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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1487429 United States 08/26/2011 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Earth, Sun, and Elenin line up in a row twice every year. Since 2007 these lineups have been taking place in late Feb/early March and then again in late Aug/early September : Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1250682 Feb 18, 2007 (no quake of 7.0+ within one week or less) Aug 24, 2007 (no quake 7.0+ within one week or less, but 9 quakes of 7.0+ within one month or less) Feb 21, 2008 (Feb 20 quake in Indonesia, 7.4; Feb 25 quake in Indonesia, 7.2) Aug 27, 2008 (no 7.0+ quake within one week or less) Feb 25, 2009 (no 7.0+ quake within one week or less) Sept 1, 2009 (Sept 2 quake in Indonesia, 7.0; Sept 29 quake in Samoa Island, 8.1) Feb 25, 2010 (Feb 26 quake in Japan, 7.0; Feb 27 quake in Chile, 8.8) Sept 3, 2010 (Sept 3 quake in New Zealand 7.0) Mar 14, 2011 (March 11 quake in Japan: 9.0) Sept 27, 2011 ?? So anything that happens within plus or minus 4 weeks (Sept 1, 2009 and Sept 28, 2009 in your example) can be attributed to Elenin? Is that what you are saying? But what is interesting is that Elenin works for the lottery too: Opposition occurred February 11, 2002 and five days later California lottery had a $193 million winner. On February 11, 2003 MegaMillions had a $128 million winner just two days before the February 13 opposition. Speaking of MegaMillions, they did it again on February, 20, 2004 just 6 days after opposition a winning of $239 million. The August 17 conjunction only had a $50 million winner on August 20. Opposition occurred February 15, 2006 just 12 days after EuroMillions had a winning of 183 million euros and on February 28, 2006 Megamillions had its largest winnings of $270 million. At the conjunction of August 22, 2007 MegaMillions had a $330 million winner on August 31. The opposition of February, 19 2008 saw a $275 million MegMillions win on February 22, 2008 by someone in Georgia Conjunction occurred August 28, 2009, the same day as a $336 million MegaMillions win and seven days earlier Italy had its largest lottery winner at $205 million. The hell with worrying about earthquakes, buy lottery tickets. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1500635 United States 08/26/2011 07:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Earth, Sun, and Elenin line up in a row twice every year. Since 2007 these lineups have been taking place in late Feb/early March and then again in late Aug/early September : Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1250682 Feb 18, 2007 (no quake of 7.0+ within one week or less) Aug 24, 2007 (no quake 7.0+ within one week or less, but 9 quakes of 7.0+ within one month or less) Feb 21, 2008 (Feb 20 quake in Indonesia, 7.4; Feb 25 quake in Indonesia, 7.2) Aug 27, 2008 (no 7.0+ quake within one week or less) Feb 25, 2009 (no 7.0+ quake within one week or less) Sept 1, 2009 (Sept 2 quake in Indonesia, 7.0; Sept 29 quake in Samoa Island, 8.1) Feb 25, 2010 (Feb 26 quake in Japan, 7.0; Feb 27 quake in Chile, 8.8) Sept 3, 2010 (Sept 3 quake in New Zealand 7.0) Mar 14, 2011 (March 11 quake in Japan: 9.0) Sept 27, 2011 ?? So anything that happens within plus or minus 4 weeks (Sept 1, 2009 and Sept 28, 2009 in your example) can be attributed to Elenin? Is that what you are saying? But what is interesting is that Elenin works for the lottery too: Opposition occurred February 11, 2002 and five days later California lottery had a $193 million winner. On February 11, 2003 MegaMillions had a $128 million winner just two days before the February 13 opposition. Speaking of MegaMillions, they did it again on February, 20, 2004 just 6 days after opposition a winning of $239 million. The August 17 conjunction only had a $50 million winner on August 20. Opposition occurred February 15, 2006 just 12 days after EuroMillions had a winning of 183 million euros and on February 28, 2006 Megamillions had its largest winnings of $270 million. At the conjunction of August 22, 2007 MegaMillions had a $330 million winner on August 31. The opposition of February, 19 2008 saw a $275 million MegMillions win on February 22, 2008 by someone in Georgia Conjunction occurred August 28, 2009, the same day as a $336 million MegaMillions win and seven days earlier Italy had its largest lottery winner at $205 million. The hell with worrying about earthquakes, buy lottery tickets. The Samoa Island quake is irrelevant. I shouldn't have included it in the list. The fact remains that the last four times Elenin has aligned in a straight line with the Earth and the Sun, there has been a 7.0 or better earthquake within THREE DAYS of that alignment. Sept 1, 2009 (Sept 2 quake in Indonesia, 7.0) Feb 25, 2010 (Feb 26 quake in Japan, 7.0; Feb 27 quake in Chile, 8.8) Sept 3, 2010 (Sept 3 quake in New Zealand 7.0) Mar 14, 2011 (March 11 quake in Japan: 9.0) The chances of this happening by pure coincidence are just one in 3300. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1500635 United States 08/26/2011 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But unlike all the alignments up til now, the September alignment will be different. All those earlier alignments had the Earth caught in the middle between the Sun and Elenin. But in a few weeks, the September alignment will have Elenin and the Sun both lined up together on the same side of the Earth. If it's anything like a tug-of-war, then the September alignment should produce far, far stronger results than the previous alignments. Instead of pulling against one another and canceling each other out, Elenin and the Sun will both be pulling in unison on the Earth. And lucky us! We all get to find out what happens at the same time. |
TBar1984 User ID: 1254186 United States 08/26/2011 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "(NOTES: the main reason why the comet C/2010X1 (Elenin) is included here with planets (in addition to the fact it drags gravitationally locked particles spanning 30k+ km) is because it is non-periodic (thus making an apparently static approach and therefore partaking in long alignments), and its trajectory is coplanar to our solar system. Other such comets have forbidding inclinations: their trajectories lie outside our solar system's plane so those comets never align with planets.) Strong seismicity during long alignments has mostly to do with object's low orbital inclination, low speed and large apparent size. Therefore only objects which are virtually co-planar to our Solar system's "plane" and which take up a significant portion of the sky are of relevance here, such as the Sun, the planets and the comet Elenin, but not any other comets or asteroids..." Ok, you do know about Comets by now I suppose. You should know that Comets usually do not start forming a Coma until they are inside of Jupiter's orbit. That's when most are discovered, when they pass inside of the orbit and begin outgassing. Elenin discovered this Comet shortly after it began outgassing and forming a Coma at a distance of 4.2 AU from the Sun. Before that, it was merely a 3km frozen rock...NO COMA. The comet passed inside of Jupiter's orbit around August 2010 before which there is NO WAY this 3km frozen rock could be considered to be, "drags gravitationally locked particles spanning 30k+ km" or "take up a significant portion of the sky." That kinda blows it right there doesn't it? Inside of Jupiter's orbit there are ten of thousands of asteroids that take up a much more significant part of the sky than a 3km rock, most are coplanar, and I'm sure there are plenty of 3+ day alignments if you want to waste your time detailing it. How can you even seriously consider Elenin in any event that occurred before August 2010? It's non-sensical. Other Elenin alignments occurred simultaneously with planetary alignments where the planets should be given priority. Jupiter was also involved in many of these alignments and opposed Saturn best Feb 23, 2011 while the Earth was moving into this opposition. Mar 11th, less than three weeks later, Earth had just reached Mercury's orbit with Saturn & Jupiter on either side. Finally May 5th, Earth moved out of the Saturn Jupiter Mercury area. I have my own theories... Last Edited by TBar1984 on 08/26/2011 08:27 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1518189 United States 08/26/2011 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Earth, Sun, and Elenin line up in a row twice every year. Since 2007 these lineups have been taking place in late Feb/early March and then again in late Aug/early September : Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1250682 Feb 18, 2007 (no quake of 7.0+ within one week or less) Aug 24, 2007 (no quake 7.0+ within one week or less, but 9 quakes of 7.0+ within one month or less) Feb 21, 2008 (Feb 20 quake in Indonesia, 7.4; Feb 25 quake in Indonesia, 7.2) Aug 27, 2008 (no 7.0+ quake within one week or less) Feb 25, 2009 (no 7.0+ quake within one week or less) Sept 1, 2009 (Sept 2 quake in Indonesia, 7.0; Sept 29 quake in Samoa Island, 8.1) Feb 25, 2010 (Feb 26 quake in Japan, 7.0; Feb 27 quake in Chile, 8.8) Sept 3, 2010 (Sept 3 quake in New Zealand 7.0) Mar 14, 2011 (March 11 quake in Japan: 9.0) Sept 27, 2011 ?? So anything that happens within plus or minus 4 weeks (Sept 1, 2009 and Sept 28, 2009 in your example) can be attributed to Elenin? Is that what you are saying? But what is interesting is that Elenin works for the lottery too: Opposition occurred February 11, 2002 and five days later California lottery had a $193 million winner. On February 11, 2003 MegaMillions had a $128 million winner just two days before the February 13 opposition. Speaking of MegaMillions, they did it again on February, 20, 2004 just 6 days after opposition a winning of $239 million. The August 17 conjunction only had a $50 million winner on August 20. Opposition occurred February 15, 2006 just 12 days after EuroMillions had a winning of 183 million euros and on February 28, 2006 Megamillions had its largest winnings of $270 million. At the conjunction of August 22, 2007 MegaMillions had a $330 million winner on August 31. The opposition of February, 19 2008 saw a $275 million MegMillions win on February 22, 2008 by someone in Georgia Conjunction occurred August 28, 2009, the same day as a $336 million MegaMillions win and seven days earlier Italy had its largest lottery winner at $205 million. The hell with worrying about earthquakes, buy lottery tickets. The Samoa Island quake is irrelevant. I shouldn't have included it in the list. The fact remains that the last four times Elenin has aligned in a straight line with the Earth and the Sun, there has been a 7.0 or better earthquake within THREE DAYS of that alignment. Sept 1, 2009 (Sept 2 quake in Indonesia, 7.0) Feb 25, 2010 (Feb 26 quake in Japan, 7.0; Feb 27 quake in Chile, 8.8) Sept 3, 2010 (Sept 3 quake in New Zealand 7.0) Mar 14, 2011 (March 11 quake in Japan: 9.0) The chances of this happening by pure coincidence are just one in 3300. There are an average of 16 magnitude 7+ earthquakes a year. The is about one every 3 weeks. The 3 days is not that significant. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1518189 United States 08/26/2011 08:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But unlike all the alignments up til now, the September alignment will be different. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1500635 All those earlier alignments had the Earth caught in the middle between the Sun and Elenin. But in a few weeks, the September alignment will have Elenin and the Sun both lined up together on the same side of the Earth. If it's anything like a tug-of-war, then the September alignment should produce far, far stronger results than the previous alignments. Instead of pulling against one another and canceling each other out, Elenin and the Sun will both be pulling in unison on the Earth. And lucky us! We all get to find out what happens at the same time. This will not be the closest encouter with a comet ever. In fact, it doesn't even make the top 25. In 1770 Comet Lexall passed at 0.015 AU. In 1910 Comet Halley passed between the Sun and Earth similar to Elenin. Comet Halley came to within 0.15 AU and the Earth passed through the tail about a month after perihelion. People predicted doom then also. Nothing happened. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1518189 United States 08/26/2011 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have any of you Omerbastards ever considered his argument for including Elenin? Here, read this again. It's from his site; Quoting: TBar1984 "(NOTES: the main reason why the comet C/2010X1 (Elenin) is included here with planets (in addition to the fact it drags gravitationally locked particles spanning 30k+ km) is because it is non-periodic (thus making an apparently static approach and therefore partaking in long alignments), and its trajectory is coplanar to our solar system. Other such comets have forbidding inclinations: their trajectories lie outside our solar system's plane so those comets never align with planets.) Strong seismicity during long alignments has mostly to do with object's low orbital inclination, low speed and large apparent size. Therefore only objects which are virtually co-planar to our Solar system's "plane" and which take up a significant portion of the sky are of relevance here, such as the Sun, the planets and the comet Elenin, but not any other comets or asteroids..." Ok, you do know about Comets by now I suppose. You should know that Comets usually do not start forming a Coma until they are inside of Jupiter's orbit. That's when most are discovered, when they pass inside of the orbit and begin outgassing. Elenin discovered this Comet shortly after it began outgassing and forming a Coma at a distance of 4.2 AU from the Sun. Before that, it was merely a 3km frozen rock...NO COMA. The comet passed inside of Jupiter's orbit around August 2010 before which there is NO WAY this 3km frozen rock could be considered to be, "drags gravitationally locked particles spanning 30k+ km" or "take up a significant portion of the sky." That kinda blows it right there doesn't it? Inside of Jupiter's orbit there are ten of thousands of asteroids that take up a much more significant part of the sky than a 3km rock, most are coplanar, and I'm sure there are plenty of 3+ day alignments if you want to waste your time detailing it. How can you even seriously consider Elenin in any event that occurred before August 2010? It's non-sensical. Other Elenin alignments occurred simultaneously with planetary alignments where the planets should be given priority. Jupiter was also involved in many of these alignments and opposed Saturn best Feb 23, 2011 while the Earth was moving into this opposition. Mar 11th, less than three weeks later, Earth had just reached Mercury's orbit with Saturn & Jupiter on either side. Finally May 5th, Earth moved out of the Saturn Jupiter Mercury area. I have my own theories... Comet Hale-Bopp had a discernable coma at 7.2 AU |
TBar1984 User ID: 1254186 United States 08/26/2011 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have any of you Omerbastards ever considered his argument for including Elenin? Here, read this again. It's from his site; Quoting: TBar1984 "(NOTES: the main reason why the comet C/2010X1 (Elenin) is included here with planets (in addition to the fact it drags gravitationally locked particles spanning 30k+ km) is because it is non-periodic (thus making an apparently static approach and therefore partaking in long alignments), and its trajectory is coplanar to our solar system. Other such comets have forbidding inclinations: their trajectories lie outside our solar system's plane so those comets never align with planets.) Strong seismicity during long alignments has mostly to do with object's low orbital inclination, low speed and large apparent size. Therefore only objects which are virtually co-planar to our Solar system's "plane" and which take up a significant portion of the sky are of relevance here, such as the Sun, the planets and the comet Elenin, but not any other comets or asteroids..." Ok, you do know about Comets by now I suppose. You should know that Comets usually do not start forming a Coma until they are inside of Jupiter's orbit. That's when most are discovered, when they pass inside of the orbit and begin outgassing. Elenin discovered this Comet shortly after it began outgassing and forming a Coma at a distance of 4.2 AU from the Sun. Before that, it was merely a 3km frozen rock...NO COMA. The comet passed inside of Jupiter's orbit around August 2010 before which there is NO WAY this 3km frozen rock could be considered to be, "drags gravitationally locked particles spanning 30k+ km" or "take up a significant portion of the sky." That kinda blows it right there doesn't it? Inside of Jupiter's orbit there are ten of thousands of asteroids that take up a much more significant part of the sky than a 3km rock, most are coplanar, and I'm sure there are plenty of 3+ day alignments if you want to waste your time detailing it. How can you even seriously consider Elenin in any event that occurred before August 2010? It's non-sensical. Other Elenin alignments occurred simultaneously with planetary alignments where the planets should be given priority. Jupiter was also involved in many of these alignments and opposed Saturn best Feb 23, 2011 while the Earth was moving into this opposition. Mar 11th, less than three weeks later, Earth had just reached Mercury's orbit with Saturn & Jupiter on either side. Finally May 5th, Earth moved out of the Saturn Jupiter Mercury area. I have my own theories... Comet Hale-Bopp had a discernable coma at 7.2 AU Comet Hale-Bopp is around 20X as large as Elenin. If Elenin would have developed a Coma earlier, it would have been discovered earlier. It didn't and wasn't. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1522293 Australia 08/26/2011 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Proof is a legal term and a measurement for alcoholic content. It is not used in science. When you see it applied to support a theory in an internet post it's an instant giveaway to the ops misunderstanding or shilling. Statistics are not another science, they are used to test hypothesis and determine significance within science. Op is trying to manipulate probability to support an agenda in this case, statistically speaking, three instances are not nearly enough to attempt to measure significance, and you would have to use all the alignments thus far, not just the chosen three. He is also using dates before Elenin was discovered as alignments. Another sad fail on Elenin |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1518189 United States 08/26/2011 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have any of you Omerbastards ever considered his argument for including Elenin? Here, read this again. It's from his site; Quoting: TBar1984 "(NOTES: the main reason why the comet C/2010X1 (Elenin) is included here with planets (in addition to the fact it drags gravitationally locked particles spanning 30k+ km) is because it is non-periodic (thus making an apparently static approach and therefore partaking in long alignments), and its trajectory is coplanar to our solar system. Other such comets have forbidding inclinations: their trajectories lie outside our solar system's plane so those comets never align with planets.) Strong seismicity during long alignments has mostly to do with object's low orbital inclination, low speed and large apparent size. Therefore only objects which are virtually co-planar to our Solar system's "plane" and which take up a significant portion of the sky are of relevance here, such as the Sun, the planets and the comet Elenin, but not any other comets or asteroids..." Ok, you do know about Comets by now I suppose. You should know that Comets usually do not start forming a Coma until they are inside of Jupiter's orbit. That's when most are discovered, when they pass inside of the orbit and begin outgassing. Elenin discovered this Comet shortly after it began outgassing and forming a Coma at a distance of 4.2 AU from the Sun. Before that, it was merely a 3km frozen rock...NO COMA. The comet passed inside of Jupiter's orbit around August 2010 before which there is NO WAY this 3km frozen rock could be considered to be, "drags gravitationally locked particles spanning 30k+ km" or "take up a significant portion of the sky." That kinda blows it right there doesn't it? Inside of Jupiter's orbit there are ten of thousands of asteroids that take up a much more significant part of the sky than a 3km rock, most are coplanar, and I'm sure there are plenty of 3+ day alignments if you want to waste your time detailing it. How can you even seriously consider Elenin in any event that occurred before August 2010? It's non-sensical. Other Elenin alignments occurred simultaneously with planetary alignments where the planets should be given priority. Jupiter was also involved in many of these alignments and opposed Saturn best Feb 23, 2011 while the Earth was moving into this opposition. Mar 11th, less than three weeks later, Earth had just reached Mercury's orbit with Saturn & Jupiter on either side. Finally May 5th, Earth moved out of the Saturn Jupiter Mercury area. I have my own theories... Comet Hale-Bopp had a discernable coma at 7.2 AU Comet Hale-Bopp is around 20X as large as Elenin. If Elenin would have developed a Coma earlier, it would have been discovered earlier. It didn't and wasn't. 10X |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1518189 United States 08/26/2011 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Proof is a legal term and a measurement for alcoholic content. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1522293 It is not used in science. When you see it applied to support a theory in an internet post it's an instant giveaway to the ops misunderstanding or shilling. Statistics are not another science, they are used to test hypothesis and determine significance within science. Op is trying to manipulate probability to support an agenda in this case, statistically speaking, three instances are not nearly enough to attempt to measure significance, and you would have to use all the alignments thus far, not just the chosen three. He is also using dates before Elenin was discovered as alignments. Another sad fail on Elenin See, that is why my lottery winnings is better, I have 10. Everybody by a lottery ticket on Nov 22, or one or two weeks before or one or two weeks after, and someone out there will win. |
psyoptics User ID: 1515826 United States 08/26/2011 09:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | things or most diffentaly get crazy. people of this world or getting crazier. this has to be bigger then just a comet or a planet we can't see. if we are coming to a universal alignment that happens every 4,000 years there might be forces at work that are way beyond our sciences or knowege of the universe. we can keep make and watching videos about elenin and fudging times and date to make thing work after the fact but that not fair. something is going on if we want to understand we must look at the past truthfully. a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1523031 Spain 08/27/2011 07:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Vatican Recalling all Archbishops due to Elenin=- Thread: -=Vatican Recalling all Archbishops due to Elenin=- ¨I am a layperson working for Opera Romana Pellegrinaggi ran by Father Atuire. It is the travel agency for the vatican. I work out details for bookings for flights and hotels for employees of the church(priests, students, laypersons, invited guests, etc). The Vatican last week ordered us to get travel arrangements for ALL Archbishops from around the world to Rome. They are to be in Rome by Oct. 10, through the 24. They indicated that if they arrive after the 17th, they are not to come and stay with their clergy. Both recalling all the bishops and mandating the date and not to come if you miss the date has NEVER happened before. It should be noted, Elenin will be closest Oct. 17.¨ fyi- spiritdaily |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 460707 United States 08/27/2011 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Proof is a legal term and a measurement for alcoholic content. It is not used in science. When you see it applied to support a theory in an internet post it's an instant giveaway to the ops misunderstanding or shilling. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1522293 That's all just semantics. Statistical science isn't a science? Op is trying to manipulate probability to support an agenda in this case, statistically speaking, three instances are not Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1522293 nearly enough to attempt to measure significance FOUR instances, not three. Sept 1, 2009 (Sept 2 quake in Indonesia, 7.0) Feb 25, 2010 (Feb 26 quake in Japan, 7.0; Feb 27 quake in Chile, 8.8) Sept 3, 2010 (Sept 3 quake in New Zealand 7.0) Mar 14, 2011 (March 11 quake in Japan: 9.0) It is a FACT that the last four times Elenin, Earth, and Sun lined up, there was a 7.0 or better quake within three days. It is a FACT that the probability of that occurring by chance is about one in 3300. It is a FACT that the probability of that NOT being pure chance is 99.969%. I'd take those odds in Vegas every day of the week. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1250682 United States 08/27/2011 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Our astronomers say that science has proven that Elenin is neither large nor massive enough to exert any significant gravitational force upon the Earth. They say that they observed it pass close by an asteroid and it didn’t perturb the asteroid’s orbit at all, so if it can’t budge a teeny asteroid at close range, then how is it going to move the Earth from an even greater distance away? It’s a good argument, based in solid science, and we have no reason to doubt it. However, the science of statistics and probabilities still indicates that some sort of connection exists connecting Elenin to large quakes on Earth. Our astronomical measurements have proven that these connections cannot be due to simple gravity, but that does not negate the connections themselves. We don't know what is causing this connection, but there is no doubt that it exists. Well, technically there is a small chance that this connection doesn't exist - but just one chance in 3300. Will Astronut argue that there is not enough gravity to produce these effects? I would agree with him. But that is not to say that the math is wrong. Something is producing this effect, we just don't know what that is. |
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