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Hurricane Irene New York: Top 5 Dangers of a Hurricane in the City

 
CrazyJarhead
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Hurricane Irene New York: Top 5 Dangers of a Hurricane in the City
If Hurricane Irene keeps to its projected path, a region unaccustomed to natural disasters may experience two in a single week. The earthquake on Tuesday -- which was centered in Mineral, Va., and sent tremors up and down the Eastern Seaboard -- caused no measurable damage in New York, but if Irene hits the region later this week, it will be a very different story.

Even if Irene reaches New York as a weakened Category 1 or Category 2 hurricane, it could still wreak considerable havoc because the city is simply not prepared to handle such storms the way Florida or the Gulf Coast are. In a worst-case scenario, here are the top five threats New York City would face from a major hurricane.

1. Storm surge

The single biggest effect New York City would see from a major hurricane is the storm surge. This is the term for water pushed toward the shore by high winds, and it can rise many feet above sea level and inundate entire neighborhoods. In the New England Hurricane of 1938, the storm surge from the East River flooded three blocks of Manhattan, even though the center of the hurricane was many miles away, pummeling eastern Long Island. The Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821 made landfall in the city itself -- in Jamaica Bay, Queens -- and the 13-foot surge inundated more than a mile of Manhattan from Battery Park to Canal Street.

Storm surges can be catastrophic even in the best-protected cities -- just look at New Orleans when the levees failed. While a Katrina-like scenario is unlikely in New York, a smaller surge could still be deadly because of the structure of New York's waterways. New York Harbor is narrow, which means that water rushing northward from the storm surge, with nowhere to go, would build up very high -- as high as 30 feet, or the third floor of some buildings, according to past warnings from the city's Office of Emergency Management. According to an evacuation map posted on the city's official Web site, aside from Lower Manhattan, many low-lying parts of the other four boroughs would also be at risk, including LaGuardia Airport and J.F.K. Airport, which are located right by Flushing Bay and Jamaica Bay, respectively. All of this would be compounded if the storm surge happened at high tide.

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Re: Hurricane Irene New York: Top 5 Dangers of a Hurricane in the City
bump
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i'll second that bump
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Re: Hurricane Irene New York: Top 5 Dangers of a Hurricane in the City
[link to weather.unisys.com]

[link to images.intellicast.com] <--- look at the jet stream

[link to www.goes.noaa.gov]

[link to weather.unisys.com]

[link to vortex.plymouth.edu] <--- surface heat index
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Re: Hurricane Irene New York: Top 5 Dangers of a Hurricane in the City
What if there is an earthquake during the hurricane?
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good..I hope it hits as a cat 5.

We need more doom..and NY doom..well..its been ten years..we REALLY need some juicy good ole fashined NY DOOM!!

Would certainly brighten things up around here.

If it happens..I might even purchase a small kitten...to share the love.

hf
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What if there is an earthquake during the hurricane?
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What if there is an earthquake during the hurricane?
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clappa
"More are the names of God and infinite are the forms through which He may be approached." -- Ramakrishna

There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed,
and hid, that shall not be known.

"A God who gets angry if you don't worship him is no God.
To worship is divine but no God can compel you to worship Him." -- Krishna

"People in high places will be hunted down like animals."
-- Hopi prophecy

"If it ain't metal, its crap." -- D. Snyder
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You forgot miscommunication between New Yorkers. That would be most interesting to say the least. Imagine all the different ethnic groups clamoring for attention in their own native tongue.
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Let's see if they can steer Irene with the same HAARP frequencies that triggered the (hurricane steering) earthquakes.

Or were the quakes caused by fracking?

Hmmmmmmm......
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good..I hope it hits as a cat 5.

We need more doom..and NY doom..well..its been ten years..we REALLY need some juicy good ole fashined NY DOOM!!

Would certainly brighten things up around here.

If it happens..I might even purchase a small kitten...to share the love.

hf
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wow, you are really sick in the head...really really sick.
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Re: Hurricane Irene New York: Top 5 Dangers of a Hurricane in the City
good..I hope it hits as a cat 5.

We need more doom..and NY doom..well..its been ten years..we REALLY need some juicy good ole fashined NY DOOM!!

Would certainly brighten things up around here.

If it happens..I might even purchase a small kitten...to share the love.

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1521123


wow, you are really sick in the head...really really sick.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1493908


Thats why I need to get a kitten...

They say pets are really good therapy...


hf5a
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Re: Hurricane Irene New York: Top 5 Dangers of a Hurricane in the City
Sorry, but the water in NYC is 65-70deg.

Hurricanes needs something to be bad ass. Very warm water and lots of it.

They like water in the 90s, not in the 60s. and they always weaken over land. Riding up the coast it will see some of that for sure.

50mph winds and tropical storm at best. NY never gets hurricanes because of the cold water.

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1. Storm surge

The Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821 made landfall in the city itself -- in Jamaica Bay, Queens --
and the 13-foot surge inundated more than a mile of Manhattan from Battery Park to Canal Street.


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 Quoting: CrazyJarhead
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Wow. And they say history never repeats ...


For those not familiar with NYC, "Battery Park to Canal Street" would
extend DEEPER INLAND than the storm surge map, from the southern
tip of Manhattan to the top of the word "AMTRAK" in the map below:


Manhatten flood


Although modern-day shipping channels have been dredged deeper to
accommodate massive cargo ships, the rest of the harbor is undoubtedly
shallower than in 1821 from nearly two centuries of sludge and sediment ...
meaning water will be pushed higher onto land than in the 1821 hurricane.

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Here's the biggest thing I am worried about-


Gov McDonnell declared a state of emergency for the ENTIRE STATE of VA.

He doesn't do that. Ever.

Tornados, snow, severe storms.. ect.. he alwaysss does it by county.

This hurricane will hit 1/2 the state at best.

So why would he declare the whole state? That's a big whoopsie on insurance is it not?

Somethings up.
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Let's see if they can steer Irene with the same HAARP frequencies that triggered the (hurricane steering) earthquakes.

Or were the quakes caused by fracking?

Hmmmmmmm......
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They are steering it

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This hurricane will hit 1/2 the state at best.

So why would he declare the whole state?
That's a big whoopsie on insurance is it not?

Somethings up.

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The government money hand-outs given by Obama to buy off
Hurricane Irene "victims" (potential 2012 voters) from the
northeast will make the $200 billion wasted on Hurricane Katrina
"victims" seem like chump change.

Get ready for FEMA to expand the role of the Federal Govt
by at least another $1 trillion.
It's coming -- count on it.




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.

1. Storm surge

The Norfolk and Long Island Hurricane of 1821 made landfall in the city itself -- in Jamaica Bay, Queens --
and the 13-foot surge inundated more than a mile of Manhattan from Battery Park to Canal Street.


.
 Quoting: CrazyJarhead
.

Wow. And they say history never repeats ...


For those not familiar with NYC, "Battery Park to Canal Street" would
extend DEEPER INLAND than the storm surge map, from the southern
tip of Manhattan to the top of the word "AMTRAK" in the map below:


Manhatten flood


Although modern-day shipping channels have been dredged deeper to
accommodate massive cargo ships, the rest of the harbor is undoubtedly
shallower than in 1821 from nearly two centuries of sludge and sediment ...
meaning water will be pushed higher onto land than in the 1821 hurricane.

 Quoting: Curious Ted



FYI....hurricane will be hitting at LOW TIDE.
That chart/graphic shows HIGH TIDE ASSUMPTIONS ONLY.


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This hurricane will hit 1/2 the state at best.

So why would he declare the whole state?
That's a big whoopsie on insurance is it not?

Somethings up.

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 Quoting: Pangn
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The government money hand-outs given by Obama to buy off
Hurricane Irene "victims" (potential 2012 voters) from the
northeast will make the $200 billion wasted on Hurricane Katrina
"victims" seem like chump change.

Get ready for FEMA to expand the role of the Federal Govt
by at least another $1 trillion.
It's coming -- count on it.




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I can't see McDonnell going along with that. He's quite the anti Obama fellow. McDonnell was the first one to call bullshit on the healthcare law. VA was the first state to sue the federal government over it.

I think McDonnell knows something with the EQ's and done it as a precaution.
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For your information, Downstate New York is more than just New York City. It's also Nassau County and Suffolk county (which share Long Island with Brooklyn and Queens) and Westchester county (which is not right on the water, but it's close enough).

And the last I read, this hurricane is heading into central Nassau.
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Let's see if they can steer Irene with the same HAARP frequencies that triggered the (hurricane steering) earthquakes.

Or were the quakes caused by fracking?

Hmmmmmmm......
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man is blaming man to deny the deity of God and that maybe he is trying to tell us something.
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NY, Hurricane Irene 2011
NY, Hurricane Erin 2001

round about same time of year, anagram(e).
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good..I hope it hits as a cat 5.

We need more doom..and NY doom..well..its been ten years..we REALLY need some juicy good ole fashined NY DOOM!!

Would certainly brighten things up around here.

If it happens..I might even purchase a small kitten...to share the love.

hf
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NY doom, fuck yeah! greedy
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skyscapers could topple. Check the fiasco around Citicorp building.
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skyscapers could topple. Check the fiasco around Citicorp building.
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WTC7 fell on the day, all those ENRON records and FBI records wiped clean in ten seconds.
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[link to images.intellicast.com] <--- look at the jet stream
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Is this normal?
the rotation over the US
Don't want your Karma?
I'll take it.
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FOR THE 10,000th TIME DOOMTARDS.


New Yorkers don't give a fuck.
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FOR THE 10,000th TIME DOOMTARDS.


New Yorkers don't give a fuck.
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they will when they're fucked....
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FOR THE 10,000th TIME DOOMTARDS.


New Yorkers don't give a fuck.
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they will when they're fucked....
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Really?
Apparently you don't live here.

You should worry about getting mugged.

Seriously we don't care, stop posting hurricane doom threads.
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good..I hope it hits as a cat 5.

We need more doom..and NY doom..well..its been ten years..we REALLY need some juicy good ole fashined NY DOOM!!

Would certainly brighten things up around here.

If it happens..I might even purchase a small kitten...to share the love.

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1521123


wow, you are really sick in the head...really really sick.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1493908


Thats why I need to get a kitten...

They say pets are really good therapy...


hf5a
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They are and a kitten is the perfect thing. Teacup Kitties
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FOR THE 10,000th TIME DOOMTARDS.


New Yorkers don't give a fuck.
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10,000 causalities?

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