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WTF!!!! GIBSON GUITAR PLANTS RAIDED BY DOJ INVOKING FOREIGN LAWS FROM INDIA!!!

 
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Yes, I have

Gibson appears to be owned by a overseas company- TC Electronics !
The vast majority of instruments are made in the USA !
The buy-out happened sometime 2008 ?, at least that is when there was
a major price increase (still continues wall) and I was made aware !
I am the proud owner of 2 custom shop instruments- I feel safe to say
that I am in the know ? The parent company of Gibson Guitars is
"over seas"
hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178876


Actually that is not true. Gibson is owned by Henry Juszkiewicz and Dave Berryman, they had purchased the company back in 1985.

FMI (Fender Musical instruments) is a corporation that is publicly traded. It is a merger of Fender and Kaman Music, who was the largest distributor in the world. FMI's CEO is the former head of Guitar Center, that is why you see so many models which are made specifically for them.

TC Electronics is part of TC Group, which has ZERO interest in Gibson.

All Gibson's are made in the USA....their off shore brands are Epiphone, Kramer, Tobias, Steinberger, Valley Arts, and Maestro, which are built mostly by Cortek (Cort) and Samick, the two largest OEM producers of quality Asian instruments.
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While TC electronics, Gibson, etc. are all valid points and informational, the issue here is that a group of alphabet soup thugs raided the place WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. IT DOESN"T MATTER WHO OWNS GIBSON.
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Eric Holder's main job is to piss off the general public, whipping them into a revolutionary frenzy, imho.
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clappa

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July 4th 2012 Universal Independance day and return of the Messiah: fulfilling the 3 1/2 year prophecy.
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You are mistaken. TCE was a purchase. We do that all the time. There are discussions going on now for more just like there are over 17 members of the Gibson family of Brands. This is the most enlightening post I have seen on GLP in 3 years of membership. Because it is the first one that i know more about than 99.9% of people here.
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Last I heard, Gibson was owned by TC Electronics ( From Denmark ?)
Who is outsourcing Who ?
hf


Fender- Well ????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178876


Plants raided in Memphis and Nashville.

Read the press release.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


Yes, I have

Gibson appears to be owned by a overseas company- TC Electronics !
The vast majority of instruments are made in the USA !
The buy-out happened sometime 2008 ?, at least that is when there was
a major price increase (still continues wall) and I was made aware !
I am the proud owner of 2 custom shop instruments- I feel safe to say
that I am in the know ? The parent company of Gibson Guitars is
"over seas"
hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178876

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1520511

This isn't a pissing contest about guitar manufacturing trivia. It's expressing abhorrence at the overreach of the doj and the rise of the police state.

I saw this presser on the website and brought it here. If you don't like this info inclosed, send a request to Gibson to unfuck themselves.

Not all of us have the "good fortune" of having to live in Nashville; but still,congrats on your Birdseye view of the incident. We have to use what we're given to discern what happened, but if you can contribute to the truth - please do.
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....“The Federal Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. has suggested that the use of wood from India that is not finished by Indian workers is illegal, not because of U.S. law, but because it is the Justice Department’s interpretation of a law in India. (If the same wood from the same tree was finished by Indian workers, the material would be legal.) This action was taken without the support and consent of the government in India.” ...


[link to www.gibson.com]


FUCK YOU ERIC HOLDER!

Won't prosecute Black Panthers! Ships guns to mexican drug cartels! Executes warrant against gibson under foreign law for vendetta!

INSANITY!

Gibson says they're gonna fight 'em.

I'll be paying attention to this...
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


So basically they're saying,

you can't bring raw materials into the country and fabricate them into a product.

That is friggen INSANITY!

The DOJ official or whoever is responsible for this should be immediately sacked.
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Yes, I have

Gibson appears to be owned by a overseas company- TC Electronics !
The vast majority of instruments are made in the USA !
The buy-out happened sometime 2008 ?, at least that is when there was
a major price increase (still continues wall) and I was made aware !
I am the proud owner of 2 custom shop instruments- I feel safe to say
that I am in the know ? The parent company of Gibson Guitars is
"over seas"
hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178876


Actually that is not true. Gibson is owned by Henry Juszkiewicz and Dave Berryman, they had purchased the company back in 1985.

FMI (Fender Musical instruments) is a corporation that is publicly traded. It is a merger of Fender and Kaman Music, who was the largest distributor in the world. FMI's CEO is the former head of Guitar Center, that is why you see so many models which are made specifically for them.

TC Electronics is part of TC Group, which has ZERO interest in Gibson.

All Gibson's are made in the USA....their off shore brands are Epiphone, Kramer, Tobias, Steinberger, Valley Arts, and Maestro, which are built mostly by Cortek (Cort) and Samick, the two largest OEM producers of quality Asian instruments.
 Quoting: A Man of Sorrow


You are correct, I am not- Thanks for bringing it to my attention
hf


[link to www.guitarsmusicgear.com]

Gibson Guitar Buys TC Electronics
Gibson Guitar, the world's premier musical instrument manufacturer and leader in music technology and TC Group, leaders in professional audio, have announced that they are planning to merge. The announcement was made at the NAMM 2008 show in Anaheim, California by both Gibson Guitar Chairman and CEO Henry Juszkiewicz and CEO of TC Group, Anders Fauerskov.

The TC Group, headquartered in Risskov, Denmark, develops and manufactures first class audio products that provide lasting user value for audio professionals and musicians. The company has a number of premium brands of pro audio technology and produces amplifiers, speakers, digital processors, guitar pedals and other pro audio and MI products. TC Group's customers include top musical artists, world class recording studios, television and radio/TV stations, prominent theatres, commercial installations, and home entertainment.
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Eric Holder's main job is to piss off the general public, whipping them into a revolutionary frenzy, imho.
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Yep, he's the lowest form of scum on the face of the Earth.
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LOL- Point well taken. In fact I can help in the seeking of truth. Henry himself said this was political. Many people who work with me are dems but MANY are Repubs. Still few are awake even at my Level (starts with a C). This is much more about the DOJ than Gibson. I don't know how HJ voted but i know he is a fan of Obama and I have been there when he talked to Oprah via cell phone. Didn't sound 'republican' to me.

You are mistaken. TCE was a purchase. We do that all the time. There are discussions going on now for more just like there are over 17 members of the Gibson family of Brands. This is the most enlightening post I have seen on GLP in 3 years of membership. Because it is the first one that i know more about than 99.9% of people here.
...


Plants raided in Memphis and Nashville.

Read the press release.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


Yes, I have

Gibson appears to be owned by a overseas company- TC Electronics !
The vast majority of instruments are made in the USA !
The buy-out happened sometime 2008 ?, at least that is when there was
a major price increase (still continues wall) and I was made aware !
I am the proud owner of 2 custom shop instruments- I feel safe to say
that I am in the know ? The parent company of Gibson Guitars is
"over seas"
hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178876

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1520511

This isn't a pissing contest about guitar manufacturing trivia. It's expressing abhorrence at the overreach of the doj and the rise of the police state.

I saw this presser on the website and brought it here. If you don't like this info inclosed, send a request to Gibson to unfuck themselves.

Not all of us have the misfortune of having to live in Nashville; but still,congrats on your Birdseye view of the incident. We have to use what we're given to discern what happened, but if you can contribute to the truth - please do.
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Eric Holder's main job is to piss off the general public, whipping them into a revolutionary frenzy, imho.
 Quoting: BubbleHead


This administration in general have this task. Even lavish
life and vacation spree of potus is psy op targeted directly for that
 Quoting: Trbl Ivan


Actually, I am a musician, and know what I am talking about.

I remember when there were no electric guitars. My grandfather was a friend of Les Paul. I recall he and his friends talking during a back yard seafood boil and jam.
Those friends were Les Paul, Hank Williams, Marty Robbins, Willie Nelson, George Jones, and Minnie Pearl.
They were poking fun at Les Paul for his squared off wood guitar hooked up to the electricity. The first electric guitar.
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No shit?

spock who's your grandpa?
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


Can't give up his name, sorry. Too personal for a forum. I can say this. He was a pro baseball player until he threw his pitching are out, Chicago Redsoxs, way back. He was a gifted musician and songwriter, and sometimes appeared with another good friend of his who used to hang out and cook up good cajun food with him. That friend was Justin Wilson.
He was a great amateur golfer who played in pro-ams with Arnold Palmer and Lee Trevino as partners.
And, he was a rice farmer, cattle rancher, and one of my heros in life.

He was also a Democratic Precinct Chairman for years whose political friends became governors and presidents, and he stood down the KKK who tried to keep the blacks in town from voting.

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While TC electronics, Gibson, etc. are all valid points and informational, the issue here is that a group of alphabet soup thugs raided the place WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. IT DOESN"T MATTER WHO OWNS GIBSON.
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I agree, but I do not believe people should post false information as facts.

I have worked in the Music Industry for the last 10 years and have personal friendships with people from Gibson, FMI, HMG, US Music, AIMM, iMSO, Alfred, and many more. There is far too much disinformation supplied by people on this site.

What the DoJ has done is bullshit, but on the flipside everyone knows that Gibson has been using Indian Rosewood on their high end LP's for years, and some of it had to have been illegally obtained.

Again, this happens more often than people think, and many times it happens to the small luthiers, and you never read about it, unless you receive one of the trade magazines.

If people do not think that there is a difference in tone, Go into any GC, grab a LP standard and then a VOS or reissue. You can feel and see the difference. Most rosewood today is from Central or South America, while on the Custom shop models it is all Indian rosewood.

The best of the best, a Jimmy Page #1 reissue. Perfection in a guitar, but it is the price of a used car.
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one more step into the abyss...
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And look, I didnt mean any disrespect or deserve it, But being one of only 34 people on this planet who directly report to Henry I felt I had some authority here. I'm not trying to prove who pisses further.

LOL- Point well taken. In fact I can help in the seeking of truth. Henry himself said this was political. Many people who work with me are dems but MANY are Repubs. Still few are awake even at my Level (starts with a C). This is much more about the DOJ than Gibson. I don't know how HJ voted but i know he is a fan of Obama and I have been there when he talked to Oprah via cell phone. Didn't sound 'republican' to me.

You are mistaken. TCE was a purchase. We do that all the time. There are discussions going on now for more just like there are over 17 members of the Gibson family of Brands. This is the most enlightening post I have seen on GLP in 3 years of membership. Because it is the first one that i know more about than 99.9% of people here.
...


Yes, I have

Gibson appears to be owned by a overseas company- TC Electronics !
The vast majority of instruments are made in the USA !
The buy-out happened sometime 2008 ?, at least that is when there was
a major price increase (still continues wall) and I was made aware !
I am the proud owner of 2 custom shop instruments- I feel safe to say
that I am in the know ? The parent company of Gibson Guitars is
"over seas"
hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178876

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1520511

This isn't a pissing contest about guitar manufacturing trivia. It's expressing abhorrence at the overreach of the doj and the rise of the police state.

I saw this presser on the website and brought it here. If you don't like this info inclosed, send a request to Gibson to unfuck themselves.

Not all of us have the misfortune of having to live in Nashville; but still,congrats on your Birdseye view of the incident. We have to use what we're given to discern what happened, but if you can contribute to the truth - please do.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe

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Not Gibson! None of their guitars are made out of the USA as far as I'm aware. This doesn't include Epiphone. Just like there was lawsuit Ibanez's I wonder if there will be lawsuit Gibsons.
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That seems to be the issue.

Holder supports the removal of those jobs from the USA. He wants interdependence, not independence.
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So long Indian Rosewood fingerboards.
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I much prefer ebony anyway. banana2
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Under what laws? This Presser says that they evoked some Indian law without the request from the Indian govt...
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I think that it is just harassment from the DoJ. As you stated, the Indian government did not request this, it was just a move by the DoJ based upon their interpretation of the law.

It also could be that a person within the DoJ is being paid off by environmental groups or even by one of Gibson's competitors, such as FMI.

I have no love for Gibson, as they have made the most loved guitar (Les Paul) out of reach for young people, but I think this was a bullshit move by the DoJ.
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The Federal Reserve made the Les Paul out of reach for young people. It costs the same priced in gold.
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And look, I didnt mean any disrespect or deserve it, But being one of only 34 people on this planet who directly report to Henry I felt I had some authority here. I'm not trying to prove who pisses further.

LOL- Point well taken. In fact I can help in the seeking of truth. Henry himself said this was political. Many people who work with me are dems but MANY are Repubs. Still few are awake even at my Level (starts with a C). This is much more about the DOJ than Gibson. I don't know how HJ voted but i know he is a fan of Obama and I have been there when he talked to Oprah via cell phone. Didn't sound 'republican' to me.

You are mistaken. TCE was a purchase. We do that all the time. There are discussions going on now for more just like there are over 17 members of the Gibson family of Brands. This is the most enlightening post I have seen on GLP in 3 years of membership. Because it is the first one that i know more about than 99.9% of people here. ...

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This isn't a pissing contest about guitar manufacturing trivia. It's expressing abhorrence at the overreach of the doj and the rise of the police state.

I saw this presser on the website and brought it here. If you don't like this info inclosed, send a request to Gibson to unfuck themselves.

Not all of us have the misfortune of having to live in Nashville; but still,congrats on your Birdseye view of the incident. We have to use what we're given to discern what happened, but if you can contribute to the truth - please do.
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My bad. That may have read worse than it was meant. I'm just saying that all we have is the press release and the subsequent hi notes from the msm. If you know the real skinny, hook us up man!
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Eric Holder's main job is to piss off the general public, whipping them into a revolutionary frenzy, imho.
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yep, makes sense, his actions speak very loud
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Outrageous!

As the man said, if our government thought they were doing something wrong they could have picked up the phone and said so.

Instead they have taken a million dollars worth of wood in the hopes that they can find a violation.

Henry E. Juszkiewicz, an owner and spokesman, indicated that India would not have released the wood if it had not met their legal requirements. So this entire raid smells to high heavens.
Seymour Brenner's, MD, FACR, opinion regarding Dr. Emanuel Revici: "As a Diplomate of Radiology, I have reviewed many cases of incurable cancer that Revici has cured."
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is my epiphone les paul copy legal?

too scared to play it now
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Yes, I DO know the real skinny. I know everything except what is in Henry's head. What would you like to know? I have an 8 am conference call to prepare for. So I dont think I will be up much longer tonight...

And look, I didnt mean any disrespect or deserve it, But being one of only 34 people on this planet who directly report to Henry I felt I had some authority here. I'm not trying to prove who pisses further.

LOL- Point well taken. In fact I can help in the seeking of truth. Henry himself said this was political. Many people who work with me are dems but MANY are Repubs. Still few are awake even at my Level (starts with a C). This is much more about the DOJ than Gibson. I don't know how HJ voted but i know he is a fan of Obama and I have been there when he talked to Oprah via cell phone. Didn't sound 'republican' to me.

...

This isn't a pissing contest about guitar manufacturing trivia. It's expressing abhorrence at the overreach of the doj and the rise of the police state.

I saw this presser on the website and brought it here. If you don't like this info inclosed, send a request to Gibson to unfuck themselves.

Not all of us have the misfortune of having to live in Nashville; but still,congrats on your Birdseye view of the incident. We have to use what we're given to discern what happened, but if you can contribute to the truth - please do.
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My bad. That may have read worse than it was meant. I'm just saying that all we have is the press release and the subsequent hi notes from the msm. If you know the real skinny, hook us up man!
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is my epiphone les paul copy legal?

too scared to play it now
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this really sucks


i guess its back to the ol fender
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Yes, I DO know the real skinny. I know everything except what is in Henry's head. What would you like to know? I have an 8 am conference call to prepare for. So I dont think I will be up much longer tonight...

And look, I didnt mean any disrespect or deserve it, But being one of only 34 people on this planet who directly report to Henry I felt I had some authority here. I'm not trying to prove who pisses further.

LOL- Point well taken. In fact I can help in the seeking of truth. Henry himself said this was political. Many people who work with me are dems but MANY are Repubs. Still few are awake even at my Level (starts with a C). This is much more about the DOJ than Gibson. I don't know how HJ voted but i know he is a fan of Obama and I have been there when he talked to Oprah via cell phone. Didn't sound 'republican' to me.

...

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My bad. That may have read worse than it was meant. I'm just saying that all we have is the press release and the subsequent hi notes from the msm. If you know the real skinny, hook us up man!
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Do you feel the company is being targeted by the doj? If so, why?

Presser is kinda ambiguous in these regards... rightly so. Thanks for the inside look! Makes this thread way cooler!
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played a few big buck gibsons, my little $600 gretsch sounded better.
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When the Feds (ATF, Wildlife) came in, they turned off the security cameras while they were searching!? What do you think about that?

Yes, I DO know the real skinny. I know everything except what is in Henry's head. What would you like to know? I have an 8 am conference call to prepare for. So I dont think I will be up much longer tonight...

And look, I didnt mean any disrespect or deserve it, But being one of only 34 people on this planet who directly report to Henry I felt I had some authority here. I'm not trying to prove who pisses further.

...

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My bad. That may have read worse than it was meant. I'm just saying that all we have is the press release and the subsequent hi notes from the msm. If you know the real skinny, hook us up man!
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1520511

Do you feel the company is being targeted by the doj? If so, why?

Presser is kinda ambiguous in these regards... rightly so. Thanks for the inside look! Makes this thread way cooler!
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They FORCED their way into Henry's office before he got there, took his hard drives, and NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED.

When the Feds (ATF, Wildlife) came in, they turned off the security cameras while they were searching!? What do you think about that?

Yes, I DO know the real skinny. I know everything except what is in Henry's head. What would you like to know? I have an 8 am conference call to prepare for. So I dont think I will be up much longer tonight...

...


My bad. That may have read worse than it was meant. I'm just saying that all we have is the press release and the subsequent hi notes from the msm. If you know the real skinny, hook us up man!
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1520511

Do you feel the company is being targeted by the doj? If so, why?

Presser is kinda ambiguous in these regards... rightly so. Thanks for the inside look! Makes this thread way cooler!
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played a few big buck gibsons, my little $600 gretsch sounded better.
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When the Feds (ATF, Wildlife) came in, they turned off the security cameras while they were searching!? What do you think about that?

Yes, I DO know the real skinny. I know everything except what is in Henry's head. What would you like to know? I have an 8 am conference call to prepare for. So I dont think I will be up much longer tonight...

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My bad. That may have read worse than it was meant. I'm just saying that all we have is the press release and the subsequent hi notes from the msm. If you know the real skinny, hook us up man!
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Do you feel the company is being targeted by the doj? If so, why?

Presser is kinda ambiguous in these regards... rightly so. Thanks for the inside look! Makes this thread way cooler!
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Whoa... crazy shit! So y'all don't really even know what they did? You guys must have really pissed someone off...
Do you think they'll be back? I've heard that no charges are filed... they just fucking with y'all?
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When the Feds (ATF, Wildlife) came in, they turned off the security cameras while they were searching!? What do you think about that?

Yes, I DO know the real skinny. I know everything except what is in Henry's head. What would you like to know? I have an 8 am conference call to prepare for. So I dont think I will be up much longer tonight...

...


My bad. That may have read worse than it was meant. I'm just saying that all we have is the press release and the subsequent hi notes from the msm. If you know the real skinny, hook us up man!
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Do you feel the company is being targeted by the doj? If so, why?

Presser is kinda ambiguous in these regards... rightly so. Thanks for the inside look! Makes this thread way cooler!
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Fuck Gibson.

As a luthier I used to buy Rosewood and Ebony at premium prices because Gibson and Martin had the $$$$ to spend on all the premium woods.

They charge exorbitant prices for mediocre instruments.

I finally managed to find a good importer for my woods and actually get all the paperwork from the import.

Maybe now Gibson and some of the other companies will start using the viable wood here in the U.S. and hire some American workers.

If you haven't played a recent Gibson-made guitar, please don't respond to my post. If you have, I am sure you know what I say is fact.
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Have to agree. I play a Burny clone from Japan that is heads above any current Gibson, including the R series, IMO.

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I would like to think that my Influence is at work here but I don't know.
"Why" I think is related to previous posts about Gibson being one of the few 'American' companies. However I know first hand that HJ is not ignorent about China's quest for world power. We have been moving toward this for some time (details are too numerous).

They FORCED their way into Henry's office before he got there, took his hard drives, and NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN FILED.

When the Feds (ATF, Wildlife) came in, they turned off the security cameras while they were searching!? What do you think about that?

Yes, I DO know the real skinny. I know everything except what is in Henry's head. What would you like to know? I have an 8 am conference call to prepare for. So I dont think I will be up much longer tonight...

...

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Do you feel the company is being targeted by the doj? If so, why?

Presser is kinda ambiguous in these regards... rightly so. Thanks for the inside look! Makes this thread way cooler!
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