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Jet Wylie (OP) User ID: 7694657 Australia 01/11/2012 06:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ET's are not from space, they are inter-dimensional. Crossing over through rips in space time caused by microscopic black holes that appear everywhere all the time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1693907 Do you think people (humans) are capable of sensing these "rips" or traveling them? I think there are people who can sense these rips, they are more open to the paranormal. A heightened sense of awareness. I think we are just discovering how to do it now... String Theory has been a concept for travel for a long time.. “I think there's something strangely musical about noise.” Trent Reznor “And when the day arrives I'll become the sky and I'll become the sea and the sea will come to kiss me for I am going home. Nothing can stop me now.” |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 01/11/2012 06:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God isn't just all the "gods", Elohim, etc... Humans can also have the same powers as these. You can't separate God from people. Elohim is plural, but this is also true: "Hear, O Israel! The LORD our God, the LORD is One." So God is basically the unity from which plurality is born. I like to picture It as Life, and eventually Consciousness. Those things have a much wider scope than the individuals. So even "Elohim" or angels are just a fraction of God. Like you and me. |
Jet Wylie (OP) User ID: 7694657 Australia 01/11/2012 06:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God isn't just all the "gods", Elohim, etc... Humans can also have the same powers as these. You can't separate God from people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 Elohim is plural, but this is also true: "Hear, O Israel! The LORD our God, the LORD is One." So God is basically the unity from which plurality is born. I like to picture It as Life, and eventually Consciousness. Those things have a much wider scope than the individuals. So even "Elohim" or angels are just a fraction of God. Like you and me. Putain, sorry but I am atheist. I refer to the nature of God a picture we have devised over thousands of years of brainwashing and mis information. I think one day everyone will be sad to find out the fairytale is false. “I think there's something strangely musical about noise.” Trent Reznor “And when the day arrives I'll become the sky and I'll become the sea and the sea will come to kiss me for I am going home. Nothing can stop me now.” |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 01/11/2012 07:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God isn't just all the "gods", Elohim, etc... Humans can also have the same powers as these. You can't separate God from people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 Elohim is plural, but this is also true: "Hear, O Israel! The LORD our God, the LORD is One." So God is basically the unity from which plurality is born. I like to picture It as Life, and eventually Consciousness. Those things have a much wider scope than the individuals. So even "Elohim" or angels are just a fraction of God. Like you and me. Another way to explain it: You know all the cells and the living organisms in your body, bacterias, virii, etc. Well, they exist independantly, they can be isolated and defined. They'll fight for survival, and will try to reproduce. Those cells, bacterias, virri, are us, animals, plants, "aliens", spirits and extradimensional entities. Now all those cells and bacterias, they live inside a body, a nicely balanced ecosystem where they all have a place. The body cannot survive without the cells constituing it, nor without the bacterias it hosts. They all have a role to play. Are they conscious of it? No, they just think they try to survive and reproduce, yet without them, the body dies. The body, through this complexity, can become the host of a higher consciousness. He knows he is composed of individual cells, organs, limbs, and yet he can identify to it as a whole. Is the body just the sum of all it's cells? No, it's a bit more, it's the sum of all these interactions plus the consciousness of it's existence as a whole individual composed of small "animals" (cells, bacterias, virii). Well God is this "body" and it's consciousness, and we and all things alive and animated are it's constitutive cells. We can't see this God, this "body", like the human cell can't know it's part of a human body. But we can "feel" it's existence. We even gave Him names: God, Life, Consciousness. The same process exists for exemple to form "cultures". Humans can create cultures when a critical mass is reached. The "culture" is not like a human, and yet it is alive and evolving. Trying to survive and to reproduce. Conscious of itself in a way. But the culture could not exist without the humans. Just because we can't see or talk to a greater intelligence we are a part of doesn't mean it can't exist. That's God. It's actually simple as a concept, but tons of religious texts and people opinions make it more complex than that. But we don't need to make it complicated. That's God, the "intelligence" that is born from all the interactions in the Universe. You don't have to believe it, but the body doesn't care if the cell doesn't believe it's part of a body. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 01/11/2012 07:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God isn't just all the "gods", Elohim, etc... Humans can also have the same powers as these. You can't separate God from people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 Elohim is plural, but this is also true: "Hear, O Israel! The LORD our God, the LORD is One." So God is basically the unity from which plurality is born. I like to picture It as Life, and eventually Consciousness. Those things have a much wider scope than the individuals. So even "Elohim" or angels are just a fraction of God. Like you and me. Putain, sorry but I am atheist. I refer to the nature of God a picture we have devised over thousands of years of brainwashing and mis information. I think one day everyone will be sad to find out the fairytale is false. You assume much if you think all people who believe in God view it as a grumpy old man. Most people only see It as an intelligence greater than them. And it would presomptuous of the humans to think that they cannot possibly part of a greater "mind". Even doctors like Jung accepted that idea of a "consciousness sphere". Call it God or noosphere, that's basically the same. Atheism is the rejection of this idea, not the rejection of the "biblical" God. So are you an atheist? |
Jet Wylie (OP) User ID: 7694657 Australia 01/11/2012 07:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God isn't just all the "gods", Elohim, etc... Humans can also have the same powers as these. You can't separate God from people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 Elohim is plural, but this is also true: "Hear, O Israel! The LORD our God, the LORD is One." So God is basically the unity from which plurality is born. I like to picture It as Life, and eventually Consciousness. Those things have a much wider scope than the individuals. So even "Elohim" or angels are just a fraction of God. Like you and me. Another way to explain it: You know all the cells and the living organisms in your body, bacterias, virii, etc. Well, they exist independantly, they can be isolated and defined. They'll fight for survival, and will try to reproduce. Those cells, bacterias, virri, are us, animals, plants, "aliens", spirits and extradimensional entities. Now all those cells and bacterias, they live inside a body, a nicely balanced ecosystem where they all have a place. The body cannot survive without the cells constituing it, nor without the bacterias it hosts. They all have a role to play. Are they conscious of it? No, they just think they try to survive and reproduce, yet without them, the body dies. The body, through this complexity, can become the host of a higher consciousness. He knows he is composed of individual cells, organs, limbs, and yet he can identify to it as a whole. Is the body just the sum of all it's cells? No, it's a bit more, it's the sum of all these interactions plus the consciousness of it's existence as a whole individual composed of small "animals" (cells, bacterias, virii). Well God is this "body" and it's consciousness, and we and all things alive and animated are it's constitutive cells. We can't see this God, this "body", like the human cell can't know it's part of a human body. But we can "feel" it's existence. We even gave Him names: God, Life, Consciousness. The same process exists for exemple to form "cultures". Humans can create cultures when a critical mass is reached. The "culture" is not like a human, and yet it is alive and evolving. Trying to survive and to reproduce. Conscious of itself in a way. But the culture could not exist without the humans. Just because we can't see or talk to a greater intelligence we are a part of doesn't mean it can't exist. That's God. It's actually simple as a concept, but tons of religious texts and people opinions make it more complex than that. But we don't need to make it complicated. That's God, the "intelligence" that is born from all the interactions in the Universe. You don't have to believe it, but the body doesn't care if the cell doesn't believe it's part of a body. Thank you for clarifying. Excellent reply! +1 “I think there's something strangely musical about noise.” Trent Reznor “And when the day arrives I'll become the sky and I'll become the sea and the sea will come to kiss me for I am going home. Nothing can stop me now.” |
Jet Wylie (OP) User ID: 7694657 Australia 01/11/2012 07:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God isn't just all the "gods", Elohim, etc... Humans can also have the same powers as these. You can't separate God from people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 Elohim is plural, but this is also true: "Hear, O Israel! The LORD our God, the LORD is One." So God is basically the unity from which plurality is born. I like to picture It as Life, and eventually Consciousness. Those things have a much wider scope than the individuals. So even "Elohim" or angels are just a fraction of God. Like you and me. Putain, sorry but I am atheist. I refer to the nature of God a picture we have devised over thousands of years of brainwashing and mis information. I think one day everyone will be sad to find out the fairytale is false. You assume much if you think all people who believe in God view it as a grumpy old man. Most people only see It as an intelligence greater than them. And it would presomptuous of the humans to think that they cannot possibly part of a greater "mind". Even doctors like Jung accepted that idea of a "consciousness sphere". Call it God or noosphere, that's basically the same. Atheism is the rejection of this idea, not the rejection of the "biblical" God. So are you an atheist? Yes AC, i am an atheist. “I think there's something strangely musical about noise.” Trent Reznor “And when the day arrives I'll become the sky and I'll become the sea and the sea will come to kiss me for I am going home. Nothing can stop me now.” |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 01/11/2012 07:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God isn't just all the "gods", Elohim, etc... Humans can also have the same powers as these. You can't separate God from people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 Elohim is plural, but this is also true: "Hear, O Israel! The LORD our God, the LORD is One." So God is basically the unity from which plurality is born. I like to picture It as Life, and eventually Consciousness. Those things have a much wider scope than the individuals. So even "Elohim" or angels are just a fraction of God. Like you and me. Another way to explain it: You know all the cells and the living organisms in your body, bacterias, virii, etc. Well, they exist independantly, they can be isolated and defined. They'll fight for survival, and will try to reproduce. Those cells, bacterias, virri, are us, animals, plants, "aliens", spirits and extradimensional entities. Now all those cells and bacterias, they live inside a body, a nicely balanced ecosystem where they all have a place. The body cannot survive without the cells constituing it, nor without the bacterias it hosts. They all have a role to play. Are they conscious of it? No, they just think they try to survive and reproduce, yet without them, the body dies. The body, through this complexity, can become the host of a higher consciousness. He knows he is composed of individual cells, organs, limbs, and yet he can identify to it as a whole. Is the body just the sum of all it's cells? No, it's a bit more, it's the sum of all these interactions plus the consciousness of it's existence as a whole individual composed of small "animals" (cells, bacterias, virii). Well God is this "body" and it's consciousness, and we and all things alive and animated are it's constitutive cells. We can't see this God, this "body", like the human cell can't know it's part of a human body. But we can "feel" it's existence. We even gave Him names: God, Life, Consciousness. The same process exists for exemple to form "cultures". Humans can create cultures when a critical mass is reached. The "culture" is not like a human, and yet it is alive and evolving. Trying to survive and to reproduce. Conscious of itself in a way. But the culture could not exist without the humans. Just because we can't see or talk to a greater intelligence we are a part of doesn't mean it can't exist. That's God. It's actually simple as a concept, but tons of religious texts and people opinions make it more complex than that. But we don't need to make it complicated. That's God, the "intelligence" that is born from all the interactions in the Universe. You don't have to believe it, but the body doesn't care if the cell doesn't believe it's part of a body. This view also explains a lot of things. First, it shed a new light to all the religious texts you'll read. If keep this idea of God in mind, it all makes much more sense when religious people talk in riddle, like the answer is inside you, like you have to love your brother like yourself (because you are part of the same "body"), like "God" can't be pictured, is greater than the universe and more ancient than Earth. But it also accounts for the apparent "impotency" of God. Can't God stop wars? Can't he feed the poors? Well, just like WE are somewhat the slave of our body and habits, just like we can't do things if our body isn't able to or if our brain refuses to do it, GOD is in a way restricted by the universe. It can only use the law of the universe to act. If WE don't care about our neighbours, in a sense, God doesn't neither. He needs us to do His will because he can't do it himself. Just like to walk, I have to send an electric message the the muscles of my legs and coordinate them. God basically works in the same way so he isn't really ALL powerful. But certainly immensly more than us :) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 01/11/2012 07:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also it's funny you quote the Bible to backup your claims if you don't believe in God :) This is just my take on the Bible: There's really a lot of preconceptions about the Bible. When I talk to atheists, they all think all believers view God as some kind of individual intelligence separated from man, punishing the sinners and rewarding the just. That's assuming much. When I talk to believers, they have all kind of personal beliefs, but usually the common point is: God is greather than you, respect it. And that's pretty much it. But I'm telling you, I was an atheist, I'm a scientific and rational mind, but there's nothing I find crazy when I read the Bible. It's mostly allegories and they make perfect sense to illustrate the view of God I exposed here. And if there are more "dark" side to God in the old testament, remember a few things: -God didn't write the Bible, men did. -God evolves alongside humanity (if we change, so does God since we are part of it). -There was a context (first gods were tribal gods, representing the tribe, then came a national god representing the 12 tribes, then with Christ came the universal God representing all humanity and even the universe). God is not fixed, it evolves and as we become aware of our place in the universe, so does the God we depict in our books. Atheist are usually full of preconceptions that block them from discussed such ideas, because all they see is the vengeful God that the stupid bible-thumpers fear so much. That's not my god. That's not God. God isn't a complicated idea, it's actually very simple. Do everything you do like everything and everyone around you is you (because it is). Unsurprisingly, that's the Golden Rule you find in all religions and philosophies, because it's the supreme Truth behind all this religious mumbo jumbo that became over-analyzed by castes of priests over millenias. God is actually pissed off that people who claim to be the most religious are usually the most intolerant. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 01/11/2012 08:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what do you think about my view? Stupid? Crazy? Naive? Interesting? I think your view is interesting but only explains miracles and paranormal stuff. Not "God" in a spiritual way like the people actually "experiencing" God (it's called a mystical state). It's not like someone/God talks to you, it's much more profound but basically it's the feeling that you belong to the universe much more deeply than previously thought, and that you can relate to everything else around you like it was part of you (or you part of it). That's a mystical experience and people all over the world experience it, religious or not (those who use psychedelics experience it too). Your theory doesn't account for that. Mine does :p |
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Jet Wylie (OP) User ID: 7694657 Australia 01/11/2012 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey AC, sorry its 1am here in Australia. I will reply in full tomorrow. Thanks “I think there's something strangely musical about noise.” Trent Reznor “And when the day arrives I'll become the sky and I'll become the sea and the sea will come to kiss me for I am going home. Nothing can stop me now.” |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8399009 United States 01/11/2012 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ET's are from Space. "interdimensional" is a new age shit term, which at best means those living in the astral realms of earth, and mostly they are still dumb and certainly not ET's. Op has only one true statement in his post. the one about Adam and Eve. the world was populated everywhere in those days. They were to organize people over time into a global community as one of their roles, did not happen. |
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Jet Wylie (OP) User ID: 7694657 Australia 01/11/2012 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ET's are from Space. "interdimensional" is a new age shit term, which at best means those living in the astral realms of earth, and mostly they are still dumb and certainly not ET's. Op has only one true statement in his post. the one about Adam and Eve. the world was populated everywhere in those days. They were to organize people over time into a global community as one of their roles, did not happen. Quoting: Nobody in Particular NIP, I told you a while ago not come into my threads with your Urantia vomit. Next time I block you, sick of you. “I think there's something strangely musical about noise.” Trent Reznor “And when the day arrives I'll become the sky and I'll become the sea and the sea will come to kiss me for I am going home. Nothing can stop me now.” |
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olaf User ID: 8666483 Netherlands 01/11/2012 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God isn't just all the "gods", Elohim, etc... Humans can also have the same powers as these. You can't separate God from people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 Elohim is plural, but this is also true: "Hear, O Israel! The LORD our God, the LORD is One." So God is basically the unity from which plurality is born. I like to picture It as Life, and eventually Consciousness. Those things have a much wider scope than the individuals. So even "Elohim" or angels are just a fraction of God. Like you and me. ever heard of the word :"embarising" ? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1400367 United States 01/11/2012 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you're saying that god is part of his creation rather than outside of it, then you're putting a limit on the god you're describing. The God of the Bible is beyond time, space and matter. He isn't a wavelength, a singularity, a different dimension, etc.; these are all within creation. God is outside of that. |