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so·cial·ism (noun)

1. A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole

What is so wrong with wanting a world of equality and sharing where everyone has a chance to participate instead of a select few? Yes, socialism has been infiltrated and corrupted but that only means it has not been done right. It does not mean that it cannot work if organized together by the global community as a whole.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Money is the ROOT of all evil.
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feminism taught me this. think of all the myriad types of women and all of their differing backgrounds, religions, lifestyles, and idealogies. at some point, if you want equal pay for equal work or some other basic right, you have to put all that to the side for the cause that you can agree on.

as a targeted individual, i am now in a similar boat. TIs come from all walks and ways of life. We are united to stop our torture. We are not all friends, but we are learning to be professional, work together, and get the job done. And some of us, have become very good friends, even targets from wildly diverging backgrounds.

we are our only support. we are marginalized by everyone, but ourselves.

same deal with gays. this is why gays have gained so many rights in the last decades. different as peoples, united as gays.

common ground makes a movement.
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so·cial·ism (noun)

1. A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole

What is so wrong with wanting a world of equality and sharing where everyone has a chance to participate instead of a select few? Yes, socialism has been infiltrated and corrupted but that only means it has not been done right. It does not mean that it cannot work if organized together by the global community as a whole.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Money is the ROOT of all evil.
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


it is not wrong if all members of the community want that

but, i would not want it. because no one owns my production, my distribution of my production, or my exchange of production. not the state, not the community, not my husband, and not the corporation. i would like to free up my labor so that, I myself, can own it. if i owned it (instead of being raped economically), i would probably have some left over that i could share within the community compassionately.

but, maybe there is something else we could agree on? peace.
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feminism taught me this. think of all the myriad types of women and all of their differing backgrounds, religions, lifestyles, and idealogies. at some point, if you want equal pay for equal work or some other basic right, you have to put all that to the side for the cause that you can agree on.

as a targeted individual, i am now in a similar boat. TIs come from all walks and ways of life. We are united to stop our torture. We are not all friends, but we are learning to be professional, work together, and get the job done. And some of us, have become very good friends, even targets from wildly diverging backgrounds.

we are our only support. we are marginalized by everyone, but ourselves.

same deal with gays. this is why gays have gained so many rights in the last decades. different as peoples, united as gays.

common ground makes a movement.
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Yep! Rather than being so focused on the differences between different social structures within our society why not instead concentrate on the similarities. If we could stop for just a moment and do this I think we would realize that there is much more in common than anyone wants to admit.

I think it would be fair to say that regardless of your political/social/religious beliefs (with FEW exceptions) we all want a world where humanity as a whole, works together to make the world a better place to live. We don't have to kill each other off in order for this to occur. We are only tricked into believing that this is the only way.
To visit my blog just search:
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"What we do in life ripples in eternity." ~ Marcus Aureliu
If you seek truth you will not seek victory by dishonorable means, and if you find truth you will become invincible. -Epictetus
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so·cial·ism (noun)

1. A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole

What is so wrong with wanting a world of equality and sharing where everyone has a chance to participate instead of a select few? Yes, socialism has been infiltrated and corrupted but that only means it has not been done right. It does not mean that it cannot work if organized together by the global community as a whole.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Money is the ROOT of all evil.
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


it is not wrong if all members of the community want that

but, i would not want it. because no one owns my production, my distribution of my production, or my exchange of production. not the state, not the community, not my husband, and not the corporation. i would like to free up my labor so that, I myself, can own it. if i owned it (instead of being raped economically), i would probably have some left over that i could share within the community compassionately.

but, maybe there is something else we could agree on? peace.
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It is for this reason that I do not advocate what would be considered "far left" socialism but more of a libertarian version of it. Trust me, we have much more in common than you might realize. Ever hear of Noam Chomsky? He is one of my greatest heroes and a noted libertarian socialist. The big issue is that there is a huge misconception about socialism which groups it with fascist tendencies and the Nazi's in a totally backwards view of what it was originally meant to be. Wanna know who the most famous socialist in all of history was? Some already know this but very few recognize that Jesus Christ was considered to be a socialist. If you look at his teachings and some of the things he did you might even call him an anarchist. Why do you think both the Romans and the Hebrews were so dead set to crucify him?

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Libertarian socialism (sometimes called social anarchism,[1][2] and sometimes left libertarianism)[3][4] is a group of political philosophies that promote a non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic, stateless society without private property in the means of production. Libertarian socialism is opposed to all coercive forms of social organization, and promotes free association in place of government and opposes what it sees as the coercive social relations of capitalism, such as wage labor[5]. The term libertarian socialism is used by some socialists to differentiate their philosophy from state socialism[6][7] or by some as a synonym for left anarchism.[1][2][8]
Adherents of libertarian socialism assert that a society based on freedom and equality can be achieved through abolishing authoritarian institutions that control certain means of production and subordinate the majority to an owning class or political and economic elite.[9] Libertarian socialism also constitutes a tendency of thought that promotes the identification, criticism and practical dismantling of illegitimate authority in all aspects of life.
Accordingly, libertarian socialists believe that "the exercise of power in any institutionalized form—whether economic, political, religious, or sexual—brutalizes both the wielder of power and the one over whom it is exercised".[10] Libertarian socialists generally place their hopes in decentralized means of direct democracy such as libertarian municipalism, citizens' assemblies, trade unions and workers' councils.[11]
Political philosophies commonly described as libertarian socialist include most varieties of anarchism (especially anarchist communism, anarchist collectivism, anarcho-syndicalism,[12] mutualism[13]) as well as autonomism, communalism, participism, some versions of "utopian socialism" and individualist anarchism, and also libertarian Marxist philosophies such as council communism and Luxemburgism.[14]

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feminism taught me this. think of all the myriad types of women and all of their differing backgrounds, religions, lifestyles, and idealogies. at some point, if you want equal pay for equal work or some other basic right, you have to put all that to the side for the cause that you can agree on.

as a targeted individual, i am now in a similar boat. TIs come from all walks and ways of life. We are united to stop our torture. We are not all friends, but we are learning to be professional, work together, and get the job done. And some of us, have become very good friends, even targets from wildly diverging backgrounds.

we are our only support. we are marginalized by everyone, but ourselves.

same deal with gays. this is why gays have gained so many rights in the last decades. different as peoples, united as gays.

common ground makes a movement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1506780


Yep! Rather than being so focused on the differences between different social structures within our society why not instead concentrate on the similarities. If we could stop for just a moment and do this I think we would realize that there is much more in common than anyone wants to admit.

I think it would be fair to say that regardless of your political/social/religious beliefs (with FEW exceptions) we all want a world where humanity as a whole, works together to make the world a better place to live. We don't have to kill each other off in order for this to occur. We are only tricked into believing that this is the only way.
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I would agree with to a point. You and I do, but some don't. Some like a dog eat dog world. They prefer conflict. They enjoy hurting others. I think it is backwards, mean, selfish, and counter-productive. But, what I do agree with you on is that you and I don't have to kill each other to make a better world. We just have to dialogue like this, come to a consensus on what we both can work on together to change in the world that would make it a better place, and then just work.

This is why I think women (regular women) not rich ones focused on status -- would make good statesmen. They have learned to function in a very negative environment, support each other, and still get the work done. They have learned to talk WITH each other not AT someone. They have had to learn how to control volatile situations (domestic violence) with their brains and mouths because the brawn was lacking. They have had to teach (their children) and learned how to hold households together in captive situations of incest, war, domestic violence, displacement, etc.

I could see the leader of the U.S. calling up the leader of Iran. The two gals would do lunch, talk over the issue, iron out the solution, and then go shopping. If the leader of Iran just totally pissed off the leader of the U.S. or visa versa, then the offended party would just fly right over there and claw her eyes out, have one hell of a cat fight, and then the two would never talk to each other or mess with each other again. If say one could not get into Iran to claw the other one's eyes out, then she would plot and plot and scheme until she figured out a way to get that bitch. Just the bitch, not the nation's peoples.

Women would not want an army for anything except to defend against invasion. Women can be totally reasonable until you do something unforgivable and then they are going to go all mama bear on you and personally take it into their own hands to fucking kill you. Having an army do it would take away the personal satisfaction.

Hence, a lot less war. Maybe, a few bitches would kill each other now and then, but it is much better than having a war!
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feminism taught me this. think of all the myriad types of women and all of their differing backgrounds, religions, lifestyles, and idealogies. at some point, if you want equal pay for equal work or some other basic right, you have to put all that to the side for the cause that you can agree on.

as a targeted individual, i am now in a similar boat. TIs come from all walks and ways of life. We are united to stop our torture. We are not all friends, but we are learning to be professional, work together, and get the job done. And some of us, have become very good friends, even targets from wildly diverging backgrounds.

we are our only support. we are marginalized by everyone, but ourselves.

same deal with gays. this is why gays have gained so many rights in the last decades. different as peoples, united as gays.

common ground makes a movement.
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Yep! Rather than being so focused on the differences between different social structures within our society why not instead concentrate on the similarities. If we could stop for just a moment and do this I think we would realize that there is much more in common than anyone wants to admit.

I think it would be fair to say that regardless of your political/social/religious beliefs (with FEW exceptions) we all want a world where humanity as a whole, works together to make the world a better place to live. We don't have to kill each other off in order for this to occur. We are only tricked into believing that this is the only way.
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lets say you create your world socialist utopia.
what do you do with those that choose not to join your collectivist utopia?
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the Iluminati agenda is "the alien agenda".....no question abt it!

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Anyone ever hear that the Illuminati are really the good guys fighting the bad guys on planet Earth
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feminism taught me this. think of all the myriad types of women and all of their differing backgrounds, religions, lifestyles, and idealogies. at some point, if you want equal pay for equal work or some other basic right, you have to put all that to the side for the cause that you can agree on.

as a targeted individual, i am now in a similar boat. TIs come from all walks and ways of life. We are united to stop our torture. We are not all friends, but we are learning to be professional, work together, and get the job done. And some of us, have become very good friends, even targets from wildly diverging backgrounds.

we are our only support. we are marginalized by everyone, but ourselves.

same deal with gays. this is why gays have gained so many rights in the last decades. different as peoples, united as gays.

common ground makes a movement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1506780


Yep! Rather than being so focused on the differences between different social structures within our society why not instead concentrate on the similarities. If we could stop for just a moment and do this I think we would realize that there is much more in common than anyone wants to admit.

I think it would be fair to say that regardless of your political/social/religious beliefs (with FEW exceptions) we all want a world where humanity as a whole, works together to make the world a better place to live. We don't have to kill each other off in order for this to occur. We are only tricked into believing that this is the only way.
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


lets say you create your world socialist utopia.
what do you do with those that choose not to join your collectivist utopia?
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Easy. Since they represent such a small minority, put them all on a small island and let them kill each other since they all seem to enjoy death and suffering so much. Let them have a taste of their own medicine.
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so·cial·ism (noun)

1. A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole

What is so wrong with wanting a world of equality and sharing where everyone has a chance to participate instead of a select few? Yes, socialism has been infiltrated and corrupted but that only means it has not been done right. It does not mean that it cannot work if organized together by the global community as a whole.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Money is the ROOT of all evil.
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


it is not wrong if all members of the community want that

but, i would not want it. because no one owns my production, my distribution of my production, or my exchange of production. not the state, not the community, not my husband, and not the corporation. i would like to free up my labor so that, I myself, can own it. if i owned it (instead of being raped economically), i would probably have some left over that i could share within the community compassionately.

but, maybe there is something else we could agree on? peace.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1506780


It is for this reason that I do not advocate what would be considered "far left" socialism but more of a libertarian version of it. Trust me, we have much more in common than you might realize. Ever hear of Noam Chomsky? He is one of my greatest heroes and a noted libertarian socialist. The big issue is that there is a huge misconception about socialism which groups it with fascist tendencies and the Nazi's in a totally backwards view of what it was originally meant to be. Wanna know who the most famous socialist in all of history was? Some already know this but very few recognize that Jesus Christ was considered to be a socialist. If you look at his teachings and some of the things he did you might even call him an anarchist. Why do you think both the Romans and the Hebrews were so dead set to crucify him?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Libertarian socialism (sometimes called social anarchism,[1][2] and sometimes left libertarianism)[3][4] is a group of political philosophies that promote a non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic, stateless society without private property in the means of production. Libertarian socialism is opposed to all coercive forms of social organization, and promotes free association in place of government and opposes what it sees as the coercive social relations of capitalism, such as wage labor[5]. The term libertarian socialism is used by some socialists to differentiate their philosophy from state socialism[6][7] or by some as a synonym for left anarchism.[1][2][8]
Adherents of libertarian socialism assert that a society based on freedom and equality can be achieved through abolishing authoritarian institutions that control certain means of production and subordinate the majority to an owning class or political and economic elite.[9] Libertarian socialism also constitutes a tendency of thought that promotes the identification, criticism and practical dismantling of illegitimate authority in all aspects of life.
Accordingly, libertarian socialists believe that "the exercise of power in any institutionalized form—whether economic, political, religious, or sexual—brutalizes both the wielder of power and the one over whom it is exercised".[10] Libertarian socialists generally place their hopes in decentralized means of direct democracy such as libertarian municipalism, citizens' assemblies, trade unions and workers' councils.[11]
Political philosophies commonly described as libertarian socialist include most varieties of anarchism (especially anarchist communism, anarchist collectivism, anarcho-syndicalism,[12] mutualism[13]) as well as autonomism, communalism, participism, some versions of "utopian socialism" and individualist anarchism, and also libertarian Marxist philosophies such as council communism and Luxemburgism.[14]
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everything you said, i am familar with; i used to be a socialist. i have learned that municipalities, councils, communities, and unions can turn despotic also.

Salem. The Puritans.
How about the Scarlet Letter?
We will not agree on this. Sorry. No point trying to convince me. I have seen whole towns turn on one family or one person. I won't give up my power to a council or any group. I prefer to take all my powers back.

So, maybe change the subject? Or I can just go to another thread, cause I just don't see libertarian socialism as the solution for defeating the Illuminati, but it was very nice talking with you. You are a very bright person. peace.
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Anyone ever hear that the Illuminati are really the good guys fighting the bad guys on planet Earth
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i have heard that, but maybe it is just the illuminati spreading confusion. i really don't know. not sure if there really IS an illuminati, but there might be!
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feminism taught me this. think of all the myriad types of women and all of their differing backgrounds, religions, lifestyles, and idealogies. at some point, if you want equal pay for equal work or some other basic right, you have to put all that to the side for the cause that you can agree on.

as a targeted individual, i am now in a similar boat. TIs come from all walks and ways of life. We are united to stop our torture. We are not all friends, but we are learning to be professional, work together, and get the job done. And some of us, have become very good friends, even targets from wildly diverging backgrounds.

we are our only support. we are marginalized by everyone, but ourselves.

same deal with gays. this is why gays have gained so many rights in the last decades. different as peoples, united as gays.

common ground makes a movement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1506780


Yep! Rather than being so focused on the differences between different social structures within our society why not instead concentrate on the similarities. If we could stop for just a moment and do this I think we would realize that there is much more in common than anyone wants to admit.

I think it would be fair to say that regardless of your political/social/religious beliefs (with FEW exceptions) we all want a world where humanity as a whole, works together to make the world a better place to live. We don't have to kill each other off in order for this to occur. We are only tricked into believing that this is the only way.
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


lets say you create your world socialist utopia.
what do you do with those that choose not to join your collectivist utopia?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 782078


Easy. Since they represent such a small minority, put them all on a small island and let them kill each other since they all seem to enjoy death and suffering so much. Let them have a taste of their own medicine.
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so, i guess i would be exiled to that island with all the mean people. what drag. guess i'd have to build a raft and escape from that island and sail the high seas, fishing all day, and visiting beautiful women on other islands.

hmmmmm. that sounds like a lot more fun than working for the collective.
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feminism taught me this. think of all the myriad types of women and all of their differing backgrounds, religions, lifestyles, and idealogies. at some point, if you want equal pay for equal work or some other basic right, you have to put all that to the side for the cause that you can agree on.

as a targeted individual, i am now in a similar boat. TIs come from all walks and ways of life. We are united to stop our torture. We are not all friends, but we are learning to be professional, work together, and get the job done. And some of us, have become very good friends, even targets from wildly diverging backgrounds.

we are our only support. we are marginalized by everyone, but ourselves.

same deal with gays. this is why gays have gained so many rights in the last decades. different as peoples, united as gays.

common ground makes a movement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1506780


Yep! Rather than being so focused on the differences between different social structures within our society why not instead concentrate on the similarities. If we could stop for just a moment and do this I think we would realize that there is much more in common than anyone wants to admit.

I think it would be fair to say that regardless of your political/social/religious beliefs (with FEW exceptions) we all want a world where humanity as a whole, works together to make the world a better place to live. We don't have to kill each other off in order for this to occur. We are only tricked into believing that this is the only way.
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lets say you create your world socialist utopia.
what do you do with those that choose not to join your collectivist utopia?
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Easy. Since they represent such a small minority, put them all on a small island and let them kill each other since they all seem to enjoy death and suffering so much. Let them have a taste of their own medicine.
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


and there is the problem with socialism.. there's always a Gulag for the independant types
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truthfully, what i would like to see someday on earth is a variety of ways of living.

you could have your little village where people sell their cheese, crafts, or whatever they grew or made and share their extras with the old widows and orphans

or they could sell their skills. maybe travel around and sell their skills.

there could be big, communal farms where you could go live for awhile and work and share what you produce communally

there could be private 40 acres and a mule dwellings

there could be wide open spaces where you could live like a hunter/gatherer so long as you left no sign of your passing

there could be city-states with libraries, commerce (yes with some form of gold or whampum), trade, guild houses, shops, maybe even a senate (but only for that city-state)

there could socialist towns

there could be co-ops and communes

there could be tribes

there could be all the ways, but without the armies and violence and pollution

if you don't like it here then just go over there eventually you would find an economic situation that you liked and thrived in

if you hate it all you can sail the high seas or live in the woods in a teepee and follow the buffalo herds

maybe we can get this someday. once Mother Nature and our own stupidity kills most of us.
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All classic arguments about why "state socialism" is so wrong.

I am entirely open to hearing arguments against libertarian socialism which is what I am advocating. It is a middle-of-the road approach to politics rather than the normal far-left Marxism & far-right Fascism.

Contrary to popular belief that Obama embraces Communist ideologies, if you look at people like Zbigniew Brzezinski and his band of "Technetronic Fascists" it is where Obama is leading us.
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truthfully, what i would like to see someday on earth is a variety of ways of living.

you could have your little village where people sell their cheese, crafts, or whatever they grew or made and share their extras with the old widows and orphans

or they could sell their skills. maybe travel around and sell their skills.

there could be big, communal farms where you could go live for awhile and work and share what you produce communally

there could be private 40 acres and a mule dwellings

there could be wide open spaces where you could live like a hunter/gatherer so long as you left no sign of your passing

there could be city-states with libraries, commerce (yes with some form of gold or whampum), trade, guild houses, shops, maybe even a senate (but only for that city-state)

there could socialist towns

there could be co-ops and communes

there could be tribes

there could be all the ways, but without the armies and violence and pollution

if you don't like it here then just go over there eventually you would find an economic situation that you liked and thrived in

if you hate it all you can sail the high seas or live in the woods in a teepee and follow the buffalo herds

maybe we can get this someday. once Mother Nature and our own stupidity kills most of us.
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this could work.. because you are describing true freedom. not some "ism"
very nice, thanks
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read a book like this once
it seemed that no one could ever agree on the perfect economic structure
they were always having these silly and frustrating political and economic arguments

so they just had something for everyone
but nothing violent

course, they had a lot less people and took care of the planet so it all worked out

you could be a mountain guide
or a sailor
or a priestess or priest
or a healer
or a farmer
or a hunter
or craftsperson
or or or or or or or


options
that is where it is at


choice
i want a choice
i want to choose
i decide

self-empowering if you ask me cause you could learn something valuable from living in all of those situations but you would not be "trapped" into any one else's vision of perfection.
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the Iluminati agenda is "the alien agenda".....no question abt it!

this stuff ( [link to www.orgoneblasters.com] )is the best way to defeat them!



cheers!
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That is correct, i have seen them and i know who many of them are , the NWO alien agenda is up and running in Perth Western Australia, they are in the mental health system, the police departments ,all government departments world wide .

Good luck every one fighting the Alien agenda,gee i dont know how it can be done,when most people do not believe they exist let alone operating in our mainstream.
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the key elements in that book seemed to be

"keep it small, clean, and non-violent."

there were no nations

a city-states here and there but otherwise all the rest of it was rural or small villages or farms or open space

there was hunting and animal husbandry and raising animals for food, but not that much

more milk and eggs and fish
some deermeat
maybe a goat now and then

there weren't any big ranches cause that would entail fences

there weren't any fences

and sometimes a group of people would say

i am bored
i don't like any of the options anymore
let's invent a new one
and someone would come up with even another economic structure or way of living

so it would change a little here and there sometimes but not much

it had basically settled down into the basic structures i have described

birth control was safe AND effective and the place was rich with animal and plant life

i liked that book a lot

oh, and there were cats, kittehs, everywhere, just everywhere, lots of them, but never too many

some how they had stabilized the cat population so that they did not overbreed, but there were lots of them and everybody fed them and loved them

and the cats ran around free and ate the mice

no dogs, though, somehow the dogs died out from something some germ or something :(
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Rulers of Evil
by Tupper Saussy

In 1139 Pope Innocent issued a bull placing the Templars under an exclusive vow of papal obedience - a measure by which Aimeric effectively put all Templar resources at the disposal of the papacy. As their list of properties lengthened with donations from Italy, Austria, Germany, Hungary and the Holy Land, the Templars built hundreds of stone castles. Convinced they were building a new world, the Templars called each other frère maçon (brother mason). Later this was anglicized into Freemason.

Finally, on Friday, October 13, 1307, King Philip of France arrested all but thirteen of the Templars in France, tried them and, upon evidence of their practice of the cabalah, found them guilty of blasphemy and magic. At least fifty knights were burned at the stake.

A subtle provision in the Vox clamantis transferred most of the Templar estates to the Knights of St. John of Jerusalem, who took possesion after King Philip's death. In Germany and Austria, the Templars became "Rosicrucians" and "Teutonic Knights." The Teutonic Knights grew strong in Mainz, birthplace of Guetenberg's press. Six centuries later, as the "Teutonic Order," the Knights would provide the nucleus of Adolf Hitler's political support in Munich and Vienna.

The Edinburgh lodge would become the headquarters of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, which Masonic historians call "American Freemasonry" because all but five of the signers of the Declaration of Independence are said to have practiced its craft. In Spain and Portugal the Templars became the "Illuminati", and the "Knights of Christ." It was under the red pattée cross of the Knights of Christ that Columbus had taken possession of what he called "las Indias" for King Ferdinand V of Spain, the Holy Roman Emperor. (Tupper Saussy, Rulers of Evil, pp.39-40)





Origins of the Conspiracy

[link to www.archive.org]





The Freemasons were founded by the Knights Templar and the Jesuits who wrote the degrees creating Freemasonry, according to Freemason Grand Master and historian Albert Mackey. (Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, four entries: 1.CLERMONT COLLEGE 2.Jesuits 3.PERFECTION RITE 4.SCOTTISH RITE)

[link to encyclopediaoffreemasonry.com]
[link to encyclopediaoffreemasonry.com]
[link to encyclopediaoffreemasonry.com]
[link to encyclopediaoffreemasonry.com]
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the Iluminati agenda is "the alien agenda".....no question abt it!

this stuff ( [link to www.orgoneblasters.com] )is the best way to defeat them!



cheers!
 Quoting: James von Brunne


That is correct, i have seen them and i know who many of them are , the NWO alien agenda is up and running in Perth Western Australia, they are in the mental health system, the police departments ,all government departments world wide .

Good luck every one fighting the Alien agenda,gee i dont know how it can be done,when most people do not believe they exist let alone operating in our mainstream.
 Quoting: kazzlee 1506989


Yes I have not yet breached this topic yet but was just about to. Thanks for opening the door! Satanic ritual abuse is one of the biggest problems in the world today and is how many of the robot automatons from the entertainment industry and politics are molded and controlled. The alien / reptilian / grey agenda is a very difficult topic to discuss but nevertheless must be exposed if we are to get at the root of the problem.

"At the forefront of the rituals were [the royal families of Europe], Prince Philip at the pinnacle. He stands, like most of the contemporary European monarchy, in the Charlemagne, Merovingian, Aenean bloodline. But he is its current head. I am certain that his maternal chromosomes are in the current 'antichrist' Nephilim. Prince Philip ... is the leading biological descendant of the 'Reptilians', as you call them. Immediately below him are the males of my family line [Rothschilds] like a court of ministers in charge of logistics and operations. The current monarchs of The Netherlands, Spain and some of the old Austrian nobility [Habsburgs] are next in occult power and in the conspiracy."


Phillip Eugene de Rothschild says of these prime Reptilian bloodlines:

"Apparently Aeneas [Troy] embodies all the various bloodlines that must trace their lineage back through Charlemagne because in him is embodied the confluence of the lineage of both David (Jewish) and Alexander the Great (Aryan). It is the modern day representatives of these Roman 'Gens', or European monarchs, that make up the ruling 'aristocracy' of the revived Roman Empire. These 'royal' families maintain their pedigree through endogamy [inter-family marriages]. The first prototype of the Antichrist [the purest bloodline] was Nimrod, founder of Babylon. The historical and seminal nexus of this last Roman Empire is Charlemagne and his descendants, people like [Prince] Philip Mountbatten (Rex Julius Alexander Battenberg) who is one of the ruling heads of the Julian Gens."
To visit my blog just search:
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If you seek truth you will not seek victory by dishonorable means, and if you find truth you will become invincible. -Epictetus
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can't remember how they kept the deer out of the gardens, but they had found some way without fences

nice book

people who needed challenges didn't go to war or build great wealth they wrote better symphonies or climbed a higher mountain or developed a new tomato breed or a rose or a more efficient method of building a house

or or or or or or or or
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Rulers of Evil
by Tupper Saussy

In 1139 Pope Innocent issued a bull placing the Templars under an exclusive vow of papal obedience - a measure by which Aimeric effectively put all Templar resources at the disposal of the papacy. As their list of properties lengthened with donations from Italy, Austria, Germany, Hungary and the Holy Land, the Templars built hundreds of stone castles. Convinced they were building a new world, the Templars called each other frère maçon (brother mason). Later this was anglicized into Freemason.

Finally, on Friday, October 13, 1307, King Philip of France arrested all but thirteen of the Templars in France, tried them and, upon evidence of their practice of the cabalah, found them guilty of blasphemy and magic. At least fifty knights were burned at the stake.

A subtle provision in the Vox clamantis transferred most of the Templar estates to the Knights of St. John of Jerusalem, who took possesion after King Philip's death. In Germany and Austria, the Templars became "Rosicrucians" and "Teutonic Knights." The Teutonic Knights grew strong in Mainz, birthplace of Guetenberg's press. Six centuries later, as the "Teutonic Order," the Knights would provide the nucleus of Adolf Hitler's political support in Munich and Vienna.

The Edinburgh lodge would become the headquarters of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, which Masonic historians call "American Freemasonry" because all but five of the signers of the Declaration of Independence are said to have practiced its craft. In Spain and Portugal the Templars became the "Illuminati", and the "Knights of Christ." It was under the red pattée cross of the Knights of Christ that Columbus had taken possession of what he called "las Indias" for King Ferdinand V of Spain, the Holy Roman Emperor. (Tupper Saussy, Rulers of Evil, pp.39-40)





Origins of the Conspiracy

[link to www.archive.org]





The Freemasons were founded by the Knights Templar and the Jesuits who wrote the degrees creating Freemasonry, according to Freemason Grand Master and historian Albert Mackey. (Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, four entries: 1.CLERMONT COLLEGE 2.Jesuits 3.PERFECTION RITE 4.SCOTTISH RITE)

[link to encyclopediaoffreemasonry.com]
[link to encyclopediaoffreemasonry.com]
[link to encyclopediaoffreemasonry.com]
[link to encyclopediaoffreemasonry.com]
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you need to go back farther..

1099 Guillem De Gellone decendant of david
founded and led nights templar
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nice conversation and nice posts

enjoyed it!

strive for "choice."

goodnight
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the Iluminati agenda is "the alien agenda".....no question abt it!

this stuff ( [link to www.orgoneblasters.com] )is the best way to defeat them!



cheers!
 Quoting: James von Brunne


That is correct, i have seen them and i know who many of them are , the NWO alien agenda is up and running in Perth Western Australia, they are in the mental health system, the police departments ,all government departments world wide .

Good luck every one fighting the Alien agenda,gee i dont know how it can be done,when most people do not believe they exist let alone operating in our mainstream.
 Quoting: kazzlee 1506989


Yes I have not yet breached this topic yet but was just about to. Thanks for opening the door! Satanic ritual abuse is one of the biggest problems in the world today and is how many of the robot automatons from the entertainment industry and politics are molded and controlled. The alien / reptilian / grey agenda is a very difficult topic to discuss but nevertheless must be exposed if we are to get at the root of the problem.

"At the forefront of the rituals were [the royal families of Europe], Prince Philip at the pinnacle. He stands, like most of the contemporary European monarchy, in the Charlemagne, Merovingian, Aenean bloodline. But he is its current head. I am certain that his maternal chromosomes are in the current 'antichrist' Nephilim. Prince Philip ... is the leading biological descendant of the 'Reptilians', as you call them. Immediately below him are the males of my family line [Rothschilds] like a court of ministers in charge of logistics and operations. The current monarchs of The Netherlands, Spain and some of the old Austrian nobility [Habsburgs] are next in occult power and in the conspiracy."


Phillip Eugene de Rothschild says of these prime Reptilian bloodlines:

"Apparently Aeneas [Troy] embodies all the various bloodlines that must trace their lineage back through Charlemagne because in him is embodied the confluence of the lineage of both David (Jewish) and Alexander the Great (Aryan). It is the modern day representatives of these Roman 'Gens', or European monarchs, that make up the ruling 'aristocracy' of the revived Roman Empire. These 'royal' families maintain their pedigree through endogamy [inter-family marriages]. The first prototype of the Antichrist [the purest bloodline] was Nimrod, founder of Babylon. The historical and seminal nexus of this last Roman Empire is Charlemagne and his descendants, people like [Prince] Philip Mountbatten (Rex Julius Alexander Battenberg) who is one of the ruling heads of the Julian Gens."
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


I am from the Plantard blood line and have seen and experienced way to much, i know what is going on and really want to help stop them, the trouble is not enough people know the truth and telling people you would be branded a crazy person.
I am persecuted by some , i am thinking ,it is because of my DNA i am o negative blood type and come from one of the blood lines of interest.
I do not think there is any help here in Australia to fight the NWO ,oh believe me the have every thing coverd.
This is my email kazzlee@hotmail.com if you could email me any info it would be apreciated
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nice conversation and nice posts

enjoyed it!

strive for "choice."

goodnight
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1506780


Yes this was the main goal to give us all a choice rather than to be a bunch of sheep and cattle led to a poisoned stream by a bunch of psychopaths. I am glad we can have a civil discussion without the need for hateful insults. I have my own ideas about what direction the future can go in and so do you. To me it's more important that we put our ideas together, expose the truth about what is so wrong in the world and come to a middle ground!
To visit my blog just search:
VILE: Vatican Illuminati Lies Exposed

"What we do in life ripples in eternity." ~ Marcus Aureliu
If you seek truth you will not seek victory by dishonorable means, and if you find truth you will become invincible. -Epictetus
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nice conversation and nice posts

enjoyed it!

strive for "choice."

goodnight
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1506780


Yes this was the main goal to give us all a choice rather than to be a bunch of sheep and cattle led to a poisoned stream by a bunch of psychopaths. I am glad we can have a civil discussion without the need for hateful insults. I have my own ideas about what direction the future can go in and so do you. To me it's more important that we put our ideas together, expose the truth about what is so wrong in the world and come to a middle ground!
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


give it time
when it all starts to fall down good people will come together to find innovative ways to survive

much change will happen
enjoyed talking with you. be well.
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Illuminati Families Exposed: [link to djosiris.blogspot.com]
Although most of these secret societies are not so secret, what goes on inside them is kept secret. Many high level Illuminati members are also members of the most elite organization of them all: The Brotherhood. The Brotherhood keeps its very existence secret. The majority of the world’s billionaires are members of this “secret” secret society.
These organizations were organized hundreds even thousands of years ago for the purpose of networking amongst royal families, religious leaders and heads of industry. Throughout history, wealthy elite families only married members of other wealthy elite families.
These families (generally 17) are still in charge of society today through many fronts. High level government officials, CEO’s of major multi-national conglomerate corporations, heads of colleges, many religious leaders, military generals, titans of industry are all chosen and put in place by the specific design of Illuminati members.
These 17 families include:
1. Astor
2. Bundy
3. Collins
4. DuPont
5. Freeman
6. Kennedy
7. Li (Chinese)
8. Onassis
9. Rockefeller
10. Rothschild
11. Russell
12. Van Duyn
13. Merovingian (European Bloodlines)
14. Reynolds
15. Disney
16. Krupp
17. McDonald
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Here are some more illuminati families and their hierachy

[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

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