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True and Fully-Verifiable Meaning of "As Above, So Below"

 
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True and Fully-Verifiable Meaning of "As Above, So Below"
True and Fully-Verifiable Meaning of "As Above, So Below"

Even though I am called Fr. Perspicuous in some circles, it is difficult to be perspicuous about these matters. That is why YOU, the fine forumites here at GLP, will have to do your due diligence in verifying/refuting the validity of my assertions in this thread. Of course, everyone knows this stuff instinctively but few people are consciously aware of it or recognize it for what it is.

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The first assertion is this:

A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum.

That's obviously the short version. It represents the "below" aspect.
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The second assertion is this:

A subject is observed by itself being observed by itself being observed by itself being observed by itself ad infinitum.

Again, that's obviously the short version. It represents the "above" aspect.
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These two assertions are the result of long and tedious logical deduction by myself. There are no currently known (by "this subject"--but please argue if you can) logical fasifications available for these two assertions.

These two assertions are the only two (that "this subject" has discovered--but please add more if you can) complete, unambiguous assertions that can NOT be logically falsified except for the assertion that "There are, at least, two logically unfalsifiable assertions".

These two assertions (to the lay person) may look similar but they assert two very different things, in two different directions: "below" and "above". Please do your due diligence if you have trouble understanding this.

I would recommend beginning by using logical deduction to find these two assertions. The first one is easiest to deduce. The second is the logical consequence of the first.

This is not a thread to promote mysticism or somesuch thing. It is not a thread to dismiss mysticism or somesuch thing. This is a thinking (wo)man's thread.

This is NOT one of those enigmatic threads where people speak in allegorical terms. This is a "face-value" thread.

I am open to logical falsification.

I am open to providing strict definitions for all nouns/verbs in the assertions. I hope that this will not be necessary because that's where being perspicuous becomes very difficult but I'm open to it.

Thanks for reading and enjoy your newfound awareness of what CAN be known.


Last Edited by simultaneous_final on 08/31/2011 05:21 PM
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Thanks for the documents you sent me!

Intriguing stuff!
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Thanks for the documents you sent me!

Intriguing stuff!
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Anytime! There's more where that came from, good Rev.

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bmp For you and this "thinking man's thread".

Hard for some people to wrap their brain around what you typed.
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bmp For you and this "thinking man's thread".

Hard for some people to wrap their brain around what you typed.
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Thank YOU, my friend, for the bump. And thanks for appreciating the "subject" matter!
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Thanks for the documents you sent me!

Intriguing stuff!
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Anytime! There's more where that came from, good Rev.
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Namaste!

nama

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good thread. it is also helpful to think of existence in terms of a function instead of a form. humans beings, for example, are a consequence of a function, that was a consequence of a function, and so on. attempting to see existence in form is subjective at best, since we all perceive the universe on a very narrow bandwidth. ( we can't see x-rays, or hear stars, etc.) there is no difference between a vesicle transporting a glucose molecule within a cell and the delivery truck driver bringing chicken to a restaraunt. the universe itself is but a single cell in "god's(?)" body, and all the billions of galaxies are the atoms, and all the stars are the electrons, etc etc. anyways, good post and karma for you!
..and now i know why things aren't as pretty from the inside..
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as above so below = fractal cymatics
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Excellent analasys!! I have referred to it as " I am aware, I am aware of the fact that I am aware, I am aware of the fact that I am aware of the fact that I am aware infinitum". Many are NOT READY. Great to see yo guys got it. So, lets chew.
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as above so below = fractal cymatics
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Well, as I've demonstrated above, it's more like the "matryoshka principle" or the principle of "Russian Dolls".
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Excellent analasys!! I have referred to it as " I am aware, I am aware of the fact that I am aware, I am aware of the fact that I am aware of the fact that I am aware infinitum". Many are NOT READY. Great to see yo guys got it. So, lets chew.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1515396


Remember that that's only one half of the key. That is the "below" aspect. I once thought that it was a sufficient explanation (see my "signature", in fact) but it's only 1/2 of the story.

Great work on finding the key! Now, consider the other half.

Remember that the two assertions above may sound similar but they are quite different.

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We are all capable, but many lack interest in this dimension. For many, it seems futile yet I see it as some type of key or tool perhaps relevent for the transition into the next dimension.
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Take your Neo-Theosophy and shove it up your ass! People who practice your religion have done nothing but oppress and destroy the world in the name of liberating it.
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WOW!!! We haveboth referred to it as a "key". We are in tune to the same frequency yet the "as above so below" analysis is based on "Baphomet" belief so I donot ascribe to that interpretation:

Baphomet symbolizing "as above,so below"


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Take your Neo-Theosophy and shove it up your ass! People who practice your religion have done nothing but oppress and destroy the world in the name of liberating it.
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Really? What exactly is my religion again? Didn't realize I had one.

Also, please review the original post as it clearly states that this thread is a "face value" thread wherein mysticism is neither promoted nor is it dismissed.

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WOW!!! We haveboth referred to it as a "key". We are in tune to the same frequency yet the "as above so below" analysis is based on "Baphomet" belief so I donot ascribe to that interpretation:

Baphomet symbolizing "as above,so below"


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1515396


Well, I would say the converse. That Baphomet is a (just one of many) symbol of the "As Above, So Below" concept. Of course, Baphomet's hand position is only one aspect of the overall symbol of Baphomet. It was almost like an afterthought.

By posting this thread, I am eliminating the need for symbolism and stating it in completely logical terms.

Please understand that I'm not promoting the Baphomet concepts or any spiritual concept at all. I'm promoting logical deduction. What I found is that when I ask the question, "What do I know?" and do the due diligence required to attain an irreducible answer, I come up with the two assertions above. Coincidentally, it matches the "As Above, So Below" concept.

I'd say that's a fairly interesting discovery. It certainly hasn't been published before in the terms I describe.


It's just food for thought and I'm certainly open to any argument that may arise from those assertions.

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Take your Neo-Theosophy and shove it up your ass! People who practice your religion have done nothing but oppress and destroy the world in the name of liberating it.
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Really? What exactly is my religion again?
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


And please understand, friend, that the "As Above, So Below" concept that you despise is only the logical consequence of my assertions. I am open to argument as to the validity of my assertions.

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I just want to thank all of those who have posted replies to this thread. I realize that the reading may be easy but the due diligence requires a lot of self-honesty.

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Now, you would think that an ancient mystery such as the meaning of "As Above, So Below" being literally unraveled and explained to everyday people in no unambiguous terms (and I might add quite perspicuously) would garner a lot of attention here at GLP.

<wishful thinking>
When people actually get a grasp as to what this thread is about, I have no doubts that it will be quite popular.
</wishful thinking>

Now, for all who study Hermetics and all who study sweet sweet Logic, I would imagine that this thread will provide enlightenment and peace of mind.
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OK - so as of right now, this thread has received over 250 views.

Do you guys understand what this thread is about?

Do you understand that this is a clear and irrefutable explanation of one of the greatest mysteries of all time?

Do you understand that when you ask "illuminated" individuals what the big "secret" is, that THIS is what you're asking about?

Have I been correct all along in thinking that even when explained clearly, the uninitiated simply wouldn't value the knowledge?

COME ON PEOPLE!

THIS IS IT!
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Don't know, might be wrong.. Is it linked to pure awareness and responsibility for your own actions? Clutching at straws here, in a manner somewhat similar to former posters..
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good thread. it is also helpful to think of existence in terms of a function instead of a form. humans beings, for example, are a consequence of a function, that was a consequence of a function, and so on. attempting to see existence in form is subjective at best, since we all perceive the universe on a very narrow bandwidth. ( we can't see x-rays, or hear stars, etc.) there is no difference between a vesicle transporting a glucose molecule within a cell and the delivery truck driver bringing chicken to a restaraunt. the universe itself is but a single cell in "god's(?)" body, and all the billions of galaxies are the atoms, and all the stars are the electrons, etc etc. anyways, good post and karma for you!
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Thanks for the Karma, man! I could use it!
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Don't know, might be wrong.. Is it linked to pure awareness and responsibility for your own actions? Clutching at straws here, in a manner somewhat similar to former posters..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1522030


Thanks for your reply, man!

Everything that is needed is in the Original Post. This is not some type of enigmatic, allegorical thread. Just read the initial post, my friend.

What makes the two assertions so important is that they are the ONLY two which can not be logically falsified.

There MAY be others but they are not knowable.

It just so happens that these two assertions imply "As Above, So Below".

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Congratulations, my brain exploded.

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No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf:

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So the subject is subject to itself being subject to itself?
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So the subject is subject to itself being subject to itself?
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"A subject" is a universal way to say "I" because we can all agree on it. If I were to say "I observe myself", then you could argue with me because there is no evidence that "I" am anything more than a part of "You". The people in our dreams, for example, are extensions of ourselves, no? Perhaps I am an extension of you right now. Maybe this is a dream or somesuch thing.

But to put it more simply, the only "subject" that one can vouch for is themselves.

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Congratulations, my brain exploded.

suicide
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That means you're getting it! CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, MY FRIEND!
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