Good to see you posting again. I like you, you seem sincere. But unfortunately your mindset is still locked in the ways of these so called elite.
You have been trained in their ways and I am sure you have had some success with the techniques and are describing them with a certain amount of accuracy gained from your own perspective.
It is obvious you are what is termed a sequential incarnation. The sequential way of existence demands you give your power away to the hierarchy you follow. This is not good or bad, it just happens to be where you are, on your path at this time.
This is not where an advanced simultaneous path incarnation is. It is virtually impossible for a sequential to understand the simultaneous experience. The advanced simultaneous incarnation would quake at the thought of following anyone. The techniques an advanced simultaneous will use, will be highly individualized and not duplicated by anyone.
On the sequential path, you simply cannot advance much more then where you are right now. In order to operate in higher densities (higher then 3, 4 and 5) you need to be balanced and very individualized. Operating within a hierarchy makes this impossible as the nature of a hierarchy demands followers. Even if you did reach the top of the hierarchy, you would most likely be very polarized.
Throwing any true sense of balance out the window.
An advanced simultaneous incarnation is also very perceptive and can pick the gold out of all the shit that is being shovelled around, if the gold is needed. In addition the simultaneous incarnating higher self on a graduation path has greater control over the incarnation and no event on 3, 4 density can overide the chosen path.
The sequential mindset in operation on this planet is trying to force conformity by all manner of methods. Weakening of immune systems, wars, economic terrorism, ridiculous amount of laws, religion, etc. The sequential mindset's believe out of chaos comes order. So they create the chaos, so people will beg for order, which is in their back pocket. This is the sequential's undoing on this planet. They do not get it. CONFORMITY IS BANE TO A SIMULTANEOUS.
What they also do not understand is, the vibrations caused by this can be felt by the planetary higher self. The planetary higher self is a being of balance and balance cannot be denied. The creators of this galaxy game, know the nature of their creation. What is happening now, had to happen in order to bring about graduation. Balance must be served, graduation.
If you have the abilities you claim to have, you will see what looks like a gold wire with a double helix piercing the earth. This is only visible in astral space. This is a graduation key the simultaneous and the planetary spirit will be using to end their participation in 3, 4 density.
The planetary spirit has engaged the key. This planet will be a barren rock shortly and off limits in 4 density.
I am giving you this information, because I have a strong sense you will be making the sinultaneous leap shortly.
Take care,
William
E.B.I. User ID: 666126 Egypt 4/30/2009 2:15 AM
Re: I am a member of an Elite Family who you despise...ask me a question
people who think they mastered the game and think they can save everyone.
Quoting: E.B.I. 666126
This pretty well epitomizes the ongoing dullness exhibited by people like "Insider".
As if a realizer - when he says things like "Submit to Me" or "I AM the way" - would imply "Submit yourself to this individual that you perceive".
no one can save you but yourself and the tools provided to you.
Quoting: E.B.I. 666126
So you still think the conditioned self can undo its own conditioning
even though it's obvious to a sixth grader's analysis that no matter what the conditioned self produces
being dependent on those conditions
is equally dependent on those same conditions
and that hence anything arising out of the conditioned self's activity alone
will only result in another product of these conditions and can therefore never be salvific.
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There would be hope if you at least distinguished "yourself" from "your (?) Self".
But you and "Insider" and the like cannot have meant that since you then speak of "tools" that are "given" to folks.
The impasse mentioned above, the wise reader immediately sees, can however only be aggravated if the self-concoction gets more and more fabricated/alienated by using "tools" of all kinds - unless those "tools" are a synonym for offering control to the influence of the unconditioned (not "outside" or "inside" of oneself), that is if they are the unconditioned and hence "tool" being as bad a misnomer as can be. If anything the user-tool relationship is inverse to the one the word suggests.
Whatever the self concocts, regardless of what tools it uses, is alienation, conditioned, selfish, bondage, no matter how sublime it appears.
Note 8:30-8:35
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These truths mentioned above are really, really basic (though profound).
Ask yourself: how can someone who doesn't even understand the first thing master so many superior things ?
Conclusion: these kinds of "superior" things lead a truth seeker astray. In fact they could be given from all sorts of deluded subtle forces.
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I have seen plenty of folks this type, and as a rule of thumb they have a serious lack of basic control even over their annamaya kosha, making the other kosha not worth mentioning. And hence their unreliability even to themeselves.
If you would come to me, friend, (not that I would be mastering anything, "friend" goes without irony) you'd have to start over from the beginning and get your act straight.
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"Insider": outsider
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This page has a spelling problem, but it is quite recommendable for starting over and getting your act straight:
projections
pseudo-psycho-analytical as well as
pseudo-philosophical
dilettantism
and plain reading mistakes,
don't expect me to actually plough through your posts
as you apparently plough through mine
(for whatever reason - this would make sense if you found some of your own undigested shadows in there, but I'll leave that to your therapist)
One thing though:
if you expect me to respect your attempts at finding a psychotherapeutical client in me, at least pay better attention to the truth value of your claims.
All the best.
Quoting: Logos666 519614
Nice display of anger there kidda.
Irdooomed User ID: 668096 Australia 4/30/2009 5:28 AM
Re: I am a member of an Elite Family who you despise...ask me a question
You have something called the subconscious, a vast memory where every single memory is stored,
No matter what happens you will have everything stored in this memory,
The conditioned "self" can undo its "conditioning" by accumulating events and memories and experience, and as it reaches a certain stage of development, the conditioning is broken.
Also what the "self” concocts is not necessarily bad, only unadvanced "selfs" who have a mess in their subconscious may have the wrong sort of concoction out of an experience of a certain situation,
also as i explained before, one masters a thing through experience and conclusions, which are not bad or horrible as you portray them.
now superior thing do not lead one astray, in fact they are found when someone reach a stage of development, when someone sees tools leading to a superior thing using it depends on how developed the person is.
as far as elites go, they do have control over themselves more than you at least who can't post a few posts without insulting everyone else.
also in this thread I spoke to you not as a person who comes from an elite family, I didn't tell you to believe me or think I am superior to you, if I wanted to downtalk you into silence I would have done it in few short posts, however I care for most of us who read my posts, it wont do to flame each other and let the point of this thread go astray.
And responding to you last statement, bondage is what you are in now, what remains is how you free yourself from it., also you would do well to wait for your own grace instead of the grace of the “Lord”.
To William:
I used your word to only express my uncomfort in following my family’s ways, we both know each others view on this subject.
Logos666 User ID: 668938 Germany 5/1/2009 2:46 AM
Re: I am a member of an Elite Family who you despise...ask me a question
The damage may well be in the eye of the beholder.
And we were speaking of self. Don't cop out cheaply.
You have something called the subconscious, a vast memory where every single memory is stored,
No matter what happens you will have everything stored in this memory
Quoting: E.B.I. 666126
This is all conditioned by the sense of a separate self, ignorance.
Also what the "self” concocts is not necessarily bad
Quoting: E.B.I. 666126
Stop putting words in my mouth.
Good, bad: conditioned.
The conditioned "self" can undo its "conditioning" by accumulating events and memories and experience
Quoting: E.B.I. 666126
Enough read.
It has become thoroughly clear that you have been thoroughly mislead. Your path, whatever miraculous little selfish feats it might produce, is not a way to deliverance.
No wonder: you have been taught by "elitists" (even if in past lives)
who want to stay elitists, that is they want to keep on being little selfish beings (for the "good" of "others" I am sure). They will try to associate with heavenly hierarchies just in order not to drop from their rung on the delusional ladder.
This is all selfishness, and drop they will.
_____________
People with brains: don't let yourself be led astray.
by elitists like "insider" and those who associate with that mind set
who don't even have their basic act together.
no matter what the conditioned self produces
being dependent on those conditions
is equally dependent on those same conditions
and that hence anything arising out of the conditioned self's activity alone
will only result in another product of these conditions and can therefore never be salvific.
Quoting: Logos666 668056
This part is not my or anyone's opinion. It is cogent, obvious and inescapable even for God since it is tautological.
Whoever cannot see the truth of a tautology is not stupid because I call him so or because I am offending him, but simply because not recognizing a tautology is an extreme case of stupidity.
Quoting: Logos666 668056
Logos666 User ID: 668938 Germany 5/1/2009 3:18 AM
Re: I am a member of an Elite Family who you despise...ask me a question
"The conditioned "self" can undo its "conditioning" by accumulating events and memories and experience, and as it reaches a certain stage of development, the conditioning is broken."
Enough read.
It has become thoroughly clear that you have been thoroughly mislead. Your path, whatever miraculous little selfish feats it might produce, is not a way to deliverance.
Quoting: Logos666 668938
Just making sure we are not going for another redundant round:
I did not claim that this isn't the case or that this does not fulfill any purpose whatsoever.
It is this part which makes it obvious.
Logos666 User ID: 668938 Germany 5/1/2009 3:26 AM
Re: I am a member of an Elite Family who you despise...ask me a question
What is it that characterizes "a certain stage of development" where the conditioning can be broken ?
As I said before: it is the thorough understanding that it cannot save itself and gives up completely.
That is maturity: being a child of God (not some bullshit supernatural conditioned capacities).
That is "the place where you live" that "Insider" must have spoken of in order not to be deluded: your own inescapable conditioning about which the conditioned self alone can do nothing at all because all conditioned action contaminates the result with that same conditioning.
and if a direct - not merely logical - understanding of this happens
that is the "tool" it can "use" which might s(h)ave it
all the other graduated or immediate means are mainly metis/upaya to get it there.
Can true freedom be seen until bondage is fully understood ?
Rather simple really.
The rest is mainly patience, equanimity, purifying and filling your psychic lamps, wearing out selfishness and waiting for the grace of the Lord.
being a member of an elite family is it a requirement that you get fucked in the ass by a goat or just expected..... or is it just for fun?....do tell!
Logos666 User ID: 669028 Germany 5/1/2009 6:14 AM
Re: I am a member of an Elite Family who you despise...ask me a question
Q:
...and if these beings are LUCIFERS...?????
answer in 5 words or less, pleze
A (this is "Insider"):
You used 12 words and 1 number, without realising it you started a part of a ritual...are you a "being of lucifer"?
"Abakadabra"
Uhm, yes.
I hope you are beginning to see the level of maturity of this kind of elite stuff.
[ Speaking of lucifer, BTW:
Note how our dear "Insider" from the elite somehow missed what someone with some basic education knows as a matter of course:
"Ashtarte"/"Aphrodite"/"Venus" (because of her beauty the Romans identified this last version with the morning star, the "Carrier of Light"/"Lucifer" - has nothing to do with "Sheitan"/"Satan" [or anything evil for that matter], as you can see).
Quoting: Logos666 665073
]
Now notice how people are being fed the suggestion that it is an elite thing (elite being something that relieves you from the all the muck of daily peasant existence) to follow the right hierarchies with the prescribed behavior, formalistic rituals - which of course are handed out to you, if at all, by the - elite.
(Is that reminiscent of brahmanistic caste thinking or what, and if you fall for that, you probably didn't deserve any better)
_____________
In contrast, perhaps, notice the short part concerning this special cow in the video I posted earlier, and which the Maharishi insisted actually found moksha in his presence (this was no concession to hindu conventions at all):
Quoting: Logos666 665073
A freaking COW found liberation !!!
"But didn't "Insider" talk about a hierarchy of higher beings and about ascending from earth which is a prison and if you use the right rituals...
And didn't this other guy suggest we need all kinds of quaffalistic complications for spiritual liberation ?
"
The "esoteric complications" are most necessary to understand truth,
You say you're in an elite family that nobody has ever heard of. You say we despise this family. Why would we despise a family we've never even heard of? What a bunch of BS.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 669032 United States 5/1/2009 6:21 AM
Re: I am a member of an Elite Family who you despise...ask me a question
You have something called the subconscious, a vast memory where every single memory is stored,
No matter what happens you will have everything stored in this memory,
The conditioned "self" can undo its "conditioning" by accumulating events and memories and experience, and as it reaches a certain stage of development, the conditioning is broken.
Also what the "self” concocts is not necessarily bad, only unadvanced "selfs" who have a mess in their subconscious may have the wrong sort of concoction out of an experience of a certain situation,
also as i explained before, one masters a thing through experience and conclusions, which are not bad or horrible as you portray them.
now superior thing do not lead one astray, in fact they are found when someone reach a stage of development, when someone sees tools leading to a superior thing using it depends on how developed the person is.
as far as elites go, they do have control over themselves more than you at least who can't post a few posts without insulting everyone else.
also in this thread I spoke to you not as a person who comes from an elite family, I didn't tell you to believe me or think I am superior to you, if I wanted to downtalk you into silence I would have done it in few short posts, however I care for most of us who read my posts, it wont do to flame each other and let the point of this thread go astray.
And responding to you last statement, bondage is what you are in now, what remains is how you free yourself from it., also you would do well to wait for your own grace instead of the grace of the “Lord”.
To William:
I used your word to only express my uncomfort in following my family’s ways, we both know each others view on this subject.
Quoting: E.B.I. 666126
Stop wasting time putting useful stuff into his subconscious. It may turn around and help the poor lad.
E.B.I. User ID: 666126 Egypt 5/1/2009 6:50 PM
Re: I am a member of an Elite Family who you despise...ask me a question
As much as the damage may be in the eye of the beholder, perfection may be only in your eyes,
You are conditioned to think that you are conditioned and that you saving yourself is impossible.
Also you missed a major point; if you have read my posts you wouldn’t have included me with elitists,
I may have been taught by them but I renounce their ways.
Also you have no idea what my path is like, so don’t speak about things you do not know.
Also stop planting subliminal messages in your posts, for example to make certain words in bold, like “condition” and “alone”, whether you know it or not this is a common subliminal message technique.
What characterizes the stage of development is the realization of who you truly are and your purpose becoming evolution.
Thinking that you cannot be saved or evolve is what “elitists” want you to think, do not forget, you are not the child of a G-d, you are the G-d.
Also you would have noticed the level of maturity in insider’s posts if you for instance have realized that he mentioned that he is a member of minority, and that the thread’s reason was to deploy information not telling you how to be Elite.
Now I want to make one thing very clear,
Worshipped flawed beings as g-ds is not enough, merely reading a bible or a quraan is not enough, you bibles and quraans wont save you from anything,
That blind earthly love is enough for your evolution is a thought planted by people who want to make you powerless,
With love there must be power, if you are powerless then you do not count, and your earthly love will not matter.
Logos666 User ID: 669752 Germany 5/2/2009 2:29 AM
Re: I am a member of an Elite Family who you despise...ask me a question
You are conditioned to think that you are conditioned
Quoting: E.B.I. 666126
Yes, and so is everyone else who still has a sense of separateness.
For example: everyone who paricipates in this thread. For example: you.
Why ?
Anyone who has transcended the deep seated notion of separateness would have no time to waste here.
_________
If you do not have a sense of separateness, nothing, absolutely nothing can cause suffering.
So that's the test. Are you always perfectly happy under all circumstances, regardless of the amount of pain and so forth ? Like a crucifixion, for instance.
Or do you instead think you need to repeat
illogical retorts
putting words in your opponents mouth
and seeing personal offense where there is none ?
I have read enough of your retorts to know this:
if you believe you are beyond all suffering, you must be a particularly extreme case of delusion.
Otherwise: yes you too are conditioned in that mentioned.
It's easy to push your buttons.
Until you realize that, your "spiritual" path hasn't even started, even if you talk with gods (or millionairs - similar mindset).
_____
Summing up: there are two possibilities.
Either you are conditioned by a sense of separateness
then
any activity ascribed to this "you" and its outcome is also conditioned by this sense of separateness and will not be liberation.
Or you are not conditioned by a sense of separateness.
In that case you know that the above is true. You might then say:
I am Self-realized
but only because you are no longer speaking from the POV of a self thus conditioned.
It is true that - only - the "Self" liberates the self.
But because of that it remains true that it is totally misleading to tell conditioned selves that they can liberate themselves.
Pick your pref.
If you confuse the two cases, it is because you are wrongly assuming an identity between a conditioned self and the always already free Self.
And that is characteristic of conditioned delusion.
_____
The reason you waste your time against this point may well be that you are assuming that when I say
"you cannot liberate yourself"
I am implying
"someone else can liberate you"
That would be typical for you, but also a sign for a the lack of mindfulness and emotion directedness
You know I find it amusing the way you react to my post,
Pretending you didn’t read them is a sign of how much they bother you, you read what you don’t like then you try to prove to yourself that they don’t bother you but you fail, then what comes next is how you want everyone to think they don’t bother you or that you don’t care for them, so you keep reminding us that you don’t read them or that you read only to a certain point because they are beneath your standards,
I find this pathetic.
But let us not stray too far from our point, now about separateness,
Separateness and individuality are important traits of spirits, there are levels of existence where you have your own body and mind and free will, however on certain planes you exist as a part of all,
In this plane of existence it is necessary to have your individuality to act as a separate person,
If I am correct and your background is eastern mysticism then your urge to mold into something and become a part of all is understandable, however remember that only when you finish a stage of development then you may be able to extend your consciousness to the universe and then you will have no need of a body, however for now and in this place you need your individuality and your own character, even those who become a part of all retain their own consciousness and traits, they merely extend their consciousness into the universe, because they then have no bodies they exist only as a consciousness,
That is how most of angels and demons exist, some may wonder how demons for example respond to multiple summons, the reason is that they exist as a consciousness, they manifest their bodies only to answer, they have an advanced consciousness that allows them to manifest more than one body in the same time and deal with more than one situation.
Also this is how the omniscience of gods is; they have extended their consciousness in a certain place so they are aware of everything their consciousness penetrates.
I know this may be difficult to understand but I have explained it as best as I can, English, after all, is not my native language.
Also conditioned self are conditioned to think they can not be saved, the first step to break the conditioning is to realize that you are conditioned and that you are able to stop it and broaden your consciousness.
After that point there will follow multiple incarnations where you will become a "truth seeker" and you will slowly, through all the experience and memories you gather, change you subconsciousness and obtain enough experience to be advanced and to stop reincarnating again and again.
an example for examples sake:
most people who study the occult, keep studying it in different incarnations and they have the information from past lives,
in each incarnation they are subtly drawn to the occult because their subconscious has changed and is following a certain track,
this is an example of how once you are on the right way you will still be on it even if you have incarnated into a different life.
Also no “you cannot liberate yourself” is wrong, regardless of what you are implying.
Dear Insider!
I believe that you review all posts every time.
How can I get out from this Prison? I can't see purposes for living. I'm tired from this life. I'm embarrassed 5 years already.
Dear Insider!
I believe that you review all posts every time.
How can I get out from this Prison? I can't see purposes for living. I'm tired from this life. I'm embarrassed 5 years already.
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