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Guess Who2 User ID: 1269010 United States 08/12/2011 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course the story doesn't make any sense. It's another big lie quickly told and all buttoned up rapidly by having the very same Taliban shooters already caught and disposed of. Quoting: ForgeEnd of story news at eleven. I agree. As soon as i heard they "got the insurgents that shot down the helo" it confirmed my suspicions. I knew when i heard that widow on the news (i was listening to CNN in the car) she doesn't sincere and then when i saw her on tv that confiirmed my suspicions. She wasnt really crying and upset. Just like someone else said "she's another Susan Smith". This whole fiasco is suspicious!! |
Guess Who2 User ID: 1269010 United States 08/12/2011 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course the story doesn't make any sense. It's another big lie quickly told and all buttoned up rapidly by having the very same Taliban shooters already caught and disposed of. Quoting: ForgeEnd of story news at eleven. I agree. As soon as i heard they "got the insurgents that shot down the helo" it confirmed my suspicions. I knew when i heard that widow on the news (i was listening to CNN in the car) she doesn't sincere and then when i saw her on tv that confiirmed my suspicions. She wasnt really crying and upset. Just like someone else said "she's another Susan Smith". This whole fiasco is suspicious!! |
anonimalle (OP) User ID: 1502931 United States 08/12/2011 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From what I have read, Seals had their own equipment including helicopters and they would never consider more than six Seals aboard any helicopter, just for the simple reason the loss would be great. The training expense and many years of experience makes these people very valuable. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1478193If they were ordered to board that National Guard chopper, they would have balked, for the reasons above. Saying that, I do not think these 22 Seals were alive when put into the chopper and blown up on the ground to create the appearance of a chopper being downed by enemy fire. These people were murdered by friendly's which is consistent with the formula tptb follow. That is, if you can't control them, particularly their mouth, sacrifice them. I also believe that some of these men were dead following the crash in Pakistan during the phony Bin Laden fiasco. The bodies were preserved by the Pakistanis and turned over to us after negotiation. They put these ones into the chopper and blew it, or, they made that up too. There was no crash as they were already dead from the crash in Pakistan. Parents, are not allowed to view the remains. That means there will be no civilian Autopsies conducted. These guys could have been machine gunned to death, and we will not know the answers without investigations, which we know our Government does not want. I'm sorry if it seems that I am focused on conspiracy facts but I hear this is the place to vent them, to what conclusion I do not know. I guess if we bring the truth to the light of day, we will overcome the onslaught of these dark ones who are losing their grip. Things will get worse until they finally reach the conclusion that, you can't beat God! Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1360748 United States 08/12/2011 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why the hell would anyone trust what a damn CIA agent (former or current) said about anything? these guys are professional actors, liarsm and disinfo spooks.. christ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1360748the stupid SEAL helicopter "crash" and everything else related to the stupid Bin Laden fairytale is 100% fabricated military-media psychological operation. you really shouldn't need anyone to tell you that. should be common knowledge by now that they're just making all this shit up. this "former" spook is just fueling more "what REALLY happened?" bullshit that reinforces the core lie that anything happened at all. Maybe. But I think not. I have been a member of his forum for quite some time and I would believe Larry Johnson before I would ever Barack Obama. Larry loves this America. that's fine if you look up to the guy, but it is still foolish to trust anyone that has worked in military intelligence. their jobs are to obfuscate, confuse, and distract. being "retired" or "former" and playing the whole character of going up against the corrupt system they were once a part of. there is so much of this controlled opposition "what really happened" crap floating around. wild goose chases that support core lies that this event even took place. |
anonimalle (OP) User ID: 1502931 United States 08/12/2011 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course the story doesn't make any sense. It's another big lie quickly told and all buttoned up rapidly by having the very same Taliban shooters already caught and disposed of. Quoting: ForgeEnd of story news at eleven. I agree. As soon as i heard they "got the insurgents that shot down the helo" it confirmed my suspicions. I knew when i heard that widow on the news (i was listening to CNN in the car) she doesn't sincere and then when i saw her on tv that confiirmed my suspicions. She wasnt really crying and upset. Just like someone else said "she's another Susan Smith". This whole fiasco is suspicious!! So you think that they are still alive? Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
anonimalle (OP) User ID: 1502931 United States 08/12/2011 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why the hell would anyone trust what a damn CIA agent (former or current) said about anything? these guys are professional actors, liarsm and disinfo spooks.. christ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1360748the stupid SEAL helicopter "crash" and everything else related to the stupid Bin Laden fairytale is 100% fabricated military-media psychological operation. you really shouldn't need anyone to tell you that. should be common knowledge by now that they're just making all this shit up. this "former" spook is just fueling more "what REALLY happened?" bullshit that reinforces the core lie that anything happened at all. Maybe. But I think not. I have been a member of his forum for quite some time and I would believe Larry Johnson before I would ever Barack Obama. Larry loves this America. that's fine if you look up to the guy, but it is still foolish to trust anyone that has worked in military intelligence. their jobs are to obfuscate, confuse, and distract. being "retired" or "former" and playing the whole character of going up against the corrupt system they were once a part of. there is so much of this controlled opposition "what really happened" crap floating around. wild goose chases that support core lies that this event even took place. No of course you may be correct. But I know that there is a proven liar and out of the two I mentioned it is not Larry. Life has certainly got interesting like in that famous Chines curse. Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
DDan User ID: 1503284 Germany 08/12/2011 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or.......they were killed by our own Government. At no Quoting: Nam Marine 1170522time would they put 22 SEAL's on one chopper and fly them into a "hot" LZ! Someone is lying! ^^this^^ +1000 ... and NO Seal would have gotten on it with that many other Seals. They travel as Seal Teams, not Football Teams Last Edited by DDan on 08/12/2011 01:22 PM Kind Regards, Dan |
anonimalle (OP) User ID: 1502931 United States 08/12/2011 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or.......they were killed by our own Government. At no Quoting: Nam Marine 1170522time would they put 22 SEAL's on one chopper and fly them into a "hot" LZ! Someone is lying! This ^^^^ and to top it off, team 6 has not existed since about 1990 Really... hmmmmmm Something Wicked This Way Comes? Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
Da Purple Chicken User ID: 888574 United States 08/12/2011 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or.......they were killed by our own Government. At no Quoting: Nam Marine 1170522time would they put 22 SEAL's on one chopper and fly them into a "hot" LZ! Someone is lying! This ^^^^ and to top it off, team 6 has not existed since about 1990 Really... hmmmmmm Something Wicked This Way Comes? The current top SEAL team is called DEVGRU. Team 6 was disbanded for reasons you will never see discussed. It wasn't until this past year that they began changing everything on the Internet to make it look like DEVGRU was team 6. Before that, if you even mentioned the existence of a team 6 on the SEAL forum, you'd be immediately shut down. So, they used a nonexistent SEAL team to kill a nonexistent terrorist and then killed off the nonexistent SEALs - no OBL body - no SEAL bodies. “If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.” Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
anonimalle (OP) User ID: 1502931 United States 08/12/2011 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Or.......they were killed by our own Government. At no Quoting: Nam Marine 1170522time would they put 22 SEAL's on one chopper and fly them into a "hot" LZ! Someone is lying! This ^^^^ and to top it off, team 6 has not existed since about 1990 Really... hmmmmmm Something Wicked This Way Comes? The current top SEAL team is called DEVGRU. Team 6 was disbanded for reasons you will never see discussed. It wasn't until this past year that they began changing everything on the Internet to make it look like DEVGRU was team 6. Before that, if you even mentioned the existence of a team 6 on the SEAL forum, you'd be immediately shut down. So, they used a nonexistent SEAL team to kill a nonexistent terrorist and then killed off the nonexistent SEALs - no OBL body - no SEAL bodies. To use another old saying, the plot thickens. This site has some of the most knowledgeable people. Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 108458 United States 08/12/2011 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DEAD SEALS DON'T SQUEAL. (Can you say 'STINGER'?) Quoting: Earthling on UranusSomething was wrong with this from the start. Will someone from the Pentagon step in and do an investigation and make an arrest? your naivete is staggering. Let me get this straight; You want those most likely responsible to investigate themselves? Gee, I wonder what the outcome will be. |
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anonimalle (OP) User ID: 1502931 United States 08/12/2011 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DEAD SEALS DON'T SQUEAL. (Can you say 'STINGER'?) Quoting: Earthling on UranusSomething was wrong with this from the start. Will someone from the Pentagon step in and do an investigation and make an arrest? your naivete is staggering. Let me get this straight; You want those most likely responsible to investigate themselves? Gee, I wonder what the outcome will be. Well who do you suggest? I may be naive but I do care. Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
anonimalle (OP) User ID: 1502931 United States 08/12/2011 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | do high ranking officials or generals in the US military have any authority to charge the govt and/or CIA with treason? Quoting: xenThink it takes 3 Generals to make that arrest. Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
SmartestOne User ID: 1486221 United States 08/12/2011 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That said, even a broken clock is right twice a day, and there are nuggets of truth in all good bullshit. This guy is throwing out a possibiility with ZERO evidence to back it up. This looks like disinfo bullshit to further muddy the waters about what really happened to the SEALs. ~The most plagiarized poster on GLP!~ Paultards started the war, but I won it! Ron Paul: Pro Amnesty [link to teapartywest.com] Ron Paul's Golden Globalism [link to killtheempire.blogspot.com] Paul Supports Globalization and One World Currency [link to libertyrevival.wordpress.com] Ron Paul Gives "Horned Hand" Sign [link to troyspace2.wordpress.com] Ron Paul Flashing Satanic Hand Signs [link to ssl.scroogle.org (secure)] Ron Paul Gives Masonic Handshake /Decades in DC = HIGH-DEGREE Freemason [link to freemasonry-watch.blogspot.com] Ron Paul and the Jesuits [link to www.spirituallysmart.com] Devvy Kidd Rips Paul a New One [link to www.newswithviews.com] Paul always talks about LIBERTY, hardly ever FREEDOM. What "LIBERTY" Means to Freemasons [link to www.texemarrs.com] Lewis Lehrman, Paul's coauthor: Yale grad, Woodrow Wilson Fellow at Harvard, Knight of Malta [link to revoltnow.wetpaint.com] Paul's Austrian School of Economics hero, Ludwig Von Mises, participant in Pan European Union movement and sponsored by Rockefeller [link to watch.pair.com] Paul camp hires NEOCON ZIONIST FASCIST "PIMP" LOBBYIST Bruce Fein [link to www.boilingfrogspost.com] Ron Paul Descended from Knights Templar and Nazis [link to imageshack.us] *The USA has NOT BEEN HIJACKED! Learn the TRUTH! 200+ years of LIES AND DECEPTION unmasked! Discount for GLP posters! Contact me for details* Your ignorance does not constitute "craziness" on the part of others. Let's talk Freemasonry! I'm armed with Pike, Mackey, and Hall. |
Da Purple Chicken User ID: 888574 United States 08/12/2011 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True technically ST6 nolonger exists, but it amounts to nothing more than a name change. In military circles, whenever someone talks about Seal Team 6, they know you are talking about DEVGRU. Quoting: Professional Soldier 1496241But, we're not talking military circles - we're talking the MSM story aimed at ignorant civilians. And, it was more than just a name change - or should I say, within the name change itself and it's reasons lie the signifigance... “If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.” Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8 "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson revstargazer (at) hotmail.com |
xen User ID: 1344279 Australia 08/12/2011 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Think it takes 3 Generals to make that arrest. Quoting: anonimallehopefully they get a chance soon, hard to imagine a 'true' general agreeing with this (and any other false flag treason). would take a herculean effort but someone will be up for the task. surely someone has been collecting evidence and is patiently waiting. I'd put money on it.. or maybe you'll get protest fever in the next year or so giving them a mandate.. would be ironic if the armed forces took back control of your country and reinstated democracy.. stranger things have happened.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1298696 United States 08/12/2011 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Site was linked earlier but found the article and timeline interesting. [link to www.4yourcountry.org] So at the least the admst leaked classified information for their own personnel gain. -2006-2008 (Estimated): Hurt Locker's Bigelow/Boal start development effort for film about the hunt for Bin Laden, focused around Tora Bora - based on book "Kill Bin Laden" purportedly authored by Special Forces officer involved in Tora Bora Film languished in studios given no definitive ending. -Jan 13, 2011: Bigelow/Boal receive key funding from Megan Ellison, Oracle's Larry Ellison's Daughter. Variety Article claims "Film took Shape" after Boal was provided classified information regarding Hunt for Bin Laden -Feb 18, 2011: Obama Supporter, Larry Ellison, has private dinner with other Tech Titans and Obama -June/July 2010: Hurt team's Boal learns Bin Laden Hunt Intensifying -April 19, 2011: Sony hosted Obama fundraiser -April 29, 2011: Film Casts lead actor for Bin Laden film (Joel Edgerton) -May 1, 2011: Bin Laden Killed by Seal Team Six -May 10, 2011: Maureen Dowd article describing planned Bin Laden movie -May 24, 2011: Sony Pictures Secures production rights to Bin Laden film -May 27, 2011: Announcement that Columbia Pictures had received distribution rights for "Black Ops film about the Hund for Bin Laden" -Aug 6, 2011: Maureen Dowd article describing how Hurt Locker producers were given special classified access to Seal Team Six and OBL mission details -Aug 9, 2011: Rep King asks for internal investigation with respect to Dowd assertion to classified disclosures -Aug 10, 2011: Spokesman Carney denys any classified information was provided to filmmakers -Oct 12, 2012: Planned release of Bin Laden film |
anonimalle (OP) User ID: 1502931 United States 08/12/2011 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no such thing as a "former" CIA agent. You are a company man for life. Quoting: SmartestOneThat said, even a broken clock is right twice a day, and there are nuggets of truth in all good bullshit. This guy is throwing out a possibiility with ZERO evidence to back it up. This looks like disinfo bullshit to further muddy the waters about what really happened to the SEALs. Anything is possible and some things likely. So what do you think happened? Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1496241 United States 08/12/2011 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True technically ST6 nolonger exists, but it amounts to nothing more than a name change. In military circles, whenever someone talks about Seal Team 6, they know you are talking about DEVGRU. Quoting: Professional Soldier 1496241But, we're not talking military circles - we're talking the MSM story aimed at ignorant civilians. And, it was more than just a name change - or should I say, within the name change itself and it's reasons lie the signifigance... All true, my only point was that no matter what you call them, or what really happened, there are still several dead sailors, airmen, and soldiers. And thats tragic. By the way we need civilians to care and ask questions more often, in my opinion. |
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anonimalle (OP) User ID: 1502931 United States 08/12/2011 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | True technically ST6 nolonger exists, but it amounts to nothing more than a name change. In military circles, whenever someone talks about Seal Team 6, they know you are talking about DEVGRU. Quoting: Professional Soldier 1496241But, we're not talking military circles - we're talking the MSM story aimed at ignorant civilians. And, it was more than just a name change - or should I say, within the name change itself and it's reasons lie the signifigance... All true, my only point was that no matter what you call them, or what really happened, there are still several dead sailors, airmen, and soldiers. And thats tragic. By the way we need civilians to care and ask questions more often, in my opinion. Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
Monadnock User ID: 1498831 United States 08/12/2011 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What Still Bothers Me About the Downed Chinook Quoting: anonimalleThe catastrophic nature of the crash of the Chinook that took the lives of Navy SEALs, the Chinook’s US Army Reserve air crew, and seven Afghan soldiers raises some troubling questions. We have seen helos brought down with RPGs before. Two went down in the streets of Mogadishu, Somalia back in 1993. Neither exploded and the bodies recovered were not unrecognizable because of the crash. So what happened to the Chinook that went down last Saturday? [link to www.noquarterusa.net] What if he theory is close to the truth, but just close. I will post my take in a while, but let me hear yours. Larry Johnson the owner of No Quarter is a former CIA Agent. He runs a good forum too. As a former Infantry officer I can tell you that it was a poorly planned and executed op. First they should have gone in on multiple Black Hawks and inserted the troops in seperate location. Then, once assessing the situation, converged to relieve the encircled forces. Further, some troops should have been held back in reserve and the helos should have been used to provide air support and later for extraction. I have commanded combined arms teams before. Captain Marjorie, US Army |
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anonimalle (OP) User ID: 1502931 United States 08/12/2011 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Left over stingers fro mthe previous afhgan war would do the job properly in destroying those helos. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 281126Like TWA Flight 800on July 17, 1996? I think it was brought down by one of them. Why did not the US government take back those weapons when they were offered them back? Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
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anonimalle (OP) User ID: 1502931 United States 08/12/2011 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By the way, I wouldn't want a CIA agent commanding the OP. Quoting: MonadnockOh mainly I like nothing about the CIA. There have been so many books about CIA black ops that it does make one think. I like LJ but I don't know him or love him. What I do like is his forum and he did write a thoughtful article and it was worth reading to me. Also I like more than anything reading the comment sections. Thanks for your input. showed my brother what you wrote and he agreed with it. Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… Que Sera Sera "For not by numbers of men nor by measure of body but by valor of soul is war decided" Bilisarius " At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war." Gates of Vienna. "May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck." |
Monadnock User ID: 1498831 United States 08/12/2011 03:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Left over stingers fro mthe previous afhgan war would do the job properly in destroying those helos. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 281126Like TWA Flight 800on July 17, 1996? I think it was brought down by one of them. Why did not the US government take back those weapons when they were offered them back? Could have been an old Stinger or the Russian version IGLA-S. Payback for the 80's! Captain Marjorie, US Army |