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Link Between Autism and the Pineal Gland/ DMT (bufotenine)

 
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I have a severely Autistic Daughter. My other daughter, who is not Autistic, told me about a naturally occuring substance in the brain, produced by the Pineal Gland, called DMT or bufotenine, which is excreted while you are dreaming, and right before you die. I had met a famous author who was also a Shaman a couple of years ago, who had a theory that Autistic people were in a constant state of tripping. So, I started putting things together, and developed a theory that maybe Autistic people produce more bufotenine. Then I did more research online, and discovered scientific experaments have been performed, both in the 1960's and the 1990's, that show that Autistic people, and Schizophrenic people excrete very high amounts of bufotenine in their urine, while the control experaments did not. However, nobody seems to care about this link, and haven't really found anybody else who seems to care, or do any further research.


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Hopefully someone can help you out op, but this might be over the heads of most of the GLP'rs here. Keep digging. Check out some of the health blogs. Cure Zone is one. Maybe check out a naturopath.....
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I'm sorry that I had to post as Anonymous. I can't remember my password, and the site keeps banning my IP address every couple of days. My name is Elske McCain. No relation.
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Here is the second link..

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
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Does this have any relationship with the idea that many hfautistics (and, conincedentally, schitzophrenics) are apparently unable to process an enzyme found in foods such as tomatoes, cheese and oranges? The by product of not being able to process this enzyme (can't remeber it's name at the moment) is a chemical that seems to have a psychotropic affect on the brain, making people affected by this issue more aggressive, less responsive, etc, etc.

I found out about it when my son was seeing a kinesiologist for his behaviour (did not know he was autistic until much later). She was not aware of what the information meant that my son's body was telling her, so we looked it up and it was very surprising. A few tweaks to his diet helped him greatly.

Another thing I have noticed in my son's behaviour recently is that he is behaving much more normally. He is coming along in leaps and bounds and I am starting to wonder if it has anything to do with me letting him drink tea since he turned 16. I know tea is quite high in flouride which I know has a calcifying effect on the pineal gland and after seeing your post I am now wondering if you are onto something! To be honest, I am worried that the effect of the flouride on his pineal gland may affect his ability to visualise - something he is extremely good at.

Great find OP - hope someone who can do a proper study on this is paying attention!
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"Hopefully someone can help you out op, but this might be over the heads of most of the GLP'rs here. "

The OP doesn't seem particularly desperate.

Don't worry about being an AC OP. I suppose I'll add a couple things to the discussion, as I've had similar theories, experiences, and revelations.

Personally, I mad a similar discovery, when through sheer reason I deduced that stress(or in particular anger) could trigger or exacerbate "schizophrenia" and other conditions. Cortisol is a stress hormone after all, and it does damage tissue and cells.

As far as the autism goes, yes, I tend to treat autistic people a little bit differently and don't assume they don't know everything that is in my heart. I try to be genuine with these people and connect with them on a deeper level.

The thing with tripping is, how deep are you tripping and how much awareness do you have of consensus reality. If you were indeed tripping, it may be far more interesting to go inward to experience more non linear realities. This is what I find myself doing very often. Funny thing that is very common amung people who have tripped, is they wonder if they've been tripping the whole time, or if everyone else is tripping.

Perhaps this is due to some kind of underlying commonality, remembrance, etc. Maybe they remember what they have forgotten before they learned to focus on the material world so whole heatedly.
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I hope so too! I'm glad you guys see where I am coming from. Being somebody who has experamented with psychedelics in my early years, I can agree that the behavior of my Autistic daughter is very similar to somebody who is "tripping".
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"I know tea is quite high in flouride which I know has a calcifying effect on the pineal gland and after seeing your post I am now wondering if you are onto something! To be honest, I am worried that the effect of the flouride on his pineal gland may affect his ability to visualise - something he is extremely good at."

I'm not sure excessive fluoride is ever a good thing, unless he is tripping to hard or having a hard time controlling his mood, behavior, emotions. T
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Thanks OP. This is very interesting...

Do brain waves determine our mind states? For example, an active schizo is kind of 'dream walking', that mechanism to turn off the body is blocked.

Your DMT connection seems valid. I never thought of it as an autistic person constantly tripping, but that makes some sense.

Here's a question. Does a 'calcified' pineal gland NOT release DMT (or hinder production), or does it not function properly (eg: releasing too much or activating at the wrong times)??
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"Shaman a couple of years ago, who had a theory that Autistic people were in a constant state of tripping. So, I started putting things together, and developed a theory that maybe Autistic people produce more bufotenine. "


Theory is becoming very popular, although I tend to view tripping as more of an "energetic" or vibratory experience than chemical. I'm sure having a chemical catlyst helps though. Like psilocybin lsd dmt etc. etc.

Is your son having any problems, or is his condition more of a blessing?
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"I have a severely Autistic Daughter. "

Whoops, confused you with someone else. The question still stands though, are you trying to help your daughter becoming "less autistic", or is she a blessing the way she is now?
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Oh, she's great. I am just always wondering what caused her Autism, if it was something I did. But hey, if we do find out it is excess DMT, maybe they can counter act it somehow?
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"Here's a question. Does a 'calcified' pineal gland NOT release DMT (or hinder production), or does it not function properly (eg: releasing too much or activating at the wrong times)??"

The consensus seems to be, at least here on glp is that in it's "calcified form " the production is inhibited.
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The shaman is also a published author.
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My daughter can't speak at all, and she is 10.
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Do people with autism or schizophrenia get good sleep? Or is that a really big battle?


"But hey, if we do find out it is excess DMT, maybe they can counter act it somehow"

what about that plant that's used in ayahuasca? Maybe smoking it would do something?

I'm speaking crazy talk, but you might be on to something!
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Anyone who lives with a person on the spectrum knows that when they get an idea in their head it's prectically impossible to stop them! My son likes tea and to be honest, I would rather he drink that than soft drink or alcohol...

My understanding is that flouride builds up in the body over time and is stored in the pineal gland, making it go hard and rock like. When this happens, it reduces your ability to visualise (pretty much anything, I assume). It also hinders your chances of being able to tap into past lives, astral travel or communicate with the cosmos during meditation.

I cannot comment about the tripping thing, but I imagine that if you have an overabundance of DMT in your system, how difficult would it be to function normally if you were effectively experiencing a living dream 24/7?

I also wonder if the reason that this substance (DMT) is released when we die is so that we can 'cross over' into heaven or wherever easier... so could that be why there are so many ghosts in our world who have not passed over - their pineal glands were so calcified from flouride that the necessary chemicals to help them move on cannot be released?

Maybe our autistic kids really are living with one foot on earth and the other in heaven...?

Sorry for the thinking out loud - this topic has really got my brain whirring!
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My daughter has terrible time sleeping. We had considered antipsychotics, but she just takes benadryl. I am switching her to melatonin asap.
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"Oh, she's great. I am just always wondering what caused her Autism, if it was something I did. But hey, if we do find out it is excess DMT, maybe they can counter act it somehow?"

Well, you could, but there would still be the underlying neurocircuitry that might reenforce the mental aberration. I would probably try to facilitate a natural process for her if anything and hopefully without drugs. Since you have tripped before you should be able to figure out some strategies to help you stay grounded in those more common parts of the mind and therefore reality. Some things I like to do are workout, read, play video games, drink tea and coffee(unfortunately), keep my calories a bit high.
I guess if you can gradually get her attention to focus onto other interests, especially ones she is interested in(interest means more dopamine and therefore more changes in brain structure), her brain will literally rework it's circuitry to extent(neuroplasticity).
I am inclined to think that neurocircuitry is often congruent with, or in harmony with brain chemicals. Because of this, a physical change through psychotherapy or conditioning can lead to different brain chemicals being produced. Less trippy mental state = less trippy chemicals.
In fact, some renowned psychotherapist(i forget her name) backs me up by saying that a good psychotherapist is like a brain surgeon.
You can combine these ideas with herbs and probably things that are good for the brain. I remember reading about how fatty aids and fish oil/flax oil could cure schizophrenia. I would be willing to jump out and say that certain natural substances could help your daughter, at least with functionality.
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If indeed a person is metabolising certain organic compounds in food into DMT, than it would be feasible to introduce high levels of antioxidants into the diet (such as vitamin C of around 500mg to 1 gram a day) To target and dissimilate the pestering cause of this affliction. Also, fat targeting antioxidants such as vitamin E and a good dose of omega 3 lipoic acids and a good multi b complex and megafolate will eleviate these symptoms dramatically.

I am no naturalist, but from treating my own disease (bipolar schizoaffective) with this regime i have my life under control with only a low maintenance dose of pharmaceutical medication.
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"Maybe our autistic kids really are living with one foot on earth and the other in heaven...?"

I like this idea.


@ the other post, Unfortunely, the only drugs that seems to stop the DMT/Trippy brain syndrome in my experience are things that might be considered to "contract the consciousness" like antipsychotics, opium, alcohol, antidepressants, tap water, coffee, etc.
Also, high calorie diets, unhealthy living, etc.
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My daughter has terrible time sleeping. We had considered antipsychotics, but she just takes benadryl. I am switching her to melatonin asap.
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Thanks for sharing, I hope my question didn't come off rude or impersonal. I am extremely curious about such things.

Your answer might tell a lot. Maybe your daughter doesn't really hit REM mode, which can obviously compound issues. I hope you can find something.

Something else is causing this, not you...

I just read two articles... one from 2007 saying it's 1 out of 166.

A new article from 2011 says 1 in 100.

Did the stat really change that much over 5 years?
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But the fish oils and antioxidants sound like a great thing(for everyone really). Flax oil is great and it is rather inexpensive(tastes good too).
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I have other theories, on what the possible abundance of recent cases of Autism is caused by, but they are pretty far out there, and would like to stick to the facts for now.
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And no, you weren't rude at all. :)
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"Maybe our autistic kids really are living with one foot on earth and the other in heaven...?"

I like this idea.


@ the other post, Unfortunely, the only drugs that seems to stop the DMT/Trippy brain syndrome in my experience are things that might be considered to "contract the consciousness" like antipsychotics, opium, alcohol, antidepressants, tap water, coffee, etc.
Also, high calorie diets, unhealthy living, etc.
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This seems to be the case, sadly. I hope that a way can be found to help these people become more grounded without the need for all the harmful crap...
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The sleeping issue is common to autistic people, it seems. My son and all of his friends have sleeping issues - the majority of them don't sleep much at night. My son was always a very light sleeper when he was little, now as a near adult teen, he seems to get by on around 5 hours of sleep. Not good for a growing body, I know, but at least now he stays in his room and doesn't run around the house keeping everyone else up!
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I've self medicated a lot and done extensive therapy on myself. Plenty of meditation to calm my nerves and stuff. I tried antipsychotics, but they aren't for me. I feel like half the person on those things and it's as if a governor has been placed on my mind.

Like I said, what works for me is an active lifestyle grounded in reality. It helps me stay balanced mentally and emotionally. I lift weights, drink caffeine, go to school, meditate and relax all the time, etc. Smoke a little bit of tobacco.

To keep changing for the better ever day and feeling like I have just begun to tap into my potential adds great meaning to my life, sweet rewards.
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Autism could well be caused by one of three things....

1) Genetic susceptibility. If it runs in the family, more than likely your kid will inherit it.

2) Vaccinations. As absurd as it sounds, a mercury preservative was used as late as the 1990's to propensiate vaccine shelf life, and is linked to autism/developmental delays in early childhood.

or 3) Your child unfortunately caught a communicable disease/virus whilst young infancy which presented itself as a high fever that affected brain/neurogical development which now is "prescribed" as being autism but in actual fact is a very mild form of brain retardation depending on the severity may or may not be a problem.

There are things you can do. Actions to take. Depending on the severity. I would shy away from the pharmaceutical industry and would much rather refer your child to a naturopath (a qualified one.) There are a range of options all plant based to stimulate cognition and enhanced learning behaviours which, over time will shape brain plascisity to a higher level of functioning.

This combined with special learning schools will greatly enhance your child's ability to greatly achieve their potential.

I must stress, pharmaceuticals only address the symptoms, not the cause, and should only be considered a method of last resort, or possibly a conjunctnant to natropathic therapy.

I know natropathic therapy isnt cheap, i'm lucky because i have an associate who has studied this route very extensively. If you can afford it, please go this method first, as these people have a fuller understanding of how plants and natural therapies benifit us moreso than doctors who are sponsored by pharmaceutical industries.

I wish you the best of luck for you and your child.

All the best,


DJC
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Hey op, please take this with a pinch of salt and don't BELIEVE anything I tell you. Just take what I say as something you could research.

Hopefully you have heard of ayahuasca (it's a very potent psychadellic potion brewed by south american shamans for very powerful and vivid trips).

When brewing this potion you have to use two plants:
1. Yellow huasca (banesteropis caarpi) - which supplies the dmt
2. P viridis - an MAO-inhibitor.

It is the MAO inhibitor that you might find interesting as you'll be looking for something that behaves in the exact opposite manner.
MAO's are enzymes produced by your kidneys which break dmt down very quickly. The idea of using the inhibitor is to make the trip last as long as possible by making sure your body doesnt flush the dmt.

If you could find an MAO stimulant or catalyst so that your childs body can break down the dmt, you may be on to something.

I hope this may help a little. I'm not a doctor or an expert or a chemist. Just read your thread and thought it might help.

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