Esoteric Christianity vs Exoteric Christianity: True Religion of Christ vs Churchianity

You don't know church history.
You don't quote a single source to support your claim that Jesus knew Qabbalah.
And I bet you never read the early church fathers who vehemently objected to your quackery, including STUDENTS OF JOHN THE APOSTLE.

... is meaning what?

Jesus was not familiar with Kabbalah; Kabbalah not yet having been formulated.

Rather, Jesus (as did John and, later, Mohammed) received the Vision of the "Son of man", referred to as the "Tree of Life" in Genesis 3:24; the same Vision which is the origin of the teaching that later came to be called the Kabbalah. (That Vision is referred to as the "Night Journey" in the Quran.)

In any case, rather than getting into an argument over "esoteric" vs. "exoteric", the fundamental difference is between the Doctrine of "resurrection" taught by Jesus as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth' and the Egyptian, Pharisaical, aPauline doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave.

If you believe in a doctrine of a physical resurrection, you are a follower of Paul and a Christian.

If you believe that the Doctrine of "resurrection" was taught by Jesus as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth', then you are a follower of the Truth taught by Jesus (and Isaiah and Daniel and Mohammed).

There is no "lukewarm", middle ground here.

It is either one or the other.

4Q529

The True Religion of Christ

When I say that the teaching of the Universal White Brotherhood is bringing a new religion to the world, it is not that I think that this teaching is an improvement on the religion that jesus gave us.

That is impossible. Jesus truly represents the summit, nothing can be more perfect than the law of love and sacrifice that he came to teach. It is only in the methods, applications and interpretations of that law that we can go further. The Gospels do not say it all; there are still so many things that are obscure and unexplained. And this is what the teaching of the Universal White Brotherhood can bring us: the explanations we still need.

Also, when I say that it is time for a universal religion, it is because Catholicism is not fully universal. Of course, the word 'catholic' means universal, but the fact remains that the Catholic religion is not universal. In the first place it is far from being practised by all human beings, and, above all, by rejecting many essential truths such as reincarnation, the laws of karma, and the primordial role of the sun in man's spiritual life, the Church has cut itself off from universal truth and become a sect. for a religion to be truly universal it must accept the whole truth and it must reach all men.

As it is, no religion in the world is founded on principles that are accepted by all human beings. Only a solar religion can be the universal religion, because all human beings accept the sun.

We all seek the sun and understand what it is. Everything else interests some but not others, suits some but not others. In fact, if there are so many different religions, it is because each one is adapted to a particular mentality. If the claim of the Catholic Church to be universal is true, if it embraces every aspect of truth, why do I never see Catholics who are truly fulfilled spiritually? A great many Buddhists are far more advanced. They have such faith in the immortality of the soul that they are capable of throwing themselves into the flames.

They have no fear of death. Whereas Christians are so timid, so lacking in courage, that they tremble at the slightest threat and scream in terror if they are in danger of death.

As I have said, a universal religion must embrace all the knowledge and all the practical methods human beings need in order to reach the Lord. When Christianity refuses to teach reincarnation it makes it impossible for people to understand God's justice. Is there any wonder that nothing makes sense to them any more? They cannot see the underlying reason for what happens to them; everything seems illogical and unfair. In the face of evil or suffering, Christians can only say, 'It is the will of God.' The amazing thing is that they consider themselves to be blameless, above reproach.

They have done nothing to bring misfortune on themselves; it is entirely the Lord's doing. But this means that God behaves without rhyme or reason, his decisions are completely arbitrary.

For centuries their refusal to believe in reincarnation has barred Christians from advancing. The doctrine of reincarnation explains everything: from one existence to the next, every cause triggers a corresponding consequence.

When we know this we know that it is no longer the Lord who is to blame for what happens to us, but we ourselves. By choosing to follow a certain path, to manifest ourselves in a certain way, it is we who are responsible for our destiny, not God. God's sublime greatness, his splendour, perfection, and justice are untouched, unsullied. Whereas if you reject reincarnation you have to put all the blame on God. It seems to me that if Christians were really concerned about the glory and perfection of God, the least they could do would be to accept reincarnation.

They are so stupid that they do not even recognize the consequences of their attitude; they do not realize that the image of God they hold up to the world is a monstrous caricature. God gave human beings free will.

He tells them, 'Do whatever you like, but remember that if you break the law you will suffer. But that does not matter, you have all eternity ahead of you. You will have plenty of time in which to repent and make reparation. I am patient.'

Take a man who is miserable because he is married to a shrew, a veritable Xanthippe, and he has no idea why he has such a wife. He thinks she must be a punishment from heaven. Not at all. It was he himself who sought her out, who chose a shrew without knowing what he was doing, and now he regrets it bitterly. Socrates never complained, he put up with everything patiently.

One day, while he was talking to a friend, Xanthippe was muttering and scolding in an upstairs room and ended by pouring a pail of slops over him. The friend was very indignant, but Socrates only remarked, 'Oh well, after the thunder comes the rain.' He was not so easily put out. He had chosen to marry Xanthippe, and thanks to her he developed great patience and
indifference in the face of criticism and insults. So my advice to you is to find a Xanthippe for yourself. Why do you want your wife to be perfect? You would only go to sleep and stop evolving if she were; but think of what progress you would make with a Xanthippe by your side. You see what excellent advice I always give you!

By refusing the reality of reincarnation the Church is portraying the Lord as a monster and a tyrant. In any case, quite apart from this, there is much to object to in the image the Church presents of God, for it has inerited the Old Testament notion of a jealous, vengeful, terrifying God, always ready to punish and chastise human beings. And I say that this view is false. God is not like that at all. Why did the Old Testament present him in this way?

The answer is that the human beings of those days were at a stage of their evolution where they needed the discipline of fear.

They needed to envisage a stern, ruthless God with whom Moses could intercede to soothe his wrath and turn him away from the destruction of his people. The truth is that God never punishes anyone; he is not concerned with punishment. He spends his time up there in the midst of song and music, banqueting in the company of his angels and archangels while divine nectar and ambrosia flow in abundance. Do you imagine that the Lord has nothing better to do than to follow human beings around day and night, writing down in his little notebook all the filthy, revolting things they do, whether openly or in secret? Poor Lord, what a job.

Think how disgusted he would be.

No, I do not believe a word of it. I think that if human beings have invented machines to record and do their calculations for them, it is because such machines already existed in nature and therefore within us also. It is these machines that record our thoughts, feelings and actions, and as soon as we overstep the mark, in whatever area, the machine cracks down on us. But it is God who punishes us. On the contrary, God is always ready to welcome us to his banquet.

Let us suppose that you are being pursued by enemies (you may remember that I spoke to you about this one day), and in order to get away from them you run and run as fast as you can until you get to heaven. And there, breathless, covered with dust, your clothes all tattered and torn, you suddently find yourself in the midst of a magnificent assembly of angels and
archangels.

Dumbfounded, you gaze at these beautiful creatures as they sing and rejoice with the Lord, who is seated in their midst. Nobody says, 'What are you doing here, you dirty ruffian? Away with you. This is no place for you.' On the contrary, as soon as he sees you the Lord says to his servants, 'Give him water to wash with, dress him in fine clothes, and let him come and share
in our banquet.' But the enemies that were pursuing you will not be allowed in. They are made to wait outside, and as the banquet lasts a long time they finally lose patience and go home. Yes, this is how it works.

Have you never realized that? You have all known days when you were overwhelmed and besieged by your inner enemies, and then you started to pray and pray and pray... and within a few minutes you had a wonderful feeling of happiness and release; your enemies had left you. You must try to understand what this image means.

Do not think that I have come to destroy the Church, not at all. It is just that I possess a light that the Church does not possess at the moment, but I am very willing to collaborate with it. In fact I have already tried to do so. I have often met priests, Dominicans and Franciscans, and others and have tried to talk to them, but I have never had much success. Oh, perhaps I succeeded with two or three of them, but not with the others. The trouble is that their minds have been so deformed by their seminary training that there is nothing anyone can do now to persuade them to accept the light of these great truths. This is why I prefer to deal with atheists, unbelievers, and anarchists; I am much more successful with them. But with the religious? My word, how rigid, bigoted, and narrow-minded they can be! I have every confidence that this will change one day, but not before they have had to endure all kinds of tribulations and been forced to reflect.

If the Lord is in the process of creating a new heaven and a new earth (and this is what the Bible tells us), why should there not also be a new religion? New in exactly the same way as heaven and earth can be new. Of course the expression is symbolic; I have already explained to you that you must not take it literally. If you did, you would have a very bad impression of the Lord and would mean that he had used second-rate materials when he built heaven and earth, and now they are rusting and wearing out. This is why he has to start all over again... and while he is rebuilding, all the inhabitants of heaven and earth are going to be out in the rain without a roof over their heads.

No, that is just nonsense. The truth is that the new heaven and new earth refer to us; it is within us that God is creating them. The new heaven is a new mentality, a new philosophy, a new point of view, a new understanding of things; This is how you should interpret this image of the new heaven and the new earth.

To understand it any other way would be to slight the Lord. It would mean that he did not know the properties of the elements that he himself created and now he finds that they are rotting and wearing out. Whereas if you interpret this image as I have shown you, the Lord's greatness, immensity, and infinite wisdom remain intact.

Of course, I know that you will not accept what I tell you, but you must at least try not to cling rigidly to your own opinions until you have made quite sure that they really correspond to the truth.

There are still a great many of you who hold obstinately to your own point of view. Instead of trying to understand what I tell you, you think to yourselves, 'Oh no, that is not true. It cannot be. It is monstrous. I know how it should be.' But there comes a time in life when you simply have to ask yourself whether your own point of view is really correct, really flawless. Unfortuneatly, so many men and women prefer to cling to their point of view, to defend it all their life long, without ever trying to find out to what extent it is realistic and true. And that is very dangerous.

Many people's lives end in disaster simply because they insist on defending their mistaken philosophy at any price. Yet those same people find it normal to go for a physical check-up from time to time. They get a doctor to examine their heart, stomach, liver, spleen, or intestines and tell them what is wrong with them, but they would never go and ask a spiritual master to
tell them what was wrong with the way they felt and understood things. They consider that in these areas they are in perfect health: their thinking is all right, they see things clearly, their judgement is impeccable, they reason perfect? The proof of their misfortunes, sorrows, and failures. Yes, and yet they continue to believe that they are impeccable.

The whole world will one day come to the Universal White Brotherhood. At the moment you do not believe me when I say this, because there are more and more new teachings and new sects - not to mention all the ancient practices that had died away and are now being revived. Every one of those groups and philosophies has some good in it, but they all lack one essential element: none of them gives priority to the necessity of living for the collectivity, for brotherhood, for universality. Their members work for themselves, for their own advancement. And does mankind benefit from all that knowledge and power? It does not.

Indeed, they themselves are often very unhappy people. So you must leave all those things alone and work only to bring peace, happiness, joy, and light to the whole world. True power and true knowledge are given to those who work unselfishly for the whole world. You will not know exactly how these gifts come, but they will come to you and dwell within you. It is when one stops thinking so much about oneself that one becomes truly formidable, because in this way one widens the circle. This is the new teaching that we are bringing to the world.

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So, is your goal here merely to write lengthy statements, or do you intend to engage in an actual discussion with people who introduce new information?

For example, that Jesus had no acquaintance with Kabbalah?

4Q529

Wow, very deep insights, thank you very much

Nothing religious or esoteric about The Way Unto The Father which Christ Jesus Brought Witness of and Gave HIS Life To Enable....

Churchianity is Religion.


Claiming to be Born-Again and Know The Father and HIS Son, are you OP? Got any witness of Ezekiel 36:26-27 as operative within your life?
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Until you surrender your life unconditionally Unto The Father, you cannot Know HIM or understand the Mysteries of Heaven.

Nothing esoteric about taking action per John 3:14.
Nothing esoteric about Coming Unto The Father.... "No man Cometh Unto The Father But By ME" John 14:6
Nothing esoteric about Trusting God with every aspect of your life.

Only God IS Worthy.
Only God Merits your complete and unconditional trust.

If you would be HIS, Now is the time to seek HIM in earnest and sincere prayer, Acknowledge Christ Jesus, Admit and Repent of your sins, Claim your share of Father's Infinite Mercy and Grace, Give HIM your life, all of it; good and bad, seeking only HIS Will for you from this moment on, and then Ask HIM to Send HIS Holy Spirit to Guide you in thought, word, and deed... HE Will if you are sincere and fully broken in your surrender.

Nothing esoteric.
Nothing to "understand".
Know WHO Christ Jesus IS?
Then, Father is THE ONE WHO Put that Knowledge upon your heart; and you were called unto The King's Wedding Feast.

Up to you to take action.

Seeking understanding? Read Matthew ch 13 and pay attention to verses 11-17 where Jesus Witnesses to the Apostles that HE Teaches using parables to confuse those who seek understanding of the mind rather than by their hearts...

Not much longer now.
If you would be HIS; time to take action and make your surrender.

Maranatha!!!

You're wrong in your statement of a "Universal white brotherhood". If you wish to really understand the teachings of christ and a Universal Brotherhood you must be open to accepting all races regardless of color or creed. To accept only those of the same color as you is no better off than the KKK. If the brotherhood you seek is comprised of only white people why has the KKK not lead you to that which you seek.

You have come close in your understandings of the esoteric teaching but have still gone far in your misinterpretation. While you may be closer to the truth than the average christian you are no closer than the average KKK member, who are far from achieving the perfection that is Christ. Only one who is pure of spirit and accepting of all will be chosen to inherit the Christ.

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indeed you are dogmatically interpreting something that is not there.

there is nothing hidden or esoteric about the gospel -- it's in plain site and easily understandable -- even children get it

it is far too easy later in life to be ever learning, and never coming to the knowledge of the truth

our Creator came to earth and died for His creation -- that is the story of the Bible. and Jesus rose from the grave -- He is alive today

all of us who believe in Him are alive with Him -- forever. there is nothing of more importance for anyone to learn, ever.

the gospel message is for EVERYBODY. there is no caste system here. and we are not seeking truth elsewhere -- we've already found Him

love rb

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the jewish people always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

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while the study of esoteric religion is of great value and interest, the OP is a retard

one need not go any further than sentence one, paragraph one:
jebus never existed, he is the SUN, and therefore could not know anything

or paragraph two sentence one:
st john - NEVER existed , he was created out of midsummer celebrations in the Baltics, who celebrated the spirit ' Jani ' (sounds like john-ny) . xtians stole the idea and said john was born on midsummer

fuktard OP, wasting your time writing bunk, and spewing lies.

op is spreading gnostic teachings like it has something to do with biblical Christianity. Gnosticism is wrong today as it was when Paul wrote Colossians against gnostics.

This is a outright lie the Kabbalah is a satanic book which teaches Magickal spells and conjuration. I have the book right here-Quote from my book,"A Magician works in a temple,the external universe as it is found. In this temple a circle is drawn upon the floor to define the limitations of the workmto create a container and to announce the nature of the great work.Upon the alter are a wand for will,a sword for reason and a pantacle which represents the body". Satanic Bullshit,this book is evil!

Yep. This "white brotherhood" is nothing new, nothing unknown, and nothing resembling truth. The apostles battled Gnosticism and other false teachings while they lived, and predicted that such false teachers would arise from within the churches after they left, scattering the flock. They succeed because they are not merely wolves, but wolves in sheep's clothing, or really sheep who became wolves. They fool many because of their having been "sowed along with the wheat" and thus claim to be the original or true faith.

But probably the most insidious of the wolves has been "churchianity", the rules-and-rituals religion. What Jesus said was that he'd be there if even just "two or three gathered" in his name-- and neither of them has to have a title or "office". He told the Samaritan woman that the time had come to stop worshiping in one place or another but "in spirit and truth", meaning no sanctuaries, pulpits, or sacred furniture. Our faith is free, it is something we live and breathe. It is plain and simple, not hidden and complex. It is received in its entirety as a gift, not earned bit by bit as a wage through many levels. It really is a relationship rather than a religion, in spite of how many people say this while practicing all the elements of religion.

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Seriously?? You want to worship a sustained thermonucler reaction? Dude.. It is a giant ball of burning gas. Nothing more, nothing less. It can do nothing for you other than what it already does (which is to provide light and heat).

This is on par with a caveman worshiping his campfire because it cooks his meat and keeps him warm.

I don't get why people waste their lives on frivolous pursuits...

Moneyanity...............whatever.....



Its all symbolic, it never happenned, its just a fable used for a teaching or two. Mary did have a nice ass which is how you make a Christian Cross btw

Christs crucifiction is the parralelism for the death of the ego. His time in the dark space (cave) is all about DMT. When you spend time time in complete darkness , your brain is flooded with Melatonin which the Pineal gland then uses to make DMT. The third eye opens. The Bible is really the journey of the fool spoken of in the Tarot, the journey of the man of knowledge or Shaman.The Egyptians used the Pyramids for the same purpose.

^^ what he said

If you look at the ancient cultures you will find the name Ra used for the Sun or God. The egyptians used Pi mathematics. Stone henge is in the shape of the Pi symbol. Even in sanskrit the Pi symbol is found. In the tribal language around Ayers rock Australia Pi is the name for the Sun.:)

The majority of "christianity" is churchianity. Christ Himself taught the Word (Bible) is coded (not to be understood by the carnal mind). Matt. 13:10-11, Matt.13:34, Mark 4:34 all state this. One can only gain understanding with God's Holy Spirit which inturn causes discernment.