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How can Jews get into heaven if they don't believe in Jesus

 
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Then they get into heaven the same way Buddhist's, Muslims, Hindu's and atheist's get into it.
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All of you are just stupid... Isreal is still under the original covenent. That hasn't changed, nor can what we call God change that either.
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Sure. Read the terms of the Covenant here:

Numbers 15:29 But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or alien, blasphemes the LORD, and that person must be cut off from his people.

They deny Jesus being the Messiah. What do you think does it mean according to the Law?
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Then they get into heaven the same way Buddhist's, Muslims, Hindu's and atheist's get into it.
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Muslims believe in Jesus the same way Christians do, except that he is God.
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Then they get into heaven the same way Buddhist's, Muslims, Hindu's and atheist's get into it.
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Muslims believe in Jesus the same way Christians do, except that he is God.
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Jesus was VERY clear that He is God: John 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I AM!

Also, any who die while serving other gods (Buddha, Hindu, Islam etc) will spend eternity separated from The One True and Living God, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! They don't get *in* to Heaven: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me.
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!
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For those who are actually paying attention. Jews are the most anti-christian people on the face of the earth. Now the ignorant Christian will start to feel faint at these words but the truth will stand.

Just look at the names of who is attacking Christianity.

Just look at Hollywood that is run by the jews and their take on Jesus and Christianity.

Just look at the names of the people who are constantly attacking our Christian holidays.

Sorry folks but you can ignore the truth but you cannot ignore the consequences of the truth.

Jesus is the savior, those of do not believe in him will not go to His place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1502628


I used to consider myself an evangelical christian but I've changed my way of thinking concerning some things. This post is right on...what the jews are doing though, (some) is wooing christians because they are "God's chosen people" however--there is a reason why God has to deal with the Jews in the End Times or the Great Tribulation. They rejected him and many are of the Synagog of Satan. As Christians, we are taught to pray for the peace of Jeruselum but I've stopped taking "their side" because of the truth--and that truth is they are behind much of the satanic evil (i.e. Hollywood/Pornography et al) in the world. Jesus himself said no one comes to the Father but through me. Pretty cut and dry. Jesus was not mistaken, he was who he said he is. You only support them if they accept Christ. You don't hate them--that is never acceptable. But you do not support that which is against Jesus Christ. It's true what the above poster said--if you ever listened to their view point of christians and what they really think about the goyim--you would not support them.
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Then they get into heaven the same way Buddhist's, Muslims, Hindu's and atheist's get into it.
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Muslims believe in Jesus the same way Christians do, except that he is God.
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Jesus was VERY clear that He is God: John 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I AM!
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ROFL, since when being before a man means being God?


BTW, Jesus was speaking about Melchizedek.
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Then they get into heaven the same way Buddhist's, Muslims, Hindu's and atheist's get into it.
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Muslims believe in Jesus the same way Christians do, except that he is God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1249552


Jesus was VERY clear that He is God: John 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I AM!
 Quoting: jdb


ROFL, since when being before a man means being God?


BTW, Jesus was speaking about Melchizedek.
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"I AM" is not the name of God.


"I am who I AM" is.


I AM HE (Jesus Christ, but NOT the other way !!!).
Before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after ME.
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. I, I have declared and saved, and made known, and there was no foreign mighty one among you. And you are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “that I am God. Isaiah 43:10-11
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Never came to anyone mind that there are maybe more than just one heaven?

I say they go to the jew heaven, while the christian goes to the christian heaven.
True Love flows out like the waters,
Nurturing all who would drink from it.
True Love does as the Stars.
True Love does as the Sun - it shines
on the evil as well as the righteous.
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Who said that they will go to heaven?
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Never came to anyone mind that there are maybe more than just one heaven?

I say they go to the jew heaven, while the christian goes to the christian heaven.
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We speak here about the eternal salvation not the nirvanas, buddha.
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Then they get into heaven the same way Buddhist's, Muslims, Hindu's and atheist's get into it.
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Muslims believe in Jesus the same way Christians do, except that he is God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1249552


Jesus was VERY clear that He is God: John 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I AM!
 Quoting: jdb


ROFL, since when being before a man means being God?


BTW, Jesus was speaking about Melchizedek.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


No need to demean me by laughing at me - I do not disrespect you by laughing at you - whether you receive it or not, agree or not, the fact is I am pursuing a conversation with you because I believe you are in eternal danger! Again, I am not assuming you will agree with me, but I am compelled nonetheless to try and do my best based upon The Foundation of His Word!

I believe fully that Malchizedek was a pre-incarnate appearance of Yahushua/Jesus, nevertheless, John 1:1-5 is (again) very clear....Joh 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were created through Him, and without Him not even one thing was created that has come into being.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it." The word "overtake" is also "comprehend" "find" "obtain" "perceive" "take"
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!
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Re: How can Jews get into heaven if they don't believe in Jesus
I have asked the same question from ultra pro israel christian zionists..but none of them can give direct answer...it doesnt make sense christians would support government which is anti-christian (Israel gov is discriminating against messianic jews and christians in general.
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I understand your question completely. I used to consider myself to be one of those and the simple truth is: Your point is completely valid. God will protect/punish/deal with the Jews in his own way and his own time. You are not anti-Jew because you don't "support" them. Most people will not admit (the evangelical christians) that Jews in the media put down christians...and think them inferior. One might say, but those are just the Hollywood jews on tv...that doesn't truly represent them. But I beg to differ--that's the way most of them are. The Jews aren't this sinless people who can do no wrong...on the contrary, God is waiting for the perfect time--and then he will deal with them and their unbelief and God-rejecting ways. I believe they are afraid of what will happen if they "turn away from supporting the Jews"...meaning God will punish our nation, etc. It goes back to elevating "God's chosen people" I say all I can do is pray for them and let God be God.
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You believe in yet another false prophet.
You believe in a lie they told you, a system of control.
When the Jewish Messiah comes back in our days you will all see the truth as it is, god will rise again as the king of all worlds.
We are all being taught a lesson.
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You are looking for a worldly God. Not a God of the spirit and soul. Jesus was good and holy. Your anti-christ savior will not be good and holy. Jesus was who he said he was, and that is the truth. You believe in a lie.
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That's why you have to embrace catholicism, it teaches you that no one can go to the father if it isn't through his son Jesus.

Protestants and others teach you all kind of confusing bullshit.


You are totally full of shit.....it is the catholics that teach that there are many ways to get to heaven other than Jesus Christ. You cathlics are lairs and make me sick with your lies.
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Not only that, if you read your precious catachism (former catholic here) then you will see that they come right on and say that. Google it and see. Can't remember if it was #841 but it says Muslims and Jews get to heaven. That contradicts what Jesus says. They will only get to heaven by way of Jesus Christ...
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I had a pretty heated argument over this subject with family member. I have asked several people, but no one knows the answer.
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This is how I feel. Your question, basically insinuates that no one but Christians (those believing in Jesus) will go to Heaven. I feel differently. I believe anyone who lives their life, being led by love and compassion..is already living their life as Jesus requested. Anyone can "say" they believe in Jesus, few live their lives according to his teachings.

JMO

I don't like quoting scripture....but,

Romans2:12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
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No, because then you say you get to heaven by being kind and compassionite enough. That's why Jesus came...so that no one could boast or brag. Only by belief in Him do we enter in. We have a sinful nature and will never be good enough. That's why Jesus provided THE way. The only way. We then follow the law out of love and will be rewarded for those things, but that is not what "gets us" into heaven.
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Ah!! the low rent hebrewwannabes now pipe in with THEIR own brand of self entitlement to dominion over all others.
When does this bollox duoubletalk cease?
How about a religion where everyone minds their OWN BLEEDING BUSINESS and leaves others to their own?
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How ignorant of you.
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Ignorant of me to notice that almost every religion ESPECIALLY islum and the chosen, as well as the state religions of asia is nothing more than a self entitlement to prey on their neighbours?
Now who's ignorant? I suspect YOU think that god is naught more than a mafia don that's taken a shine to your family and gives license to steal form your neighbours.
Lucky you, but not anything close to resembling anything holy
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I say ignorant because you don't know anything about the religions being discussed. Perhaps you should mind your "OWN BLEEDING BUSINESS".
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I've spent far more time comparing religions and their dogmas that you, fo shizzel.
Almost all are strictly only licenses to steal from others, with some BULLSHIT COVENANT or BOLLOX VISON or REVELATION with no FUKKKIN WITNESSES so buggar yourself, obviously youre simply a self entitlement troll
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Then they get into heaven the same way Buddhist's, Muslims, Hindu's and atheist's get into it.
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Muslims believe in Jesus the same way Christians do, except that he is God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1249552


Not so, the life of jesus and thelife of mudhummud pus abe upon him could not be more different.
muddy was a criminal and a hater of all that restrained him. Jesus, just the opposite. muddy leaves a trail of blood and slavery in his wake, not jesus.
Cant have equal love for one that doewsnt represent their goals, just not possible to accept what isnt what they do, except for deception of the daft
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an asshole that goes to heaven is still an asshole
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For those who are actually paying attention. Jews are the most anti-christian people on the face of the earth. Now the ignorant Christian will start to feel faint at these words but the truth will stand.

Just look at the names of who is attacking Christianity.

Just look at Hollywood that is run by the jews and their take on Jesus and Christianity.

Just look at the names of the people who are constantly attacking our Christian holidays.

Sorry folks but you can ignore the truth but you cannot ignore the consequences of the truth.

Jesus is the savior, those of do not believe in him will not go to His place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1502628


I used to consider myself an evangelical christian but I've changed my way of thinking concerning some things. This post is right on...what the jews are doing though, (some) is wooing christians because they are "God's chosen people" however--there is a reason why God has to deal with the Jews in the End Times or the Great Tribulation. They rejected him and many are of the Synagog of Satan. As Christians, we are taught to pray for the peace of Jeruselum but I've stopped taking "their side" because of the truth--and that truth is they are behind much of the satanic evil (i.e. Hollywood/Pornography et al) in the world. Jesus himself said no one comes to the Father but through me. Pretty cut and dry. Jesus was not mistaken, he was who he said he is. You only support them if they accept Christ. You don't hate them--that is never acceptable. But you do not support that which is against Jesus Christ. It's true what the above poster said--if you ever listened to their view point of christians and what they really think about the goyim--you would not support them.
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Absolutely, the chosen cynically use evangelicals as a profit centre, even as they revile them in private as fools and subhumans in their liturgies, I mean, if theyre gonna be stupid enough to automatically grant super extra chosen friend status anmd send money and excuses, well then, fkkit lets skin the ghoys and so much the better for us, we'll push them to fight our battles and pay our bills, such a deal!
One thing for sure abour christs doctrine, is was based on PERSONAL responsibility, totally at odds with Chosen group entitlement. THAT'S why there cannot be any functional form (meaning acting in a similar supportive fashion) of "judeocristian" and more than there can be "brightshadow" or any other other intimate association of diametrically oppossed elements.
Judeochristian is a creation of fiction, of hollywood spinmeisters or similar deception.
THere is a historical connection and nothing more. There is the past and the present and they dont run concurrently
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an asshole that goes to heaven is still an asshole
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Actually, that's not true. We don't have the capacity to sin any longer when we make it to heaven. However, an asshole that goes to hell is still an asshole because their soul was never changed.
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Never came to anyone mind that there are maybe more than just one heaven?

I say they go to the jew heaven, while the christian goes to the christian heaven.
 Quoting: Adonai


That would make sense, Since it;s apparrant that there is reincarnation or at least a soul with prior existances, and as there is no need for a soul to reincarnate outside a supernatural sense, there must be a reason for it, as the nature of things is to have a reason and by derivation, a method.
In any respect, the mind of god cannot have the human mind on par with it, or god becomes just another power monger for his friends and a narissistic bully to those the doesnt fancy for whatever reason.
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an asshole that goes to heaven is still an asshole
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Actually, that's not true. We don't have the capacity to sin any longer when we make it to heaven. However, an asshole that goes to hell is still an asshole because their soul was never changed.
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where does that say that in the bible?
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Re: How can Jews get into heaven if they don't believe in Jesus
quote one line from testimonies of JC that denies anyone from going to heaven if they do not follow the exact path of the (any) christian church


...waiting...


ah yes of course.

there isn't any.

"How can Jews get into heaven if they don't believe in Jesus"

believing in jesus is not a requirement. IMO, you just need to believe in his 'way', or simpler, follow the golden rule as much as you can, and even if you don't... everyone can redeem themselves anyway

ps, anyone who claims that you are excluded from the happy afterlife is fucking delusional and lost in lies
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This ^^^
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So I take it there a millions of Native Americans, Aussie aboriginals, celts, Mauri's etc who never made it to heaven before the advent of Christianity or the Bible?

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So I take it there a millions of Native Americans, Aussie aboriginals, celts, Mauri's etc who never made it to heaven before the advent of Christianity or the Bible?
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Repectfully MuckRaker - that is the wrong argument! The issue is now that *you* are aware of The Gospel of Jesus Christ...what will you do with Him?
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Muslims believe in Jesus the same way Christians do, except that he is God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1249552


Jesus was VERY clear that He is God: John 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I AM!
 Quoting: jdb


ROFL, since when being before a man means being God?


BTW, Jesus was speaking about Melchizedek.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


No need to demean me by laughing at me - I do not disrespect you by laughing at you - whether you receive it or not, agree or not, the fact is I am pursuing a conversation with you because I believe you are in eternal danger! Again, I am not assuming you will agree with me, but I am compelled nonetheless to try and do my best based upon The Foundation of His Word!

I believe fully that Malchizedek was a pre-incarnate appearance of Yahushua/Jesus, nevertheless, John 1:1-5 is (again) very clear....Joh 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were created through Him, and without Him not even one thing was created that has come into being.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it." The word "overtake" is also "comprehend" "find" "obtain" "perceive" "take"
 Quoting: jdb


I laughed so hard because this your argument is too often misused against Jesus asserting He is God Lord. Jews either misunderstood Him out of ignorance or out of wickednes. I hope you are not going to follow them.

Anyway,

Jesus is "the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us".

But the Word of God is the Spirit of God in general.

As for me, this is my covenant with them, says the LORD. My Spirit, who is on you (J.C.), and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children, or from the mouths of their descendants from this time on and forever,"" says the LORD. Isaiah 59:21

The words I (Jesus) have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. John 6:63

Consider please the difference between "the Word of God" and "the Word of God became flesh". The second is Jesus Christ.

By far not all the Words of God has become flesh yet, as a matter of fact. But the prophecies are coming to their fruition for sure, all of them in due time and place.
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Jesus was VERY clear that He is God: John 8:58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I AM!
 Quoting: jdb


ROFL, since when being before a man means being God?


BTW, Jesus was speaking about Melchizedek.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


No need to demean me by laughing at me - I do not disrespect you by laughing at you - whether you receive it or not, agree or not, the fact is I am pursuing a conversation with you because I believe you are in eternal danger! Again, I am not assuming you will agree with me, but I am compelled nonetheless to try and do my best based upon The Foundation of His Word!

I believe fully that Malchizedek was a pre-incarnate appearance of Yahushua/Jesus, nevertheless, John 1:1-5 is (again) very clear....Joh 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were created through Him, and without Him not even one thing was created that has come into being.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it." The word "overtake" is also "comprehend" "find" "obtain" "perceive" "take"
 Quoting: jdb


I laughed so hard because this your argument is too often misused against Jesus asserting He is God Lord. Jews either misunderstood Him out of ignorance or out of wickednes. I hope you are not going to follow them.

Anyway,

Jesus is "the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us".

But the Word of God is the Spirit of God in general.

As for me, this is my covenant with them, says the LORD. My Spirit, who is on you (J.C.), and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children, or from the mouths of their descendants from this time on and forever,"" says the LORD. Isaiah 59:21

The words I (Jesus) have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. John 6:63

Consider please the difference between "the Word of God" and "the Word of God became flesh". The second is Jesus Christ.

By far not all the Words of God has become flesh yet, as a matter of fact. But the prophecies are coming to their fruition for sure, all of them in due time and place.
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Got it...Thank you!

The distance between us now is the issue of The Trinity! Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You (respectfully) don't believe in The Trinity. The meaning of the word "Spirit" as written in Isa is "Ruach" (Roo'-akh)which includes and entails a rational being! For my part I am fully convinced in the Trinity Godhead! Until and if ever, you and I agree on this issue, we are at an impasse!
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!
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ROFL, since when being before a man means being God?


BTW, Jesus was speaking about Melchizedek.
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No need to demean me by laughing at me - I do not disrespect you by laughing at you - whether you receive it or not, agree or not, the fact is I am pursuing a conversation with you because I believe you are in eternal danger! Again, I am not assuming you will agree with me, but I am compelled nonetheless to try and do my best based upon The Foundation of His Word!

I believe fully that Malchizedek was a pre-incarnate appearance of Yahushua/Jesus, nevertheless, John 1:1-5 is (again) very clear....Joh 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were created through Him, and without Him not even one thing was created that has come into being.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it." The word "overtake" is also "comprehend" "find" "obtain" "perceive" "take"
 Quoting: jdb


I laughed so hard because this your argument is too often misused against Jesus asserting He is God Lord. Jews either misunderstood Him out of ignorance or out of wickednes. I hope you are not going to follow them.

Anyway,

Jesus is "the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us".

But the Word of God is the Spirit of God in general.

As for me, this is my covenant with them, says the LORD. My Spirit, who is on you (J.C.), and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children, or from the mouths of their descendants from this time on and forever,"" says the LORD. Isaiah 59:21

The words I (Jesus) have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. John 6:63

Consider please the difference between "the Word of God" and "the Word of God became flesh". The second is Jesus Christ.

By far not all the Words of God has become flesh yet, as a matter of fact. But the prophecies are coming to their fruition for sure, all of them in due time and place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Got it...Thank you!

The distance between us now is the issue of The Trinity! Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You (respectfully) don't believe in The Trinity. The meaning of the word "Spirit" as written in Isa is "Ruach" (Roo'-akh)which includes and entails a rational being! For my part I am fully convinced in the Trinity Godhead! Until and if ever, you and I agree on this issue, we are at an impasse!
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You do realise your being in breach of the First comandment already? Not good at all.


17Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who

obey God’s commandments and

hold to the testimony of Jesus.



Revelation 12
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Re: How can Jews get into heaven if they don't believe in Jesus
So I take it there a millions of Native Americans, Aussie aboriginals, celts, Mauri's etc who never made it to heaven before the advent of Christianity or the Bible?
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Repectfully MuckRaker - that is the wrong argument! The issue is now that *you* are aware of The Gospel of Jesus Christ...what will you do with Him?
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Well for arguments sake let us just imagine for a moment that there were no Gospels, would there still be a heaven?
For instance where do animals go?
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No need to demean me by laughing at me - I do not disrespect you by laughing at you - whether you receive it or not, agree or not, the fact is I am pursuing a conversation with you because I believe you are in eternal danger! Again, I am not assuming you will agree with me, but I am compelled nonetheless to try and do my best based upon The Foundation of His Word!

I believe fully that Malchizedek was a pre-incarnate appearance of Yahushua/Jesus, nevertheless, John 1:1-5 is (again) very clear....Joh 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were created through Him, and without Him not even one thing was created that has come into being.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it." The word "overtake" is also "comprehend" "find" "obtain" "perceive" "take"
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I laughed so hard because this your argument is too often misused against Jesus asserting He is God Lord. Jews either misunderstood Him out of ignorance or out of wickednes. I hope you are not going to follow them.

Anyway,

Jesus is "the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us".

But the Word of God is the Spirit of God in general.

As for me, this is my covenant with them, says the LORD. My Spirit, who is on you (J.C.), and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children, or from the mouths of their descendants from this time on and forever,"" says the LORD. Isaiah 59:21

The words I (Jesus) have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. John 6:63

Consider please the difference between "the Word of God" and "the Word of God became flesh". The second is Jesus Christ.

By far not all the Words of God has become flesh yet, as a matter of fact. But the prophecies are coming to their fruition for sure, all of them in due time and place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


Got it...Thank you!

The distance between us now is the issue of The Trinity! Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You (respectfully) don't believe in The Trinity. The meaning of the word "Spirit" as written in Isa is "Ruach" (Roo'-akh)which includes and entails a rational being! For my part I am fully convinced in the Trinity Godhead! Until and if ever, you and I agree on this issue, we are at an impasse!
 Quoting: jdb




You do realise your being in breach of the First comandment already? Not good at all.


17Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who

obey God’s commandments and

hold to the testimony of Jesus.



Revelation 12
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1090326


I am grateful for and appreciate your intellect!

I am called to be a fisher of men...to present The Gospel of Jesus Christ! I have never gone fishing with a baseball bat! I (by His Grace and Power) will hold onto His Testimony even unto death of mine and myself...and I am convinced that that time is just about upon us...save the hope and prayer that my family and I are counted worthy to escape all these things via in a pre-trib rapture. But either way - rapture or death, we will not let go of His testimony! BTW, (and I absolutely DO NOT speak with any spite or anger whatsoever) I believe with all of my heart that the sword of Islam will be a deep and broad sweeping tool that He uses in the same way that it was recorded in The Old Testament or Hebrew Scriptures...nevertheless, all to His Glory and good pleasure! For me to live is Christ and die is gain! However, (and again, I absolutely DO NOT speak with arrogance, spite or anger)I think there's one difference that cannot be denied...you will never find a *True* follower of Jesus Christ killing another because they don't believe in Jesus The Messiah! If my neck is under the sword (or guillotine)...let my last words be, "Jesus Loves you...choose Him!" Should this not be a point of possible paradigm changing reflection? If I love you because I am commanded by Him to love you, even at the point of death, should not your heart be pricked to consideration?
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!

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