that problem is due to lack of digestive enzymes. Unless you're planning on lots of Beano or a generic that contains alpha galactosidase, then this is the best alternative option.

Having a good store of Gas-x or similar (Simethicone containing generics) is very important for the first aid supply. Imagine having severe abdominal pain and trying to go forage, hunt, chop wood, etc?
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Vital crops for a post-collapse world: Sweet Sorghum

A crop that will become immensely important in a post-collapse world will be sweet sorghum. It doesn't produce a true molasses, but creates its own variety of sweetener. Since the food produces an intense molasses which then can be consumed for high energy output, or can be used as livestock feed, or can be converted to ethanol, this underutilized food source will again be grown across much of the world.

Sweet sorghum is drought resistant, has a wide growing area, and will grow in clay. The main reason it isn't grown today is that it's labor intensive to express the "juice" from the cane.

I urge you to consider the location of sweet sorghum grown around you in order to trade for seed in the future, or a better plan is to buy some seed now. The going price in many places is 10lbs for about $7.50...a very minor investment indeed.

[link to www.ca.uky.edu]
[link to www.ces.uga.edu]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.kerrcenter.com]
[link to www.syrupmakers.com]

Imagine being the only one in your area with a sugar-like product. It would be extremely valuable.
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Sweet sorghum being expressed by crushing the cane.


As you can see, it's a very simple procedure that could be done relatively ease by all human labor.
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Drought and wildlife
[link to www.omaha.com]

Here's a short article which details some of the aftereffects of the current drought which are now adversely affecting all of the species which reside in those areas.

As water sources diminish, then naturally like good hunter/gatherers, the animals and insects will migrate to what few water sources they can find. This helps hunters in the short term as the animals will congregate there, relocating them to what few watering holes remain, even artificial ones. Of course water can be found in food too, so animals will seek out watered gardens and whatever is hanging on the vine, or pooling beneath plants.

Seeds and insects form the basis for a big portion of animal diet, so when those die or don't form or are in lesser abundance, then animals will relocate or die. You may see far more animals moving into human populated areas looking for any food sources, with raccoons becoming more of a nuisance than you'd see ordinarily.

The main issues isn't this fall, but the lasting effects leading into the next Spring. If lots of species die, then it will take time for the next generation to build back up again. This means diminished hunting and fishing. I'd imagine to see lots of weak deer this Autumn as food sources are scarce...and roughly crippled deer in the Winter.
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Easy to identify wild edibles: Fiddleheads
[link to www.livestrong.com]
[link to umaine.edu]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It's common in northern climates for the local populace to harvest early shoots of ferns which produce a tasty shoot called a fiddlehead. The food has traditionally been eaten in Western Europe as well as by Native American tribes. Because it's almost goof-proof, it's an excellent food that you should be gathering in a collapse. It produces protein, omega 3 and 6 fatty acids, contains Iron, Phosphorous, Vitamin A, and so it's a delicious treat that provides good nutrition too. The main issue is not overharvesting it when starving. It can be abumndantly found in moist shady areas where ferns have been seen in the Summer.

The main idea with foraging is to learn from an elder in order to avoid issues with misidentification. Slowly learning on your own by careful comparison with books, videos, and then carefully doing field study will pay off with edible food later. Almost anyone can identify fiddleheads based upon the curly form found in the early Spring.
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Drought and the effect on trees

There are some scattered news reports on the death of trees as a result of the drought. This is a very dire sign as trees pull from deep underground because of their deep subterranean root system.

Because of tree physiology and simple physics, water will flow to areas of least concentration, and in effect it helps the surround plants to survive. Not only does a tree provide lumber, medicine, and fruit, seeds, or nuts, but in addition it creates a micro-climate in its immediate area. In addition, it serves as a windbreak to protect the rest of the area, reduce soil erosion, and creates a habitat for numerous species of wildlife and insects.

Wildfires are occurring due to seasonal issues plus the drought now. Ordinarily, some fires are beneficial, as it can create a hardier tree, but with the exacerbated weather conditions due to lack of moisture, many of these trees that wouldn't usually die...will now.

The death of trees will make survival post-collapse quite difficult. Many tree crops are important not only for future generations of wildlife, but in addition for humanity.

Pray for rain.
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Links on trees and the drought:
[link to extension.umass.edu]
[link to www.annarbor.com]

Right now, many trees will have reduced photosynthesis from leaf death, and less stored starch production. Both will effect the trees' ability to use stored energy during Winter.
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Links on trees and the drought:
[link to extension.umass.edu]
[link to www.annarbor.com]

Right now, many trees will have reduced photosynthesis from leaf death, and less stored starch production. Both will effect the trees' ability to use stored energy during Winter.
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Thank you for the info...
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Pretty long last minute....

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Enjoy it whilst we have it!






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Pretty long last minute....

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Enjoy it whilst we have it!

Thank you Mz TreeChick and old guard. Here's a repost of something I wrote a year ago about a slow decline versus rapid chaos as the SHTF. People expect things to switch in some binary fashion from normalcy to SHTF. Of course, this rarely happens....

Gradual Decline

While it's possible that when the SHTF it will occur all at once, I seriously doubt that will be the case. Most of the time, when anarchy raises its ugly head, it comes on through various signs, ratchets up, and then enters our awareness.

We're conditioned by Hollywood. A film must tell a story that will be compelling and make a return on its investment. There are very few films, made by a dedicated group of artists, that are made to tell a story to inspire or educate or to simply evoke an emotional response. The only way such independent films can be made is if those same investors can or will make other money in blockbuster films.

In Hollywood, we see a story that takes place over two hours. There isn't time for a gradually developing story. Such a story would be boring to most of the audience. Even the medium of television generally tells a compelling story within an hour frame work, though many have a gradual overarching theme.

As such, we're conditioned to expect a sudden change in any disaster. That's how it is usually told and revealed on the screen. That portrayal is false. Things don't generally just happen. An earthquake could destroy suddenly, but clues generally occur, infrastructure is not properly built, and preparation not made, and all of these contribute to it.

Do you see any signs that a looming earthquake, such as we have not ever seen, may be coming? Have you built up any infrastructure to help you cope? Have you prepared in any way that is adequate to the task?

Fear

Fear is the least effective motivator of preparation. Why is that?

Part of it, is that is foolish. Bad things happen. Sometimes they happen randomly. Assigning import to random events and making a conclusion based upon it, is extremely flawed.

Fear generates exhaustion. Every time you spike your adrenaline, you get a burst of energy, but then, tiredness follows. Do a cycle of this over and over in wasted fear, will lead to exhaustion and a lack of resolve in preparing.

Buying odd things that we do not need, will not help us, and may waste our income, is not preparation. Many of us have less income today than we normally do. Our spouses are watching, as are our children. Wasting money and effort at this point is folly. Suddenly buying a year of rice or beans if our families do not eat rice and beans will strike them as odd behaviour. It is.

I eat what I buy. I don't buy food that is expensive generally. I might on rare occasions. I eat rice and beans to save money. It is ordinary behaviour for me. Eating prudently and not wasting God's resources is a life choice. That hasn't happened suddenly, but gradually, and goes back to my early adulthood.

What does preparation mean?

People think preparation implies a future event. NO NO NO. We should be constantly preparing. It is about the now, not the future.

Living in the now implies the importance of the present. What is occurring now is vital. The person in my life is important now. My friends are important now. The people I disagree and don't get along with are important now. God is important now. Jesus is important now.

You are preparing yourself to be the best you can be now. Every act is important now. The kindness that you fail to offer up without hope of return is important now. Lavishing affection and love and friendship on your loved ones is important now.

The skills that you learn today are not set. We all can learn, and we constantly are learning, in a dynamic way to improve ourselves now. Anyone who think they've got it all figured out, don't need to change, and have done enough, have lost the WAY. They are far more lost than anyone lost in the woods.

Figuring out that you have lost the way, or that you are not doing enough, is preparation. You prepare yourself moment by moment. You learn to hunt now so you can take care of yourself and loved ones now. You identify the plants in your immediate area, look for more, read books, take classes, talk to wise ones, because you wish to live more fully and completely in the love of the Source...NOW.

You take care of the body that the Source gave you, right now, not waiting for a more opportune moment to do so. With every breath, you draw closer to a final time to be with the Source. Now is the time, not later as you grow weaker.

You know what folly is? We want to be accepted by people and valued and loved. That is all good. We want however for them to like and love us BEFORE we transform into whatever better self we can be.
Do you do that with the ones around you? Do you accept them for who they are, and who they are becoming? Or do you wish they would get over themselves and grow up?

A lot of people criticize others. They see the things in themselves that they most despise, project that in the things that others do, and hate them for it. Why? It is wasted effort.

What possible importance is that? Spend that time which is now wasted, make yourself better, now.

If you don't like someone, what they represent, and its perceived affect on you, then do something now to minimize their effect on you. There will always be _____. I hope and pray that my limits of wisdom don't ever obfuscate the fact that whatever philosophy or spiritual beliefs that I possess are NOT so superior that I am the pinnacle of the Source's creation.

There are billions of souls on this planet. Someone is better than you. Get over it. If someone is better than you, you are better than someone else. Who cares? Who is better is not important.

A huge amount of time, effort, and money is spent on adoring some entertainer or sports figure. Do a little reading. They often have so much attention, so much adoration, so much wealth, that they self-destruct. The illusion falls away. They were not better than us. Instead we often feel a momentary sadness for their tragedy. More money, lavish lifestyles, and more adoration doesn't make us happier.

When you adopt a sense of the now, and are constantly preparing to make yourself better, you spend a lot of time thinking. The more that you prepare, the more you wish to pass along the information. You realize how important these skills are. You realize how inadequate you are to the task. You realize the immensity of Creation. The interconnectedness of all things.

You become aware of a deep abiding Love and Grace. I call that the Source. It is a well of living water. Sometimes I wake with tears of gratitude. I feel so humbled that such a Presence knows my name.

Is it a delusion? If it is, and I live my whole life being kind, as good as I can be, share my love without hope of return, and teach others about the Source, but don't impose my will on them, what does it matter if it is a delusion?

What is a greater delusion? Taking money from another to have more toys is far worse. Despising another based on who they love, what they believe, and imposing my philosophy and spiritual beliefs on them. That is a wretched delusion.

You cannot change the past. We have very little control of the future. You can only prepare for the now. Live in the now. Teach your children to love completely now. Do it yourself.




hf rockon
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The vital importance of drip irrigation

Because we imagine that water will always be there, we waste water. Spend two weeks camping without a nearby water source, and you'll carefully manage every drop.

One way to water your garden most efficiently is rainwater drip irrigation systems. They s l o w l y add water in a tiny trickle right where the plants need the moisture and minimize losses from evaporation. Here's one such method using rainwater as the water source, something that is not allowed in many Western states now. Hard to imagine the state can own any rainwater that falls on your property, something that should raise the eyebrows of anyone giving a moment's consideration about it.
[link to www.instructables.com]

Of course, you can switch over to a regular water city water source too. Something can be rigged up much cheaper with soaker hoses, but won't be as long lasting.
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Making water pumps


This kind is used in many 3rd world nations and cobbled together from scrap. It's also called a Veleropompe.


Making one from various inexpensive pvc and ball bearings. 9 parts to that series.

Yes, of course you can use a simple water pump powered by a solar array trickle charging a marine deep cycle battery too.
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Must move on from the Megadoom number - don't want our Cantonese friends freaked out.
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DO YOUR CHILDREN KNOW WHAT TO DO IF THERE IS A GENERAL CATASTROPHE AND THEY ARE NOT WITH YOU?

They may be miles away in school when an EMP knocks out all electricity or a gigantic solar flare takes out communication systems.

You will probably only have one chance to pick them up, make it count.

Some schools have lockdown protocols in the event of catastrophic emergencies and may not be willing to release the child even to the parent. Or, your child may be forcibly removed to another "safer" location without your knowledge or permission. Do you know your school's policy?

What if your child started to WALK HOME and you couldn't find them? Think it through, what would you do? Do they know what to do?

What if the roads are closed? What if martial law is suddenly instituted?

How much does it matter if you purchased antibiotics and a backpack and hiking boots if YOU CAN'T GET TO YOUR KIDS?
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Here's a link to the SODIS site which details all the best practices for cleaning and purifying water by using whatever methods have been successfully implemented.
[link to fundacionsodis.org]
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A reminder for anyone in leadership post-collapse: remember that while any pharmacies will have some medicines still on the shelves, the local farmers cooperatives will also have animal antibiotics and medicines, many of which are similarly composed of the very same components (sometimes exactly the same as for humans but far cheaper but without perhaps the same quality control and assurance), and by utilizing pharmacists and veterinarians, you could create a short term supply.

Good leadership can quickly allocate local materials to create ways of neighborhood purification for water too, by scavenging available resources.

Otherwise... it will be bedlam in the absence of strong leadership.

People don't starve all at once. Many people can live on a reduced diet for a long time, though of course the will be malnourished and hence depressed immune systems and a occurrence of old nutritional maladies. We know from people on hunger strikes that they can live a long time, as long as their amount of physical activity is minimal.
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Useful edible plants: Pawpaws

Right now across much of the US, during the months of September and October, pawpaws will be ripening in pastures and meadowlands. Since the fruit grows very low, you'll be competing with any wild game or insects.

It's a prolific plant in Nature and produces an abundant harvest when it decides it wants to, and that irregularity coupled with a poor ability for shipping makes pawpaws not a routine grocery item. It spoils in three days, but they should be picked green anyway to ensure you beat out the critters to the prize. Of course they'll stay fresh in a refrigerated condition (like a Zeer pot in a survival situation), or they can be dried as a powder.

The taste is similar to a mango/banana, and not entirely like either. Because the pawpaw contains ALL the essential amino acids for humans, it should be a part of your diet. It also contains sugars as fructose plus calories as other carbs, so it's nutritional profile is similar to a banana too. It has been historically dried by the First People as a stored food, much as bananas have been, and so it can be a source of sugar or sweetener. Because of that, it's been made into a beer or wine too by the pioneers.



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It's been documented that it can be found in 26 of the US states, along the South. Since nothing else looks like it, it's one of those easily identified fruits like a persimmon that beginners can easily forage for. Why not look in your region to see if it grows around your area?
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More on the pawpaw

[link to www.pawpaw.kysu.edu]

This link provides the nutritional data from an academic source to let you see that it's a great food to consume. Note however that some people are allergic to it, just as any food item. Also, if prone to depression, eating a lot of it could worsen symptoms. Dried pawpaw was and is used today as a component in lice medication, so it definitely would be beneficial for this feature alone in a post-collapse with overcrowding and less than hygienic living conditions.

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