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The Source of ALL Religion

 
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just because the sumerians wrote it down first doesn't automatically make them correct :-)

I believe although the Bible came later it offers a far more accurate, and useful, account :-)

we are all free to believe as we wish. it is obvious me good and evil both exist -- and for me the Bible portrays WHY. and, gives a WAY THROUGH, and ultimately OUT ;-)

love peace and joy

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the book of job was pre-Sumerian.


keep denying so you wont be held accountable for your actions.
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This is whole of the point - in all things and in all ways, we are either choosing self worship or worshiping The One True and Living God!
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hf
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Three one star ratings here. Apparently there are people who have not opened up there minds yet...
 Quoting: ChopinRocks


I gave you a 5 :) you are completely right....as a child I used to be a bibletard too but as I evolved I searched for the root of all religions and what I found was the Sumerian history a history that makes perfect sense as the starting place.
Educate yourself! The more you know the better of a chance you have to survive a world as crazy as ours. Knowledge is Power! .
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No kidding OP, funny.. that's what the Bible says.

Nimrod (also called Euechoios of Caldea or Enmerkar of Babylon) set it off, he and his wife Semiramis more or less coined the idea of priestdom - and within just a few years, hundreds of contesting religions formed. A bit later in the city of Babylon alone there were no less than 200 active unique religious groups!

It was the first instance of using the notion of "divide et impera" that I have found in the history books. Religions were used to muddy the "waters of truth". By having the population split into diverse minorities, fear of united uprising to upset TPTB was effectively nullified. Brilliant.

Hence, Babylon is referred to the the mother of religion and aptly "The Great Harlot".

There's never been a whore to TPTB like religious twats.

One of the greatest people to have cut the bullshit was Moses. It's no wonder the israelites had the most refined version of uncut truths since they were intimate with both Babylon *and* Egypt,- THE movers and shakers of religion bar none, and their records of the past, the israelites themselves having served in the highest echolons of power under their relative masters of the time.

It didn't take forever for the slaves to ursurp the thrones of their masters... but thats another thread..
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one more thing OP...so Babylonian mystery religions with its roots in cultic metaphysic theosophy communicating with demons are the same as faith-grace based christianity.

you fools paint with such broad strokes ("ALL") when the BIBLE speaks on specifics.



didnt know the sumer tabletsa speak of a land where the almighty God dwells or will establish his kingdom in ZION in the land he promised Abraham and his (spiritual and physical) descendants we call jerusalem in the modern state of ISRAEL....specifics see.


the sad thing is even when the seals get cracked and the witnesses get revealed many, repeat MANY will still deny the power of the living SON OF GOD.

yeshua hamashiach

may the LORD GOD have mercy on you soul.


IN THE BOOK OF JOB SAYS GOD OF THE BIBLE STATES HIS WORD PREDATES ASTROTHEOLOGY.

a Hebrew word which means in general
"The Constellations of the Zodiac."
The book of Job, which is thought to be the oldest book in the Bible,
goes back to approximately 2,150 B.C.,



31Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
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....as a child I used to be a bibletard too but as I evolved I searched for the root of all religions and what I found was the Sumerian history a history that makes perfect sense as the starting place.
 Quoting: soulenlightenment


I'm old, gettin' gray and "a bible-tard" (as I used to call 'em, and still sometimes do ;D) apparently not alot of people have dug as deep as me.. as much as I hate it (I used to be an Atheist), a Bible in the *right* hands is the most powerful weapon of truth. People just tend to shut down the rest of their brain and whatever else they learned to defend it. I integrate without forfeiting even a sliver of integrity.

But don't worry, I don't preach much, I just answer hard questions. Which doesn't make me the greatest "Christer" - lol - but what the heck..
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This is whole of the point - in all things and in all ways, we are either choosing self worship or worshiping The One True and Living God!
 Quoting: jdb


hf
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TY Guano :-)
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!
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Three one star ratings here. Apparently there are people who have not opened up there minds yet...
 Quoting: ChopinRocks


I gave you a 5 :) you are completely right....as a child I used to be a bibletard too but as I evolved I searched for the root of all religions and what I found was the Sumerian history a history that makes perfect sense as the starting place.
 Quoting: soulenlightenment


Then (respecfully) you have chosen *your* way - my concern is that your way is going to fail you! We are (all of us) fallen and broken beyond our own ability to repair ourselves! The very best any of us can do, is accept The Work of repair that Jesus wrought upon The Cross! Choose Jesus...choose Life!

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....as a child I used to be a bibletard too but as I evolved I searched for the root of all religions and what I found was the Sumerian history a history that makes perfect sense as the starting place.
 Quoting: soulenlightenment


I'm old, gettin' gray and "a bible-tard" (as I used to call 'em, and still sometimes do ;D) apparently not alot of people have dug as deep as me.. as much as I hate it (I used to be an Atheist), a Bible in the *right* hands is the most powerful weapon of truth. People just tend to shut down the rest of their brain and whatever else they learned to defend it. I integrate without forfeiting even a sliver of integrity.

But don't worry, I don't preach much, I just answer hard questions. Which doesn't make me the greatest "Christer" - lol - but what the heck..
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Praise God!
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"Religion was created by the rich, to keep the servants from stealing the silver ware off the table"
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The source of all religion is not any particular people's mythology, but the fact that we have deep questions that we can't answer. Science has taken over from religion in many areas, but we still don't have all the answers about consciousness, subjective experience, what happens after death and other questions of that nature. As long as we don't have the answers to such basic questions, religion in some form will exist. Religion becomes a problem when its dogmas become so entrenched that people start to forget what the original question was.
 Quoting: Alison 828421


You are correct, I'd love to say "Praise Jesus, I have the answer". Well, maybe not. In any case, it is a testement to the integrity of man to be able to say "I don't know".

What is it that makes a dad sacrifice his life for his kid, makes you cry when your dog dies. I just watched a video of two elephants reuniting after 20 years apart. The love they showed each other was quite moving. Hell, I still get teared up watching Jimmy Stewart in "It's a Wonderfull Life". It's only natural. My conclusion is that 'love' is the most powerfull emotion we have. Where we get that from "I don't know", but neither do the tards who pretend they know.
 Quoting: ChopinRocks


There is an interesting paradox going on in your mind. To say that love is the most powerful emotion we have and that no one can know where love comes from doesn't make sense. A truly loving God (or whatever you choose to call the entity) would not leave us in a state of "I don't know". So then, you must think that a neutral being created love for us while not partaking of it himself.
 Quoting: Jenann


True, there is a lot of many things going on in my head, as there should in everybodies. A mind is not something that should lay dormant.

I'm sorry you don't understand. Admitting that I don't know just means that I don't fall prey to the argument from ignorance.
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the book of job was pre-Sumerian.


keep denying so you wont be held accountable for your actions.
 Quoting: alexblanelayder 1422307


The only one held accountable for your actions is you. Sometimes your concious plays tricks on you though, so be carefull and be a good person just for the sake of it.

Albiet the book of Job does not fit into the timeline of the bible, it does not predate the Sumerians.
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Three one star ratings here. Apparently there are people who have not opened up there minds yet...
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I gave you a 5 :) you are completely right....as a child I used to be a bibletard too but as I evolved I searched for the root of all religions and what I found was the Sumerian history a history that makes perfect sense as the starting place.
 Quoting: soulenlightenment


hf
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the book of job was pre-Sumerian.


keep denying so you wont be held accountable for your actions.
 Quoting: alexblanelayder 1422307


The only one held accountable for your actions is you. Sometimes your concious plays tricks on you though, so be carefull and be a good person just for the sake of it.

Albiet the book of Job does not fit into the timeline of the bible, it does not predate the Sumerians.
 Quoting: ChopinRocks


Predates it by about a 1,000 years
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Three one star ratings here. Apparently there are people who have not opened up there minds yet...
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I gave you a 5 :) you are completely right....as a child I used to be a bibletard too but as I evolved I searched for the root of all religions and what I found was the Sumerian history a history that makes perfect sense as the starting place.
 Quoting: soulenlightenment


Then (respecfully) you have chosen *your* way - my concern is that your way is going to fail you! We are (all of us) fallen and broken beyond our own ability to repair ourselves! The very best any of us can do, is accept The Work of repair that Jesus wrought upon The Cross! Choose Jesus...choose Life!

Peace to you
 Quoting: jdb


jbd, that's not very nice of you to inflict your personal belief in order to create fear in someone else's mind.

This is an example of why so many of us are tired of religitards. I know not all of you do it, but plenty of you do. You can not see the forest for the tree.

Or choose death.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
-Matt. 10:34
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"Religion was created by the rich, to keep the servants from stealing the silver ware off the table"
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Is it true, are you people really braindead?


Recovering religiholics are us! hfhf
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brain dead?

how about dismissing out of hand the possibility of highly evolved beings that were recognized as Gods by primitive humans>?

and then...those 'god' beings, some of them actually trying to help the retarded human race, lays down some laws for them .....so they can EVOLVE.

then..it devolves into religions..lots of them...with neanderthal humans trying to get money for their 'truth' ...others using religion for control...others using religion because they are weak minded....

you cannot dismiss all history of the 'gods' as false. To do so is ignorant.

hey op, are you ignorant?

and beyond that...can you explain the source of life itself? can you explain self awareness?

can you explain the conscious differences between a plant, an animal and a human?

nah. didn't think sol
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middle east is not the source of all religion. there are a lot of different religions on the planet. south american religions, chinese philosophies, japanese religion, nordic beliefs, all differ from each other.

however, NONE of them have anything in common with the religions that are out of middle east. ie, sumerian origin. caanan/arabian peninsula shit.

while the other religions on the planet evolved from daily lives and natural needs, or ponderings of people regarding the existence, middle east religions have been always power schemes which put an all powerful priest-king of a 'single' god on top of all other people to control them. basically, they are control and repression schemes. presence of a priest caste may also accompany depending on times the religion was popped out.

in short, anything that is out of middle east is one element in a series of shit that follow and reinforce its predecessors' repressive schemes. this includes ruling over the people as a divine right to repression of women or invading and subduing other societies to forcefully convert or enslave them.

it is as such right from the roots of middle eastern beliefs in the priest-king cults of the warring farming city-states to islam.

I get a big kick out of reading the endless mish-mosh of religious dogma and everyones hostile opinion of it on here. What completely boggles my mind is that (new glp'rs aside) all you religiholics can not possibly have missed reading about astro-theology and the given references of the ancient Sumerian tablets which have been deciphered for our perusal.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

You have heard of the phrase "Follow the Money", well, just use that tactic in regards religion and follow the myth. Don't waist your time getting bogged down in the endless minutiae ALL THE VARIOUS RELIGIONS offer. Christianity, Islam, Judaism and all the rest owe a big thank you to the Sumarian mythology.

That is your source.

Go to it and be a highly informed individual that can proudly discuss with others the origin of religion without feeling like you are not quite telling the truth. Everyone else is just trying to make a buck on the ignorance of suckers.
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I get a big kick out of reading the endless mish-mosh of religious dogma and everyones hostile opinion of it on here. What completely boggles my mind is that (new glp'rs aside) all you religiholics can not possibly have missed reading about astro-theology and the given references of the ancient Sumerian tablets which have been deciphered for our perusal.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

You have heard of the phrase "Follow the Money", well, just use that tactic in regards religion and follow the myth. Don't waist your time getting bogged down in the endless minutiae ALL THE VARIOUS RELIGIONS offer. Christianity, Islam, Judaism and all the rest owe a big thank you to the Sumarian mythology.

That is your source.

Go to it and be a highly informed individual that can proudly discuss with others the origin of religion without feeling like you are not quite telling the truth. Everyone else is just trying to make a buck on the ignorance of suckers.
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BULLSHIT! Every society has created some form of greater Diety since the beginning of time. Chinese, Indians, American Indians, Greeks, Romans, and ALL the rest etc have created a GOD in their beliefs because there is a GOD. The basic concept of a Diety is the same, so its fucking real!!! They all have different names and somewhat different beliefs but the concept of a GOD is the same. The main difference between now and then is it is now ORGANIZED RELIGION that controls the population via fear or financial gain or whatever. Those in power abused the people and everything you are taught today is Pure Bullshit! Jesus called the Church a Den of Thieves for a reason!!!
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The OP is correct in that all organized religions originated in Sumer are correct; but the main premise of this thread, that this is the ultimate source is highly incorrect, it is but penultimate.

 Quoting: DFO 1461309


Thank you, but if you noticed in the thread, I said it is the ultimate source (as far as we know) regards recorded history. I'm just as interested as the next dude if there are older recorded sources...
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"(As far as WE know)" There exists myriad other records, and more are discovered all the time. Unless you have been educated in the various Orders, or hold high office in the Church of Rome, these are not available to the uninitiate at this time, (or any preceding time).

I attempted to illustrate the historical events that led to modern civilization in Sumer; being false religion and money as these are readily discernible to any investigator with no further documentation needed.

These two simple truths are the fundament of power; they are, as always, very protected.

And I'm looking forward to staying behind on land with the more rational minded of us...
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You may conceivably see your wish come to fruition. After the unprecedented global destruction between Islam and Christianity the survivors will become highly motivated (properly led) to abolish all forms of public religion save one (ala Constantine) which will be a Earth protective based precept. All other forms will be utterly, ruthlessly and permanently eradicated. At this time limited truths about preceding religious history will become revealed to the uninitiate.

Thus is the future of your history.
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Three one star ratings here. Apparently there are people who have not opened up there minds yet...
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I gave you a 5 :) you are completely right....as a child I used to be a bibletard too but as I evolved I searched for the root of all religions and what I found was the Sumerian history a history that makes perfect sense as the starting place.
 Quoting: soulenlightenment


Then (respecfully) you have chosen *your* way - my concern is that your way is going to fail you! We are (all of us) fallen and broken beyond our own ability to repair ourselves! The very best any of us can do, is accept The Work of repair that Jesus wrought upon The Cross! Choose Jesus...choose Life!

Peace to you
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jbd, that's not very nice of you to inflict your personal belief in order to create fear in someone else's mind.

This is an example of why so many of us are tired of religitards. I know not all of you do it, but plenty of you do. You can not see the forest for the tree.

Or choose death.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
-Matt. 10:34
 Quoting: ChopinRocks


Oh man...its not that I am not being nice and its *absolutely* not about my personal belief! I ran the gamut on searching for answers...most of which was deep in eastern philosophy, Vaishnava religion (Hare Krishna)to occultism and witchcraft...not to mention my attempts at escaping by first running to Catholicism, then LDS or Mormonism, then JW's, then heretical "word of faith" christianity et al! I have been physically beaten senseless by demons...I have, at will, traveled outside of my body...I know first hand that the supernatural exists BUT I was deep enough into these things that I ended upon beyond the surface veneer and paid dearly for it...and I am sorry and regret all of it! Nevertheless, through reason I have come to know that Jesus is The Way, Truth and Life! I am sorry for irking you...and agree with me or not...does it not matter that if I see a burning building I run inside to pull people out? I know the division His Word causes...but He said it bring division! I know you don't believe it, but my hope is for you and your eternity!

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You are so right OP. Have you read the lost book of Enki? It explains a lot that one can find in all religions.
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The OP is correct in that all organized religions originated in Sumer are correct; but the main premise of this thread, that this is the ultimate source is highly incorrect, it is but penultimate.
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OP is a product of state MSM brainwashing.

An archaeological relic from Sumer does not prove it is the oldest text in textual criticism. The Bible is the oldest text on the planet confirmed by the SCIENCE and a long HISTORY.

Babylon and the Bible
Author: Professor Walter J. Veith, PhD

Two hundred years ago, scholars doubted whether Babylon ever existed. The only record could be found in the Bible. Critics used the story of Babylon, and what they called its "non-historic kings," to discount Scripture. However, Babylon was discovered and excavated in 1898.

We know today that Babylon was one of the first cities in the world, and founded by Nimrod, great-grandson of Noah (Genesis 10:9-10). Archaeologists have found his name on many inscriptions and tablets, while a massive head of Nimrod has been excavated near Calah on the Tigris River.

[link to amazingdiscoveries.org]
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This is an example of why so many of us are tired of religitards. I know not all of you do it, but plenty of you do. You can not see the forest for the tree.

Or choose death.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
-Matt. 10:34
 Quoting: ChopinRocks


Marxist spin. The verse has nothing to do with the sword of violence. But as a non Christian you have no interest in preaching truth. Read the rest of the passage and it is about exactly what we are doing here, reasoning biblical truth and division between family.

"Religion was created by the rich, to keep the servants from stealing the silver ware off the table"
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cruise
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The rich come from Rome's empire which fell due to the Bible and Protestantism. Fail. The rich are evil masonic-marxist-illuminati, like you! The Bible says have no part with them. Fail.
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I get a big kick out of reading the endless mish-mosh of religious dogma and everyones hostile opinion of it on here. What completely boggles my mind is that (new glp'rs aside) all you religiholics can not possibly have missed reading about astro-theology and the given references of the ancient Sumerian tablets which have been deciphered for our perusal.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

You have heard of the phrase "Follow the Money", well, just use that tactic in regards religion and follow the myth. Don't waist your time getting bogged down in the endless minutiae ALL THE VARIOUS RELIGIONS offer. Christianity, Islam, Judaism and all the rest owe a big thank you to the Sumarian mythology.

That is your source.

Go to it and be a highly informed individual that can proudly discuss with others the origin of religion without feeling like you are not quite telling the truth. Everyone else is just trying to make a buck on the ignorance of suckers.
 Quoting: ChopinRocks


Religion was created by a very resourceful girl named Little Debbie who also founded a snack company which manufactures snacks on Venus. These are most favored by the Dracos because they all taste like giant marshmellows.

For example are you aware of the fact that there are little aliens living inside the MOON?
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The moon, I wasn't aware of that... rofl

Maybe the ingredients in Little Debbie products are what causes brainlock. Ha ha ha
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Gotta love it, and certainly a factor in the dumping down of mankind, that and all the phosphate additives to things.
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My point is not to prove or disprove the existence of God or gods.

Astro-theology does not confirm the bible, the bible confirms astro-theology. Which do you think came first?

Prophesy is nothing but a flawed concept that anyone can manipulate since it is progression based.

There is nothing strang about the Nation of Israel's heritage, they simply stole the myths of the Egyptians, put a twist on it and called it their own.
There is absolutely zero verifiable evidence of the person of jesus. Period.

Don't get me started on the miraculous rise and domination of Christianity against all odds... This being a major contributor of the dumbing down of society.

The Torah is, again, nothing but plagiarism. Interesting you did not mention the Talmud, the real source of religious genocide.



Open up your mind and realize your full potential as an informed citizen. Reasearch the Sumerian mythology.
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What really bothers me the most about religitards is that they are convinced that books written by men are "God's word".
How could it be God's word if men wrote it? Doesn't anyone ever use any logic?

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Well these ones have been mind controlled to believe the Holy spirit made sure it was ok, but any serious reading of the bible anyway, and the Quran which I have read (most readable english translation there of), and all those endless terrible translations of everything and seen thru the bull, they are the ones listening to the "holy spirit" within. These ones do not see the holy spirit within themselves at all.

and then this "holy spirit" also somehow has a penis to manufacture the Body of Jesus too......................... Not a lot of thinking going on, NOPE.

This is a great thread:Love thread:
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It does not matter where when or how RELIGION was created or by whom.

This is just another one of those hate filled religion persecution threads.
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It does in fact matter very much, for knowledge is personal power. There is no excuse for a grown adult spouting off their personal choice brand of dogma without first thouroughly disecting the history behind it.

As far as hate goes, I don't hate religitards. Love is the prime mover of all things...

hf
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AGREED. And this mind control they have not dissected, is the root of a lot of evil in this world, because when they will NOT dissect something, they serve "Mammon" or their "satan" and apparently know it not.
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Babylon was founded by Noah's g-grandson just as the Bible says. The dating techniques used by the pagans claiming Sumer is the oldest civ ever have been discredited by other scientists.
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Got a credible link to that? ( by credible I don't mean some woo woo evangelical site}
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You are welcome to research Nimrod. I use all sources and do not censor any.
 Quoting: DW 1505029


the Oldest civilization since the last big cleanse of the planet, OR THE REAL oldest civilization? There were large civilizations on this planet 1 million years ago, from colonization. The Black and Yellow races colonized that area well over 1 million years ago.

FACT: 5 global civilizations in the last 200,000 years have bit the dust. And now that some buried civilizations ARE being found, it is sure going to put a nail in the coffin of all that "history" suggesting no great ones have walked the earth before now.

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