after death??? BRAIN OR SOUL?

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There are DMT experiments that are being conducted who's data suggests that consciousness may be coming from outside the body.

Truth is rarely found in absolutes.

"try and be less affirmative" - please explain with examples.

Actually forget about it, you don't bother reading my post anyway before you start spouting off your nonsense. I hope you find out what happens when you die really soon. Idiot.

You were very affirmative when yo said about DMT inducing hallucination. Maybe DMT opens the door to reality, who knows. And yeah thank you, I can't wait myself to see what full death is about.

The key is consciousness existing within time and space. The past, still exists exactly as the imprints produced into the materials of both space and time when "the present" existed. After your death you are there. Religions call it your "Book of Life", but it is the scientific factors of consciousness existence inside of space and time. Nothing mysterious.

Once you die, you time dwell inside this recording you made from conception to death, looking for the Door into evermore Newness. Because regardless what kind of wonderful life you placed into your recording structure, time dwelling through it AND IT CANNOT BE ALTERED IN ANY WAY, at about the 100 quadrillionth time will be hell.

YOU

If you ingest DMT you will hallucinate. Reality is whatever you percieve it to be. Anyone who claims to know what happens after you die is wrong.

Sorry, I shouldn't be so rude. People are just massivly pissing me off today.

You seem affirmative again. There, are fixed it.

that's your problem, so no offence taken.

Heh, it is good you are starting to think and evaluate. Don't jump to conclusions so fast however, but just the same you are doing good to question.

What you are though in the moment is you for the moment. As you age, this part the ego will change and you will not be the same as when you were a kid, or younger person and ultimately as you change you will be someone else, thus you die and become reborn many times in this life.

Say you lived before or many times, at the moment you don't remember all those times, yet the sum of these lives are still part of your soul, just not known at the moment by this small part, you, the evolving ego which will be assimilated, good or bad in the end and if it is a wasted life, it may not carry much importance to the real you. Thus, if you really want to survive, this moment that is you, make it count.

As an example, I recently realized that I had paid a price for my interesting life, I had done my job here for my soul and just perhaps some part of my ego when absorbed will be worth keeping, but then it matters not for I am greater than this which I am. By the way, I have seen the soul on two occasion or it and the extension of myself, the tired and suffering part that paid the price.

If Ken Wilber can stop his brain waves and maintain Consciousness in a state of medically defined "Brain Death" then the Brain is not the true location of Being.

Think of the Brain as a Wireless Modem that connects with the cloud computing of Collective Consciousness emanated from the Source which is an Omnidimensional Consciousness Singularity from Negative Existence(Outside ALL Paradigms of Reality).

Finding the answer to what this means is true Awakening.

SOUL! absolutely no doubt on that for me.

In this thread I am sharing tips on how to develop awareness of consciousness in every day life:-

Thread: Spiritual Preparedness - simple practices and meditations to increase self-awareness

Last Edited by Pharista on 09/23/2011 08:35 AM

Man has a spirit and that's what seperates him from animals.Man and animals are nephesh (souls Hebrew) When the body/brain dies it "sleeps" and the spirit component goes back to God the Creator.

There are 2 ways to prove that there is life beyond our body and the existence of our soul. Breakthrough through meditation, astral projection, near death experience and DMT use. When you experience any of the above you will experience life beyond death. We are true immortal beings and connected to each other in the most beautiful way possible that there are no words to describe it.

According to your argument then a human clone would be lifeless - non-animated. How do explain the animation of a cloned animal?

i was having this exact same discussion with my gf last night about 2 hours before you posted this.

I used to believe the same as you; a complete void of nothing after you die, but when I was run over by a train, I had a different viewpoint. An "out of body" experience convinced me that there's something after death.

Actually, I was quite interested in your thoughts on the subject. I bit heavy to grasp on a single read; but, very interesting to be sure!

That's true. I was speaking from my own experience and when I look at others experiences I understand it is all real, has to be. If you look at scientists and doctors that were trying DMT none if them are labeling their experience hallucinations. Would you say that our reality on earth is a hallucination? An OBE experience is very real, you don't see it remotely, you are there just like you are here, only the conditions, or laws of the plane change. OBEs are not dreams, are not chaotic and fragmented, but the real deal. And OBEs and meditation really helps discovering the truth.

I probably wouldn't even had OBEs if I didn't have a NDE in the first place, but because of the transformational nature of that first experience I began to feel scared the more I was thinking about what happened and later little by little I got myself accustomed to the idea, I began to feel whole again. In my first OBE I couldn't even walk on my feet because I didn't know how to move, something was keeping me back, a lot of times because of this I got scared because I was all over the place, it seemed as a outside force was throwing me around, but then later I saw a clear pattern and I understood that all that force was me.

The clear intentions on actions you take are what moves you outside the body and this law and others es the proof of it being real. For example I am sitting here in front of computer and I feel like I want a cup of coffee and I am thinking about it in all the details, but for now my intention is to remain and finish this message. When I'm finished I then have the intention to go make that coffee and that intention will trigger the action, I will get up and go do it. The exactly same happens in OBEs, I can think of whatever I want, but if intention is not there no action will appear and that is even more frustrating when your mind seem like backfires at you with intentions you already posses. For example if you realize you stand here an you want to get there the you will not be able to move until your intention is one with your movement, in other words if you want to move you just have to realize constantly that you are moving and not backtrack anything in your mind, you have to be with what you're goal is, constantly.

The famous blackness, or blindness in astral is happening exactly because of this, you're realizing that you see blackness because you're blind although you can feel the surroundings with your hands. As soon as you realize you see you will start seeing, it is very simple, yet frustrating. It all depends on your ability to maintain a clear view of what you want, and relax.

Remember the saying the more you eager for something the further it goes away from you? That saying becomes reality in astral. The harder you try with your muscles and aggression, with manipulation to reach something the bigger the force that will keep you down and send you back, and the more relaxed and confident you are the easier and pleasurable is to attain your goals, it's like a great force is pushing you in that direction from the back. It happens all the time so it is steady therefore cannot be hallucinations, it is a universal law and with all this and everything else brings to firm realization that it is real, as real as it can get.

Your brain is the 'hard wear' your soul spirit whatever is the 'soft wear'.

We interact via our hard wear but it is the soft wear that is fundamentally in control.

So I think I will just be me, but with out all of the programming that happens here.

The brain in the tranceiver into/from space and time. Space and time is the "material" as a recording medium, much like we consider a disk as the recording medium for computer intelligence.

I earn my living in the field primarily tasked with proving that this is true, what can be best termed "material psychiatry," which I believe is the most accurate phrase, because the effort is to reduce all of human experience to chemical interactions within the physical structures of the brain.

Materialism makes the assumption that all processes of the universe have a non-dualistic nature, which is precisely accurate, however, it goes on to assume that all of the material universe can be apprehended by the scientific methods derived from the five human senses and their associated rational faculties as concerned strictly with empirical methods delimited by ASSUMPTIONS of human limitation.

It is within the network of assumptions about human limitation, and by extension the limitations on the nature of the universe, that the premises of materialism fail to provide for this radical philosophy a sufficient basis upon which to understand humanity and the universe at large.

Therefore, I can see materialism as nothing more than the latest tool of control so preached by those who snicker at such boundaries placed upon the confines of their own divine nature.

Last Edited by Least Servant on 09/23/2011 09:00 AM

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This is what I believe too.

Want to experience what life will be like after death? Two easy ways to do it.

First, go to sleep. The time you're sleeping, where time passes and you aren't aware of it, you aren't dreaming you aren't perceiving function? That's death, but you don't wake up.

Want to feel it while awake? Get so drunk you pass out. The things you do in that "I don't remember any of that" time are like being dead. You don't consciously "view" the world around you. Your matter might still be in the form of a human figure, but your consciousness does not function.

This is death. We experience it every day. Our brain shuts off the perception to the world while it goes into a mode of repair and regeneration. The only difference between this and death is that we are no longer regenerating. It's really not that difficult to understand....

I concur!

This is your physical mind your souls mind is different in a sense you cant eve comprehend it,this mind is made for this 3-d world your soul is made for enternity so it has to be able to see in all dimensions,so we dont cease to exist we just evolve.

Yes, if the brain died , all info/data is lost, All the organic cells carrying the memories rot away. However, like a computer theres someone that made copies and backup

Have faith that before you did, someone downloaded all your memories and thoughts and made a copy of it.