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Is a lie a lie even if everyone believes it?

 
Joshua James
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08/08/2011 03:39 AM
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Is a lie a lie even if everyone believes it?
Is the TRUTH still the truth, if everyone is convinced its a lie?
Im speaking in broad terms here i know.. but really think about what ive asked and give me your opinion.. i feel like im close to my own personl truth, and that the answer to this last question will give me final peace. What mechanism do we have to discern truth from deception? It drives me nuts, nearly to the point of jumping in a fire to see if i really burn.. (just a illistration of my frustration, not QUITE that stupid... im pretty stupid though)

on a different note, i recommend someone to start a new site similar to GLP... Ive never spoken a ill word toward anyone yet im continually banned from nearly every device i use... is GLP just money hungry???
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08/08/2011 03:43 AM
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Re: Is a lie a lie even if everyone believes it?
universal truth is not measured in mass appeal or consensus, 2+2=4 ALWAYS unless 2 does not represent itself. And they do that cause they have bot problems, I think.
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08/08/2011 03:45 AM
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Re: Is a lie a lie even if everyone believes it?
if everyone believes we can fly, can we fly?
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08/08/2011 03:49 AM
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Re: Is a lie a lie even if everyone believes it?
universal truth is not measured in mass appeal or consensus, 2+2=4 ALWAYS unless 2 does not represent itself. And they do that cause they have bot problems, I think.
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i know math is the ultimate truth, the window into gods mind... im not talking about math though. im reffering to right and wrong, good and evil, and how to know if your playing for the right team... morally
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08/08/2011 03:50 AM
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Re: Is a lie a lie even if everyone believes it?
if everyone believes we can fly, can we fly?
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interesting question. nearly no one save for perhaps some mentally ill or coked up tards think they can fly...
Advaita Vedantist

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08/08/2011 03:51 AM
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Re: Is a lie a lie even if everyone believes it?
What do you mean by truth? Are you differentiating between fact and truth? What is real and what is true? It seems so.

Because obviously, regardless of what everyone believes, there are things that are not possible or actual (you cannot empirically demonstrate to me that you are capable of drawing a rectangle with the exact geometric properties of a triangle, no matter how much you or any other number of people may believe you can).
I am like the space which permeates all objects, and is yet undefiled. I am of the nature of Absolute Consciousness. I can now cognize my Reality to be no other than That.

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08/08/2011 03:53 AM
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Re: Is a lie a lie even if everyone believes it?
On wikipedia a lie is the truth if someone believes it as they require you to assume good faith. In real life I believe a lie is still a lie.
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08/08/2011 03:56 AM
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Re: Is a lie a lie even if everyone believes it?
if everyone believes we can fly, can we fly?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1497329


interesting question. nearly no one save for perhaps some mentally ill or coked up tards think they can fly...
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what are you saying, that if we all started believing it, then the laws of gravity would magically suspend?
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08/08/2011 04:00 AM
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Re: Is a lie a lie even if everyone believes it?
What do you mean by truth? Are you differentiating between fact and truth? What is real and what is true? It seems so.

Because obviously, regardless of what everyone believes, there are things that are not possible or actual (you cannot empirically demonstrate to me that you are capable of drawing a rectangle with the exact geometric properties of a triangle, no matter how much you or any other number of people may believe you can).
 Quoting: Advaita Vedantist


i agree with you.. again im not talking about mathmatics or if a tree falls in the woods and no body is around does it make a sound. im talking about morality... is it personal, or is there a truth? and how would we know, if the answer was given, that we can trust it? how do you fact check morality?
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08/08/2011 04:09 AM
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Re: Is a lie a lie even if everyone believes it?
if everyone believes we can fly, can we fly?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1497329


interesting question. nearly no one save for perhaps some mentally ill or coked up tards think they can fly...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1483060


what are you saying, that if we all started believing it, then the laws of gravity would magically suspend?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1497329


i dont know... maybe.. we have proven over and over again via the double slit expiriment that thoughts effect matter. who knows the extent of it? rediculous to think we can fly im with you there.. but playing the devils advocate here, who knows the extent of this revelation?