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Police Officer Tases Seven-year-old Boy During Traffic Stop, Then Beats His Father | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1437365  United States08/23/2011 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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Alex A Madison User ID: 747162 United States08/23/2011 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I heard a talk by an older man, a Vietnam veteran with no legs, who'd lost them in the war. One of the things he said that really stuck with me through the years was this: "If you go out looking for problems, eventually you're going to find them. Even if you have to make them yourself." This seems to be the case here. The officer seems to be the type that forces problems into being. Was the driver perfect? It doesn't sound like it. For one thing, don't get aggressive in tone with an unstable armed man, even if you have a right too. But that doesn't excuse the use of violence against an unarmed non-violent person by the police, ever. Even if a person isn't "compliant" it's morally wrong for the police to use force against them if they do not offer violence. Always. The only time that goes away is when a person is a visible threat to themselves or others. Then an officer may have no choice. It frustrates the police if you don't do what they want, and is sometimes illegal, but that doesn't excuse harming another person. Their go-to move is force these days, instead of discussion. People need to protect themselves with politeness, but let's not forgive the police for their own wrong doing here. If we do, we encourage further such actions. And no sane or rational person should want that. Last Edited by Alex A Madison on 08/23/2011 10:17 AM DON'T BE A DUMB-ASS, READ A BOOK! BOOKS HELP TO SHARPEN THE MIND AND MAKE LEARNING MORE ENJOYABLE. YAY BOOKS! Read mine for free. ABOMINATIONS by Alex Madison. (You can't beat a free gift! It would be nearly thirty dollars in the store...) Read it for free at: [link to orangecatpublishing.com] |
| Jags~Beach User ID: 1328821 United States08/23/2011 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  The end time world leader gets to be in power according to prophecy for only 3 1/2 years. If you believe Obama is the end time world leader prophesied to come, now you know the date. July 4th 2012 Universal Independance day and return of the Messiah: fulfilling the 3 1/2 year prophecy. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 935690 United States08/23/2011 09:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes it's best to shut your piehole and learn some manners when the cops are talking to you. You want respect, you gotta give it first. You wanna be treated like POS dirtbag, fine. Talk to the cop like he is one and he will return the favor. You can't fight the law. You will lose. How badly you lose, depends on you. God bless the men and women who wear police uniforms. They are the last line of defense from the thugs and lowlifes of the world. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 818298 United States08/23/2011 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really don't understand why people don't just co-operate in these situations. Yes, the officer's response was 100% excessive but seriously, would it have been that big a deal to get out of the fucking car? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283316 I think the fathers instinct took over and he did not want to leave his 7 year old alone in the car. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1309251 United States08/23/2011 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1000222 United States08/23/2011 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes it's best to shut your piehole and learn some manners when the cops are talking to you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 935690 You want respect, you gotta give it first. You wanna be treated like POS dirtbag, fine. Talk to the cop like he is one and he will return the favor. You can't fight the law. You will lose. How badly you lose, depends on you. God bless the men and women who wear police uniforms. They are the last line of defense from the thugs and lowlifes of the world. God bless?? [link to www.sun-sentinel.com] [link to www.orlandosentinel.com] [link to articles.philly.com] gestapo pl. ge·sta·pos A police organization that employs terroristic methods to control a populace. you want more? |
| Alex A Madison User ID: 747162 United States08/23/2011 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really don't understand why people don't just co-operate in these situations. Yes, the officer's response was 100% excessive but seriously, would it have been that big a deal to get out of the fucking car? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283316 In other cases it has been deemed reasonable for a person to not comply with the police if they suspect that the person is not actually an officer or means unlawful harm to them. "Get out of the car or I'll torture you with a taser." is probably enough reason to not comply. It's not a reasonable statement for a simple traffic stop. If the officer is violent sounding enough, well they are still an armed man in a situation where they can probably kill you and get away with it. Under the law, in most places, your own fear doesn't have to be reasonable to be considered as a plea of self defense. It's harder to prove with the police, but is still legal if the situation warrants it. Not getting out of the car, suspecting attack is a good enough reason. *You'll still have to prove it in court and in these days probably lose. Being polite really is the better way to go. Last Edited by Alex A Madison on 08/23/2011 09:52 AM DON'T BE A DUMB-ASS, READ A BOOK! BOOKS HELP TO SHARPEN THE MIND AND MAKE LEARNING MORE ENJOYABLE. YAY BOOKS! Read mine for free. ABOMINATIONS by Alex Madison. (You can't beat a free gift! It would be nearly thirty dollars in the store...) Read it for free at: [link to orangecatpublishing.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1346428 United States08/23/2011 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes it's best to shut your piehole and learn some manners when the cops are talking to you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 935690 You want respect, you gotta give it first. You wanna be treated like POS dirtbag, fine. Talk to the cop like he is one and he will return the favor. You can't fight the law. You will lose. How badly you lose, depends on you. God bless the men and women who wear police uniforms. They are the last line of defense from the thugs and lowlifes of the world. spoken like a true lowlife himself |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1437365 United States08/23/2011 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really don't understand why people don't just co-operate in these situations. Yes, the officer's response was 100% excessive but seriously, would it have been that big a deal to get out of the fucking car? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283316 The cop had no reason to request the guy get out of his car, he was just pissed because the father had asked why he shined his flashlight in his son's eyes. Just shows what a piece of shit that cop is, that he would pull his billy badass routine in front of a young child. At least that kid has learned at an early age that the police are nothing but thugs. |
| GeekOfTheWeek User ID: 1383040 United States08/23/2011 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I remember a time when they HAD to have a real reason to stop you, a real reason to detain you. As a kid I had this car, I let the tags expire. But still drove around town, they couldn't stop me, tags were for highway use... So much has changed it's unreal. We now live in a country where you are guilty until proven innocent. I love physics. It bonds us eternally, it's what makes our computers work, it's what's in my morning cup of coffee, it's the thing that keeps the universe from vanishing due to lack of belief... |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1155690 United States08/23/2011 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes it's best to shut your piehole and learn some manners when the cops are talking to you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 935690 You want respect, you gotta give it first. You wanna be treated like POS dirtbag, fine. Talk to the cop like he is one and he will return the favor. You can't fight the law. You will lose. How badly you lose, depends on you. God bless the men and women who wear police uniforms. They are the last line of defense from the thugs and lowlifes of the world. LOL. Yea, because all cops are the same. Man, you.....I can't even explain to you how poorly developed your logic is. HE TASERD A 7 YEAR OLD CHILD. I don't care if he is a cop, that;s not what cops do. He was a thug in a police uniform. If I am a police officer, and I rape a women, I will not be charged as a police officer, but as a rapist. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1155690 United States08/23/2011 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really don't understand why people don't just co-operate in these situations. Yes, the officer's response was 100% excessive but seriously, would it have been that big a deal to get out of the fucking car? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283316 Because we aren't sheep who are told(forced) what to do and we just obey. |
| Magstar User ID: 1458718 United States08/23/2011 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really don't understand why people don't just co-operate in these situations. Yes, the officer's response was 100% excessive but seriously, would it have been that big a deal to get out of the fucking car? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283316 With this thug, the answer is YES. He was just itchin' to pull a trigger on something... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1283316 Canada08/23/2011 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really don't understand why people don't just co-operate in these situations. Yes, the officer's response was 100% excessive but seriously, would it have been that big a deal to get out of the fucking car? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283316 In other cases it has been deemed reasonable for a person to not comply with the police if they suspect that the person is not actually an officer or means unlawful harm to them. "Get out of the car or I'll torture you with a taser." is probably enough reason to not comply. No, that came after the driver failed the "attitude test" by asking why he was being told to get out of the car. Still not right, but it's best to assume you're dealing with a prick and just play along. Usually everyone goes home without tasings, beatings or arrests. I have been stopped by cops while out in a park drinking. I had a couple of beers in my coat, but no open container. Other people I was with got searched, but I was civil with the police and they didn't even try to look in my coat and then just sent me on my way. One guy mouthed off and go all uppity and guess what? He's the one that got the $105 ticket for open liquor. See how it works? |
| Alex A Madison User ID: 747162 United States08/23/2011 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really don't understand why people don't just co-operate in these situations. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283316 This. What's with you americans? Can't you just follow the rules? At this rate, the whole usa is going to become the world's penal colony. Part of the problem is that the police have been changing the way the rules work slowly over a long time. People still try to comply with the actual rules, only to find that the "police procedure" is very different than the law now. The police don't enforce the law in the U.S. but their own policy, which can change from place to place. A lot of people getting caught up in things like this are actually legally correct, which is shown when all charges are dropped by the prosecutors. The man may actually have legal standing to have acted as he did, meaning he was "following the rules" It didn't save him a beating though. DON'T BE A DUMB-ASS, READ A BOOK! BOOKS HELP TO SHARPEN THE MIND AND MAKE LEARNING MORE ENJOYABLE. YAY BOOKS! Read mine for free. ABOMINATIONS by Alex Madison. (You can't beat a free gift! It would be nearly thirty dollars in the store...) Read it for free at: [link to orangecatpublishing.com] |
| Alex A Madison User ID: 747162 United States08/23/2011 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really don't understand why people don't just co-operate in these situations. Yes, the officer's response was 100% excessive but seriously, would it have been that big a deal to get out of the fucking car? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283316 In other cases it has been deemed reasonable for a person to not comply with the police if they suspect that the person is not actually an officer or means unlawful harm to them. "Get out of the car or I'll torture you with a taser." is probably enough reason to not comply. No, that came after the driver failed the "attitude test" by asking why he was being told to get out of the car. Still not right, but it's best to assume you're dealing with a prick and just play along. Usually everyone goes home without tasings, beatings or arrests. I have been stopped by cops while out in a park drinking. I had a couple of beers in my coat, but no open container. Other people I was with got searched, but I was civil with the police and they didn't even try to look in my coat and then just sent me on my way. One guy mouthed off and go all uppity and guess what? He's the one that got the $105 ticket for open liquor. See how it works? Indeed. Did you ready my whole post? I think you'll find that I agreed with that at the end of my statement there. There is a difference though, between people protecting themselves by being polite and managing the police, and the officers having a legal and moral right to harm them for not doing so. There is not legal "attitude test". Oh, it exists, but it isn't a part of law. Your allowed to be rude, stupid and unfriendly to the police and they still have to follow the law... Which doesn't mean they will. Last Edited by Alex A Madison on 08/23/2011 10:06 AM DON'T BE A DUMB-ASS, READ A BOOK! BOOKS HELP TO SHARPEN THE MIND AND MAKE LEARNING MORE ENJOYABLE. YAY BOOKS! Read mine for free. ABOMINATIONS by Alex Madison. (You can't beat a free gift! It would be nearly thirty dollars in the store...) Read it for free at: [link to orangecatpublishing.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1283316 Canada08/23/2011 10:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really don't understand why people don't just co-operate in these situations. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283316 This. What's with you americans? Can't you just follow the rules? At this rate, the whole usa is going to become the world's penal colony. Part of the problem is that the police have been changing the way the rules work slowly over a long time. People still try to comply with the actual rules, only to find that the "police procedure" is very different than the law now. The police don't enforce the law in the U.S. but their own policy, which can change from place to place. A lot of people getting caught up in things like this are actually legally correct, which is shown when all charges are dropped by the prosecutors. The man may actually have legal standing to have acted as he did, meaning he was "following the rules" It didn't save him a beating though. Right, however you will find that the street is not the place to debate the finer points of law with an armed person whose IQ is most likely 20 or more points below yours. Personally, I would rather take a little shit and just smile and nod than get tased, beaten, arrested and charged with made-up offenses. Even if one is 100% in the right, do you want to spend a night in jail, pay for towing of your vehicle, take day(s) off work to appear in court and fork out thousands for a lawyer? Even if you win, you're still out a bunch of time and money. |
| BRIEF Rebel with morals User ID: 381742 United States08/23/2011 10:09 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1516562 United States08/23/2011 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every time now when I hear about a cop being blown away on the side of a road at night I wonder if maybe he wasn't acting like this one. Not that I think that's right -- but when they take a situation and escalate it and make it even more dangerous and get themselves killed, why should we feel sorry for them? All the guy did was ask why the pig shined a light in his son's face, and the pig escalated it from there. This guy would have been within his rights to kill that cop (if things were as they should be). We shouldn't and we don't. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1516563 United States08/23/2011 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes it's best to shut your piehole and learn some manners when the cops are talking to you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 935690 You want respect, you gotta give it first. You wanna be treated like POS dirtbag, fine. Talk to the cop like he is one and he will return the favor. You can't fight the law. You will lose. How badly you lose, depends on you. God bless the men and women who wear police uniforms. They are the last line of defense from the thugs and lowlifes of the world. spoken like a true lowlife himself  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1516564 United States08/23/2011 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes it's best to shut your piehole and learn some manners when the cops are talking to you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 935690 You want respect, you gotta give it first. You wanna be treated like POS dirtbag, fine. Talk to the cop like he is one and he will return the favor. You can't fight the law. You will lose. How badly you lose, depends on you. God bless the men and women who wear police uniforms. They are the last line of defense from the thugs and lowlifes of the world. What part of "public servant" do you not understand? Police like this should not be blessed but punished severely. THEY should wind up in jail for an extremely long time for violating their oath and for sheer animal violence. They are trash -- THEY are the lowlifes and should NEVER be given respect until they earn it. They are not the law -- they are the lawbreakers and deserve nothing. |
| Alex A Madison User ID: 747162 United States08/23/2011 10:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sounds like they deserve each other, both were being a dick... Quoting: BRIEF "and again refused to get out of his car" I'd agreed with that in general, but the civilian didn't seem to actually attack the officer, which makes the harm done wrong. That the officer is already in trouble doesn't make him look good either, in a "where there's smoke" type of way. I really doubt the man is long for the force there. Too many lawsuits will get even the officers union to cut loses eventually. No one legally deserves a beating or torture for being "a dick". We may feel like doing that sometimes, but we have laws to prevent violence, not sanction it by some without good reason. DON'T BE A DUMB-ASS, READ A BOOK! BOOKS HELP TO SHARPEN THE MIND AND MAKE LEARNING MORE ENJOYABLE. YAY BOOKS! Read mine for free. ABOMINATIONS by Alex Madison. (You can't beat a free gift! It would be nearly thirty dollars in the store...) Read it for free at: [link to orangecatpublishing.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1515928 United States08/23/2011 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People can't have it both ways. EITHER the police are quiet, respectable, safe public servants, OR they are strong enough, tough enough to outmonster the monsters. If your cops are quiet, safe, and respectable, they will roll over and die in the line of duty as soon as they come up against someone with better instincts. If your cops can outmonster the monsters, well, you just better not look or act like one of the monsters. BTW, he was aiming for the dad, not the kid. |
| Alex A Madison User ID: 747162 United States08/23/2011 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People can't have it both ways. EITHER the police are quiet, respectable, safe public servants, OR they are strong enough, tough enough to outmonster the monsters. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1515928 If your cops are quiet, safe, and respectable, they will roll over and die in the line of duty as soon as they come up against someone with better instincts. If your cops can outmonster the monsters, well, you just better not look or act like one of the monsters. BTW, he was aiming for the dad, not the kid. That isn't their job. Their job is giving tickets for traffic violations and investigating crimes after the fact. It's your job to "out monster the monsters" if it comes to that, not theirs. Really, that isn't the issue here, but it's still true. The police shouldn't be expected to protect you from harm. How are they supposed to even get their in time? That's our responsibility. It's simply the physics of the situation. That part of life is now and always has been, down to you and me. Not that a police officer wouldn't try to help if you were being attacked, but it's not reasonable to expect them to be around for it. Last Edited by Alex A Madison on 08/23/2011 10:35 AM DON'T BE A DUMB-ASS, READ A BOOK! BOOKS HELP TO SHARPEN THE MIND AND MAKE LEARNING MORE ENJOYABLE. YAY BOOKS! Read mine for free. ABOMINATIONS by Alex Madison. (You can't beat a free gift! It would be nearly thirty dollars in the store...) Read it for free at: [link to orangecatpublishing.com] |
