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Former CIA Agent On SEALS Down

 
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K 9 said to be special electro-magnetic detector dog.
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Is this it? Looks like "if" this is it they were leaving their FOB when it happened...

[link to www.liveleak.com]
 Quoting: Steve8511


Good find! OMG that was total destruction. but is it truth or disinformation?
 Quoting: anonimalle



If it's "allowed" to be on the Internet, then it's woven with disinfo
 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken


so refreshing to see some intelligence around here for a change.

just out of curiosity, Chicken, what are your views on 9/11 ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1360748



Though all things serve more than one purpose and thus have multiple "covers", it was ultimately the largest gold heist in history.

Which of course ties in with the original ST6...and cocaine and the CIA and gold...
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A bit of an unusual team just for heading off 10 Taliban heading for the hills .
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Is this it? Looks like "if" this is it they were leaving their FOB when it happened...

[link to www.liveleak.com]
 Quoting: Steve8511


Good find! OMG that was total destruction. but is it truth or disinformation?
 Quoting: anonimalle


Its consistent with crashes I’ve seen…. The gear boxes are made of many alloys and magnesium and when they start on fire-nothing stops them and it consumes everything. But there’s no way to know what this crash is from but it looks recent by the ash.
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Thanks Steve.
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" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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Especially if the 4 Navy was ONI.
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A bit of an unusual team just for heading off 10 Taliban heading for the hills .
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That is what some others think too.
Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… anonimalle

" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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My question for any that know or for all that would like to tell me. Why the use of the Navy? When I think of Navy I think of high seas.

Were not the Navy Seals the elite of the Navy? Why would they be on such a mission? Were they told it was rescue that turned out to be a chase?
Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… anonimalle

" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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If the RPG takes out one rotor the other rotor will continue to operate. This means the helo will go down hard but it does not mean an explosion in the air and a disintegrated aircraft falling to the ground. If the chopper fell off of a cliff and cartwheeled down a mountain that is a different beast. That type of crash could cause catastrophic damage to the passengers and increase the chance of the bird catching on fire.
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the rpg entered the cabin via the rear ramp and exploded internally It did not take out a rotor

secondly a chinook went down in the 80s in the british north sea (they were used for ferrying workers to the offshore oil platforms). The cause of the crash was a catastrophic failure of the drive train. once one rotor is out the other follows because they are coupled through a drive shaft.

in the case of the north sea chinook crash the gearbox and drive train seized and disintegrated into the passenger cabin the shrapnel from the mechanical failure basically shredded virtually all those on board.

add an RPG and a fire into that heady mix and it's fairly reasonable to assume identification of corpses is going to be challenging
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Update with pictures

Some Navy SEAL Families Pissed at Obama


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" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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If the RPG takes out one rotor the other rotor will continue to operate. This means the helo will go down hard but it does not mean an explosion in the air and a disintegrated aircraft falling to the ground. If the chopper fell off of a cliff and cartwheeled down a mountain that is a different beast. That type of crash could cause catastrophic damage to the passengers and increase the chance of the bird catching on fire.
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the rpg entered the cabin via the rear ramp and exploded internally It did not take out a rotor

secondly a chinook went down in the 80s in the british north sea (they were used for ferrying workers to the offshore oil platforms). The cause of the crash was a catastrophic failure of the drive train. once one rotor is out the other follows because they are coupled through a drive shaft.

in the case of the north sea chinook crash the gearbox and drive train seized and disintegrated into the passenger cabin the shrapnel from the mechanical failure basically shredded virtually all those on board.

add an RPG and a fire into that heady mix and it's fairly reasonable to assume identification of corpses is going to be challenging
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Challenging yes, sadly I can understand why.

Last Edited by anonimalle on 08/12/2011 05:34 PM
Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… anonimalle

" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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Navy a long way from the water, huh.
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Was thinking so too.
Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… anonimalle

" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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My question for any that know or for all that would like to tell me. Why the use of the Navy? When I think of Navy I think of high seas.

Were not the Navy Seals the elite of the Navy? Why would they be on such a mission? Were they told it was rescue that turned out to be a chase?
 Quoting: anonimalle




Navy encompasses space as well...

And they work ever so closely with NASA ;)

(Secret Navy/Nebraska Navy)
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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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As a former Infantry officer I can tell you that it was a poorly planned and executed op.

First they should have gone in on multiple Black Hawks and inserted the troops in seperate location.

Then, once assessing the situation, converged to relieve the encircled forces. Further, some troops should have been held back in reserve and the helos should have been used to provide air support and later for extraction.

I have commanded combined arms teams before.
 Quoting: Monadnock


Listen up brainiac..

The Chinook bears the name of a tribe of American Indians and also a hot, dry, powerful wind that blows in the Pacific Northwest.

The helicopter can operate at night and in nearly all weather conditions. It has been used widely in Iraq and as part of Operation Enduring Freedom in mountainous Afghanistan, where the high altitude and temperatures have limited the use of the Black Hawk. The Chinook also delivered aid and evacuated the critically injured from some of the most inaccessible and remote parts of Pakistan after the earthquake in 2005. Since then, toy Chinooks have become favorite playthings of Pakistani children, a symbol of American goodwill.

And to the no way 22 SEALS on one helo crowd, this was a pinned down immediate evac call by the Rangers.

Hell, you couldn't have physically prevented them from being on that chopper. I guarantee there were 200 other Spec op warriors trying to get on also.

As to what actually happened, who knows. I lean towards the Stinger theory.

Carry on.
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You brainwashed piece of empire building banker whore shit...I'll carry on....while you remain a bitch.
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Here is an excerpt from and article in The America Thinker

The Wasted Valor of the Navy SEALs


"There is something sickeningly wrong with a country that sends it finest, fittest, most disciplined young men into combat for ten years straight while legions of welfare cheats and stock-market Ponzi schemers lounge about and the government borrows trillions from their yet-unborn grandchildren.

There is something sickeningly wrong when honorable, valorous, disciplined, elite men are sent to their deaths by an effete commander-in-chief who spent his own youth not parading at Annapolis, fast-roping out of helicopters, or crawling through the mud under barbed wire during live-fire training exercises, but rather, according to his own admission in his autobiography, smoking marijuana, snorting cocaine, contemplating shooting heroin with a needle, and hanging out with Marxists, radical blacks, and structural feminists so as not to appear to be a "sell-out."

President Obama could not pass a background check to be a $12-an-hour deputy sheriff in a county jail, let alone become a Navy SEAL, but it is he who commands them to their deaths."

[link to www.americanthinker.com]
Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… anonimalle

" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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The article makes interesting reading.

Could the explosion have been caused by the grenade hitting the helicopter's fuel tank?
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 Quoting: anonimalle


The article makes interesting reading.

Could the explosion have been caused by the grenade hitting the helicopter's fuel tank?
 Quoting: Prime Merlinian 1503576


Yes it did to me too.

Truth to tell just in case anyone was doubted it, I have no idea about the military, rockets and bombs. But it could have been a grenade.
Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… anonimalle

" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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 Quoting: anonimalle


The article makes interesting reading.

Could the explosion have been caused by the grenade hitting the helicopter's fuel tank?
 Quoting: Prime Merlinian 1503576


Yes it did to me too.

Truth to tell just in case anyone was doubted it, I have no idea about the military, rockets and bombs. But it could have been a grenade.
 Quoting: anonimalle


I know little about military hardware as well.

The article indicates the helo was brought down by an RPG. I assume this means a shoulder launched Rocket Propelled Grenade.

As I said could the explosion have been caused by the thing hitting the helo's fuel tank?
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 Quoting: anonimalle


The article makes interesting reading.

Could the explosion have been caused by the grenade hitting the helicopter's fuel tank?
 Quoting: Prime Merlinian 1503576


Yes it did to me too.

Truth to tell just in case anyone was doubted it, I have no idea about the military, rockets and bombs. But it could have been a grenade.
 Quoting: anonimalle


I know little about military hardware as well.

The article indicates the helo was brought down by an RPG. I assume this means a shoulder launched Rocket Propelled Grenade.

As I said could the explosion have been caused by the thing hitting the helo's fuel tank?
 Quoting: Prime Merlinian 1503576


Yes that sounds right.
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" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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Did a New Taliban Weapon Kill a Chopper Full of Navy SEALs?

"The passengers and crew of the twin-rotor CH-47 Chinook helicopter probably never saw the rocket hurtling towards them. The explosion and fiery crash in Wardak province in eastern Afghanistan early on Saturday morning killed all 38 people aboard the lumbering chopper."

[link to www.wired.com]

They wrote a detailed report of what they thought happened. I have no idea who or what this site represents. So it is just there for you to decide.

Note the date 8/8 which means that they were quoting from someones dialogue which has since changed the rescue to a chase.

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" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… anonimalle

" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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If the RPG takes out one rotor the other rotor will continue to operate. This means the helo will go down hard but it does not mean an explosion in the air and a disintegrated aircraft falling to the ground. If the chopper fell off of a cliff and cartwheeled down a mountain that is a different beast. That type of crash could cause catastrophic damage to the passengers and increase the chance of the bird catching on fire.

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So a hard, violent crash will literally rip the bodies into unidentifiable pieces then......Riiiiiight. There is only one way bodies can be BLOWN TO BITS....and it ain't from ANY kind of mere crash, not in a helo. I doubt a 757 flying at 325+ mph into the face of a granite mountain would explode every body on board.



If you took one of the rotor out, without it to counter the torque.. it will rotate violently and come down really hard, equally catastrophic to the passengers.
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If the RPG takes out one rotor the other rotor will continue to operate. This means the helo will go down hard but it does not mean an explosion in the air and a disintegrated aircraft falling to the ground. If the chopper fell off of a cliff and cartwheeled down a mountain that is a different beast. That type of crash could cause catastrophic damage to the passengers and increase the chance of the bird catching on fire.

 Quoting: visitor 1354586


So a hard, violent crash will literally rip the bodies into unidentifiable pieces then......Riiiiiight. There is only one way bodies can be BLOWN TO BITS....and it ain't from ANY kind of mere crash, not in a helo. I doubt a 757 flying at 325+ mph into the face of a granite mountain would explode every body on board.



If you took one of the rotor out, without it to counter the torque.. it will rotate violently and come down really hard, equally catastrophic to the passengers.
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WONDER WHY THEY NEVER LET MARINE RECON IN ON THE FIGHT NOW DAYS.
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 Quoting: anonimalle


The article makes interesting reading.

Could the explosion have been caused by the grenade hitting the helicopter's fuel tank?
 Quoting: Prime Merlinian 1503576


You probably have no idea of what a kilo of semtex would do.
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Seriously doubt it was an RPG. Maybe a heavy machine gun but I would guess a SAM of some sort. Maybe a stinger?
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west coast punch the clock?
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As a former Infantry officer I can tell you that it was a poorly planned and executed op.

First they should have gone in on multiple Black Hawks and inserted the troops in seperate location.

Then, once assessing the situation, converged to relieve the encircled forces. Further, some troops should have been held back in reserve and the helos should have been used to provide air support and later for extraction.

I have commanded combined arms teams before.
 Quoting: Monadnock


Listen up brainiac..

The Chinook bears the name of a tribe of American Indians and also a hot, dry, powerful wind that blows in the Pacific Northwest.

The helicopter can operate at night and in nearly all weather conditions. It has been used widely in Iraq and as part of Operation Enduring Freedom in mountainous Afghanistan, where the high altitude and temperatures have limited the use of the Black Hawk. The Chinook also delivered aid and evacuated the critically injured from some of the most inaccessible and remote parts of Pakistan after the earthquake in 2005. Since then, toy Chinooks have become favorite playthings of Pakistani children, a symbol of American goodwill.

And to the no way 22 SEALS on one helo crowd, this was a pinned down immediate evac call by the Rangers.

Hell, you couldn't have physically prevented them from being on that chopper. I guarantee there were 200 other Spec op warriors trying to get on also.

As to what actually happened, who knows. I lean towards the Stinger theory.

Carry on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1503221


Hey pal, the Chinook has been used since Nam.

It was a poor op order and poor planning. Its failure, the result and they way it failed demonstrated that.

Got that troop? It was as fucked up as Mogadishu. It also call into question the security of the planning of the op.

You don't seriously believe that there was an insufficient number of Black Hawks do you tocarry out both the insertion and extraction??

Duh.....
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From what I have read, Seals had their own equipment including helicopters and they would never consider more than six Seals aboard any helicopter, just for the simple reason the loss would be great. The training expense and many years of experience makes these people very valuable.

If they were ordered to board that National Guard chopper, they would have balked, for the reasons above. Saying that, I do not think these 22 Seals were alive when put into the chopper and blown up on the ground to create the appearance of a chopper being downed by enemy fire.

These people were murdered by friendly's which is consistent with the formula tptb follow. That is, if you can't control them, particularly their mouth, sacrifice them.

I also believe that some of these men were dead following the crash in Pakistan during the phony Bin Laden fiasco. The bodies were preserved by the Pakistanis and turned over to us after negotiation. They put these ones into the chopper and blew it, or, they made that up too. There was no crash as they were already dead from the crash in Pakistan.

Parents, are not allowed to view the remains. That means there will be no civilian Autopsies conducted. These guys could have been machine gunned to death, and we will not know the answers without investigations, which we know our Government does not want.

I'm sorry if it seems that I am focused on conspiracy facts but I hear this is the place to vent them, to what conclusion I do not know. I guess if we bring the truth to the light of day, we will overcome the onslaught of these dark ones who are losing their grip. Things will get worse until they finally reach the conclusion that, you can't beat God!
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Good thinking. It's pretty clear that there are two sides in this and they are not what murdoch's media says.
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Given the deterioration in US-Russian relations, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it weren't a Russian Mandep shoulderfired stinger equivalent or perhaps one one obtained from the Pakistani ISI in retaliation.

Payback.
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He makes a compelling argument. They shouldn't of been that messed up from a low level crash.
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"OBL's" paki neighbor says that four choppers came to the compound only one landed, about 20 troops went inside, there were no shots then when they came out and got in the one chopper it crashed and burned on take off and all inside died..........flash forward a couple months and we now have this "situation"