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Last minute tips for parents when the SHTF

 
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Sharpening

One of the easiest sharpeners is the The Spyderco Tri-Angle 204MF Sharpener. I have found that I can teach young children how to safely and correctly sharpen many tools with it since it includes brass rods to protect their fingers.

In tribal societies in which sharp implements are common, far less accidents occur. Accidents happen because most people DON'T use tool, and so they don't have a healthy respect for sharp edges or heavy ones falling on unprotected feet.

This tool is a great investment. Yes, you can sharpen without it, but this one keeps the basic angle uniform through the motion. It typically costs around ~$90. I have seen is for ~$50 too.



Listen, he tells you how to use existing sandpaper grits to get very fine sharpening done on the cheap.

It will sharpen most of the tools that the average person needs to work on.
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Manure and dealing with garbage

(I deleted several postings, and so I'm trying to re-write several of them in order to provide you with that information again.)

Animal manure is a resource when living in a rural environment. Animal fecal matter has traditionally been harvest to compost into farmland or gardens. It enriches the soil by adding back in the Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and Potash that are the chief soil additives that are needed. These are typically added in the autumn after the harvest, and helped by the lack of soil disturbance plus the overwintering process. The manure naturally is washed by the action of Autumn rains, the snow of Winter, and the subsequent Spring rains.

The typical manure spread is either rabbit, horse, or cow. Pig feces can “cook” very hot and it can actually start a spontaneous combustion fire.

If cows are present, then there's usually an abundance of cow manure, so much so that it needs to be dealt with. If not, then it can run off into local lakes and streams. Pig often live in very congested unnatural corporate farms; chickens do as well. All must be managed in order to protect drinking wells. You sure don't want high bacteria counts in either the animals drinking water, nor the humans who live nearby.

Cow manure is ideal as a renewable fuel source for burning as heat. If overwintered, it burns clean with low ashes and with high BTUs produced. Often other plant waste products are added to the cow patties in 3rd world nations in order to create a common size of burning, plus usefully burn waste material that can't be composted as easily. However, there's a big potential for introducing anaerobic bacteria into microcracks in the skin, so it's not recommended.

Rabbit manure is ideal as a composted manure in the garden. Since rabbits are one of the easiest to raise, sometimes worm beds are designed to help compost their manure beneath their beds. Then you have good creatures to add into your soil as well as fishing bait.

Human waste is another issue entirely. Typically urine is separated from solid waste. I've previously written on saving human urine for inexpensively improving your garden, but only after chemically testing the soil to see what is needed. You could accidentally change the pH or add too much of certain soil amenities by accident.

Over time you'll see a natural reduction in soil levels based upon which plants are being raised. Some plants like peanuts improve the soil. Other plants like tobacco are heavy feeders and so you cannot simply add the same amount of fertilizer without testing.

Human feces are a major disease vector. Probably the safest way of dealing with them is to convert some of it to biogas digestion and therefore create methane. This must be carefully done as that's a combustible fuel. That's the idea, because if you have methane, you can use it to power a generator as a fuel source, or you can burn it as a cooking fuel. This is a far safer way of getting rid of toxic waste than mere composting.

However pre-collapse there are high concentrations of people but no agriculture. That means that some composting of human feces will inevitably occur as a soil additive. This means that composting toilets must be part of a community project. It's expensive to build individual outdoor toilets for a single family x the number of people living in a community. It's also a sanitation nightmare to create all of these and then maintain them (or probably not maintain them and deal with leaking septic systems).

Usually two things must carefully be managed: burial space and garbage space. Doing so will ensure less health risk, cleaner water, and better organization. Centralizing these areas ensures that people use them.

In any event, biosand filters are used on the well water regardless. Since you won't be able to test for coliform bacteria, you must filter your well water to remove 97% of them, and therefore reduce the major risks of dysentery and cholera besides lots of rarer issues.

Without organization, stench is created and rats and high insect populations. These are major considerations to cope with in order to also prevent ancillary effects of improper sanitation plus disease vectors on their own. The higher the concentration of a population, the lower the carrying capacity. Most likely populations higher than 500 cannot live within an area without seeing very negative effects.

Wherever the burial or garbage space is located, it will drain somewhere. That means unless you want the next community over to end up at war with you over your runoff, then you'd better plan well. Since you'll inevitably trade with them, it's in your best interest to minimize the negative effect on the landscape at large.

Here is a link to several composting toilet plans. I found better ones before, one that specifically noted to produce the best digestion of solid waster, plus safety, plus less insect issues, plus better smell, plus diversion of urine. I'll continue to look for it.
[link to www.pacificwater.org]

Here's links to Tom Culhane's work on biogas/power generation/composting/a whole lot of practical knowledge on field studies in places like Peru and India where he's set up working models. Real world application is worth 10 times theoretical studies.
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Mr. Culhane's politics are diametrically opposed to my own, but regardless he's a brilliant man and a humanitarian too.

Much of what we consider garbage is NOT garbage in a post-collapse. In that case, glass, paper, plastic, and metal will be recycled.

Food scraps can mostly be composted for gardening. To increase the speed of composting, using a garbage disposal powered briefly from a solar backup generator will chop it up minutely to spread the surface area for bacteria to digest. Having lots of compost piles may not be beneficial for water runoff.
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Ways to naturally fertilize your garden

Since plants need the basic chemical ingredients that are found in urine and manure, and we need to get rid of these items, it only makes sense in a collapse to do it.

As previously detailed in other postings, urine is as good or superior to chemical fertilizer. It produces excellent blooms for the plant due to potash levels, and the nitrogen is equally necessary for their growth. Since we need to grow as much as possible in a small space, we must fertilize it to get high yields.

Urine must be diluted or it will be too much for the plants. This means that you need to set up a rainwater collection system too.


You could add the urine to your compost pile as well. Urine is safe to add since it usually is sterile. Human fecal matter isn't and contains harmful bacteria. Never mix human solid waste and urine at the same time, or it will slow down bacteria counts and not digest well.


Here's how to compost horse manure in a minimal amount of time: 30 days. Using the black sheet in this method and not introducing a lot of green matter means faster composting.


If one used a garbage disposal, then chopping up the material fine will produce very fast composting since it comes out like a soup.

To power it, you'd need an inverter connected to power it from a dc battery. This is very possible if you have a solar power trickle charger for the battery.

Composting human manure is a length process. I don't recommend it for a tribe of any size. It takes two years, and a lot can happen with soil leaching in two years. It also typically involves a ton of sawdust, something that is difficult to create without power tools post-collapse.


30 days for composted horse manure. Two years for human manure. Big different, right?
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Luxury items for barter post-collapse

If one can make ethanol, one can certainly make a lot of trades post-collapse. Of course that's common sense. An alternative, I think is perfume and cologne. Long-term after a collapse, these two items will be very rare. Taking a small portion (½ pint) of vodka and adding a few drops of common essential oils, one can make them. Excellent and inexpensive essential oils like bergamont, sandlewood, ylang ylang, orange, lemon, cedar, etc could be purchased for a small amount of money. If one could raise potatoes, then this could be distilled with less concern than producing ethanol and could be sold in small containers.

This vodka could be made with far less worry about charcoal filtration or precise temperatures.

Sweat doesn't ordinarily smell. What smells in body odor is bacteria. One way to eliminate this bacteria is apple cider vinegar. People who can make it, can sell it for this purpose as well as the more practical use of pickling vegetables. Likewise a way to naturally take care of this is to soak pine needles in water and apply this lightly under the arms.

Still that will be common. Being able to “court” people again by smelling nice will be rare.
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Hold ur kids close and reassure them. They r our precious future. Cw
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Luxury items for barter post-collapse: Jojoba oil

If one cannot make ethanol easily, than someone can still make perfume and cologne. These essential oils can be placed in a carrier oil that doesn't have a scent. Jojoba is the very best oil since it mimics the natural oils of the skin.

Here are links on growing jojoba. It naturally grows in arid environments, however it can be grown in the South in the US fairly well. The difficulty is separating male from female plants.
See:
[link to www.armchair.com]
[link to www.hort.purdue.edu]
[link to faculty.ucc.edu]

Jojoba oil alone could be traded as an emollient. With so many people working with their hands and exposed to the elements, a much larger amount of chapping will occur. There's no finer oil for this purpose. Imagine a world devoid of lotions. If you raise jojoba and produce the oil from its seeds, many women and their husbands will trade for it.

Four fluid ounces of 100% jojoba oil sells for around $10 USA today. I'd keep some in preps as it's as cracked skin will definitely happen and only a little goes a long way. Your wife or girlfriend will love you for having a supply.
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Making an oil press
[link to journeytoforever.org]
If one didn't grow jojoba, then potentially one could press sumac berries. Sumac oil can be used to produce an oil that gels at low temperature. It would have the appearance of vaseline at room temperature.
[link to books.google.com]

This could be used as a carrier oil for making perfume.

In addition, as previously discussed, this oil can be used as plant based oil for making soap or candles, the latter a common practice in Japan.

The oil press uses simple parts plus a hydraulic jack to create pressure.
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Natural Family Planning

In a post-collapse, there no longer will be artificial birth control methods to reply upon. Condoms, oral contracpetives, diaphrams and spermicides, all will be unavailable. This means that you'll have to reply upon natural family planning and or artificially altering the pH of the vaginal lining in order to reduce unwanted pregnancies.

Medical Issues
Getting pregnant in a collapse can be very dangerous. First of all one must look to personal medical history. Some women have pre-existing medical conditions that might put both the mother and child in danger. Say a mother has already had a very difficult Caesarian section twice before. Having a child when you know that delivering vaginally will be difficult or impossible is very risky. Someone with out of control diabetes that tries to carry a child will have tremendous hurdles to overcome. Often the baby is much larger when the mother is diabetic, so of course this makes vaginal delivery problemtic. Someone who's had issues with pre-eclampsia could suddenly hemorrhage, losing both patients too.

In today's world, we eat fortified food. There's a reason for this. Many of the food we eat aren't really healthy. Vitamins and minerals are added to make us think that they're natural or healthy.

The primary reason was to ensure that women received adequate folic acid to prevent neural tube defects. As babies form, one of the first things to form is the spinal column and nervous system. Without adequate folic acid, babies could be (and were and are) born with incomplete spinal chords and a host of issues as a result.

There used to be many nutritional deficiencies because people didn't eat adequate foods that provided enough vitamins and minerals. This is why maternity vitamins are given to make sure that the mother and baby(s) get enough to properly develop.

Besides all of that, a lack of enough calcium will mean the only means of getting enough calcium to the baby will come from the mother's own calcium resources like her skeleton and teeth.

In a post-collapse world, there won't be vitamin supplements nor fortified food. In a perfect world with great agriculture and a diverse diet, this wouldn't be an issue. Of course what's more likely to happen is severe malnutrition and even starvation. This is one of many reasons I have hammered away at describing the nutrional content of foods in order that you may best take care of yourselves.
Detection
The second issue with pregnancy is lack of detection. Today we put great faith in early pregnancy tests. These are followed up with a second test at the doctor's office. In a SHTF scenario, there won't be any scientific means of determining pregnancy other than symptoms (vomiting, lack of monthly menstrual flow, a blue cervix, changes in breast development, increased pigmentation on the face, etc). Because this was historically an issue, fortified food laws were passed because one could be pregnant and not know that they needed to eat differently. If you think you're pregnant, and you have a speculum to open your vaginal cavity, then it's possible that someone could inspect it for you. This is why you need detailed medical kits in families with potential child bearing women and equipment. I can only teach you a little.

Mutagens
A third issue is many chemical agents are toxic to a developing baby. Many medications are as well. Because you may be on some medications and not realize that you're pregnant, the baby may have been harmed. Of course tobacco smoking and fetal alcohol syndrome are the two of the most common ones. So is epilepsy medicine.So are some antibiotics, so use care taking them and always considering if taking them is medically necessary, and using alternative antibiotics when possible.

Planning
Not everyone will desire to get pregnant post-collapse. If food is scarce, this is a big problem. Timing may be crucial for people attempting to get from one place to another on foot. You might have just delivered a child, and the last thing you need is a second child on the way.

This means that you have to use the old ways to choose when to have sex based upon three main criteria:
Timing: the rhythm method journaled and charted
Temperature: Basal temperature detected and charted
Touch: Mucus levels detected and charted

See this link for an excellent charting method:
[link to menstruationresearch.org]

These are your main means of reducing unwanted pregnancies. Statistically if you are strict about these three methods, only 1 in 25 will get pregnant. That's the good news. The bad news is most people break the rules or they fail to journal and chart adequately. This takes discipline. Men if you love your partner and or spouse, you will be responsible, understanding, and sensitive. Women you too must be responsible and journal and not break the rules.

Timing
You must learn to listen to your body and notice the signs and chart accordingly. How long does your menstrual flow usually last? Note that and use that as a guide. This may change based upon diet or the lack of adequate diet. To start you should begin NOW to chart, not wait for a collapse. Ideally you need eight months of charting but you won't have that.

If you're currently on oral birth control, then of course your natural pattern has been obfuscated by the addition of excessive hormone ingestion. It will taken months to finally find it's natural equilibrium.

Here's one method taken from the office of Health and Human Services:
[link to www.hhs.gov]

Calendar Method or Rhythm
"To predict the first day you’re likely to be fertile (the most likely time for you to get pregnant if you have unprotected sex) in your new cycle:
You will need your menstrual cycle information from at least the past eight months, a calendar and a pen.
Subtract 18 days from the total days of your shortest cycle. Take that number and count ahead from the very first day of your next period (count the day your period begins).
Example: your shortest cycle lasted 27 days. 27-18= 9 days. On your calendar circle the date your next period starts, and beginning with that day count ahead 9 days. So if you period starts on the 2nd day of the month, you’d count ahead to the 10th day of the month. Put an “X” on the calendar for that day.

To predict the last day you’re likely to be fertile in the cycle:
Subtract 11 days from the total days of your longest cycle. Take that number and count ahead from the very first day of your next period (count the day your period begins).
Example: your longest cycle lasted 29 days. 29-11=18 days. On your calendar circle the date your next period begins, and starting with that day count ahead 18 days. If your period starts on the 2nd day of the month, you’d count ahead to the 19th day of the month. Put an “X” on the calendar for that day.
Office of Population Affairs Natural Family Planning Fact Sheet U.S. Department of Health & Human Services 200 Independence Avenue, S.W. Washington, D.C.
The days between the two “X’s” are when you’re most likely to get pregnant. If you don’t want to get pregnant, then don’t have sex on those days, or use birth control (like a condom, diaphragm, or cervical cap).
Keep this in mind: the calendar method can predict the days you are most likely to be fertile, but isn’t always 100% accurate, especially if your cycles don’t always last the same number of days. It’s best to use other fertility awareness methods, too "

Temperature
When a women begins to ovulate, her basal body temperature will change from her regular temperature. It will usually rise a little less than one degree Fahrenheit. This change will happen up to three days before she ovulates and one day after. This is the peak period of getting pregnant since there's some variation in it. It typically will occur when you feel most sexually excited too, which is too bad.

This means you must religiously chart your temperature change. It doesn't take long.

The main issue is cleanliness post-coitus. Since sanitation is modified post-collapse, then you might have sex and then not be able to bathe. Because of that and because sperm can live for a set time period, then you must be very careful on days leading up to this basal temperature rise (ovulation).

Touch
Your cervical mucus will change in content and by inspection. You'll feel along the inner wall, the mucus will get thicker as you ovulate. It will “string” between two inserted fingers upon inspection. Then it will thin after the four day window. You'll note this, and any other changes because you'll become your own gynecologist. You may find that your partner will also note such changes and can help you evaluate them too.

Changes in pH
For implantation to occur, the lining must stay at a strict level of 3.4-4. Water has a natural pH of 7.0 if pure. Soap is alkaline and exceeds 7.0 based upon content. This is why a little soap and water will possible take care of times when you had sex just before or after the four day window. People douche and too often now. In a post-collapse, they won't be able to do it often, other than perhaps a mild vinegar one or possibly one containing a miniscule amount of iodine to treat a yeast infection. Regardless it is unwise to break the rules and have sex on those days when all indications: timing, temperature, and touch tell you NO! :) (But you want sex...sorry.)

Remember that sexually transmitted diseases will are always prevalent. We have a lot of undetected STDs now, and this will still be the case. It may be that there's less opportunity, or it may be that sexual abuse happens in a world post-collapse. Since the barrier method is not in place, that special care must be taken after sex if this occurs.

I wish I could give you better news, but this is the most pragmatic solution to a world without true contraception.
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More information about using a speculum to chart changes. It's well written and discussing a blue cervix in pregnancy (only 50 % have this) and many other issues.

[link to www.fwhc.org]

A speculum can be purchased for as little as $12 USA.
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Childhood Development Milestones

Here's a link to valuable milestones that your child should achieve based upon the average that the children in a populace achieve them. Some variance is normal. They may slow down or speed up a little. Due to stress or malnutrion, expect variation to occur.
[link to www.med.umich.edu]
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"We are born weak, we need strength; helpless, we need aid; foolish, we need reason. All that we lack at birth, all that we need when we come to man's estate is the gift of education."
Jean-Jacques Rousseau

Be a critical thinker

I've written extensively about prepping and coping with a collapse. Whatever I write is a springboard to your own ideas based upon testing what I write about, doing independent research, and then forming your own informed opinion. You should never blindly accept anything, but test it to see if it's valid.

The nation of the USA is wildly polarized. Brilliant people have different views along the continuum of the world of ideas. Does that mean that one is wrong and another is correct. I'm not so sure. I think part of that may be true, but it might also be true that based upon their understanding of science, faith, experiences, religious upbringing, culture, art, race, values, ethos, and age that what they perceive to be true and valid may be quite different than my own background. This doesn't mean that all perception is valid, far from it! Not every way is true or valid or even acceptable. Don't be like Aleister Crowley and “do as thou wilt”. I'll never accept that notion, but I may defend another person's right to believe it as long as they don't impinge upon my own right and others.

Let's say that you believe in this thing I call the Source and that others call God. Is it better to accept it as a child, or to examine the Holy Scriptures and peer deeply into it and find resonance in it and challenge it and then wholeheartedly embrace it because you find it VALID? I think the latter method is superior. Later when others challenge your beliefs, then you might be able to explain in simple terms why you believe what you believe.

Real love is never about forcing your opinion upon another. We've discussed this before. That is rape. That is evil and not what the Love of God or Jesus is all about.

Let's say that you totally believe in evolution. Why? Let's say you totally deny evolution. Why? Peer deeply into that phenomena and idea and be willing to challenge your beliefs.

If you think that the collapse is coming, then examine why you think that is so. Is it logical? Are there historical precedents? Are there economic, social, cultural, political, military forces at play that lead some to conclude that it's a logical possibility?

Do you think it's nonsense? Perhaps it is? If you think that, then don't just say it, but follow through and prove why you think things are stable and getting better and brighter.

You can't prove a negative, but don't frame it that way. That is called “evidence of absence”.

Be a thoughtful prepper. If you totally disagree, and think that learning archaic agricultural methods are ridiculous, then prove it.

I believe many things. Discover what YOU believe and then travel on your own spiritual, cultural, artistic, physical, mental journey. Don't totally be a follower. Risk being a leader, if only of your own ideas.

Never think that you have all the right ideas. How many trillions of people have lived before us? How many will come after?

Knowledge continues, but we have forgotten more than we can learn. There is more information now perhaps and accelerating than we can cope with. We may not be able to process it all, and yet we seem inclined to embrace that acceleration.
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yoda much knowledge this man does have.



You never cease to amaze me and I hope you never do!




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yoda much knowledge this man does have.



You never cease to amaze me and I hope you never do!




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You are sweet Lady. Note the capital L.

Doing your own research

The easiest method of doing research is using Google Books. Many prepping topics are esoteric. For example, let's say you were looking up Native American tribal lore on medicinal herbs. There's probably a handful of ethnobotanical or medical or arthropological studies done, but it's difficult to find them. I've found many through Google Books, and often if old then they include the whole ebook. Not only that, but also the value is that it's searchable too versus straining your eyes looking through pages and pages of dusty tomes. Believe me, my hardback library is enormous, but many times I can quickly find an answer from this research.

Google Scholar has much more authoritative links to research, but often they only point you in the right direction. What you can do after that is see if your library has a membership in any of of hundreds of academic databases like EBSCO. Usually you can do those searches online as well, so you can look up some rare study about a topic.

archive.org has free ebooks on it in which the copyright has expired. This means that you can download thousands of books for nothing. Likewise Project Guttenberg has thousands of books for free in this category.
[link to archive.org]
[link to www.gutenberg.org]

Realize that old information is not necessarily valid. You have to continue to research and ensure that it is. In many cases someone picked up the baton, and like a relay race carried the research onward.

Having a resource library is crucial. These documents can downloaded and stored on a USB hard drive. This means that you could potential recover them at will and this would be among your treasures.

You might be the only person in your community with that knowledgebase. You might end up becoming a community leader or teacher or shaman.
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Christians and Suffering and the Rapture

Probably less than 5% of my postings are Christian. It's deliberately done because that's a personal choice and my goal is teach prepping. This post is aimed at Christians, so if you don't believe or don't want to hear it, then I'd skip reading this one.

A lot of Christians think that when things start to get bad and collapse, that somehow Jesus will appear in the clouds, be visible around the world, and that the true Christians will be taken in an instant and NOT have to suffer through a tribulation.

I don't believe that to be true. If we look at any period in history, Christians have suffered for their beliefs, and I cannot hope that we'll be saved from the Tribulation. It might happen, as it's certainly a very deep topic and extremely complex. I think it's far better to assume that we'll suffer and prepare for it, then to hope to avoid all of the suffering.

I am fearful that many Christians will NOT prepare for this reason. Some to me seem like the foolish maidens who didn't prepare for the bridegroom. They think that since they can just purchase their food from grocery stores every three days, that's it's not necessary to be like their grandparents who stored up food in pantries. Their grandparents and their great-grandparents knew times of great hardship, learned pioneer skills because it was pragmatic to do so, could hunt and fish and trap. They could identify a tree or shrub or herb. They knew how to preserve it. They didn't waste money on things that gave instant gratification, but instead saved their money and purchased items which in turn saved them money. Which way seems more Biblical?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Matthew 25: 1-13

Those who believe in being saved from such hardship, well in a way it's like not being sympathetic to those who don't believe. After all, since they're going to avoid that, then why worry about it? They feel like, “Hey, my family and I are safe now that we believe. All is well and abundant.” This way seems very obtuse and uncaring and hardly Biblical. It's not the way of a servant.

Worse, some pastors actually teach this. This makes me shudder. They twist the Scriptures and tell people not to prepare since God provides. If that is so, then why work at all? Why not sit at home and watch TV? After all, God provides. It's as if the story of Joseph in the Old Testament is totally forgotten.

There is a deep wrongness in such belief. Can you imagine if suddenly all of the Christians all over the world didn't put up surplus food? Imagine doing that in 3rd world nations? I guess they think that American Christians are special and better? I don't get it whatsoever.

In some cases, I actually have been told that some husband or wives would like to learn to prep and store things, but their spouse told them not to, or worse they got the pastor to tell the would-be prepper that it wasn't necessary or Biblical. Since when do you not work out things by talking rationally with your spouse and intentionally praying for discernment? In any other time in history, would spouses or pastors agree that not being ill-prepared was Biblical? I doubt it.

If you don't think it's necessary in this generation to do so, then why was it necessary in previous generations? Can you not see the signs of the times? Are you so smug as to assume that all is well? Have you spent time in prayer and fasted and looked to God for answers?

Please consider that the Rapture may happen far later. We might certainly suffer. How much more important will it be to have prepared and then help those who don't believe? You might bring people to Christ during that time.
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Creating your own master reference manual(s)

Earlier I mentioned ink, paper, and bookbinding. Luckily today you have the opportunity to create your own journals without going to all of that trouble. Yes, it will certainly be useful for you later post-collapse, but how much easier would it be to prepare today?

You can do that by sitting down with paper and pen and writing a plan. I've discussed that before, but maybe most of you read that, but never did that. Do it right away.

No doubt you've learned some things over the last year and a half, and some of you have made notes. That's fine, but as a beginner, what you think is important is different that what is important. I'm hoping that you begin to grasp that prepping is complex and personalized, but that many old timers have been down this journey. They usually want to save you pointless heartache, but no doubt you'll have your own plans that are different than their knowledge and experiences.

This means you must synthesize what you need to refer back to while prepping. In an ideal journal, you'll make notes inside the reference, or you will create a specific journal that goes with that reference. Writing in your book is a good thing, but in the beginning what you think is true, may end up not being true. A better way is the latter.

For example, you may have started a small library for gardening. That's usually the most common way people get interested in prepping. Since that knowledge is in several books, why don't you photocopy the pages that are most important like companion planting, then create a blank page for writing notes. Maybe have a germination table in there too. Maybe a height table so you don't overshadow other plants. In subsequent pages create a vegetable page for a specific one. Say broccoli, and then write what you tried in the first Spring season. When did you plant? Was it based upon a set time or because of weather? When did it germinate? Being optimistic here, did you put out transplants? When did you side dress it? When did you first harvest from it? Did it seem like certain plants grew better? Why do you think that happened? Did you notice hail coming down or more than average rain? When? How much? How did you protect it? What was your yields per plant? All of these are good things to document.

Now re-read everything you have about broccoli. Did you get cabbage moths? When did you see your first cabbage worms? Did you pretreat the plants in order to prevent these pests? Are there any diseases that you got on them? Did anything seem to help? Did any of your neighbors report anything different that your own results? Can you replicate their successes? Does anything in your book explain a better way? Have you yourself learned a better way?

Do this for every season that you plant that veggie, and then next Winter when you're planning the garden, maybe you move the plants around because you've learned from your successes and errors. Yes, you can buy an expensive gardening journal. Most of the time though people end up not using them. It's far better to make one yourself. You'll find a series of tips, and then most likely in your own words write that down. It is wise to see what kinds of journals there are and how they're organized though. Of course do that.

Keep those old garden plans. It may be that four years down the road you realize, “Say year two was really our best because of ____.” Or maybe several areas were good in one year, while in other years other parts were good. Analyze why this was. Then create a new plan based upon your thinking.

Now you're slowly becoming an author. Show your children what you're doing. Explain to them why this or that is done, when to water, fertilize, harvest, etc. Let them be your allies and helpers. If you get sick, or if worse happens, then they can shoulder your burdens. Don't be the sole person who knows how to do a job. That's a very poor strategy.

All of this seems like nonsense to a nonprepper who simply buys their food from the grocery store, however you're learning the best way to produce the most food and in the cheapest way for your family. That is practical and the beginning of wisdom. It seems like folly only to the lazy.

You can waste a lot of money and effort by not working efficiently. In a collapse you'll be working harder than you do in your forty hour a week job. There's countless things to do. Work smarter, not longer.

This means mulching to save on weeding, and not hurting your back as much from stooping. This means carefully planning rainwater irrigation so your yields are good despite the lack of rain in certain seasons. This means pretreating anticipated pest issues. If you do that coupled with good planning, then you'll probably work half as hard. That's a lot of hours that can be spent in trapping, repairing, fishing, water gathering, etc. Maybe you'll actually get some rest!

Do this with the most common references that you have. Most of the pages will be blank at first with only reference tables within, but in a year's time, it will fill. Examine, challenge, and reanalyze your assertions. Are they valid? Thin out what isn't necessary.

Over time you'll assemble a series of books that will help your children do the same process. It may be that you'll become the master gardener in your community and you end teaching novices how to do the same. You could end up helping a lot of people by creating more food to fill their bellies. You also will expand their minds to possibilities too.
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Biogas

The most likely long term adaptation for dealing with human waste post-collapse will be Biogas. It's merely the digestion of manure or green garden waste into methane. This methane is combusible and that means it can be used to heat homes, use a stove, or run a generator. Here's a proof of concept video. This system is done much cheaper in 3rd world nations. Mr Culhane has many videos on projects in Egypt, Nigeria, and Peru.


[link to www.appropedia.org]

This method is far superior to using human waste through composting. Most likely rabbits and goats will be raised and their waste will be composted for the garden.
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More detailed information about Biogas:
[link to practicalaction.org]
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Contagion: Treating Pertussis (Whooping Cough) post-collapse

What does whooping cough sound and look like:


What historical information do we have about pertussis? What treatment was used prior to antibiotics?

[link to forms.asm.org]

What natural remedies could we reasonably use if there are no medicines?
[link to www.motherearthliving.com]

If you have a child with whooping cough. Please see your doctor right away. This post is only about how to treat it post-collapse.

If there were a collapse, then you need to two do three things:
1. Make them comfortable. The spasm is what exacerbates the condition.
2. Garlic infusions used to kill bacteria and remove mucus ( an expectorant). This is a primary issue.
3. An antispasmotic herb combination: ginger ang honey.

Loading up on vitamin C is a very good thing as a preventative.

Contagion is a big issue post-collapse. People must self-segregate away from others when ill. The main issue is children playing together when sick. This is teaching point for your children to learn: when there's a collapse, we don't play with children who are complaining about headache, feeling hot or chilled, coughing, feeling achey.
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Contagion: Whooping Cough that leads to Pleurisy


[link to www.emedicinehealth.com]

A deep breathe causes a sharp pain. This is a result of rubbing of the pleura, the lining of the lungs.

[link to www.herbs2000.com]

Usually treated with ibuprofen.

Usually antibiotics offer no real benefit. Sometimes it's given to patient and family, the latter as a preventative move.

You need mullein tea (previously discussed) and horsetail to heal the lung tissue.
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Helpful Herbs: Horsetail

Horsetail is found throughout the USA.
[link to plants.usda.gov]

Here's a video showing what it looks like:


Here's more information about it:
[link to www.herbwisdom.com]
[link to upload.wikimedia.org]

Like the ginko, horsetail is an ancient plant that's often called a living fossil.
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If the Rapture comes and Christians haven't prepared with supplies, then it matters not. If they have prepared, then the supplies can be used by others since they don't need it.

If the Rapture comes midway or later during the Tribulation, and one hasn't prepared, then one will likely be dead. If one is prepared, then they may survive for a time.

Seems logical to prepare.
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If the Rapture comes and Christians haven't prepared with supplies, then it matters not. If they have prepared, then the supplies can be used by others since they don't need it.

If the Rapture comes midway or later during the Tribulation, and one hasn't prepared, then one will likely be dead. If one is prepared, then they may survive for a time.

Seems logical to prepare.
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This is my thought also, if not my family then someone else.

Good to know I'm not alone, IF there is an after, hope to see you and the OP on the other side.





hf rockon
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If the Rapture comes and Christians haven't prepared with supplies, then it matters not. If they have prepared, then the supplies can be used by others since they don't need it.

If the Rapture comes midway or later during the Tribulation, and one hasn't prepared, then one will likely be dead. If one is prepared, then they may survive for a time.

Seems logical to prepare.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1110734


This is my thought also, if not my family then someone else.

Good to know I'm not alone, IF there is an after, hope to see you and the OP on the other side.





hf rockon
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I am the OP. I've written 95% of the posts here. I deleted quite a few, and trying to slowly recall what I wrote.
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If the Rapture comes and Christians haven't prepared with supplies, then it matters not. If they have prepared, then the supplies can be used by others since they don't need it.

If the Rapture comes midway or later during the Tribulation, and one hasn't prepared, then one will likely be dead. If one is prepared, then they may survive for a time.

Seems logical to prepare.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1110734


This is my thought also, if not my family then someone else.

Good to know I'm not alone, IF there is an after, hope to see you and the OP on the other side.





hf rockon
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I am the OP. I've written 95% of the posts here. I deleted quite a few, and trying to slowly recall what I wrote.
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tounge sorry OP thought a lurker had joined us


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Contagion: Treating Pertussis (Whooping Cough) post-collapse

What does whooping cough sound and look like:


What historical information do we have about pertussis? What treatment was used prior to antibiotics?

[link to forms.asm.org]

What natural remedies could we reasonably use if there are no medicines?
[link to www.motherearthliving.com]

If you have a child with whooping cough. Please see your doctor right away. This post is only about how to treat it post-collapse.

If there were a collapse, then you need to two do three things:
1. Make them comfortable. The spasm is what exacerbates the condition.
2. Garlic infusions used to kill bacteria and remove mucus ( an expectorant). This is a primary issue.
3. An antispasmotic herb combination: ginger ang honey.

Loading up on vitamin C is a very good thing as a preventative.

Contagion is a big issue post-collapse. People must self-segregate away from others when ill. The main issue is children playing together when sick. This is teaching point for your children to learn: when there's a collapse, we don't play with children who are complaining about headache, feeling hot or chilled, coughing, feeling achey.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1110734


Drinking Coltsfoot tea with honey will quiet the cough.
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Possible timeline of death in a world-wide post-collapse scenario

Three days to one month
People need water in three days. As their thirst increases they'll use supplies that are pure, but then of lower and lower purity based upon the thirst mechanism. Remember this, people don't drink water very well based upon the thirst mechanism. Many are disconnected from understanding when they are dehydrated today. It's only because the live in a post-modern society with running water and supplies and don't have to collect water so that they survive.

As one dehydrates, one begins to have lower cognition. Critical thinking declines and any water source will be deemed as “tolerable”. As this happens, impure water will be consumed. Pollutants from contaminated groundwater will kill some, but many will continue to survive for a time. Amebic dysentery will affect many from coliform bacteria from animal or human fecal matter. Many deaths occur from this from cross-contamination, followed by cholera and a host of immune system insults. Generalized weakness accelerates in the host, and those people lose the ability to care for themselves and for their family. The weaker members relying upon stronger ones to gather water will die: elderly, infants, toddlers, older children, etc.

People need shelter to protect themselves from exposure especially in Winter. If it happened today November 14, 2012 in temperate climates in North America, and if people bugged out from urban areas in a mass exodus, we could expect to see many people to fall prey to violence, dehydration, theft of supplies leading to malnutrition, depressed immune system responses from the cold, outright exposure from lowered temperatures without adequate clothing or shelter or firemaking ability, or a combination of all of the above.

Many people have prepared 72 hour kits to help them transition to safer areas, but don't have hunting, trapping, or fishing ability. Even if there were lots of wildlife to gather, so many new hunters will cause animals to evade them or the successful ones will overhunt the wildlife areas and kill them off.

Unless they have the experience of living in the wild and avoiding exposure then they will probably die within a week. They will get weaker and weaker as they travel without a way to supplement their blood glucose to maintain consciousness. They'll get sleepy and sloppy. Mistakes will lead to getting lost, falling into a ravine, get injured and can't walk or break a bone, fall to predation from other bugging out people.

People can survive up to three months without food as long as they are sedentary. If not, and looking for firewood, water, and other activities, then they'll die sooner.

Bugging out folks looking for shelter in less urban areas will be turned away from the towns. They won't be needing people unless they have very high skill levels of rare abilities. Some will be violently repelled.

People on medications (who haven't filled their prescriptions for three months) will begin to have less and less medication in their blood. The decline of the medication will begin to show effects in as little as a week. Renewed blood pressure issues will suddenly increase especially under increased work load. Many heart attacks occur. Many who don't have blood thinners will begin to form micro-clots and many of these thrombo-embolisms create strokes. They become paralyzed on one side and therefore unable to care for themselves or communicate. They throw a clot, like a saddle embolism, and can't breathe.

Others who can't gather herbs to control blood sugar begin to see higher and higher blood sugar when they can test it. Eventually they won't be able to test it and must guess. The ones with Type I diabetes will die based upon the natural progression of their illness if they already have circulation issues or eyesight loss. Both of those pre-existing conditions will lead to less foraging capability. The less healthy will die, then the older diabetics.

Mass die offs in nursing homes. Many elderly die in their homes.

Three months
Many people are barely surviving based upon lack of food. A great extinction has occurred from all of the above. Some who have survived have looted from stores to supplement their food supply, or found materials to help them acquire a food supply. Some will have died in the process as it become similar to Nature and the survival of the fittest.

Gangs will probably die unless they adapt are lead by intelligent leadership. New gangs will form based upon a desire of using numbers to overwhelm prepared people with supplies.

In order to attack prepared people or liberate supplies, gang members will need a lot of calories far exceeding their normal diet. It's very heavy activity to move around that much searching, standing watch, scouting, fighting, etc. Many will be unable to acquire enough calories by this method and will die. Cannibalism is to be expected.

Many people have died from lack of medications. The ones who made it three months were in a second tier of younger more healthy people who were able to adapt but had supplies and clean water. Eventually though they ran low on supplies, got dehydrated, illness set in, and were too weak to gather enough firewood to cope.

Many died from ingesting what little food they could find that was of very low quality. The food was either spoiled, ill-prepared and caused bacterial infections, was low in calories, wasn't really edible (some will try eating what grass they can find...it happened during the Ethiopia famine). Some will have extended flour with things as fillers that really isn't nutritious. In history this often is sawdust. Many will have eaten rats, gopher, or other creatures that had disease of one kind or another, and so they became weakened and sick from ingesting it.

As food becomes unavailable in urban areas, many will leave on foot. Gasoline will have been used either to heat or to attempt transportation away from the areas or for power generation. Many of the weakened people attempting to leave will die having no survival skills in the wild and fall prey to the same events as the first tier.

Six months
Up to 90% of the populace have died. Those with supplies ran out of food slowly, but had no idea how to garden or hunt or trap or fish. They attempt it, but are weakened. There's an increase in animal activity and the ones who are more successful acquiring animals will make it.

There are no obese people anymore. People's faces are very gaunt and drawn. There's a lot of bitterness. Most of the depressed people, schizophrenics, drug abusers, etc have died. Many became suicidal. Many in effect became suicidal since they stopped self-care and slowly declined and then gave up.

Many children have died. A reduced ability to find food, accidents, illness, dehydration, etc have killed them. A lack of parents or guardians means that few coped. Some found help, but as food stores ran down, they were turned away. It will follow historical patterns.

The die-off of so many people without burials will lead to eventual groundwater contamination. Waves and waves of epidemics kill survivors. Very few people who bugged out have survived unless they went to safe places with long term food supplies and are planting gardens.

Nine months
Many new gardeners cannot produce enough food to save themselves. There's nothing left to hunt, fish, or trap anymore. This causes changes in the forest and meadows. Animals retreat into the wild areas. Eventually their numbers will increase based upon the lack of predation there. Only people who take long hunting trips will be able to acquire them, but at great risk of returning to their tribes.

A host of nutritional deficiencies leads to blindness, weakness, secondary bacterial infections, parasites, etc. These kill many.

Most of the gangs have died. They only had power as long as they had weapons and strength. Unless they had long-term skills to create food, then they can't make it from foraging upon survivors. There are less and less survivors on which to prey upon, and the lower success rate means that many gang members turn upon themselves.

Few people can preserve food adequately. Much of the food is eaten as it is harvested. Starvation occurs in a strong way among survivors without supplies to pull from. Many of the strong ones die.

A year
95% of the population has died. What few people remain have very high skill levels, have learned to preserve food by extraordinary means, have raised livestock to provide routine protein. They have clean water. Their homes are warm and safe. They have weapons other than firearms to protect themselves as most ammunition is gone.

Much of the remaining animals have departed from any areas formerly occupied by humans. Those that do remain if they survive the winter may repopulate the areas slowly since there's no longer that many humans there. Many of these areas have high bacterial counts in the water, but those animals who are strong and have adapted will survive it.

Two years
Fewer humans means less possibility of finding marriageable partners based upon finding love. People will become less and less picky based upon finding providers (bunkered people with tons of supplies) and those with very high skill levels.

Some communities have pulled together. These may be very few in number, merely surviving families of preppers. Some intermarriage begins as not only natural attraction, but also alliances strengthen the community.

Smart communities recruit from nearby survivor communities. They look for those with technical ability outside their own.

The ones who make it have preserved old knowledge and use it daily in creative way to increase security. This means some replanting of forests is occurring, wells have been dug and most likely cisterns. All have rabbits and goats and probably some with bee operations. Some milling of flour is happening. Some ethanol production is in operation. Some generate power from hydroelectricity and solar.

Most heat using rocket mass stoves unless they have lots of firewood available. Still it's the most likely scenario based upon protecting wood for tools and lumber. Many use solar ovens in the summertime. Some biogas operations in warm climates that create enough average temperature to produce methane efficiently or at least seasonally. Most tribes have wood-gas generators.

Many will be harvesting materials from their environments in order to repair and maintain equipment.
Some peddling will occur. These people move from area to area creating trade networks. The collect things like salt from the coast and move inland to trade for locally produced items or found items like tools, sewing needles, textiles, shoes, etc. Fuel will be unavailable so they will operate by having horses to transport themselves or they will more likely travel on rivers.

This means that those places around rivers will act as hubs. Some trade will occur based upon proximity, and then smaller trades based upon the movement of the peddlers. Some go-between people will profit by trading.
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Possible timeline of death of post-collapse scenario if self-sufficient communities form
(Probable only if a slow decline)

If there is a slow decline in being able to provide for individuals and families, then some adaptation will occur. Some intelligent folks will begin to learn skills, eat more cheaply to provide adequate nutrition, and begin gardening this Spring. Some will decide that it's wise to raise small animals for regular protein consumption and also lower their food costs.

This will not go unnoticed by mass media. More and more articles will be written about local production of food and it's preservation. More articles about sewing, knitting, leather-making and crafting, mechanical repair, energy generation, carpentry, hunting, and trapping.

When there's a rise in an activity, usually by corollary there's a rejection of that activity. The people who embrace the return to old skills will be labeled “Luddites”. They will be mocked in general by those who feel it's an anti-intellectual movement.

More homeschooling occurs. A movement to decrease real estate taxes happens in response to lower real estate values coupled with less people having children in public school systems. A sharp decrease in government insured college loans. Lower employment among teachers and administration and support crews. Fewer young people attend college or universities due to less availability to work in those potential professions. Some increase in technical colleges, but even here less work initially leads to lower census at these schools. Long-term an increase in employment in those technical professions if “buying locally” becomes successful.

Self-reliance will become a common mantra. People will desire to purchase locally produced items paid for by a fair wage. People won't have money to purchase new things, and will insist that when they do buy things it will only happen by trading for them quietly by barter. Many people will become craftsmen and technicians in order to be able to trade items and acquire rarer and rarer affordable things and food.

Water prices rise. Strong rainwater legislation is enacted. More people will dig wells. More people will purify water rather than rely upon city water purity. Many will learn how to purify water at least by creating their own created charcoal systems. Some people will begin to make charcoal. More people will make biosand filters rather than purchasing water bottles. All of this will happen even worse if the drought continues.

Very high taxes are enacted, while simultaneously less government workers are needed. Severe cutbacks happen and as they do, many businesses falter which relied upon government contracts.

Fewer and fewer people go to restaurants and bars. Many of the young educated people who have taken jobs in this service industry become unemployed. Healthcare legislation results in very few full-time positions. Part-time people with declining gratuities will leave because it will make little sense to stay.

A big drop in new pornography. New laws requiring condom use and less demand will result in far fewer productions. Less people will be able to afford Internet use. Less people will be able to attend stripper bars. Some few performers will become prostitutes. Higher and higher drug abuse will occur among those who remain.

Very high unemployment leads to people rioting. If it happens as slowly as it has happened in Greece and Spain, then probably it won't occur until it reaches 25%. Cutbacks in government aid may occur, but will be so politically unpalatable that most politicians won't do this.

Many unemployed people with time on their hands will become preppers in order to survive. It will be a natural thing to do as a sign of being pragmatic. Churches will begin to teach prepping, but won't call it that. It will be labeled “frugality” as that's less emotional a term.

Many more people will attempt hunting and fishing. Many people in rural areas will begin trapping quietly. Many people will begin poaching, and you will see an increase in game wardens getting involved. Some of these will altercations will become violent. Tacitly ignoring the issue will occur due to lack of enough game wardens and too many people doing it. Higher hunter injuries send several to the ER and on to surgery.

People cut back on gift giving, and many create their own presents. Most presents are practical gifts. Far few electronic gifts are purchased.

Less demand to luxuries means less movies are produced. Lower support of art in general. Schools begin teaching less art and more practical arts instead.

Some new communities will form in rural areas in which people “gift” items rather than call it bartering. Of course it's a euphemism for trading skills and abilities, but will avoid revenue and provide cheap services. It'll be an act of survival.

The successful ones will prosper. Lower incomes result in a cascade of lower state and local government services and it will feed into the developing phenomena. As the populist movement increases, more politicians will cope by switching sides, becoming supporters, or new politicians will be elected who support the movement.

Those who don't act frugally and prepare will be labeled as less educated and aware. Social forces will apply pressure for people to adapt by teaching their children new skills or abilities based upon learning old previously thought archaic agricultural methods. More young people become farmers or ranchers but if there's a drought they there will be a lot of failures.

Some influential people communicate ideas about living frugally and closer to nature. A new “Back to the Land” movement begins in earnest and some pilot communities like the old communes develop. Some of these are religious; some are “permies”; some are sexual; all will have similar political and philosophical ethos. All will be along a wide continuum of beliefs. These communities will grow their own food and animals, grow their own feed, have wells, produce their own energy, have their own industries, create their own clothing and shoes, educate themselves, etc. These communities will seek out professional people with skills to form a more self-reliant community that won't need an outside doctor or veterinarian, law enforcement, firemen, legal specialists, teachers, etc.

Existing urban places will decline into anarchy in some congested areas. In those places people are not self-reliant. With a decline in government services, more and more uncertainty will develop there. Many attempt to leave and few are accepted in small communities due to lack of skills or technical ability. Some will be able to transition. Some will claim discrimination.

Wealth will be measured in self-reliance versus digital instruments of stock, gold, bonds, etc. Most people will have lost their retirement funds due to mismanagement of investments. Only those who learn skills can hope to survive into old age.

Deaths begin to occur due to malnutrition and lack of medical care. Routine illnesses become exacerbated by this. Many elective surgeries don't happen. Less and less people are able to live in long term care facilities or nursing homes. Socialized medicine has happened, but practical issues such as a lack of nurses, a lack of investment in pharmaceutical research, low employment, etc will mean it will have a negligible effect.

Higher and higher child abuse occurs from the Malthusian stresses. Many cases of outright neglect. Very high child infant mortality in some areas.

An increase in murder, rape, violence, burglary, etc particularly in urban areas. An increase in acts of murder from acts of passion in less urban areas from people having more firearms. Stronger rioting occurs in urban areas and spills over in large communities that can't be self-reliant. It degenerates from there.
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Simple wired communication system


With this setup, you'd need to purchase working military surplus and D cells and you'd use the existing phone wire after a SHTF event. You'd centralize the phones most probably by precinct communication captains and leadership.
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Make a D cell with coils, cardboard, and a AA cell.

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