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>>>>Sustainable Living PLUS Canning and Dehydrating Food<<<<

 
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Just a reminder if you're stocking up for when TSHTF. Meats can also be canned...in broth/gravy/sauces. Lots of directions online. I'm using small 8 oz. jars for those since there are only two of us. A small jar of beef cubes in gravy can easily be stretched into a big post of soup in desperate times.
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To my knowledge, you can't safely pressure can any flour based items-like pastas. The food companies can do this due to micro controlling temps/times/pressures that we can't get in our home kitchens. IOW you can't be sure that the needed temp (240 degrees? Something like that) will penetrate the contents evenly for the required amount of time to be safe from botulinum. I'd love to do it if I could, because we do indeed enjoy moose stew, lol

There IS one product, called ClearGel (NOT to be confused with the little boxes for jam and jelly!) which is approved as a thickener-I have a bunch of it, from when I lucked onto a case of apples one time. Made apple pie filling which is a BIG CHORE, lol

Remember that you must process your foods to the item that takes the longest-thus, if you are making spaghetti sauce with meats, you need to pressure process for the meat.

There are a bunch of USDA pdfs available, plus I can recommend Putting Food By, and the Ball Blue Book as basic guides. That said, when I have something I am not sure about processing...I always check with Jackie Clay :)

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Another pre planned meal i can is beef stew minus thickener. I can do the rice thing or add a thickener later. I layer onions deef celery beef carrots beef and finally potatoes . Then 11lbs for 120 min in half gallon ball jars.
I also can a base for chilli and have 300 pounds of beans.
My smallest 3 of my 5 kids love sloppy joes. So i make my own and hot pack in quarts at 11lbs for 90min.I do chicken the same as beef. I also can beef and chicken raw pack with boiling berky filtered spring water. It is scrumptious .
HAPPY CANNING
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I've made loads of jam(jelly) this year and some plum chutney. I'm thinking I might have a go at preserving some tomatoes as I've never done that before. But I'll see how they go as at the moment we are keeping up with the supply. We had loads of plums and apples that I've frozen and I was going to defrost and make more jam, but we've just been given some wine-making equipment so that's what we'll use it for. Can't wait to get going with it:)
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it's great you are preparing. is plum chutney hard to make?

i'd love your receipe if you want to share. ohyeah

please share with us your experiences with the wine making. that is a valuable skill.

we will be having a great deal of grapes coming in season soon. we have several types and we use some for juice and some for jelly. i don't know all the details about type though.
 Quoting: tinygreen


I used this recipe for the chutney and it's lovely, very rich:

[link to cooking4chumps.com]

You might have to do a bit of convertion though as it's a UK site.

We made wine quite a few years ago now and haven't done any inbetween. But I will let you know how it turns out. I'll try and take over from hubby as he "knows it all", but I think I'll make a better job of it!!!lolsign

If I find a good recipe for the wine I'll let you know too:)
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Ive been canning chirico sausage with peppers, onions,grape tomatoes, celery and chicken stock. 90min. at 11lbs and finished.
I add 1/2 cup rice after opened and cook on low heat for 30min and its a meal.
I also can butter that i clarify first.
I just finished 5gal of red cabage kraut YUM YUM.
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That sounds delish! how many pounds in the pressure cooker?

I want to make that!
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I did post this link on another thread. Again, it's a UK site but they have loads of recipes that can be up-sized if needed:

[link to www.allotment.org.uk]

Hope this is a helps:)

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First, a question for you "old hands" at canning! Has anyone discovered a way to can pasta? I mean, like the cans of Campbell's or Chef Boy-ar-Dee, where you open up the can and there is your spaghetti with sauce? I'm sure that home-canned would be MUCH tastier as well as not having all the preservatives and food additives etc. I know that you need to pressure-can any sauce, especially with meat, for 90 mins, and it seems like that would make the pasta all mushy. So how would one do it so that it came out "al dente"? It would be nice to have jars of canned spaghetti and macaroni for those nights when you just want to open something and eat it right away! Thanks!

Now, here is a recipe for "Apple Pie In A Jar", or at least the "apple" part! I know it's early yet for apples, but when it's time you suddenly have bushels of apples, and you can only eat so much applesauce. I'd use wide-mouth jars for ease of emptying. A quart jar is the perfect amount for a regular pie.
This makes 7 quarts, perfect for the canner. Disclaimer: I just got this recipe and haven't tried it yet, but plan to.

10 cups of water
4 1/2 cups sugar
1 cup sieved cornstarch
2 teaspoons cinnamon
1/2 teaspoon nutmeg
1 teaspoon salt
3 TABLESPOONS fresh lemon juice (I would also grate in the lemon zest, because it gives that lovely "floral" note, and why just throw it away?)
Peeled and sliced apples

1) Make the Syrup: Put the water into a large heavy pot, stir in sugar, cornstarch, cinnamon, nutmeg, and salt. Bring to a boil, stirring, and continue boiling and stirring until the syrup is thick and bubbly. Then add the lemon juice (and zest).

2) Fill clean mason jars with apple slices, cover with syrup (leave the usual head-space, about where the screwy-swirls start at the top of the jar). Seal with hot lids/rings.

Process in a boiling water bath for 20 minutes. Voila!!

Of course you can add a little more sugar and spices to your syrup if the apples are on the sour side.

I imagine that this recipe could also be used as a guide for a peach pie recipe too, although I might use a bit more cornstarch since peaches get slurpy.
 Quoting: Eggcellent


Great! I was thinking about making some!
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I did post this link on another thread. Again, it's a UK site but they have loads of recipes that can be up-sized if needed:

[link to www.allotment.org.uk]

Hope this is a helps:)
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Fantastic!! Thank you!!
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I did post this link on another thread. Again, it's a UK site but they have loads of recipes that can be up-sized if needed:

[link to www.allotment.org.uk]

Hope this is a helps:)
 Quoting: RPR


Fantastic!! Thank you!!
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You're welcome:)
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great job, tiny green!hf
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damn!!!!!!!

here's a glp thread from 2009. take a look.

Thread: Silver Ball Canning lids Failing
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Don't forget, even though it seems like Obama has been the pResident for FOREVER (and EVER and EVER and..), he didn't actually begin his active de-construction of America until January of 2009.

So that thread came out when there were not nearly the number of people home canning as there are now to take notice. You know, the "good old days"! Just look at all the "first-timers" right here on THIS thread! I think people are feeling a sense of urgency that has not existed for about 75 years. So sad that the greater percentage of the Generations who knew all about this stuff have Gone Home. Their help would be invaluable right now. This is why it's such a great idea to get kids interested in gardening and preserving, even if it's just canning peaches. That's how I got started, when I was in my 30's.
"I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12
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Just a reminder if you're stocking up for when TSHTF. Meats can also be canned...in broth/gravy/sauces. Lots of directions online. I'm using small 8 oz. jars for those since there are only two of us. A small jar of beef cubes in gravy can easily be stretched into a big post of soup in desperate times.
 Quoting: weegie




Years ago I used to work at a Mom-and-Pop Deli. When we would slice up the meat for sandwiches, there were always little "butt-ends" that they would THROW AWAY (before I got there, anyway!). I'd bring those little scraps of meat home, save them up until my day off, then run them through my good ol' hand-crank meat grinder. The meats were turkey, ham, and roast beef. I'd pack the meat into half-pint jars, along with a little bit of whichever flavor of bouillion the meat was (to keep it moist) and process them for 90 minutes. Each jar, when mixed with a little mayo and some chopped onion, made two generous sandwiches for my husband's lunch. He was a lot sorrier than I was when I got a different job!
"I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12
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To my knowledge, you can't safely pressure can any flour based items-like pastas. The food companies can do this due to micro controlling temps/times/pressures that we can't get in our home kitchens. IOW you can't be sure that the needed temp (240 degrees? Something like that) will penetrate the contents evenly for the required amount of time to be safe from botulinum. I'd love to do it if I could, because we do indeed enjoy moose stew, lol

There IS one product, called ClearGel (NOT to be confused with the little boxes for jam and jelly!) which is approved as a thickener-I have a bunch of it, from when I lucked onto a case of apples one time. Made apple pie filling which is a BIG CHORE, lol

Remember that you must process your foods to the item that takes the longest-thus, if you are making spaghetti sauce with meats, you need to pressure process for the meat.

There are a bunch of USDA pdfs available, plus I can recommend Putting Food By, and the Ball Blue Book as basic guides. That said, when I have something I am not sure about processing...I always check with Jackie Clay :)

www.backwoodshome.com
 Quoting: suvalley




Thanks for the info, Suvalley. I guess I'll just have to stock up on dried pasta and save lots of water to boil it in!
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My starter garden got pillaged by raccoons this summer, leaving me with almost nothing to put in the dehydrator. Oh, well--I've been making up for it at the farmers' market.

I'm still a novice canner, but I've been putting up pickles, dilly-beans, asparagus, and a bit of jam and lemon curd here and there. I'll do beets later on, if I can get a decent fall crop. I also canned butter/ghee, and I'm going to do cheese as well.

But I need to buy a pressure canner so I can do meats. I found a source of beef brisket at a really good price, and now I'm itching to make and can my own corned beef. I like having control over exactly what goes into it--no MSG is a big one.
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great job, tiny green!hf
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thank you so much!! hugs

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This year I canned pickled peppers, okra and cucumbers. I can't wait to pop open a jar.
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damn!!!!!!!

here's a glp thread from 2009. take a look.

Thread: Silver Ball Canning lids Failing
 Quoting: tinygreen




Don't forget, even though it seems like Obama has been the pResident for FOREVER (and EVER and EVER and..), he didn't actually begin his active de-construction of America until January of 2009.

So that thread came out when there were not nearly the number of people home canning as there are now to take notice. You know, the "good old days"! Just look at all the "first-timers" right here on THIS thread! I think people are feeling a sense of urgency that has not existed for about 75 years. So sad that the greater percentage of the Generations who knew all about this stuff have Gone Home. Their help would be invaluable right now. This is why it's such a great idea to get kids interested in gardening and preserving, even if it's just canning peaches. That's how I got started, when I was in my 30's.
 Quoting: Eggcellent


you are correct that there is a sense of urgency to prepare for whatever comes.

stepping up to the plate(literally)is our priority now.

i've been helping my girls can for the first time over the phone. so far it's just been freezer jam, but they both want to can next summer. my grans will love to help!

thank you, Eggcellent, for all you info. cheer
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Just a reminder if you're stocking up for when TSHTF. Meats can also be canned...in broth/gravy/sauces. Lots of directions online. I'm using small 8 oz. jars for those since there are only two of us. A small jar of beef cubes in gravy can easily be stretched into a big post of soup in desperate times.
 Quoting: weegie




Years ago I used to work at a Mom-and-Pop Deli. When we would slice up the meat for sandwiches, there were always little "butt-ends" that they would THROW AWAY (before I got there, anyway!). I'd bring those little scraps of meat home, save them up until my day off, then run them through my good ol' hand-crank meat grinder. The meats were turkey, ham, and roast beef. I'd pack the meat into half-pint jars, along with a little bit of whichever flavor of bouillion the meat was (to keep it moist) and process them for 90 minutes. Each jar, when mixed with a little mayo and some chopped onion, made two generous sandwiches for my husband's lunch. He was a lot sorrier than I was when I got a different job!
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i love to take ring bologna, grate it, add mayo, pickle relish and cheese. we call it bologna mix. my very favorite sandwich. when we make it i eat several sandwiches a day.

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My starter garden got pillaged by raccoons this summer, leaving me with almost nothing to put in the dehydrator. Oh, well--I've been making up for it at the farmers' market.

I'm still a novice canner, but I've been putting up pickles, dilly-beans, asparagus, and a bit of jam and lemon curd here and there. I'll do beets later on, if I can get a decent fall crop. I also canned butter/ghee, and I'm going to do cheese as well.

But I need to buy a pressure canner so I can do meats. I found a source of beef brisket at a really good price, and now I'm itching to make and can my own corned beef. I like having control over exactly what goes into it--no MSG is a big one.
 Quoting: Electric Moon


sounds like you have done a whole bunch of canning, even after the evil destruction of your garden.

canning meat is just as easy as vegetable, at least my mother has assured me of that. blink i haven't done that yet, but will be canning beef and chicken this coming week.

i really want to try bacon and hamburger. and butter, lots of butter.

how do you can lemon curd????????? i want to do that!!

thanks!!!
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Wow! OP, I'm impressed.
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This year I canned pickled peppers, okra and cucumbers. I can't wait to pop open a jar.
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yum!! crystalballyou will have delicious eating ahead of you!! see how she runs for your stuff!!!
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Wow! OP, I'm impressed.
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thanks, but i'm just a tiny bit of this thread. my canned stuff is awesome though!!!

worship all the contributors to this thread are helping myself and others with their knowledge.

we all need to work together to provide against who-knows-what!

i'm trying to be as well rounded in my preperations as i can.

food is the most valuable asset you can have when there is none to be had elsewhere.
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i want to give a bighugs to each person who has contributed to this thread.

knowledge is power.

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this is our canning bible. my mom was given this book as a freshman in high school in 1953.

i love this booklet!!

kerrcanbook

here's part of my pantry. we also have boxes of stuff and have other items at our farm.

 Quoting: tinygreen


Awesome job! Thanks for all the knowledge and know how!

Much love!
hf



Links on canning


[link to www.pickyourown.org]

[link to www.rural-woman.com]

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I like this sun dehydrator construction for our cold Canadian climate. I wish we had a carpenter in the family.
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So at 145-150 F, as compared to a dehydrator at 100 F requiring on average 18 hours to dehydratre, oven dehydration would be 25% faster. Am I on the right track?
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i'm hoping an expert at this will respond. this is not a skill i have yet. i need to start researching.

right now i'm waiting for my mom to feel ready to start doing peaches. she's slown down a great deal in the last year and i have to be delicate about her feelings. she has been a very strong and determined person. she has worked very hard her entire life and it's tough on her pride not to be able to do everything herself. we have worked out to be a good team though.

i can bend like the willow. flower.
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No. All decent Dehydrators have temp control and sorry but I dehydrate at 130-135F and it takes about 10 hours.
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So at 145-150 F, as compared to a dehydrator at 100 F requiring on average 18 hours to dehydratre, oven dehydration would be 25% faster. Am I on the right track?
 Quoting: redlicorice


i'm hoping an expert at this will respond. this is not a skill i have yet. i need to start researching.

right now i'm waiting for my mom to feel ready to start doing peaches. she's slown down a great deal in the last year and i have to be delicate about her feelings. she has been a very strong and determined person. she has worked very hard her entire life and it's tough on her pride not to be able to do everything herself. we have worked out to be a good team though.

i can bend like the willow. flower.
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No. All decent Dehydrators have temp control and sorry but I dehydrate at 130-135F and it takes about 10 hours.
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What's the added cost on the electrical bill for those 10 hours of drying?
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I also processed a bunch of tomatoes into sauce...good stuff. Pick up a Roma Tomato mill (or similar) and you can make sause real quick. You can water bath for this, but have to add some lemmon juice (two table spoons/qt). Or you can pressure process without the lemmon juice.
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wow, that sounds great! we have a mixed bunch of tomatoes this year. i haven't decided what to make with them yet, but tomato sauce sounds like a fabulous idea. make some with meat and some without.

great idea!! :dancingtrio:
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we had a bunch of tomatoes this year. i made sauce; and the easiest thing to do with them is roast them in the oven, skins and all, with a little olive oil on 450 degrees for 30 minutes or so and then can them like that. you can use the roasted tomatoes anytime and they aren't all watered down.
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Loads of apples again so I'm going to make apple chips. I've done them before but this year I want to try adding sugar and cinnamon.

Apple Chips
· Peel the apples, if desired. Cut the core out, using the apple corer or a knife.
· 2
Slice the apples into thin rings between 3/16 inch and 1/4 inch thick.
· 3
Add 1 tbsp. lemon juice to 1 cup of water in a large, shallow bowl.
· 4
Dip the apple slices into the water and lemon. This will prevent the apples from turning brown.
· 5
Pat the excess moisture from the apple rings with paper towels.
· 6
Lay the apple slices in a single layer in your food dehydrator, according to the manufacturer's directions.
· 7
Sprinkle the 1 tbsp. cinnamon, apple pie spice mix or sugar on top of the apple rings, if desired.
· 8
Dehydrate the apple rings for 8 to 10 hours at 135 degrees F, or until they are crispy.


I think I'm going to mix the sugar and cinnamon in a zip lock bag, add some apple slices and toss to coat and then dehydrate.
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this is our canning bible. my mom was given this book as a freshman in high school in 1953.

i love this booklet!!

kerrcanbook

here's part of my pantry. we also have boxes of stuff and have other items at our farm.

 Quoting: tinygreen


Awesome job! Thanks for all the knowlage and know how!

Much love!
hf



Links on canning


[link to www.pickyourown.org]

[link to www.rural-woman.com]
 Quoting: 11.11.11


thanks you very much. i'm still so new to all this skill. when i get something in my head that i want to do, i pursue until i get it down.

thanks to you for contributing.
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