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Just an update to the body bag threads. Update first post

 
Jake101 (OP)

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You're wrong. I work for the largest filter manufacturer in the world, filters are one thing I consider myself a near expert on.

Filters break down, and they become toxic. You're giving incorrect and dangerous advice.
 Quoting: Jake101


No, you're wrong and have now conclusively proven you are a fraud
there is only one kind, for a certain specific use (can't remember off the top of my head) that uses anything but charcoal. the scary myths come from the real fact that WWII british filters did have asbestos in them but those were the only dangerous filters ever produced. The only way filters, which ARE made with activated charcoal, become toxic is from absorbing too many of the chemicals they are supposed to.

Google is your friend, you may want to use it a little more in depthly than the first site you come upon ( like the one you used to get your info about gas masks for, a site selling gasmasks and perpetuating the myth to make a sale)

"Safety of old gas masks

Gas masks have a limited useful lifespan that is related to the absorbent capacity of the filter. Once the filter has been saturated with hazardous chemicals, it ceases to provide protection and the user may be injured. Most gas masks use sealing caps over the air intake to prevent the filter from degrading before use, but the protective abilities also degrade as the filter ages or if it is exposed to moisture and heat. Very old unused gas mask filters from World War II may not be effective at all in protecting the user, and can potentially cause harm to the user due to long-term changes in the filter chemical composition.

World War II gas masks contained blue asbestos in their filters, and this material continued to be used until at least 1956. Breathing blue asbestos in the factories resulted in death from mesothelioma of 10% of workers, and between 2.5 and 3.2 times the normal incidence of lung or respiratory cancers.[1] Some of the gas masks known to contain asbestos are the British MK4 and MK5 respirators which were issued to the majority of the British army during World War II. Current advice is never to wear any gas mask of uncertain military origin.

Many scare stories have originated from various Russian gas masks and their filters that are now common in surplus stores; the GP-5 was often considered to have an asbestos filter, however like most cold-war masks it only contains activated charcoal.

Modern gas masks are quite safe and do not use asbestos, but it is still important to be careful when using a modern gas mask. Typically masks using 40mm connections are more recent design. Rubber also degrades with time so new in box "Modern type" masks can be cracked and leak."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Nice editing work.

You're a liar, and for the life of me, I'm not sure why you would be attempting to get people to use dangerous expired filters. Nephrotoxicity is a bitch (and a side effect of expired antibiotic applicants,) and so is lung cancer. For those interested, I suggest you do your own research before relying on an edited Wiki article.

There are many excellent resources on Gas masks and filters.



Agendas abound.

ETA: If anyone is curious what that individual is referring to, he's getting information from a Wiki article. What he's neglecting to tell you is that oxygen (any H2O based exposure) is a "chemical" (his words,) that breaks down the filter. Do not use expired gas mask filters, the expiration involved also takes into fact the lifespan of the package the filter is sealed in.
 Quoting: Jake101


you're an idiot. just google "toxic gas mask filters" you will get a 10's if not hundreds of articles, websites etc showing its a myth other than what I have said(toxicity by absorption, not "breakdown"), only a few propagating the myth of lethal manufacture components.....moron.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Break down occurs BECAUSE OF ABSORPTION. An expiration date factors in the seals that prevent oxygen from saturating.

What do you think oxygen is? I'd love to hear how you intend to seal a filter in an absolute vaccuum until you intend to use it.

Ignore an expiration, and you risk the filter (and the chemical agents that protect you when fresh) breaking down and poisoning you. I didn't come here to talk about gas mask filters. The poster asked, and I answered. You, on the other hand, have some sort of purpose here hijacking the thread.
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Filters are made with activated charcoal, and alwasy have been. They can't become toxic unless they were used in a toxic environment and became saturated. The m17 scare etc are just "Urban legends" and heresay
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You're wrong. I work for the largest filter manufacturer in the world, filters are one thing I consider myself a near expert on.

Filters break down, and they become toxic. You're giving incorrect and dangerous advice.
 Quoting: Jake101


No, you're wrong and have now conclusively proven you are a fraud
there is only one kind, for a certain specific use (can't remember off the top of my head) that uses anything but charcoal. the scary myths come from the real fact that WWII british filters did have asbestos in them but those were the only dangerous filters ever produced. The only way filters, which ARE made with activated charcoal, become toxic is from absorbing too many of the chemicals they are supposed to.

Google is your friend, you may want to use it a little more in depthly than the first site you come upon ( like the one you used to get your info about gas masks for, a site selling gasmasks and perpetuating the myth to make a sale)

"Safety of old gas masks

Gas masks have a limited useful lifespan that is related to the absorbent capacity of the filter. Once the filter has been saturated with hazardous chemicals, it ceases to provide protection and the user may be injured. Most gas masks use sealing caps over the air intake to prevent the filter from degrading before use, but the protective abilities also degrade as the filter ages or if it is exposed to moisture and heat. Very old unused gas mask filters from World War II may not be effective at all in protecting the user, and can potentially cause harm to the user due to long-term changes in the filter chemical composition.

World War II gas masks contained blue asbestos in their filters, and this material continued to be used until at least 1956. Breathing blue asbestos in the factories resulted in death from mesothelioma of 10% of workers, and between 2.5 and 3.2 times the normal incidence of lung or respiratory cancers.[1] Some of the gas masks known to contain asbestos are the British MK4 and MK5 respirators which were issued to the majority of the British army during World War II. Current advice is never to wear any gas mask of uncertain military origin.

Many scare stories have originated from various Russian gas masks and their filters that are now common in surplus stores; the GP-5 was often considered to have an asbestos filter, however like most cold-war masks it only contains activated charcoal.

Modern gas masks are quite safe and do not use asbestos, but it is still important to be careful when using a modern gas mask. Typically masks using 40mm connections are more recent design. Rubber also degrades with time so new in box "Modern type" masks can be cracked and leak."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


the only agenda is the truth and exposing frauds/liars.....agendas abound yes...whats yours? Trying to salvage your role playing attempt? You are the one who supposedly sells filters, who has the agenda here? hmmm...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


I sell structure filtration systems and their in-line filters. I do not sell gas mask filters (but that's neither here nor there.)

I won't allow you to hijack this thread. I've answered you, just like I answered the little runts before. From here on out, you can talk to yourself.

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No, you're wrong and have now conclusively proven you are a fraud
there is only one kind, for a certain specific use (can't remember off the top of my head) that uses anything but charcoal. the scary myths come from the real fact that WWII british filters did have asbestos in them but those were the only dangerous filters ever produced. The only way filters, which ARE made with activated charcoal, become toxic is from absorbing too many of the chemicals they are supposed to.

Google is your friend, you may want to use it a little more in depthly than the first site you come upon ( like the one you used to get your info about gas masks for, a site selling gasmasks and perpetuating the myth to make a sale)

"Safety of old gas masks

Gas masks have a limited useful lifespan that is related to the absorbent capacity of the filter. Once the filter has been saturated with hazardous chemicals, it ceases to provide protection and the user may be injured. Most gas masks use sealing caps over the air intake to prevent the filter from degrading before use, but the protective abilities also degrade as the filter ages or if it is exposed to moisture and heat. Very old unused gas mask filters from World War II may not be effective at all in protecting the user, and can potentially cause harm to the user due to long-term changes in the filter chemical composition.

World War II gas masks contained blue asbestos in their filters, and this material continued to be used until at least 1956. Breathing blue asbestos in the factories resulted in death from mesothelioma of 10% of workers, and between 2.5 and 3.2 times the normal incidence of lung or respiratory cancers.[1] Some of the gas masks known to contain asbestos are the British MK4 and MK5 respirators which were issued to the majority of the British army during World War II. Current advice is never to wear any gas mask of uncertain military origin.

Many scare stories have originated from various Russian gas masks and their filters that are now common in surplus stores; the GP-5 was often considered to have an asbestos filter, however like most cold-war masks it only contains activated charcoal.

Modern gas masks are quite safe and do not use asbestos, but it is still important to be careful when using a modern gas mask. Typically masks using 40mm connections are more recent design. Rubber also degrades with time so new in box "Modern type" masks can be cracked and leak."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Nice editing work.

You're a liar, and for the life of me, I'm not sure why you would be attempting to get people to use dangerous expired filters. Nephrotoxicity is a bitch (and a side effect of expired antibiotic applicants,) and so is lung cancer. For those interested, I suggest you do your own research before relying on an edited Wiki article.

There are many excellent resources on Gas masks and filters.



Agendas abound.

ETA: If anyone is curious what that individual is referring to, he's getting information from a Wiki article. What he's neglecting to tell you is that oxygen (any H2O based exposure) is a "chemical" (his words,) that breaks down the filter. Do not use expired gas mask filters, the expiration involved also takes into fact the lifespan of the package the filter is sealed in.
 Quoting: Jake101


you're an idiot. just google "toxic gas mask filters" you will get a 10's if not hundreds of articles, websites etc showing its a myth other than what I have said(toxicity by absorption, not "breakdown"), only a few propagating the myth of lethal manufacture components.....moron.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Break down occurs BECAUSE OF ABSORPTION. An expiration date factors in the seals that prevent oxygen from saturating.

What do you think oxygen is? I'd love to hear how you intend to seal a filter in an absolute vaccuum until you intend to use it.

Ignore an expiration, and you risk the filter (and the chemical agents that protect you when fresh) breaking down and poisoning you. I didn't come here to talk about gas mask filters. The poster asked, and I answered. You, on the other hand, have some sort of purpose here hijacking the thread.
 Quoting: Jake101


do you not see you are agreeing with me in one breath then going against it in the next breath??????? You just restated what I said, toxicity from absorption (and only if left/used in a highly toxic environment, NOT BREAKDOWN OF THE MATERIAL COMPNENTS OF FILTER then return to saying its the material breakdown!!!!!!!!!!

You don't even know what the hell argument you are making, again, MORON!!!
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No, you're wrong and have now conclusively proven you are a fraud
there is only one kind, for a certain specific use (can't remember off the top of my head) that uses anything but charcoal. the scary myths come from the real fact that WWII british filters did have asbestos in them but those were the only dangerous filters ever produced. The only way filters, which ARE made with activated charcoal, become toxic is from absorbing too many of the chemicals they are supposed to.

Google is your friend, you may want to use it a little more in depthly than the first site you come upon ( like the one you used to get your info about gas masks for, a site selling gasmasks and perpetuating the myth to make a sale)

"Safety of old gas masks

Gas masks have a limited useful lifespan that is related to the absorbent capacity of the filter. Once the filter has been saturated with hazardous chemicals, it ceases to provide protection and the user may be injured. Most gas masks use sealing caps over the air intake to prevent the filter from degrading before use, but the protective abilities also degrade as the filter ages or if it is exposed to moisture and heat. Very old unused gas mask filters from World War II may not be effective at all in protecting the user, and can potentially cause harm to the user due to long-term changes in the filter chemical composition.

World War II gas masks contained blue asbestos in their filters, and this material continued to be used until at least 1956. Breathing blue asbestos in the factories resulted in death from mesothelioma of 10% of workers, and between 2.5 and 3.2 times the normal incidence of lung or respiratory cancers.[1] Some of the gas masks known to contain asbestos are the British MK4 and MK5 respirators which were issued to the majority of the British army during World War II. Current advice is never to wear any gas mask of uncertain military origin.

Many scare stories have originated from various Russian gas masks and their filters that are now common in surplus stores; the GP-5 was often considered to have an asbestos filter, however like most cold-war masks it only contains activated charcoal.

Modern gas masks are quite safe and do not use asbestos, but it is still important to be careful when using a modern gas mask. Typically masks using 40mm connections are more recent design. Rubber also degrades with time so new in box "Modern type" masks can be cracked and leak."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Nice editing work.

You're a liar, and for the life of me, I'm not sure why you would be attempting to get people to use dangerous expired filters. Nephrotoxicity is a bitch (and a side effect of expired antibiotic applicants,) and so is lung cancer. For those interested, I suggest you do your own research before relying on an edited Wiki article.

There are many excellent resources on Gas masks and filters.



Agendas abound.

ETA: If anyone is curious what that individual is referring to, he's getting information from a Wiki article. What he's neglecting to tell you is that oxygen (any H2O based exposure) is a "chemical" (his words,) that breaks down the filter. Do not use expired gas mask filters, the expiration involved also takes into fact the lifespan of the package the filter is sealed in.
 Quoting: Jake101


you're an idiot. just google "toxic gas mask filters" you will get a 10's if not hundreds of articles, websites etc showing its a myth other than what I have said(toxicity by absorption, not "breakdown"), only a few propagating the myth of lethal manufacture components.....moron.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Break down occurs BECAUSE OF ABSORPTION. An expiration date factors in the seals that prevent oxygen from saturating.

What do you think oxygen is? I'd love to hear how you intend to seal a filter in an absolute vaccuum until you intend to use it.

Ignore an expiration, and you risk the filter (and the chemical agents that protect you when fresh) breaking down and poisoning you. I didn't come here to talk about gas mask filters. The poster asked, and I answered. You, on the other hand, have some sort of purpose here hijacking the thread.
 Quoting: Jake101


Just to put this out there, but.... aren't a LOT of products cheaply and easily vacuum sealed to prevent spoilage or contamination, it being an extremely common practice anymore. So, if it were a problem and concern for these filters, then what would be the difficulty in sealing them in the same fashion? At least the filter agent or unit itself?

Just seems odd if that's actually a problem.

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You're wrong. I work for the largest filter manufacturer in the world, filters are one thing I consider myself a near expert on.

Filters break down, and they become toxic. You're giving incorrect and dangerous advice.
 Quoting: Jake101


No, you're wrong and have now conclusively proven you are a fraud
there is only one kind, for a certain specific use (can't remember off the top of my head) that uses anything but charcoal. the scary myths come from the real fact that WWII british filters did have asbestos in them but those were the only dangerous filters ever produced. The only way filters, which ARE made with activated charcoal, become toxic is from absorbing too many of the chemicals they are supposed to.

Google is your friend, you may want to use it a little more in depthly than the first site you come upon ( like the one you used to get your info about gas masks for, a site selling gasmasks and perpetuating the myth to make a sale)

"Safety of old gas masks

Gas masks have a limited useful lifespan that is related to the absorbent capacity of the filter. Once the filter has been saturated with hazardous chemicals, it ceases to provide protection and the user may be injured. Most gas masks use sealing caps over the air intake to prevent the filter from degrading before use, but the protective abilities also degrade as the filter ages or if it is exposed to moisture and heat. Very old unused gas mask filters from World War II may not be effective at all in protecting the user, and can potentially cause harm to the user due to long-term changes in the filter chemical composition.

World War II gas masks contained blue asbestos in their filters, and this material continued to be used until at least 1956. Breathing blue asbestos in the factories resulted in death from mesothelioma of 10% of workers, and between 2.5 and 3.2 times the normal incidence of lung or respiratory cancers.[1] Some of the gas masks known to contain asbestos are the British MK4 and MK5 respirators which were issued to the majority of the British army during World War II. Current advice is never to wear any gas mask of uncertain military origin.

Many scare stories have originated from various Russian gas masks and their filters that are now common in surplus stores; the GP-5 was often considered to have an asbestos filter, however like most cold-war masks it only contains activated charcoal.

Modern gas masks are quite safe and do not use asbestos, but it is still important to be careful when using a modern gas mask. Typically masks using 40mm connections are more recent design. Rubber also degrades with time so new in box "Modern type" masks can be cracked and leak."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


the only agenda is the truth and exposing frauds/liars.....agendas abound yes...whats yours? Trying to salvage your role playing attempt? You are the one who supposedly sells filters, who has the agenda here? hmmm...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


I sell structure filtration systems and their in-line filters. I do not sell gas mask filters (but that's neither here nor there.)

I won't allow you to hijack this thread. I've answered you, just like I answered the little runts before. From here on out, you can talk to yourself.
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so now you are going back on what you previously said, that you are an expert on gas mask filters? how many feet can you get in your mouth?
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Nice editing work.

You're a liar, and for the life of me, I'm not sure why you would be attempting to get people to use dangerous expired filters. Nephrotoxicity is a bitch (and a side effect of expired antibiotic applicants,) and so is lung cancer. For those interested, I suggest you do your own research before relying on an edited Wiki article.

There are many excellent resources on Gas masks and filters.



Agendas abound.

ETA: If anyone is curious what that individual is referring to, he's getting information from a Wiki article. What he's neglecting to tell you is that oxygen (any H2O based exposure) is a "chemical" (his words,) that breaks down the filter. Do not use expired gas mask filters, the expiration involved also takes into fact the lifespan of the package the filter is sealed in.
 Quoting: Jake101


you're an idiot. just google "toxic gas mask filters" you will get a 10's if not hundreds of articles, websites etc showing its a myth other than what I have said(toxicity by absorption, not "breakdown"), only a few propagating the myth of lethal manufacture components.....moron.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Break down occurs BECAUSE OF ABSORPTION. An expiration date factors in the seals that prevent oxygen from saturating.

What do you think oxygen is? I'd love to hear how you intend to seal a filter in an absolute vaccuum until you intend to use it.

Ignore an expiration, and you risk the filter (and the chemical agents that protect you when fresh) breaking down and poisoning you. I didn't come here to talk about gas mask filters. The poster asked, and I answered. You, on the other hand, have some sort of purpose here hijacking the thread.
 Quoting: Jake101


Just to put this out there, but.... aren't a LOT of products cheaply and easily vacuum sealed to prevent spoilage or contamination, it being an extremely common practice anymore. So, if it were a problem and concern for these filters, then what would be the difficulty in sealing them in the same fashion? At least the filter agent or unit itself?

Just seems odd if that's actually a problem.

cool2
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thats just it, it isn't a BIG problem. If you use it past its expiration it MAY not work as it should which could be dangerous if you are expecting it too, but then you would smell most hazardous substances and realize it wasn't working. If you leave it exposed in a toxic environment, it may become saturated thus dangerous, but again, you would smell the containment right away upon using it. OP got caught telling half truths, was called on it, and is now struggling to get out.
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Nice editing work.

You're a liar, and for the life of me, I'm not sure why you would be attempting to get people to use dangerous expired filters. Nephrotoxicity is a bitch (and a side effect of expired antibiotic applicants,) and so is lung cancer. For those interested, I suggest you do your own research before relying on an edited Wiki article.

There are many excellent resources on Gas masks and filters.



Agendas abound.

ETA: If anyone is curious what that individual is referring to, he's getting information from a Wiki article. What he's neglecting to tell you is that oxygen (any H2O based exposure) is a "chemical" (his words,) that breaks down the filter. Do not use expired gas mask filters, the expiration involved also takes into fact the lifespan of the package the filter is sealed in.
 Quoting: Jake101


you're an idiot. just google "toxic gas mask filters" you will get a 10's if not hundreds of articles, websites etc showing its a myth other than what I have said(toxicity by absorption, not "breakdown"), only a few propagating the myth of lethal manufacture components.....moron.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Break down occurs BECAUSE OF ABSORPTION. An expiration date factors in the seals that prevent oxygen from saturating.

What do you think oxygen is? I'd love to hear how you intend to seal a filter in an absolute vaccuum until you intend to use it.

Ignore an expiration, and you risk the filter (and the chemical agents that protect you when fresh) breaking down and poisoning you. I didn't come here to talk about gas mask filters. The poster asked, and I answered. You, on the other hand, have some sort of purpose here hijacking the thread.
 Quoting: Jake101


Just to put this out there, but.... aren't a LOT of products cheaply and easily vacuum sealed to prevent spoilage or contamination, it being an extremely common practice anymore. So, if it were a problem and concern for these filters, then what would be the difficulty in sealing them in the same fashion? At least the filter agent or unit itself?

Just seems odd if that's actually a problem.

cool2
 Quoting: Okie


Yes, it is easy. It's why many filters have expirations exceeding 15 years now. It used to be (in surplus masks) that they would be sealed in a plastic "egg," or sometimes vacuum sealed in a foil laden cardboard biproduct.

Now, vacuum packaging is far more effective. The problem comes not from the packaging necessarily, but the inability to mass produce these filters in a pure vacuum state. Existing oxygen in a single crevasse can react with external temperatures, and eventually make its way into the filtration housing breaking down the filter and it's applicants.
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you're an idiot. just google "toxic gas mask filters" you will get a 10's if not hundreds of articles, websites etc showing its a myth other than what I have said(toxicity by absorption, not "breakdown"), only a few propagating the myth of lethal manufacture components.....moron.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Break down occurs BECAUSE OF ABSORPTION. An expiration date factors in the seals that prevent oxygen from saturating.

What do you think oxygen is? I'd love to hear how you intend to seal a filter in an absolute vaccuum until you intend to use it.

Ignore an expiration, and you risk the filter (and the chemical agents that protect you when fresh) breaking down and poisoning you. I didn't come here to talk about gas mask filters. The poster asked, and I answered. You, on the other hand, have some sort of purpose here hijacking the thread.
 Quoting: Jake101


Just to put this out there, but.... aren't a LOT of products cheaply and easily vacuum sealed to prevent spoilage or contamination, it being an extremely common practice anymore. So, if it were a problem and concern for these filters, then what would be the difficulty in sealing them in the same fashion? At least the filter agent or unit itself?

Just seems odd if that's actually a problem.

cool2
 Quoting: Okie


Yes, it is easy. It's why many filters have expirations exceeding 15 years now. It used to be (in surplus masks) that they would be sealed in a plastic "egg," or sometimes vacuum sealed in a foil laden cardboard biproduct.

Now, vacuum packaging is far more effective. The problem comes not from the packaging necessarily, but the inability to mass produce these filters in a pure vacuum state. Existing oxygen in a single crevasse can react with external temperatures, and eventually make its way into the filtration housing breaking down the filter and it's applicants.
 Quoting: Jake101


you just aren't going to admit you're wrong are you?? ACTIVATED CHARCOAL ( WHICH IS WHAT GAS MASK FILTERS ARE MADE OF) CAN"T BREAK DOWN INTO SOMETHING LETHAL......I guess people who don't understand logic/science can only find jobs selling filters!!
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It looks like the world shaking problems of gas masks aren't going solved on this thread, but there has been some pretty interesting stuff on here before it devolved into a mud slinging fest. Could we go back to the subject of the thread. Thanks.
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You're wrong. I work for the largest filter manufacturer in the world, filters are one thing I consider myself a near expert on.

Filters break down, and they become toxic. You're giving incorrect and dangerous advice.
 Quoting: Jake101


No, you're wrong and have now conclusively proven you are a fraud
there is only one kind, for a certain specific use (can't remember off the top of my head) that uses anything but charcoal. the scary myths come from the real fact that WWII british filters did have asbestos in them but those were the only dangerous filters ever produced. The only way filters, which ARE made with activated charcoal, become toxic is from absorbing too many of the chemicals they are supposed to.

Google is your friend, you may want to use it a little more in depthly than the first site you come upon ( like the one you used to get your info about gas masks for, a site selling gasmasks and perpetuating the myth to make a sale)

"Safety of old gas masks

Gas masks have a limited useful lifespan that is related to the absorbent capacity of the filter. Once the filter has been saturated with hazardous chemicals, it ceases to provide protection and the user may be injured. Most gas masks use sealing caps over the air intake to prevent the filter from degrading before use, but the protective abilities also degrade as the filter ages or if it is exposed to moisture and heat. Very old unused gas mask filters from World War II may not be effective at all in protecting the user, and can potentially cause harm to the user due to long-term changes in the filter chemical composition.

World War II gas masks contained blue asbestos in their filters, and this material continued to be used until at least 1956. Breathing blue asbestos in the factories resulted in death from mesothelioma of 10% of workers, and between 2.5 and 3.2 times the normal incidence of lung or respiratory cancers.[1] Some of the gas masks known to contain asbestos are the British MK4 and MK5 respirators which were issued to the majority of the British army during World War II. Current advice is never to wear any gas mask of uncertain military origin.

Many scare stories have originated from various Russian gas masks and their filters that are now common in surplus stores; the GP-5 was often considered to have an asbestos filter, however like most cold-war masks it only contains activated charcoal.

Modern gas masks are quite safe and do not use asbestos, but it is still important to be careful when using a modern gas mask. Typically masks using 40mm connections are more recent design. Rubber also degrades with time so new in box "Modern type" masks can be cracked and leak."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Nice editing work.

You're a liar, and for the life of me, I'm not sure why you would be attempting to get people to use dangerous expired filters. Nephrotoxicity is a bitch (and a side effect of expired antibiotic applicants,) and so is lung cancer. For those interested, I suggest you do your own research before relying on an edited Wiki article.

There are many excellent resources on Gas masks and filters.



Agendas abound.

ETA: If anyone is curious what that individual is referring to, he's getting information from a Wiki article. What he's neglecting to tell you is that oxygen (any H2O based exposure) is a "chemical" (his words,) that breaks down the filter. Do not use expired gas mask filters, the expiration involved also takes into fact the lifespan of the package the filter is sealed in.
 Quoting: Jake101


you're an idiot. just google "toxic gas mask filters" you will get a 10's if not hundreds of articles, websites etc showing its a myth other than what I have said(toxicity by absorption, not "breakdown"), only a few propagating the myth of lethal manufacture components.....moron.
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What's with the name-calling?

Why are you trying to take over this thread?
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No, you're wrong and have now conclusively proven you are a fraud
there is only one kind, for a certain specific use (can't remember off the top of my head) that uses anything but charcoal. the scary myths come from the real fact that WWII british filters did have asbestos in them but those were the only dangerous filters ever produced. The only way filters, which ARE made with activated charcoal, become toxic is from absorbing too many of the chemicals they are supposed to.

Google is your friend, you may want to use it a little more in depthly than the first site you come upon ( like the one you used to get your info about gas masks for, a site selling gasmasks and perpetuating the myth to make a sale)

"Safety of old gas masks

Gas masks have a limited useful lifespan that is related to the absorbent capacity of the filter. Once the filter has been saturated with hazardous chemicals, it ceases to provide protection and the user may be injured. Most gas masks use sealing caps over the air intake to prevent the filter from degrading before use, but the protective abilities also degrade as the filter ages or if it is exposed to moisture and heat. Very old unused gas mask filters from World War II may not be effective at all in protecting the user, and can potentially cause harm to the user due to long-term changes in the filter chemical composition.

World War II gas masks contained blue asbestos in their filters, and this material continued to be used until at least 1956. Breathing blue asbestos in the factories resulted in death from mesothelioma of 10% of workers, and between 2.5 and 3.2 times the normal incidence of lung or respiratory cancers.[1] Some of the gas masks known to contain asbestos are the British MK4 and MK5 respirators which were issued to the majority of the British army during World War II. Current advice is never to wear any gas mask of uncertain military origin.

Many scare stories have originated from various Russian gas masks and their filters that are now common in surplus stores; the GP-5 was often considered to have an asbestos filter, however like most cold-war masks it only contains activated charcoal.

Modern gas masks are quite safe and do not use asbestos, but it is still important to be careful when using a modern gas mask. Typically masks using 40mm connections are more recent design. Rubber also degrades with time so new in box "Modern type" masks can be cracked and leak."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Nice editing work.

You're a liar, and for the life of me, I'm not sure why you would be attempting to get people to use dangerous expired filters. Nephrotoxicity is a bitch (and a side effect of expired antibiotic applicants,) and so is lung cancer. For those interested, I suggest you do your own research before relying on an edited Wiki article.

There are many excellent resources on Gas masks and filters.



Agendas abound.

ETA: If anyone is curious what that individual is referring to, he's getting information from a Wiki article. What he's neglecting to tell you is that oxygen (any H2O based exposure) is a "chemical" (his words,) that breaks down the filter. Do not use expired gas mask filters, the expiration involved also takes into fact the lifespan of the package the filter is sealed in.
 Quoting: Jake101


you're an idiot. just google "toxic gas mask filters" you will get a 10's if not hundreds of articles, websites etc showing its a myth other than what I have said(toxicity by absorption, not "breakdown"), only a few propagating the myth of lethal manufacture components.....moron.
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What's with the name-calling?

Why are you trying to take over this thread?
 Quoting: Lotus Flower


because the OP is presenting himself as an expert on gas masks, which he most certainly is not, which calls into question EVERYTHING he has said on this thread. I thought you were all here for the truth...pffffftttt. Continue on with story time, nothing can be done to change minds of people dead set on seeing exactly what their imaginations want them to see..pathetic..
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Wow, I'm a pretty level headed bloke who researches a lot of this information and usually comes to the decision of "hmm, only enough evidence to wait and see." If you're for real though in what you're saying, this is pretty terrifying.

How many bags were ordered?
 Quoting: Mojofabulous


Millions. Plus they bought out countless other distributors/manufacturers.

But, to put things in perspective...

FEMA/Military clients use thousands of body bags every year. They're hot sellers. In training, for instance, every seal bag opened cannot be reused. So they're constantly buying them.

We also know the government/military has bunkers that use filtration systems. In-line filters, much like the filter you replace for your AC at home, must be replaced as well. So the fact they're buying them is not of a concern.

But the fact they're issuing no-bid purchase orders for items that expire so soon is a bit concerning to me. They wouldn't use these bags for training. And the level of NBC filters purchased suggests one of a couple possibilities.

One, many new bunkers just came online. This is possible.

Two, they expect the filters to be exposed to life-span shortening conditions (cold weather, hot weather, super-filtration requirements, etc,) so have bought more to compensate.

I don't know anything for sure. Again, it's just VERY out of the ordinary, enough that I thought I'd call attention to it.
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Cn't we all just get along? What about the Body Bags that are burnable in relation to the Plague thread. Hmmm?
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To the person trying to turn me in... I have access to the general mailbox. You'll have to go up further. I'd try another division's email rofl
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Wow. No way!!
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I received a garbled, nonsense threat, and another attempt to extort money out of GE using this information and giving them my name (which they do not have.)

Like I said, someone on this forum has a lot of time on his hands tounge
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No, someone on this thread is trying to shut you up. Goes to credibility me thinks... hhmmmm
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I think you mean "accelerants." I'm always leery of any post that contains spelling or simple gramatical errors.
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You mean, "grammatical?"
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Ha...
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I work in the research arena. We use paprs which have hepatitis filtered cartridges. Charcoal isn't used as much. Also there are a variety of filter types depended on the gas or organism you want to have protection from. Certainly an old charcoal filter wouldn't protect you against SARS for example. It may protect you from a gas like riot control cs gas. But new ways are made every several years to protect you. When I see people run out and buy old world war 2 masks I sticker to myself. The fools.
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I work in the research arena. We use paprs which have hepatitis filtered cartridges. Charcoal isn't used as much. Also there are a variety of filter types depended on the gas or organism you want to have protection from. Certainly an old charcoal filter wouldn't protect you against SARS for example. It may protect you from a gas like riot control cs gas. But new ways are made every several years to protect you. When I see people run out and buy old world war 2 masks I sticker to myself. The fools.
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"hepatitis filtered papers" 1rof1

You mean HEPA filter!! pathetic go bonghit
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To the person trying to turn me in... I have access to the general mailbox. You'll have to go up further. I'd try another division's email rofl
 Quoting: Jake101


Wow. No way!!
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


I received a garbled, nonsense threat, and another attempt to extort money out of GE using this information and giving them my name (which they do not have.)

Like I said, someone on this forum has a lot of time on his hands tounge
 Quoting: Jake101


No, someone on this thread is trying to shut you up. Goes to credibility me thinks... hhmmmm
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no, OP may in fact work at a company that makes filters, in the billing dept.......but he is most certainly NOT an expert on filters, as anyone with half a sense can see from the evidence presented.
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I work in the research arena. We use paprs which have hepatitis filtered cartridges. Charcoal isn't used as much. Also there are a variety of filter types depended on the gas or organism you want to have protection from. Certainly an old charcoal filter wouldn't protect you against SARS for example. It may protect you from a gas like riot control cs gas. But new ways are made every several years to protect you. When I see people run out and buy old world war 2 masks I sticker to myself. The fools.
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"hepatitis filtered papers" 1rof1

You mean HEPA filter!! pathetic go bonghit
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yes I mean HEPA. This phone that I have causes a lot of writing mistakes. Most of the time you cant see the keyboard and the words that you write automatically change to something that it knows.
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I work in the research arena. We use paprs which have hepatitis filtered cartridges. Charcoal isn't used as much. Also there are a variety of filter types depended on the gas or organism you want to have protection from. Certainly an old charcoal filter wouldn't protect you against SARS for example. It may protect you from a gas like riot control cs gas. But new ways are made every several years to protect you. When I see people run out and buy old world war 2 masks I sticker to myself. The fools.
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and if you really did work in "research", what you would be designing are RESPIRATOR cartridges or simple HEPA (surgical) masks specifically designed for virus' ((biological) threats...any GAS MASK filter is meant to stop chemicals and would have activated charcoal along with HEPA filtration if it was an NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) filter, which are meant to stop Nuclear, Biological AND chemicals
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Nice editing work.

You're a liar, and for the life of me, I'm not sure why you would be attempting to get people to use dangerous expired filters. Nephrotoxicity is a bitch (and a side effect of expired antibiotic applicants,) and so is lung cancer. For those interested, I suggest you do your own research before relying on an edited Wiki article.

There are many excellent resources on Gas masks and filters.



Agendas abound.

ETA: If anyone is curious what that individual is referring to, he's getting information from a Wiki article. What he's neglecting to tell you is that oxygen (any H2O based exposure) is a "chemical" (his words,) that breaks down the filter. Do not use expired gas mask filters, the expiration involved also takes into fact the lifespan of the package the filter is sealed in.
 Quoting: Jake101


you're an idiot. just google "toxic gas mask filters" you will get a 10's if not hundreds of articles, websites etc showing its a myth other than what I have said(toxicity by absorption, not "breakdown"), only a few propagating the myth of lethal manufacture components.....moron.
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What's with the name-calling?

Why are you trying to take over this thread?
 Quoting: Lotus Flower


because the OP is presenting himself as an expert on gas masks, which he most certainly is not, which calls into question EVERYTHING he has said on this thread. I thought you were all here for the truth...pffffftttt. Continue on with story time, nothing can be done to change minds of people dead set on seeing exactly what their imaginations want them to see..pathetic..
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Whose truth? Yours or the OPs? There is absolutely no proof that what you are saying is the truth either.
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you're an idiot. just google "toxic gas mask filters" you will get a 10's if not hundreds of articles, websites etc showing its a myth other than what I have said(toxicity by absorption, not "breakdown"), only a few propagating the myth of lethal manufacture components.....moron.
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What's with the name-calling?

Why are you trying to take over this thread?
 Quoting: Lotus Flower


because the OP is presenting himself as an expert on gas masks, which he most certainly is not, which calls into question EVERYTHING he has said on this thread. I thought you were all here for the truth...pffffftttt. Continue on with story time, nothing can be done to change minds of people dead set on seeing exactly what their imaginations want them to see..pathetic..
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Whose truth? Yours or the OPs? There is absolutely no proof that what you are saying is the truth either.
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yeah, I know, only the myriad of FACTS/information out there to back up my claims....and the fact that I AM an expert on the issue..........but facts aren't important for many frequenter's here at this fine forum.

Some of you people believe the countless frauds, role players, and charlatans and their lies, misinfo, and outright ridiculousness without prejudice, you wouldn't know or believe the truth if it didn't fit into your preconceived beliefs or neurosis's anyways so I don't even know why I waste my time. What a joke....
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What's with the name-calling?

Why are you trying to take over this thread?
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because the OP is presenting himself as an expert on gas masks, which he most certainly is not, which calls into question EVERYTHING he has said on this thread. I thought you were all here for the truth...pffffftttt. Continue on with story time, nothing can be done to change minds of people dead set on seeing exactly what their imaginations want them to see..pathetic..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622

Whose truth? Yours or the OPs? There is absolutely no proof that what you are saying is the truth either.
 Quoting: Lotus Flower


yeah, I know, only the myriad of FACTS/information out there to back up my claims....and the fact that I AM an expert on the issue..........but facts aren't important for many frequenter's here at this fine forum.

Some of you people believe the countless frauds, role players, and charlatans and their lies, misinfo, and outright ridiculousness without prejudice, you wouldn't know or believe the truth if it didn't fit into your preconceived beliefs or neurosis's anyways so I don't even know why I waste my time. What a joke....
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Is your expertise from experience in this field and working in this industry or is it from research?

I ask only because you seem so angry and it's hard to get past your anger to really want to hear what you are saying. If OP is not telling the truth, you are making it hard for us to want to listen to what you are saying, because frankly, we haven't really seen anything positive coming from you. If you are in a profession that uses, buys, sells, makes, etc., these masks then we would know that what you are sharing comes from experience.
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because the OP is presenting himself as an expert on gas masks, which he most certainly is not, which calls into question EVERYTHING he has said on this thread. I thought you were all here for the truth...pffffftttt. Continue on with story time, nothing can be done to change minds of people dead set on seeing exactly what their imaginations want them to see..pathetic..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622

Whose truth? Yours or the OPs? There is absolutely no proof that what you are saying is the truth either.
 Quoting: Lotus Flower


yeah, I know, only the myriad of FACTS/information out there to back up my claims....and the fact that I AM an expert on the issue..........but facts aren't important for many frequenter's here at this fine forum.

Some of you people believe the countless frauds, role players, and charlatans and their lies, misinfo, and outright ridiculousness without prejudice, you wouldn't know or believe the truth if it didn't fit into your preconceived beliefs or neurosis's anyways so I don't even know why I waste my time. What a joke....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Is your expertise from experience in this field and working in this industry or is it from research?

I ask only because you seem so angry and it's hard to get past your anger to really want to hear what you are saying. If OP is not telling the truth, you are making it hard for us to want to listen to what you are saying, because frankly, we haven't really seen anything positive coming from you. If you are in a profession that uses, buys, sells, makes, etc., these masks then we would know that what you are sharing comes from experience.
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BOTH

I started "positive" by stating the facts about gas masks, OP kept arguing despite the facts, along with others supporting the OP's ignorance and ignoring the facts and thus the anger. I am done wasting my time here, and am not having a psychoanalyst session. Believe who you want or better yet, research the facts for yourselves.
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Whose truth? Yours or the OPs? There is absolutely no proof that what you are saying is the truth either.
 Quoting: Lotus Flower


yeah, I know, only the myriad of FACTS/information out there to back up my claims....and the fact that I AM an expert on the issue..........but facts aren't important for many frequenter's here at this fine forum.

Some of you people believe the countless frauds, role players, and charlatans and their lies, misinfo, and outright ridiculousness without prejudice, you wouldn't know or believe the truth if it didn't fit into your preconceived beliefs or neurosis's anyways so I don't even know why I waste my time. What a joke....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Is your expertise from experience in this field and working in this industry or is it from research?

I ask only because you seem so angry and it's hard to get past your anger to really want to hear what you are saying. If OP is not telling the truth, you are making it hard for us to want to listen to what you are saying, because frankly, we haven't really seen anything positive coming from you. If you are in a profession that uses, buys, sells, makes, etc., these masks then we would know that what you are sharing comes from experience.
 Quoting: docsls

BOTH

I started "positive" by stating the facts about gas masks, OP kept arguing despite the facts, along with others supporting the OP's ignorance and ignoring the facts and thus the anger. I am done wasting my time here, and am not having a psychoanalyst session. Believe who you want or better yet, research the facts for yourselves.
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So what are YOUR credentials?
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yeah, I know, only the myriad of FACTS/information out there to back up my claims....and the fact that I AM an expert on the issue..........but facts aren't important for many frequenter's here at this fine forum.

Some of you people believe the countless frauds, role players, and charlatans and their lies, misinfo, and outright ridiculousness without prejudice, you wouldn't know or believe the truth if it didn't fit into your preconceived beliefs or neurosis's anyways so I don't even know why I waste my time. What a joke....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1245622


Is your expertise from experience in this field and working in this industry or is it from research?

I ask only because you seem so angry and it's hard to get past your anger to really want to hear what you are saying. If OP is not telling the truth, you are making it hard for us to want to listen to what you are saying, because frankly, we haven't really seen anything positive coming from you. If you are in a profession that uses, buys, sells, makes, etc., these masks then we would know that what you are sharing comes from experience.
 Quoting: docsls

BOTH

I started "positive" by stating the facts about gas masks, OP kept arguing despite the facts, along with others supporting the OP's ignorance and ignoring the facts and thus the anger. I am done wasting my time here, and am not having a psychoanalyst session. Believe who you want or better yet, research the facts for yourselves.
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So what are YOUR credentials?
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crickets....
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crickets....
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Hopefully he's done derailing, but likely he'll be back.
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crickets....
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Hopefully he's done derailing, but likely he'll be back.
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lol probably off somewhere derailing other threads hf
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crickets....
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Hopefully he's done derailing, but likely he'll be back.
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lol probably off somewhere derailing other threads hf
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haha most likely! rofl
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