True and Fully-Verifiable Meaning of "As Above, So Below"

I believe this is a thread that takes reference or recognition of 'God' out of the context. He becomes whatever one needs Him to be (himself, nature, aliens, etc.)

You are partially correct as to "As above, so below", but this is only a portion of it.

This statement as written, is designed to mis-lead people from the truth. It is not whole in it's context.

Matthew 18:18 reads:

"Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Christ is telling his apostles that the 'priesthood' they have received is the power to 'bind and loose' on earth and in heaven, those things which are necessary to the exaltation of mankind such as baptism, gift of the Holy Ghost, etc...etc..!

It is absolutely speaking to those powers, given by God, to those who are called. There is authority behind it, absolute authority, and no man can take it upon himself.

This is the true meaning of "As above, so below..." in it's fulness. Not this partial gibberish which has no meaning nor power.

"Until you're clean, the devil wont forget you" - Gong


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Maybe missing your point, but this is what I always understood by " As above, so below" too.

Someone didn't read the original post. Just read it again please.

I am not saying ANYTHING about God, gods, goddesses, spirits or spirtuality/mysticism.

I made two assertions and they demonstrate a Fully-Verifiable meaning of "as above, so below" in a way that can be understood by anyone who is willing to do their due diligence.

PLEASE READ THE ORIGINAL POST AGAIN, FRIEND!

Last Edited by simultaneous_final on 08/31/2011 03:35 PM

Well technically, it is a case of "Russian Dolls" which is mathematically different than a spiral.

I did read the original post.
You use the word "perpicuous".
I believe you meant "perspicuous".

Definition of PERSPICUOUS
: plain to the understanding especially because of clarity and precision of presentation <a perspicuous argument>

What followed was neither plain nor clear.
It was written with no base of orgin. No place of reference, such as who originally stated it, or where it has been stated throughout history or the eternities.

Some would consider this a biblical reference, and others a reference to some new age idea, etc.

I will not further de-rail your thread. I merely felt the need to speak the truth.

Carry on.

Last Edited by fairflight on 08/31/2011 03:50 PM

I do think this is why he was trying to be so perspicuous.

You are speaking of out of body experiences, trances, translations, visions, dreams, etc. This speaks to the fact that each of us does indeed have a spirit/soul (we are spirit/soul) and some are more enlightened to this truth, but what you do not speak of is that there are powers and principalities that are not good, but are evil, and they too can cause these awarenesses and unless one is firmly in tune to these eternal principals, one can delve into areas they ought not to be.

Last Edited by fairflight on 08/31/2011 03:51 PM

Sorry, had to jump ahead and ask, is this something like the singularly? This also connects to the stuff coming from south America, dealing with time.

And then, look at the strange and what seems like a foolish mistake by NASA. All that time and money, and now possible evacuation of the whole game to leave the station empty?

Something is going on. Is this to far out for this thread??

In 'plain' speech, it is called eternity.

No, for those of us paying attention, one can easily see the correlation between the recent info dump and fluffy.

I would think this need for qualification is irrelavant

We are the universe, observing itself.
When you stare out at the macrocosm of the night sky, you are looking at the microcosm inside yourself.

Why?

Funny you mention the "As Above, So Below," phrase as it's something I have been pondering for the last couple of weeks. It started when I looked at my clock (it projects onto my ceiling). I was looking at it upside-down from my vantage point, and i saw

10:10

That reminded me of the phrase, "As Above, So Below," and I can't stop thinking about it, pondering it's meaning. Thanks, good info.

Last Edited by CPTDavenport on 08/31/2011 04:01 PM

Dear: OP

No offense, but you have no idea what you are talking about; nor do you convey your understanding of the "Hermetical" concept of "As above, So Below"

Your answers given do not accurately justify your first maledictions; and in fact tends to show your ignorance to the subject matter.

When I first read the post title, I was hoping like probably so many others, that you had done you homework and would convey your personal educated response to the subject.

In your answer to my correcting your obvious poor attempt at deciphering an age old secret, passed down from one Alchemist to the next generation; you failed miserably in convey an educated answer.

And I would ask you to define your meaning of "You Guys" Please?

Also I would have to concur with several others who seen through this nonsense, by simply saying.

Your Wrong

Now if you would wish to have a learned debate on the subject matter; I would be happy to oblige you, but I would put forth; that in order for that to occur you would have to have a rather extensive knowledge of the subject matter.

Respectfully

"TheGhost"

Professor of Alchemy/ PhD Molecular Physics
High Order of "Golden Dawn"

Author:
"The Alchemical Nature of Life & Creation"
"The Formula of the Philosophers Stone"

Because it either is or it isn't. Wether it is eternity, or a circle, or a Russian doll set, it would not change what it is, or our role in it, and with ourselves.

www.treeincarnation.com

I think you mean that the rug matches the curtains?

This means that the demons inside of you are observing you at all times. As you can sometimes observe their form and behaviour also. But when you are observing their behaviour, you recognize that they are also hiding their true form and intentions while they are abserving you; observing them. And you are both curious as to each others presence and features and figures; as they are always trying to hide their true hideousness and intentions of having you being tormented in hell by them.

Last Edited by moses767 on 08/31/2011 04:27 PM

I have a bumper-sticker w/ this saying on it-people ask me what it means, and I say, "No matter where I look, there I am."

The universe is within my pupil.
My fingerprints are galaxies.
My mind is god.
My mission is yours.

I refuse to defile the honor of being, by labeling such things this way.

So... You are a student/teacher of Alchemy?

Alchemy is a study/practice of powers (sorcery, witchcraft, magic, etc.) that are used outside of the bounderies that God has placed and outside of the authority needed to use these principles, therefore it becomes a tool of evil/satanic.

I have one that says, "If God wanted us to be Vegetarians, then why did He make animals out of meat?"

God wrought out his compacted being of the world by certain harmony and musical proportion allayed to one another, that which are in the superior world are in the inferior also, but in a terrestrial manner: that which likeness are in the inferiors, may also be seen in the superiors, in a celestial manner indeed, and according to the cause.

by Marsilius Ficinus, 15th Cen

"You may only fool, the foolish"

Or in more simpler terms "You may only fool, the uneducated"

Respectfully

"TheGhost"

OK, guys.

I can tell that INTELLECTUAL HONESTY is a mystery to some. Any reply that sites an ancient text, whether it be the Bible or the Emerald Tablets, indicates a misunderstanding. That is not to say that these replies are somehow "incorrect" or contain false information. See, I'm being intellectually honest here--after all, I only KNOW the two assertions in the original post.

Now let's consider the definition of INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY (per Wiki):

1. the advocacy of a position which the advocate knows or believes to be false or misleading

2. the advocacy of a position which the advocate does not know to be true, and has not performed rigorous due diligence to ensure the truthfulness of the position

3. the conscious omission of aspects of the truth known or believed to be relevant in the particular context.

Number 1 is not of concern here and would only devolve into accusations of "shilling" and those accusations are above me because I simply don't know.

Number 2 is THE BIG ONE here. Seriously, that's not an insult--just an observation we can all agree on (if we're being completely honest). Any argument that cites the Bible or any text is guilty of this. Any argument that cites experiential data (as infallible) is guilty of this.

Number 3 is often the result of Number 2. When the intellectual dishonesty is pointed out, the indoctrinated individual will generally ignore the uncomfortable uncertainty by just "sticking to their guns" anyway. It's a defense mechanism and we've all been there.

This thread is the result of long and tedious work. I am invested in it. BUT, I would be the intellectually dishonest one if I had not been so careful of my wording in the original post. I invite everyone to read it again AT FACE VALUE and with no regard to belief systems.

This thread is about identifying and putting aside biases of all kinds, whether religious, material, educational, cultural, etc.

The assertions are the result of eliminating all biases when asking yourself the question, "WHAT DO I KNOW?"

The answer(s) just happens to be extremely fascinating.

But my perception of "As Above, So Below," means that whatever happens in the heavens above will also apply to below. But in all actuality; this is false and in great error. Becausde above, people are being loved by an Awesome and Wonderful God who loves them extremely much because they gave their lives to Jesus. But the Satanist version of this is that those who died in their sins and not knowing Jesus will also receive great blessings and a wonderful life above also.

But this is Satans great lie to deceive the masses and have them all in hell being tormented; as he and his demons have no intention of sharing their kingdom or their love with them. But those who go below will not have the love shown to them above by God. Because below, people are screaming and crying and being tormented constantly by the demons and the fires of hell and the lost of not being comforted and loved by the Loving and Gracious Father God.

Is that a serious statement?
That is double talk. No right or wrong answer, no right/wrong belief, etc... = No consequence.

That is called chaos.